Post Game Reaction: Kurt Warner Has Ice Water in Veins, Cardinals win 41-21
by Andrew602 on Nov 8, 2009 6:34 PM MST
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The headline should say it all - Kurt Warner and the Cardinals continue to roll on the road. They've now won four straight road games, defeating quality opponents at that. Kurt Warner is a cold blooded quarterback, as he's dismantled teams and played significantly better in opposing teams stadiums this year. The defense did what they had to do and if it weren't for a Matt Leinart interception, the Bears may have only scored 14 points. We'll break down the game more during the week but for now let's look at some positives and the few negatives.
The Positives
- Kurt Warner dominated the Bears defense, scoring 4 out of his 5 touchdowns in his first half. I won't give any names, but I'm thinking he might have seen some of the negativity on this site. Kurt Warner showed that he can surely bounce back from a bad game, and lead this team on the road once again.
- The running game did their job and produced solid numbers against the Bears defense. They amassed 182 rushing yards on the ground, making it easily their season high. The combination of Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower are proving to be successful.
- Aside from the Matt Leinart turnover, the Cardinals played virtually mistake free and only committed 2 penalties for 15 yards. This kind of football is something the Cardinals need to continue the rest of the season.
- The defense only allowed 70 rushing yards, a number that is sure to lower their defensive average.
- The 49ers lost to the Titans, making that four straight losses and dropping their record to 3-5. The Cardinals also get to return home to face the lowly Seahawks next Sunday.
The Negatives
- Matt Leinart had one opportunity to play a significant amount of time and blew it. He had one pass attempt that was picked off and would later set up a Bears touchdown.
- The Cardinals pass defense allowed 369 passing yards, a number that can be misleading due to the Bears lack of a rushing game. The Cardinals will need to buckle their pass defense down with Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers coming to Arizona later in the year.
- Anquan Boldindidn't suit up for the game, a choice that was apparently not his. He stated after the game that he was warming up on the field and returned to the locker room to find his stuff gone. He stated he was never told he wouldn't play today, and that nobody was "man enough" to tell him. Whether or not he was treated fairly, those are never words you want to hear from one of your star players.
- Tight end coverage continues to be a problem. The Cardinals already have an aging linebacking corps, and continue to get hurt by good receiving tight ends. Greg Olsen had three receiving touchdowns, easily a career high.
Final Thought
One thing's for sure, and that's how easy it is to write about the Cardinals after a good win. They dominated for the most part of the game, and are continuing to improve in all fazes of the game. I'm sure I speak for many when I say, can the Cardinals play all of their games on the road? What are your thoughts on the game?
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Loved Whiz in the post-game presser
“We didn’t let ’em off the hook.” Awesome.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story.
-Barney Stinson
by Red Reign on Nov 8, 2009 6:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Leinart.
He shouldn’t have thrown that pass, they should have had him do some short passes and screens first. But that is just a confidence killer, and he needs to prove that he can play when he gets the chance. I still think he will be good when Warner retires, but he needs to instill some confidence in the coaches.
As for the rest of the game, it was a good win. Kurt made up for last week, and if we can keep this kind of run/pass balance the Cards will be even tougher to beat.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 8, 2009 7:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't
They had him throw to the best receiver in the NFL, and he messed up badly on it. He threw it towards the sideline on a deep post, a sure way to get picked off. Had he thrown it toward the middle of the field like he was supposed to, we would be talking about a great pass/catch and possibly and good TD drive by the backup qb.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
by dima1109 on Nov 8, 2009 7:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Leinart
That one play demonstrates that Lienart is not the future of this team at QB IMO. If Warner is hurt and out for a protracted period this team is in serious trouble. That play could have had an effect on the outcome of the game. Lucky this was the Bears and not a more competent team.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it was a bad throw.
But like I said I think he is still good and when he gets a chance to take over he will probably play well.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, was just one throw.
