Kurt Warner didn’t lose the game for the Cardinals on Sunday. The Defense couldn’t tackle, couldn’t stop the run, and only 2 of the INT’s were completely Kurt’s fault. Warner definitely gives us the best chance to win this year, and while I think Leinart is the long term QB, until Warner is the reason we are losing games, he should and will be the starter.
A QB change at this point (while in 1st place mind you) would do more to throw off the team as anything else.

The biggest problem the Cardinals have is that they throw the ball almost 70% of the time. Every team in the league would have a hard time throwing when the other defense knows it’s coming. What the cards should do is put an emphasis on runniong the ball 30-35 times a game, and let Beanie and Hightower take the pressure off of Warner. This will open up the play action, and allow more big plays, while giving the defense more time to rest in between series. This team can definitely run the ball if they put the focus on it. Look what happened in the playoffs last season when we put the emphasis on running the ball. it forced opposing defenses to adjust and allowed the Cardinals to take advantage of mismatches in defensive personel and alignment.

Just to let you guys know that we are in first place in probably the worst division in the NFL. There’s not another division you can go 9-7 and still make the playoffs. Are you guys just planning on getting to the playoffs and just losing, because Warner playing the way he’s playing now will probably throw 5 or 6 picks against the Vikings or Saints! And we’ll be out of the playoffs real quick. And only two balls were tipped for int’s 3 were his fault and he also had a lost fumble – 6 TO’s that ridiculous for a starter QB in the NFL. And if wouldn’t throw off the team because it would show that team that these coaches mean business and getting back to the super bowl is the main priority (and it doesn’t matter how they get there), and to not just being content with being a first round exit in the playoffs. Can you honestly say if we played the Saints right now first round we would win? It would probably be 42-17, if that – The Saints winning of course.

complete drivel … take Warner and the Cards lightly at your peril, they showed last year what ‘the worst playoff team in history’ can do.

As far as Leinart, hes had more than a few shots to prove hes ready, and hes not … Whiz has said from the time he came here that he is going to play the guys that give him the best chance to win now, and its painfully obvious to anyone paying attention that that is Warner.

seriously bro, you’re just hatin’

No question Kurt Warner is waaaaay to happy about his relationship with god, and his wife is a bit scary … but on the field he has the respect of every coach and defense in the league.

not that I don’t want to see what Matt can do, but as someone else mentioned earlier we are 1st place in our division. That’s not usually the best time to bench your starting QB. If Warner throws 5 picks against the Bears I will probably be campaining for Leinart more than anyone, but for now i say let the grey beard redeem himself….. you know Carolina had been planning for this game for a long time.

Let’s face it we just lost to the Panthers.

So I guess the Eagles should shut it down for the rest of the season too since they lost to the Raiders.

(look what happend with Bledsoe and Brady)

I simply don’t get it. KW has always been a QB who will have a terrible game or two throughout the course of a full season. Did we bench him after the Jets, Eagles or Vikings game last year? How did that work out for us? Decisions in this league aren’t made on a one game basis.

I don’t care what happend last year and if you ever played or coached football you know that. Everyone sounds like a bunch of girls from “He’s just not that into you” making up all these excuses for your man (Warner). It’s ridiculous! And also pathetic that we all give him a crap game and then say he always has a bad game and then comes back strong. Did we all forget this is the NFL? Not some flag league that who cares if we lose a game here or there. After last year they should of picked up right where they left off. But they didn’t because Warner had ANOTHER CRAP GAME against San Francisco in the opener, oh well wait let me hear all the girl excuses on why it wasn’t Warner’s fault!

Listen I have played as long as I could through college and after that and have been coaching college football every since, and when a guy is playing this bad I don’t care if it’s Joe Montana you pull him. Because lets face and be serious it hasn’t just been one game for Warner this season. And when you do this it does a couple things, first – it brings another facet to your team with a different, fresh QB and that could either work for you or not, second – it could light a fire in the QB that just got pulled and now will do anything for another shot and when he gets it, he’ll make the best of it, and third – the second string QB could take over and never look back and your team could get to the pinnacle of their season. Where is the negative aspect of this move?

So I say put in Matt. Since we are in first place what do we have to lose! If we lose another game who cares then put Warner back in, it really seems that you guys don’t care if we lose a game here or there anyway. But what If we put him in and we kill the Bears than what – oh I know what all the girls commenting here would say " Kurt would’ve done the same thing!" Grow up and finally face reality. Last year was a cinderella season for Kurt, his last hoorah! And yeah he was a very successful QB, but he’s just done now and that’s life. It’s happens to the best of them. We just have to realize it before it’s too late. If he stays in don’t say I didn’t tell you so. I guess he really does have to have another 4 or 5 pick game, get sacked a whole bunch (well that happens all the time and it’s not all the lines fault when your QB probably runs a 6 second 40), for everyone to say he’s done and it’s not just his alloted 1 mess up game a year. So I guess we’ll see the outcome after Sunday.

