Arizona Cardinals Final Projected 53 Man Roster: Take 3 & Official Prediction Thread
With just a couple of days before the big cut down day, what better way to spend the day than taking one last stab at the 53-man roster. In case you missed the first two installments (First and Second), we've been fairly accurate considering we correctly predicted Marcel Shipp getting cut but somehow how Bo Schobel making the roster. This is the last chance though so here goes:
QBs: (3) - Matt Lienart, Kurt Warner, and Brian St. Pierre
No change and I'd still try and keep Morelli for the practice squad.
RBs: (3) - Edgerrin James, JJ Arrington, Tim Hightower
No change on the roster but Chris Vincent was brought back for a reason and he looked really good against the Raiders. If he outperforms Steve Baylark then he'll win the practice squad job.
FBs: (2) - Tim Castille & Terrelle Smith
I feel like a politician flip-flopping on this one but I've finally come around to the idea of keeping both. Not many teams do but Smith is too good of a blocker and Castille is too versatille.
WRs: (5) - Fitz, Q, Early Doucet, Steve Breaston, Jerheme Urban
Adding a fullback means that one of these guys has to go so Rector's the odd man out. Lance Long is practice squad material though.
TEs: (3) - Leonard Pope, Ben Patrick, Jermane Tuman
No change again.
OL: (9) - Levi Brown, Deuce Lutui, Al Johnson, Reggie Wells, Mike Gandy, Elton Brown, Lyle Sendlein, Brandon Keith, Elliot Vallejo
Meet Elliot Vallejo. He's stood out with the second team and he's broke into my top 53. He's still practice squad eligible but I'm not sure some other team wouldn't scoop him up.
DT/NT: (2) - Gabe Watson & Alan Branch
No change. Keep in mind that Bryan Robinson is playing more NT right now.
DE: (5) - Darnell Dockett, Antonio Smith, Bryan Robinson, Calais Campbell & Kenny Iwebema
No change and I still think that Keilen Dykes will end up on the practice squad.
OLB: (4) - Chike Okeafor, Bertrand Berry, Clark Haggans & Travis LaBoy
No change here. It's a risk trying to slip Harrington through to the practice squad because he's looked pretty good for a rookie the past two games but there are just too many guys ahead of him. They try to keep him on the practice squad though.
ILB: (5) - Karlos Dansby, Gerald Hayes, Brandon Moore, Matt Stewart & Ali Highsmith
There's a serious log-jam at ILB with Beisel, Stewart, Moore and Highsmith all vying for two or three jobs. In the end, I'm going with 5 spots here and Moore gets the nod because he's versatile enough to play inside and outside. Stewart beats out Beisel because he's younger and has more starting experience. Highsmith is the youngster but I'm not risking trying to slip him through to the practice squad.
CBs: (5) - Roderick Hood, Eric Green, DRC, Ralph Brown & Micheal Adams
The only change is adding Ralph Brown back to the mix and bumping Ware to the safety spot.
FS/SS: (4) - Adrian Wilson, Antrel Rolle, Aaron Francisco & Matt Ware
Ware gets bumped to safety because I think Ralph Brown has outperformed Oliver Celestin. Dennis Keyes has made plays the past two games and he's earned himself a year on the practice squad.
Specialists: (3) - Neil Rackers, Dirk Johnson & Nathan Hodel
No change.
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There's my final 53 man roster for your Arizona Cardinals and here's your chance to make any roster predictions that you want. Who's staying and who's going? Who's a bubble guy that you really like and you hope makes the cut? How would you tweak this roster or would you just rip it up and start over? Is there enough talent and depth for this roster to win the NFC West? Now it's your turn.....
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I almost completely agree...
but I would like to see Monty Biesel make the squad. He is a soli LB and does great on special teams. I also would like to see Vincent hang around in lue of Baylark.
by boogatt66 on
Aug 27, 2008 11:53 AM MDT
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Great predictions
I like what I see. I too think that Monty will make the squad with Matt Stewart being the odd man out. Brandon Moore’s pick-up bumped him from the roster. Monty is one of the few Cards with some playoff experience (especially on defense) that could be an insight bonus near the season’s end. Morey is gone as Urban has replaced him and more so. Doucet will get some ST work. All those ILB will also form the bulk of the ST. Good call on Vallejo and Highsmith, as those guys wouldn’t survive the waiver wire.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 27, 2008 12:46 PM MDT
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Stewart vs. Beisel
That’s the one really hard decision that I had and I couldn’t see much difference in the two so I went with the younger guy. I could see Beisel beating him out though considering he’s more familiar with the defense and the coaching staff.
by cgolden on
Aug 27, 2008 1:18 PM MDT
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I would only carry1 Fullback and...