Cannot really judge him after 1 throw and the fact that he really has not had any playing time at all this season.
by Pyromnc on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He will get the oppurtunity again
Not that he hasn’t already had oppurtunities THIS (Jacksonville game) season on the field. Again, I am not here to bash or play cheerleader for Leinart. If you want to be objective, which I do; then go by what you see on the film.
Anyway it’s a moot point. He was pulled and Warner was re-inserted. I think that says it all.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 5:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's looked good at times and then other times not so good.
I think with steady playing time he would be better, just a personal opinion. I do not know for sure that he will be good but I still am confident that he can be good. Only time will tell I guess.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just One Throw
More PT and he will show that he deserves to be the future starter
- Never go in against a sicilian when DEATH is on the line!
by Sundevil33 on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
okefers sack
Should of gone to campbell I am finally watching the game and it clearly was Campbell who brought him down
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 7:27 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
DRC
Is having a great game
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 7:37 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
they didnt really
Use play action pass very much
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 7:40 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
thank goodness for DVR
I worked from 6 to 6 so I missed the game and now I can watch it over and analyze the game
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
We need to work on defending the screen pass
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 7:44 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Nice win, yes,
but there is still a glaring fault with the Cardinals, their inability to be able to get first downs with their running game consistently and close out games. We know we can pass, big deal. We are like the Golden State Warriors in the past two years, get out to massive leads but let the opponent back in games.
Also, every time Beanie is on the field, I root like mad for him to keep having good runs so Whiz has more reasons to use him more often. I know Hightower is a good runner, maybe better than Wells at this point, but having him on the field is a temptation for Warner to go to dumpoffs and short pass gains. Beanie can barely do anything but run, but he is pretty darn good at it.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
by dima1109 on Nov 8, 2009 7:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
He is making great blocks in pass protection
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 8:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dan kredier is blowing people up for huge blocks
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Nov 8, 2009 8:01 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
other than the 1st drive of the 2nd half
the play calling became too conservative. We were moving the ball and able to score at will (6 straight drives). then it was run with 2 Te’s on 1st down , run on 2nd down, short throw on 3rd down, punt.
That’s how teams get back into the game. It happened this year against Jax, against Houston, and today (also against Philly in the championship game).
It’s like Whiz is trying to run out the clock at the 10 minute mark of the 3rd quarter.
we should have have put up another 2 TD’s today. I know I sound like I’m complaining, but there’s nothing wrong with running up the score every now and then.
Other than that—Great win today.
Go Cards!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 8, 2009 8:08 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Whisenhunt
I agree that Whisenhunt goes conservative too quickly and it has almost cost a few games. Also, what is the point of putting in Leinart before the game is locked up? If you are going to use him at that stage of the game, only short screens are called for, not long routes when he is coming in cold off the bench. Unfortunately, Leinart seems to have a propensity for lofting balls up with not much behind them, especially when he is under any kind of pressure. The first ball he threw could have been picked off also. Now his confidence may be affected. Whisenhunt is a good coach, but he needs to modify his approach to preserving big leads.
by BPaul on Nov 9, 2009 8:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Playcalling did not seem all that different in the second half.
Plays just did not develop like they did in the first half. I though Whiz called his best game as a play caller since he has come to Arizona.
Welcome to ROTB by the way.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Whiz running out the clock; Leinart
I agree that it looks like Whiz starts trying to run out the clock way to early in the game when they get a “comfortable” lead. I think Whiz is very good with time management but trying to run out the clock with two quarters remaining in the game is too dangerous and it does appear to me that he has a habit of this in certain games.