QB’s are the exception and when CB gets beat deep continously, like the continous bad play of Warner yeah they do get benched. If a running back keeps fumbling he does get benched, do you not watch football. Someone can’t continously keep doing something, and that’s how I feel Warner is playing – continously bad! But I guess you don’t see it that way. IT’S EVERYONE ONE ELSE FAULT JUST LIKE I THOUGHT YOU WOULD SAY!

logic fail

I’m speaking the truth with the “He Just Not That Into You” and “girls” remarks because that’s exactly what it sounds like – Denial! If peopel don’t like it, I don’t care. It’s my opinion. And why doesn’t anyone ever answer any of my direct questions? Does what happen in the past, last year 5, 6, or 7 years ago in the NFL really matter? And also this is what drives me crazy, why are people so mediocre? Instead of trying to win as many games possible people are saying if we lose and don’t make the playoffs then no big deal we’ll just put Leinart in next year! That’s a loser mentality, not a winner mentality! Do you think the Saints, Colts, Vikings, Broncos, and Patriots all the elite teams in the NFL right now (not last year) are thinking "Hey if we drop a couple games here or there, it’s NO BIG DEAL! Yeah right! They don’t think of any their games like that. Why are WE! Everyone is so confident in Warner, it’s safe to say that if Warner stays at QB this season the Cardinals wil not, I REPEAT WILL NOT MAKE IT BACK TO THE SUPER BOWL. And mark my words on that!

Yeah the picks might be skewed, but the TD’s aren’t! 11 TD’s with the best receiving core in the NFL. That’s a joke. People don’t remember Leinart didn’t have this developed receiving core and defense to back him up, and they still were in the game with teams that were all decided by 3 points or less.

And maybe a quick breakdown of how to run a spell checker.

Arizona Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
 K. Warner 22 32 261 68.8 8.2 1 5 5 0 132.9
 M. Leinart 0 1 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 1 0.0

… I take it Matt should have stayed in the game in your opinion?

One bad game and you even consider benching the guy who led this team to the superbowl? Sigh @ knee jerk reactions. After todays game, alot of people just ate crow in this thread, and it puts a big smile on my face.

Go cards..

I think Warner just put this argument to rest. Let’s try to avoid any more panic fire in the near future.

So Warner played good against a depleted high school secondary! WOW! That’s exactly what Warner can still do, he’s done playing good against a real defense. So when he has the opportunity to beat a team playing bad he does a good job at that. The annoying thing with you guys is that if Warner would played the way he has playing all season, yesterday everyone would’ve say we need to put Leinart in, but since he had one good game against a horrible defense – everyone starts saying “and I was the one sticking behind Warner and we were defending Warner” really you guys are a joke. Guarantee you would’ve wanted to pull Warner if they would of got beat by the Bears.

But you’ll stay all over Warner’s jock for a few more weeks because they don’t play anyone till Minnesota and then when they play a real team with a real experienced proven WINNER and defense- then you’ll see what a older, more productive QB looks like. Can you imagine Favre with Warner receiving core? Even with him at 40 no one would every stop him. What do you think Jaren Allen is going to do to Warner? Hmmmm. I’m guessing if he sacked Aaron Rodgers about 4 or 5 times that’s like 8 in Warner football. So you guys can hold your head up high after this win and think that your all right, but I know that when Warner faces a real team he will blow the game with a interception or get sacked on the last play of the game like he always does – remember San Fran, and who could forget the Super Bowl when he couldn’t even throw the ball up to Fitz in the end zone to give him a chance at making a play). So we’ll see.

And I’m not leaving because Warner will fall apart this season or get hurt and when he does and Matt comes in, guess who you’ll all be defending all of a sudden!

Bouncing back against a horrible team isn’t necessarily bouncing back. I wish they would of played a good team week so all you guys wouldn’t have this stupid concept of him having one bad game and then bouncing back. What if he has two bad games in a roll, just leave him in – He’ll bounce back! So Warner does no wrong, huh? Well I guess it’s not his fault that he can’t move. My point exactly about Jared Allen and the last play of the Super Bowl, doesn’t it frustrate you as a fan, cause I sure know it does as a coach – when a QB cannot even elude one defensive player ever. Normally, when there is a last play of the game most teams will play a deep prevent even with there backers falling back – but do teams do that against Warner? Heck no, they bring it, because they know he can’t buy any time and even side step a defender and he’ll have to use that great quick release of his and get rid of it quick or get sacked – and this is exactly what the defense wants a quick throw on the last play of the game or a sack – and as long as Warner is the QB that’s exactly what will happen. So what kind of burden does it put on the offensive line to know that they have to block perfect every game, every play, because if one guy gets in, it’s a sack. And I think you guys are going to need professional help when Warner is gone, because you can’t take any criticism about your great, old QB.