Keep Castille. His blocking has improved vastly and he is more versatile. With the sets the Cards run I don’t see them using power FB situations as much anymore. More Twin TE’s and spread formations that they have been successful at running the draw and bounce “zone blocking” plays thus far in the preseason. It complements the pass great and Beisel will contribute more on Special Teams and is a solid backup.
by boogatt66 on
Aug 27, 2008 12:49 PM MDT
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I went back and forth on this one obviously
In the end though I figured that if they had plans on cutting Smith loose they probably would have done it earlier and extend him the same courtesy that they did Shipp so he’d have time to catch on with another team. I don’t really like the idea of carrying two fullbacks either but it was the only thing that made sense to me. I’m assuming by your last sentence that Beisel would replace him and you’d carry 5 ILBs?
by cgolden on
Aug 27, 2008 1:21 PM MDT
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If Stewart can do both ILB and OLB it's kind of like carrying 4.5 at both positions right?
Just kidding, but seriously this is tough. I see what you mean about cutting him loose earlier so he could get picked up elsewhere. Either way I foresee Beisel making the team this year. Stewart or one of the FB’s is going to be the odd man out.
by boogatt66 on
Aug 27, 2008 1:30 PM MDT
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OLB & ILB
I know you were joking but that’s pretty accurate. At least a couple of those guys can play both positions so it wouldn’t be terrible to have 9 guys to fill four positions. Not to mention that those guys are normally the heart of your special teams units (as I think someone already mentioned).
by cgolden on
Aug 28, 2008 7:14 AM MDT
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Consider the cap too
T. Smith is $1.1 million against the cap? He may be gone on that basis as a million can get you a band-aid o-lineman if our center position caves in. Nick Leckey, where art thou?
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 27, 2008 1:58 PM MDT
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Band-aid
With Al Johnson out for at least game #1 and questionable for the second week and Sendlein already with a sore knee they may need that extra cash to sign someone. I’d be sick if they had to go into a game with Pat Ross as the starting center.
by cgolden on
Aug 28, 2008 7:16 AM MDT
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Pat Ross seive
I had noticed Ross with his back to the defense in Oakland a wee bit too often…meaning he was chasing the guy that flashed by him. Baylark’s poorer output inside was a direct result. Ross isn’t the answer, so look for a waiver wire acquisition at center.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 28, 2008 7:28 AM MDT
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How come there are not any haters on ROTB?
Does sbnation police crap talk hating on these fan sites or some? This is the only blog\sports report site where there is not a barrage of Cowboys fans talking smack. Are we just a well kept secret, or are there darker forces at work here cgolden?
by boogatt66 on
Aug 27, 2008 3:55 PM MDT
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Innane commentary
Do you wish they were here? I mean, I can create another account and copy/paste the same thing over and over if you’d like:
Cards suck. Bidwell is the worst owner ever. Your uniforms are gay. Your draft picks suck. Your team sucks. Fold the Cards, new franchise in LA. Cards suck and so do their fans. Go Cowboys, best team ever. Cards are the worst team in professional sports history!
Quite honestly, it’s nice to not have to sift through that shit to find something worthwhile to read from a football fan, in particular, a Cardinals fan. azcentral.com has plenty of idiots, they’re welcome to stay there.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 27, 2008 4:11 PM MDT
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I completely agree, I was just wondering if they filter content on here
It is a very refreshing break from azcentral and others.
by boogatt66 on
Aug 27, 2008 4:15 PM MDT
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No there is no filter here
One thing that we have working in our favor is that as of late April, this site was dead so I’m sure that alot of trolls haven’t found us again yet. I will say though that there less ‘trolling’ on this network then there is on a standard message board and to be quite frank about it, I’d just assume it stays that way. I’m sure that we’ll pick up some trolls as the season plays out and it’ll have to be one of the things that we monitor on a case by case basis. I see some fans on other teams boards who are respectful even if their opinion clashes with the group and it works great. There are also some guys who get banned less than a day after they create their account. Either way, we’ll get some good and bad as we grow.
by cgolden on
Aug 27, 2008 7:55 PM MDT
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slight but steady growth
The participation may be limited, but it seems to be growing steadily through TC & pre-season. I can see the growth continuing through the season, and we will start to get opposing fan’s comments on a weekly basis. This should be a good thing for the blog as long as everybody stays respectful.
by AJ BirdWatcher on
Aug 28, 2008 9:04 AM MDT
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Unfortunately...
The respectful opposing fans tend to stay out of other teams’ blogs for that very reason. It’s the argumentative/condescending types that seek out other teams’ blogs to stir up the fanbase.
Some of the “regulars” will just have to play devil’s advocate on some issues so it doesn’t seem like we’re all drinking the same kool-aid. There’s subtle enough differences of opinions already to keep things interesting as it is. Once the regular season starts, the differences of opinions will ramp up for sure.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 28, 2008 10:11 AM MDT
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doing great
I author the Pittsburgh Steelers site here on this network and I’ve been following this site’s progress. Believe me guys, the trajectory here is VERY solid. Many of our blogs took years to even get to where cgolden has it in just a few months, and that’s before mentioning that the previous blogger here was terrible and left it for dead, which means old readers probably gave up on it a long time ago.