I’m a diehard Warner fan and have been since he was with the Rams. He’s the reason I follow the Cards. With that said, I think Leinart will be a very good QB in the NFL someday after he gets a lot more reps. IMO, yesterday’s thrown interception by Leinart is no indication whatsoever in terms of what kind of QB he will become.
by RWSCPACMA on Nov 9, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Leinart
I agree it is very unfair to judge Leinart based on this brief appearance. He shouldn’t be put in the position of coming in and having to be perfect, then being removed when something goes wrong. Also agree that Whiz is a good play-caller. First half certainly proved that. In second half Bears seemed to be jamming the line, assuming Cardinals would run the ball to use the clock, which should have opened some short passes out of backfield. But agree that execution in second half wasn’t as consistent.
by BPaul on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN
Sure we beat them by twenty, but this was dangerously close to becoming a typical Cards game where we get up by several scores, get complacent, let a team back in… and then hang on for dear life! They broke away from the blowout (something I never see happen with a Cards game) to show coverage of the Bucs/Packers, but if I’m not mistaken, if it weren’t for a timely interception, we could have been looking at only being up 6 with plenty of time left on the clock? They have to be more consistant with finishing the game strong… that being said LOVED THE WIN!!
- Never go in against a sicilian when DEATH is on the line!
by Sundevil33 on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly I didn’t get to see it…I’ll have to snag a rip from TYT. But I like what I see from the stats :)
by squeeb on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals should have kept QB Tyler Palko.
Im a New Yorker I love the Cardinals game and often travel to Arizona.I watched this quarterback play his heart out (Tyler Palko) in the preseason.He got up and down the field in a hurry,eluded the rush except against the Broncos which wasnt really his fault though.He was certainly more deserving than Leinart and or St.Pierre.It was a bad move to let both Palko and Lance Long go they were great and def. loved by the fans.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 7:42 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I miss Palko a little, too
But not Long.
by tw3kr on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A few observations on the offense
The Cards OL mauled and manhandled the Bears defensive front with a few exceptions during the game. This allowed Warner all day to find WR’s and find them he did. Warner showed particularly good movement within the pocket when sensing pressure. Very good performance from Warner.
The WR play was very good and the Bears DB’s were over matched paticularly Tillman in man coverage. I’m stunned that Tillman didn’t get help from a safety in this game after he had gotten torched so often early. Poor coaching right there.
Wells is starting to consistently show why he was drafted were he was drafted. He ran down hill with power and showed a real burst once he got to the second level. He needs more carries to develop better chemistry with OL. Very good game by Wells. Hightower had his best game as a runner also.
Nice to see Doucet make a contribution and Urban relegated to 4th slot.
Good gameplan by the coaching staff of establishing the run game and letting everything else flow from that.
602, it is very interesting that you would write on Boldin “whether or not he was treated fairly”. Umm. I find this absolutletly fascinating indeed. It is obvious that Boldin is not on the same page with this staff and manangement. I don’t think that there can be any real debate about that. 95% of the fan base has soured on Boldin and I don’t think that there is any real debate about that either. The team is 5-1 without Boldin. This team is clearly a better team without Boldin as the wins and stats suggests. Boldin should have been dealt in the off-season. Who needs a distraction. Why not cut Boldin ? I just don’t think that Boldin is the type of player that the manangement want moving forward.
Given that Boldin has been a model citizen, a good “soldier” why the blow-up now? Clearly there is a comminication issue here and I don’t think it will be resolved until Boldin is out and no longer a Cardinal.
Yes I know the coach has to be given the benefit of the doubt. After all it is protocall right ?
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 7:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think Q is gone after this season.
That was not the time nor the place to gripe about not getting to play and saying his coach is not a man. the reality is Whiz waited till the deadline to place Q on the inactive list. The equipment manager saw this before Whiz had a chance to tell Q and he cleared out Q’s locker. Whiz then talked to Q, something Q neglected to say, and then he pouted on the sideline. Even some teammates over heard him say these things and they were not happy.
I think this is the last season Q is here in Arizona.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you are saying is
Boldin was not told by Whisenhunt that he wouldn’t be playing and found out after re-entering the lockeroom and finding the gear removed the locker. Full disclousure here. I wanted Boldin to sit too.
My point is this. It should have been handle differently and was not. Poor communication right there by Whisenhunt. Men communicate period. I forgot. No criticizing the Coaching staff.
As for Boldins last year in Arizona. I think the cord should be cut now. This team is Championship calibre without Q. THEY HAVE THE WEAPONS THEY NEED.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 8:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I said Whiz did tell Q after his locker was cleaned out.
