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ROTB War Room: Revisiting The Past

In our last two war rooms, we've evaluated key positions or groups on the opposing team. This weekWarroom_medium, we'll look at the past. We'll look over the Cardinals/Giants game that took place last year. Props to Drullin'OverDaCards for his post Tuesday, providing the information that the Cardinals haven't won on the road against the Giants since 1999. We won't go that far, only looking at the success the Giants had against us when they traveled to University of Phoenix Stadium last season. The date was November 23rd, 2008. The Giants were 9-1 heading into the game, while the Cardinals had won 7 straight at home. The first quarter featured five lead changes, and the Cardinals remained calm, despite missing an extra point and trailing at halftime. In the second half, the Cardinals weren't able to keep up with the Giants, as they were out-scored 20-17. They had a chance to tie the game, but an onside kick bounced through the hands of cornerback Ralph Brown, who later said he took his eye of the ball for a second. The Cardinals inability to stop Eli Manning from shredding their defense is what hurt their chances at winning. The Cardinals also allowed two big kick returns by Domenik Hixon, that would later lead to scores. Kurt Warner fumbled the ball twice, losing one, and threw an interception as well. Both turnovers set up touchdowns by the Giants. Next we'll take a look at what both teams were able to do successfully. 

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What worked for the Giants?

  • Despite being without injured running back Brandon Jacobs, and losing wide receiver Plaxico Burress early in the game, the Giants were able to move the ball efficiently. They amassed over 300 yards of total offense, and were 7-15 on 3rd downs.
  •  The defense held the Cardinals to 29 rushing yards for the entire game. Because of that, the Giants got pressure on Kurt Warner much of the time, forcing two turnovers out of him that resulted in scores.
  • The Giants first scoring drive worked for two reasons - they were disciplined and balanced. The first scoring drive was an 11 play, 62 yard-er, that took 6:08 minutes. Their offensive balance was key on the drive, with 6 passes and 5 runs. Of the 62 yards, only 15 came from the run, but the their willingness to run the ball kept the Cardinals on their heals. Even more important was a 4th and 1  that the Giants went for and converted late in the 1st quarter. Eli Manning was perfect on the drive, but it should be noted that Eric Green and Aaron Francisco were playing on defense, and both amounted for 5 tackles on the drive. It's clear they were targets, widely due to their poor coverage skills. The main point is the Giants took bits and pieces off the clock and the field, moving efficiently much like the Cardinals did on their opening drive last week.

What worked for the Cardinals?

  • The Cardinals were 8-14 converting 3rd downs, something they've struggled with so far this season. They face a pass defense that was torched by the New Orleans Saints last week, and the Cardinals may use the same gameplan the Saints used. Kurt Warner also threw for 351 yards, completing 61% of his passes.
  • Surprisingly, the Cardinals also played smart football against a tough Giants team. They only had 3 penalties for 29 yards, and allowed only one sack all day.
  • Derrick Ward started at running back, gaining only 69 yards on the ground for 3.5 yards per carry. Brandon Jacobs didn't play, so Ahmad Bradshaw was the secondary back. He only saw 4 carries for 9 yards, struggling to run against the Cardinals defense. They will likely see more carries from Bradshaw this Sunday.

Side Notes

The Giants may take the same approach as last year, attempting to pressure Kurt Warner and force the Cardinals either to turn the ball over, or resort to running more... Although Steve Smith and Mario Manningham should start, the Cardinals also want to focus much of their attention on Domenik Hixon. He had a big game last week, gaining over 300 total yards, and he hurt the Cardinals last year. He's a big threat to return a kick off or punt to the house, so it would be wise for the Cardinals to have an extra pair of eyes on him on special teams... Since Derrick Ward has left, Ahmad Bradshaw has taken advantage of the extra carries. He can run blazing fast, and is also a threat receiving out of the backfield. Bradshaw has 423 yards on the year with a 6.2 ypc average. Putting a quick defender on Bradshaw would be important for the Cardinals. However, he blew an important block for Manning last week, so the Cardinals may also want to bring some different looks when Bradshaw stays back to block.

Can the Cardinals overcome the Giants well-balanced offense? What should the Cardinals do differently then what they did last year?

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Maybe we should consider other options to take the pressure off of KW

Wildcat, for example? I’m not a big fan of it when teams copy the scheme, don’t really practice it, and fail miserably the one time they try it, but it can be effective if you invest some time into it, and we might have a decent group of guys to consider. We have two 3rd-down backs, Wright and LSH, who are versatile enough to be effective as blockers, receivers, or rushers. Hightower makes sense due to his hands and overall studied playstyle. Urban and Morey would be great to line up outside, and we could utilize Patrick & Byrd together, or separately. And then there’s Q.

Clearly that’s a lot of guys, and there’s the argument that it’s drudging the bottom of the roster, but implementing a few plays on top of the direct snap-dive or swing or whatever it is they did like twice last year could be useful for putting Warner out of the line-of-fire, and by playing to the strengths of some of the other guys.

The only reason my mind went to this place is because of what happens to our entire offense when the running game is bad…

by tw3kr on Oct 23, 2009 11:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

What is it called when Q runs it?

The pahokee? They even have it on Madden

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Oct 24, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, lol

I have yet to have any success out of it… but that doesn’t mean we can’t IRL!

by tw3kr on Oct 24, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It works for me on Madden

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Oct 25, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has worked for me every once in awhile.

Sometimes the play does not work all that great because of the blocking but when the o-line does their job Q has broken a few for touchdowns.

by Pyromnc on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will keep this in mind.

Wish the new batch of Madden games had global substitutions, it would be fun to play around with that formation. But nooooo…

by tw3kr on Oct 27, 2009 1:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...

The best way I’ve heard of to think about the “Wildcat” offense is to rank your BEST players on offense. In no particular order, our 4 best players Fitz, Warner, Q & Hightower. Involving the 4 of them in one play in some way or another is the most effective way to move the ball.

Obviously Warner isn’t going to run or catch the ball, so taking the ball out of his hands as a QB isn’t the best option. Maybe a throwback pass or something like that could work, but splitting him out or not having him on the field at all doesn’t put our best players on the field. The most successful team with the Wildcat is Miami. They don’t have a QB that has an MVP trophy and a Super Bowl ring so they were kind of forced to “think outside the box”.

Play smart football and the Cards will do well. They’d be better off figuring out how to stop the pre-snap penalties and blitz pickups than spending time on gimmick formations.

by CaliforniaCardFan on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

The idea is to use it as an alternative run-game, to take pressure off of Kurt, maybe catch opponents napping… Whether you think it’s a gimmick or not, it’s still crazy effective in Miami. Obviously I don’t really expect it to happen, was just thinking it might be something worth trying to implement. The biggest obstacle would be the fact that Miami can also run the ball out of their base formations, another indication we probably shouldn’t bother.

I’m sure they’ll be spending plenty of time on penalties and blitzes either way =)

by tw3kr on Oct 24, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The dolphins actually tossed the ball back to Pennington in a Wildcat play

And he threw for a touchdown.

Maybe we could try something like that.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Oct 25, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be some nice trickery.

I would love to see them try something like that with Boldin. He used to play QB, so I think it could work with him and I do not think most teams would expect it.

by Pyromnc on Oct 25, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, you know, Antrel Rolle

Hah, didn’t see that coming!

But yeah, this is what I am referring to =D

by tw3kr on Oct 27, 2009 1:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs


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