This place will be hopping by next year. If not earlier. My site is fairly large now, but it sure wasnt after just 3 months or so, which is how long golden’s been at it. You commentors are great too. The more y’all jump in, the more others will be inclined to follow suit.
Keep it up guys. Looking good. Hope the season goes well. I’ll be around.
by Blitzburgh on
Aug 29, 2008 3:59 AM MDT
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Kent Somers' 53-man roster
I hope this doesn’t break copyright rules, but for easier comparison:
The Cardinals must cut from 75 players to 53 by Saturday afternoon. Here’s my best guess at how it goes. There are always some surprises. And just because a player makes the 53 on Saturday doesn’t mean he’ll be here Sunday. The Cardinals could pick up some players via waivers, meaning someone has to go.
OFFENSE
Quarterbacks (3 players) – Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart, Brian St. Pierre.
Rookie Anthony Morelli is cut and possibly re-signed to the practice squad.
Running backs (3) – Edgerrin James, Tim Hightower, J.J. Arrington.
Cut – Steve Baylark, Chris Vincent. Both eligible for the practice squad.
Fullbacks (2) – Tim Castille, Terrelle Smith.
I thought Smith might be in some trouble, but he’s too good a blocker.
Receivers (6) – Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Breaston, Jerheme Urban, Early Doucet, Sean Morey.
Cut – Lance Long, Jamaica Rector. Long could return to the practice squad. Morey makes it because of special teams.
Tight ends (3) — Leonard Pope, Ben Patrick, Jerame Tuman.
Cut : Alex Shor, Brent Miller.
Offensive line (9) — Mike Gandy, Reggie Wells, Al Johnson, Deuce Lutui, Levi Brown, Elton Brown, Pat Ross, Brandon Keith, Lyle Sendlein.
Cut — Keith Butler, Peter Clifford, Carlton Medder, Elliot Vallejo, Jasper Harvey. Clifford and Medder are hurt. A couple of these guys will go to the practice squad.
The Cardinals need to keep Ross, a center, because Al Johnson is out for the opener and Sendlein has a sore knee.
DEFENSE
Defensive line (7) —Darnell Dockett, Bryan Robinson, Antonio Smith, Calais Campbell, Kenny Iwebema, Gabe Watson, Alan Branch.
Cut: Jason Banks, Keilen Dykes, Joe Tafoya. Tafoya is on the bubblle. He’s a good special teams player. Banks and Dykes are practice squad candidates.
Outside linebackers (4) — Bertrand Berry, Travis LaBoy, Chike Okeafor, Clark Haggans.
Cut – Chris Harrington, but he returns to the practice squad. He’s got potential and the Cards need some youth at the position.
Inside linebackers (4) – Karlos Dansby, Gerald Hayes, Monty Beisel, Ali Highsmith.
It’s too risky to let Highsmith go. Another team could snap him up and the Cardinals need some young linebackers. It will be hard but Stewart and Moore could go. Beisel isn’t a sure thing.
Cornerbacks (4) – Rod Hood, Eric Green, Ralph Brown, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Cut – Michael Adams, Travarous Bain, DeMario Minter are practice squad candidates.
Safeties (5) – Antrel Rolle, Adrian Wilson, Aaron Francisco, Matt Ware, Oliver Celestin.
Celestin makes it because of special teams but that’s just my opinion. Dennis Keyes could go to the practice squad.
Specialists (3) – K Neil Rackers, P Dirk Johnson, LS Nathan Hodel.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 28, 2008 12:13 PM MDT
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that's pretty close
He kept 6 WR and just 4 ILB’s so he basically traded Morey for Stewart or Moore. I’d rather have a LB than a WR if we’re talking about a special teams player.
The only other real difference was he kept Celestin over Adams. Six one way-half a dozen the other.
Here’s his link to cover our behind.
by cgolden on
Aug 28, 2008 1:28 PM MDT
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Upon further review...
…I didn’t see a lot to alter my thinking on the “Fight for 53”. Pat Ross may very well make the team as he played well. There were a couple times when BSP and Morelli were under pressure I noticed he was standing by himself looking to block someone. Hmmm. Perhaps I’m still thinking like Dennis Green is still coaching, as he would put Al Johnson on IR and go with Sendlein and Ross, but I think all three centers will be kept. Vallejo goes to the PS and will get activated once Johnson is “healthy” and Ross will get cut.
It was nice to see Lance Long in significant playing time. Sadly though, he wasn’t as good as advertised. I think he dropped as many as he caught. One pass popped out into the hands of a Bronco in that aborted 4th quarter. Ugh. His punt returning was lackluster as well.
But not as lackluster as Dirk Johnson’s punting. Kick that frakker to the curb, Whiz. Denver has two solid punters that can coffin kick and boom it. One has to get cut…snag him!
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Aug 30, 2008 8:50 AM MDT
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