Whiz made a point of saying in his press conference that he talked to Q before game time. Q acted like he had not been talked to at all.
Whiz did have poor communication but it was not entirely his fault either. As I said above the equipment manager cleaned out Q’s locker before Whiz had a chance to say something.
Both parties are to blame here, Q and Whiz. Whiz for not getting to Q sooner, although Whiz has more important things to worry about like winning a game. Q for not keeping his mouth shut.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin is like Scottie Pippen to Jordan or in this case Fitz.The Cards need him a lot of talk last year when the Cards beat the Panthers without him that they didnt need him.Without Anquans breakaway touchdown against the Falcons the Cardinals would have been eliminated in the 1at round i was at the game it was tight.The Cards need a bully wide receiver to tangle with the 49ers and lets not forget how big Q plays against the Giants and thats how the Cards moved the chains on 3rd down.He is needed without Q at this time would only get you sure wins in some games not all.To think he is not needed is the type of gamble the Ravens took when they let go of kicker Matt Stover and now the clown they have kicking for them cost them several games including one against the Vikes because he cant put and 38 yarder in,one person makes a huge difference Larry knows Q is needed big time.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 8:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cannot really argue the point that they would have lost the Falcons game with out Boldin. The Cardinals would have had a completely different game plan if Boldin did not play, making the whole game a brand new game since the Falcons would have had a different game play also. Q is good, there is not doubt about that but there is no arguing the fact that they are 5-1 without him going back to the beginning of last season. They seem to be fine without him.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:43 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not trying to take away what Q has done for us cause he has done a lot and there are games that he has won for us, but I think we are better off now without him.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like we're dealing with Larry Johnson here
Cutting Q makes zero sense. At all.
If nothing more, you throw him on IR and deal him after the season is over…
by tw3kr on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
*Not that I'm suggesting that, I think it's crazy
But it makes slightly more sense than parting ways right now.
As long as he’s not gimping around out there, it’s hard to complain about putting Boldin on the field. Players are going to get upset, it happens. He’s been doing better this year by all accounts.
by tw3kr on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was Q I would be mad too
They should have just told him right away, he doesn’t deserve to find out he isn’t playing like that.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Q was is upset...
Because he is missing PT. I wouldn’t doubt if he is upset because he had an agreement on an extension based on PT and/or production.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Nov 9, 2009 8:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
One way to make sure a player does not reach certain incentive levels is to minimize playing time and or snaps. This is a more common practice than fans realize and causes all kinds of problems especially if the player gets vocal about it. Sounds familiar does it not.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams with a 4 man front that can get at Warner are our kryptonite
Jared Allen will be setting up a tent in our back field.
by badmatty53 on Nov 9, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Four man pressure along with 7 dropping into coverage causes the gears to grind in Warners head. Completly agree 53. You had to bring up that potential/future nightmare.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying because,
We torch teams that can’t bring that kind of pressure, and seem to lose to the teams that can. Main reason for this victory in my mind. Now if we can establish a run like we did yesterday against the Vikings (GIANT?) that could defuse their defensive productivity in that respect.
by badmatty53 on Nov 9, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Swing pass
The swing pass to the flat to Wells will be effective agaisnt that pass rush. That’s assumming Wells has secured the starting RB position.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And as long as nobody called Peppers is in the vicinity!
by CardsIrish on Nov 9, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers and Feeney
No question that a dominant guy like Feeney or Peppers on the outside really messes things up, since Gandy cannot handle them one on one. I’ve wondered why no double teams on those guys. If it buys Warner a second or two it is usually enough, even if it takes a potential receiver out of the mix. Could be a good reason why this wouldn’t work, just asking.