Look what he has done against the good defenses according to your NFL.com stats. Against San Fran, Indy, and Carolina – 4td’s, 9 int’s and 9 sacks and 2 lost fumbles(and takeaway 2 of the int’s because I know that everyone is going to say that they weren’t his fault – so big deal now he has 7). So I’m glad that you guys are so happy that he plays good against the crappy teams, cause he sure buckles down against the pressure when he plays the good teams. And what kind of teams do you play in the playoffs, not STL, SEA, or CHI, too bad for Warner. And those are your NFL.com stats!

Because we have a bet on.

I hope you haven’t forgotten yet. Above league average = HOF acceptance speech from you.

The numbers are looking pretty good for me right now.

Because I can’t wait for the fall of Warner. And quid pro quo, your way off and you do not know how to evaluate a QB at all. Matt does not throw from his hip at all, your a joke and the out is one of his strongest attributes, when in doubt just run an out! And he’ll complete because he has great anticipation and timing. Warner has a quick release but his slowness really outweights any of his strengths now. I’m calling them losing to St. Louis his old team, they were getting whipped by Seattle at one point that’s ridiculous! I can’t wait till everyone is all on Matt’s jock next year, after old man Warner finally loses a hip. Whiz might of said something right at the beginning of training camp about Matt, but after the Green Bay game during the preseason this year he clearly stated that Matt was ready. And one might say well it’s the preseason, well it was the same defense that Warner was playing against and couldn’t do anything against. Matt came in when they were losing 38-7 and the final was 44-37. And they would of won 39-37 if Doucet would of caught that gift wrapped fade that Matt threw him, instead they kicked an onside and they ran it back. So after that game everyone knew that Matt was ready – 346 yards and 3 touchdowns in one half. You’ll never see an average QB in the NFL do that, even in a preseason game. He’s going to be great and if you want to trade him, the cardinals will be just like the Chargers with Drew Brees – so go ahead and trade him and see what happens. It’s your lost! Not Matt’s, he could start on many NFL teams right now, but he knows that when his chance comes (which will be soon, cause the old man can go down on any play you know that) he’ll ready because he wants his chance to throw to the best receiving core in the NFL only if the defense can hold up next year – they’ll have another chance for a run to the super bowl not just win the division and get smashed in the playoffs! And your Not For Long saying is great for Warner, because it won’t be long before he is watching Matt tear up the league! Mark my words.

And like I said before what has Warner done against good defenses? You talk about his stats for his last two games against two crappy teams! A good college QB could put up good numbers on those defenses! I wouldn’t be to happy about those games. Read my above posting about defenses (good defenses).

THE CARDINALS WILL NEVER WILL A SUPER BOWL!!! RIGHT THAT DOWN OR ARGUE THAT!

And I don’t care whether he is considered a winner or loser. I’m worried about the team this year and if we try to stick with him next then that’s two years we don’t have a shot at the super bowl. I could careless what people think about him after he’s done.

without first making it to the playoffs. Kurt Warner led the Cardinals to the playoffs last year, and he is well on his way to leading them to the playoffs again this year. Once the playoffs start, it’s anyone’s ball game.

Say what you want js10jj, but fact is and will remain that the team doesn’t believe Leinart gives them a better chance to win in the playoffs than Warner does. And throwing for a bunch of yards in a pre-season game against 3rd and 4th stringers doesn’t give Leinart any credibility.

Throwing for a bunch of yards against horrible teams in the NFL doesn’t give Warner any credibility either! And you or me could probably lead the cardinals to the best record/playoffs in the weakest division in football. No credibility there either. And that’s the truth!

I tell my employees all the time that you can’t rationalize with irrational people. You my friend, are irrational, and I’m wasting my time trying to rationalize with you.

You have one opinion, the rest of us have another. As far as i’m concerned, this conversation is over. Like it or not, we’ll just have to let the Cardinals staff determine who is the better QB right now, and see what happens when the playoffs roll around.

Comparing last season to this season through week 11 Warner has:

The same amount of touchdowns, 20

2 more turnovers this season, should be one more but a fumble was credited to him rather than Beanie

About 400 less passing yards

Similar completion percentage at 67.5

A similar QB rating a 94.4

and oh yea, the same 7-3 win loss record.

That was such sissy play calling in that game. And in case you forgot Matt doesn’t call the plays. They were basically trying to lose that game. Third and 9 and running the ball, I’ll tell you what I’m a little more scared of Warner throwing the ball down the field late in the game, he has a rep for throwing picks at the worst time. And Matt has yet to show that characteristic of his game. The one third and long they let him throw he completed a 20 yard pass to Fitz for a first down under a lot of pressure and to a big hit (and didn’t have to come out of the game – lol). So if they needed to get aggressive and throw the ball, I have confidence that the ball would be thrown pretty accurate – if they catch it that’s another thing. But he’ll be ready, mark my words Andrew602, when your all over his jock talking about how good Matt is. But I know you just out of spite you’ll never say anything good about Matt. When he’s he future whether you like it or not!