by BPaul on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll call it what is
A poor coaching decision and arrogance to leave players who are as limited in space and unathlectic as both Gandy and Brown are. The top DE’s will own these guys without TE help or a chip block from Hightower. Neither of these guys have demonstrated the ability to handle bull or speed rushers off the edge. They both too often play with poor technique and that just compounds the problem.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 10, 2009 8:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Anquan Boldin
Even though I agree Anquan should have just kept quiet everyone would feel the same way if no one told you that when you returned back to the locker room and see it cleaned out and your helmet and jerseys not there theres going to be problems.As a athlete thats like being told as a little kid sorry you cant play with us, a feeling no one wants to feel even if your hurt.They let Anquan play a week after shattering his face against the Jets if someone expects me to believe they wont play him for an ankle sprain you have another thing coming.The Cards should stop messin with Q and pay and play him.The man is saying i want to play and the fans are paying him put him out there dude!
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the analogy Lyoyd Anthony
It is a better and more simpler expression of my thoughts. All indicators point to a divorce. This is an issue that didn’t have to be if he was traded or cut.
Whisenhunt has a very difficult time speaking positive about Boldin at anytime. Heard Whisenhunt on Siruis NFL Radio saturday. He was not asked and he did not indicate Boldin would be sitting out the game. As a matter of fact the host had the opinion that Boldin would be playing and thus increasing the Cards chance to win.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin missed 3 weeks after that injury (including a bye week) not one week.
The man is saying he wants to play because it is affecting that big contract he wants. I guarantee you that if Q had a big contract then non of those comments come out yesterday but because he does not have his money yet he is going to piss and moan about everything.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sept. 28 he was hurt against the Jets he underwent surgery on Oct. 2, told by doctors the fractures needed six-to-eight weeks to heal. He was back in the lineup for an Oct. 26 contest at the Carolina Panthers.He only missed two games bye week not inclusive.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 8:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
“They let Anquan play a week after shattering his face against the Jets” that is what you said regarding his face injury. I commented to that. I do not know if he would have played that Bye week but regardless he had 3 weeks to heal after the injury.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I did say he was out a week he was actually out just two weeks missing only two games a small mistake not a big deal.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He had 3 weeks to heal till that Carolina game, that bye counts. he might or might not have played if there was a game instead of a bye there but it was there so technically it was 3 weeks to heal from that injury.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin play less than Fitz and stats are about the same.
It also adds to my point if Boldin missed all these games maybe four that would be Fitz played four more games than Boldin and Boldin still received more than 1000 receving yards and as many touchdowns as Fitz that just shows how much of a beast he is.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Q has played 3 more games than Fitz. He has 300 more receiving yards, about 55 more receptions, but has 12 less touchdowns.
The only reason Q’s numbers are better is because he had a much better rookie season than Fitz.
Q: 101 receptions for 1377 yards and 8 touchdowns.
Fitz: 58 receptions for 780 yards and 8 touchdowns.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I misread your point.
If Boldin had playing in the 17 games missed you probably would be right about him having 1000 or so yards more than fitz. That does not really matter though because he did miss those games. It also helps Q because he has been in the league for one more season.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 9:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin also only played 2 or 3 full seasons.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 9, 2009 1:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point about the money
I completely agree that this is partially a money issue. Boldin is under paid by NFL top flight WR standards. That is inarguable He is easily a top ten WR. Not one WR on this team has the courage that Boldin has. Going across the middle absorbing vicious shot and coming back for more. The alligator arm WR’s on this team will be very unhappy when Boldin is no longer a Cardinal. If memmory serves me correctly Micheal Irvin said that if he were starting a team Boldin would be the WR he would choose. What does Irvin know right . IT IS NOT LIKE HE HAS PLAYED THE POSITION BEFORE.
I say he is under paid. If a guy on your job was making twice as much as you and you both are doing the same job with similAr production at work YOU WOULD NOT want more money ? You have got to be kidding me. Right !
Here is a great question for you Pyromnc. If the management does not want to pay Boldin and the coaching staff has a negative feeling about Boldin and the fan base has soured on Boldin, why is he still a Cardinal ? Please answer that question for me. I respect your opinion.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They wanted to keep the core group of players from last season together.
History has shown if you keep your core group of players together you have a better chance of being successful.
I also think he is still on the team because they were not getting offered what they though Q was worth, wanted what Dallas gave up for Williams.
Last point on why he is still on the team, I think this is what you were hinting at or wanted me to answer with. We are a better team with Boldin on the team. There is no doubt in my mind that we are better with him, brings the three headed monster Fitz, Q and Breaston.
He is underpaid but by his own doing. It is his own damn fault for signing that contract extension a few years ago. I do not think he has the right to complain about his contract when he did this to him self. Does he have a right to be mad, yes at himself.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the response
We are on opposite side of this coin. Clearly I am one of Q’s biggest supporters . It is an open secrete that I am no fan of the Bidwills, Graves and in some respect Whisenhunt. I have seen this situation play out more than I or anyone here cares to know with respect to the Bidwills and how they do business.
I do want to be objective in my assesment/opinions.
Appreciate the conversation Pyromnc.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't had a debat like this in awhile, where both parties strongly believe what they are saying.
As much as I like Boldin, my comments may have show I do not but I do, I just think this charade needs to come to an end. My problem with him is mainly his outspokenness about his issues. He’s allowed to be mad and frustrated, just do not take it out in a way that distracts the team. Look at what happened, instead of talking about a great win, we are talking about Boldin’s issues. Should not be that way.
I do get where you are coming from though, one of my best friends has a similar opinion as yours. The Bidwells have definitely made it hard to really side with them in contract issues.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We do need to get back to the X/O's
I have some opinions on the defense yesterday.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin needs new home
Anquan is in need of a team who he will fit into and be used to his full advantage.It is kinda sad to watch.Needs to be traded and move on to greener pastures!
by getwarnerout on Nov 9, 2009 8:45 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yes get warner out
rotfl, I won’t read anything you write, with a headline like that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
by badmatty53 on Nov 9, 2009 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yeah that name is pretty bad considering Warner just had one of the best games of his career. As far as Q, I love the guy and what he’s done but there’s no denying that the offense seems better without him.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
by Andrew602 on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I love to read how much the fans like Q. Yeah, there were a thousands of post congratulating him when he become the franchise leader in career receptions a few weeks back. It is clear that the love is NOT there. I’d like to see them (fans) ask for the release of Q from the team for conduct detrimental to the team (not that it would work or happen.)
I get such a chuckle. After all what is life if you can’t have a good laugh every now and then.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin isnt the problem its the Cardinals Management.
Take a look at Edgerrin James,Rod Hood,Aaron Francisco,Travis Laboy,Lance Long,Tyler Palko and a long list of people the Cardinals management have built up or gave false hope to then cut.They have been playing with Anquan mentally for a while he’s no Brandon Marshall he deserves better treatment.The Cardinals lied about nobody wanting him during trade talks so they can downplay the fact that they need and want him they just dont want to pay up.Cheap Bastards lol only the Bidwells.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 12:22 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think you're way off base but that's just me
I have no idea how guys like Edge, Hood, Fran-sucko, LaBoy, Long and Palko have anything to do with Boldin. Each one of those guys is a completely different set of circumstances and none of them are remotely close to what’s going on with Q.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Nov 9, 2009 12:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Its the same its management issues lying to players,loyalty,money,those type of relationship things people forget about when you start playing for money.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How were they lying.
Edge was not playing well, Laboy was always hurt, Francisco constantly got beat, Long and Palko were not promised a roster spot, and Hood was just ok. I don’t understand you logic here. A case could be made for Boldin being lied to but the others, I do not think so.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree with Pyro
- Edge wanted out and just because we didn’t release him on his timetable doesn’t mean that they were lying to him.
- LaBoy had a significant injury and is still recovering.
- Francisco was a spare who simply couldn’t play defense.
- Who the hell cares about Long and Palko? They were great stories in camp but they both knew they were long shots at best?
None of these guys were made any promises by management. Just because a guy you like gets cut, it doesn’t mean that management screwed him. You sound like a bitter ex-girlfriend.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You sound like one of those our government doesnt do no wrong guys blind to reality.Its the management not the players in this one everyone in the entire NFL world knows about the Bidwells.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ever since we got the new stadium it seems they have tried to be better.
Michael Bidwell has done a hell of a lot better than Bill and changing the appearance of this team.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They had no choice they moved out of Phoenix nobody wanted to play in a pressure cooker.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's a good one
Your memmory is uncanny Lyloyd Anthony. I THOUGHT I was the only one with a poor opinion of the Bidwills.
Let me bring some real levity to the situation about the Bidwills from National Football Post. This is courtesy of Robert Boland 4/22/09 and it ranks the NFL Organizations.
Arizona Cardinals : William Bidwil & Micheal Bidwill Rank #28
For nearly a half a century, the Bidwills have had a reserved space at the BOTTOM RANKS of the NFL owners. Only some of the worst days of Bob Irsay’s tenure with the Colts really compare to the Cardinasl normal days. But lo and behold, the Cardinals now have a stable management with GM Rod Graves; a superbly talented coach in Ken Whisenhunt, who got lucky enough to make the Super Bowl ahead of schedule; and a new stadium— so it’s impossible to rank the Bidwills at the bootom of this list. The increased presence of Micheal Bidwill seems to be a factor. Still, the Cardinals have been too cheap, only to have to overpay later when their cheapness caught up with them. But there’s reason to hope for more.
This is not a ringing endorsement of the Bidwills by Mr. Boland. He ranked The Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders and the Cincinnati Bengals below the Cardinals. That’s right; only three teams are worst than the Cadinals management according to Mr. Boland.
I just happen to have that article sitting around. I think that it is an accurate description of the pass and current mind set of the Bidwills.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you werent watching edges flea flick to Warner that caught Fitz in the endzone against Atlanta or Edge making Palomalu miss terribly trying to tackle him.Edge had a year left on his contract but the management messed with him and made him disgruntled.Hood held it down and wasnt getting burned like McFadden,but guess what we let a cheaper Hood go for a lesser more expensive McFadden bad move.Long was promised a roster spot.Palko was way better then Pierre or Leinart.Laboy got the job done and reminded me of Tillman and Franciso was ok.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 12:49 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Management were not the ones that benched Edge, Whisenhunt was the one that did that. That was also Edge’s fault for fumbling the ball so much. He then requested that he be released, which management complied with after the draft. I do not think they lied to him at all during his time here in Arizona.
B Mac has played well for the most part this season. He had a bad game against the Colts, who didn’t in that game and the rest he has made some nice plays. Hood was decent but because of his size he would get burnt a lot more than someone like B Mac would.
I do not know about Long being Promised that spot. He probably was told if he played well he would have a shot at a spot, which he got. Then he got in a game and did not look good at all.
Just because you thought Palko played better does not mean the coaching staff promised him a roster spot. The only possible way he made the roster is if one of the QB’s got hurt.
Laboy played well to start but than got injured. Once he got injured he was ineffective and hurting our team. Then we learned he would be out the season with an injury. Sometimes bad luck happens and you get cut for being injury prone.
Fransico always went for the big hit rather than just tackle the guy and in coverage he had to be among the worst safeties in the league. The only thing he did well was his special teams play, which we seem to have replaced his spot nicely anyways.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot that Management purposely held on to Edge for no reason after he pleaded to be let go so he can join a team something the Cardinals did not do for one appearent reason arrogance of the Bidwells.The Cardinals after benching Edge all season mysteriously made him the starter out of the blue in the playoffs why because they stopped the nonsense even Hightower admits Edge was the man to go to as well as all the fans in the stadium including me screaming Edge at the top of our lungs.Loyalty dude loyalty our fans have it management doesnt.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They kept Edge cause they wanted to make sure they got another RB in the draft.
Does not make sense to do something that could potentially hurt your team.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The Cardinals can’t predict who would be available in the draft. They waited to get Wells then released Edge that same week.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
by Andrew602 on Nov 9, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hood was great he blocked a field goal a sprinted for a td against the Vikings several interceptions in the Playoffs.Compare Hoods stats this year to McFaddens Hood 2 McFadden zero bad management moves all over.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
DRC blocked the kick
Hood just returned it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
No band-wagoner fans allowed, pick a team and stick with em, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 9, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He had 1 interception in the playoffs, do not know where you got several.
You cannot transfer stats from team to team. You cannot say oh Hood has 2 interceptions with Tennessee so that means he would have 2 with the Cards. It does not work that way.
by Pyromnc on Nov 9, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hood also got owned by Bernard Berrian that game.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
by Andrew602 on Nov 9, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hood got owned by everybody.
I was trying not say anything, and I probably shouldn’t since you seem to be about 16, but what the ‘ell are you talking about. Hood got burned religiously. The only reason he started over Greene is cause his coverage was excellent. But he couldn’t find the ball and would fail to make the tackle. And how can you compare Hood’s INTs over a complete season to B Mac’s half season? REALLY? Really? At season’s end let’s count big plays given up for each and start our grading system from there.
Management?
Kept- DD, CC, Q, Fitz, Kurt, Boobs, Timmy, Bernie, Dub, Trell, DRC, KD, Matt, and Neil.
Gone- Sisco, Greene, Hood, Edge, Pope and Laboy.
I’d say they’re doing a pretty damn good job.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hood got owned by everybody.
I was trying not say anything, and I probably shouldn’t since you seem to be about 16, but what the ‘ell are you talking about. Hood got burned religiously. The only reason he started over Greene is cause his coverage was excellent. But he couldn’t find the ball and would fail to make the tackle. And how can you compare Hood’s INTs over a complete season to B Mac’s half season? REALLY? Really? At season’s end let’s count big plays given up for each and start our grading system from there.
Management?
Kept- DD, CC, Q, Fitz, Kurt, Boobs, Timmy, Bernie, Dub, Trell, DRC, KD, Matt, and Neil.
Gone- Sisco, Greene, Hood, Edge, Pope and Laboy.
I’d say they’re doing a pretty damn good job.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the double post.
Phone on the fritz.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Nov 9, 2009 3:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
We forgive you
We’re just one big happy family just trying to get along.
by Cardsfan81 on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hood did not get owned,very very ignorant statement.
Sounds like a comment some one made by listening to a radio or reading the newspaper its obvious u havent been to a game and probably to young to understand football.Even wikipedia gets it right on my side dude watch a game then talk football.Following the 2006 season, Hood left the Eagles in free agency and signed a five-year $15 million contract with the Arizona Cardinals where he was the starting cornerback in 2007 and 2008. In the 2007 season, Hood had his best season with five interceptions and two of them were returned for touchdowns. Hood started all 16 games and his 196 return yards on five interceptions were second best in the NFL this season behind Antrel Rolle’s 231 return yards. In 2008 Hood played 15 games with 14 starts and intercepted one pass as the Arizona Cardinals advanced to the Super Bowl.
Hood was released by the Cardinals on April 28, 2009.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 10, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though this is days old, and your arguments are more personal attacks than intelligent debate,
If Hood was so good, why has he been with four teams in 2009?
by tw3kr on Nov 12, 2009 2:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Theres nothing intelligent about your debates you answer questions with questions.
by Lloyd Anthony on Nov 16, 2009 7:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Early Doucet's Stat Line
Doucet’s most important assignment in this game was to get himself up to game speed and show his QB and coaches they could count on him when his number was called. His stat line for the game showed 4 catches for 31 yards… not exactly blowing the doors off. BUT – it also shows Targets. That column also shows 4 – every ball thrown to him – at least 2 of them resulted in moving the chains. He also looked solid on his downfield blocking assignments on several running plays where he was in frame. If he stays clear of the injury bug – I have no doubt he will prove his worth as a TEAM PLAYER.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
by yurintroubl on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
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