Post Game Reaction: Arizona Cardinals Lose to San Francisco 49ers 24-9
There's not much to say other then the fact that the Arizona Cardinals never showed up to play Monday night. It's clear they were looking past the 49ers and San Francisco came in hungry for a win. The Cardinals appeared flat, starting the game defensively with three penalties. Darnell Dockett forced an early interception but the Cardinals offense couldn't get moving. The real story of the game was ball protection. The Cardinals fumbled the ball 5 times while Kurt Warner threw 2 interceptions. I'll make this qucik, so here are some game notes:
The Positives:
- There weren't many. Beanie Wells took over for Tim Hightower and had mild success running the ball, even scoring the Cardinals only touchdown. But he too, could not hang onto the ball.
- The defense had problems but easily kept the Cardinals offense in the game and gave them every chance to catch up. They came within a score at one point.
- Aside from Michael Crabtree's touchdown, the Cardinals defensive backs limited Alex Smith and the 49ers passing attack. Adrian Wilson had another interception to add to his career total at 21.
That's it, really.
The Negatives:
- The Cardinals offense was never in sync and turnovers really hurt this team like usual. It's no secret that when the Cardinals turn the ball over more then their opponent, they lose. That's what happened tonight when the Cardinals turned the ball over SEVEN TIMES, and it shouldn't be a surprise they lost. Was it a surprise that they couldn't get anything going and Kurt Warner's 120+ QB rating games stopped at four? Yes. Fortunately Kurt Warner has a bad game every now and then and usually bounces back with dominating performances, which is good news with the Lions and Rams coming up.
- The defense only registered 1 sack on the day and had no answer for Frank Gore. 167 yards and 1 touchdown were Gore's final numbers as the Cardinals couldn't contain him like they did in their first match up. No pressure + no run defense=loss.
Final thoughts: These are just my thoughts on where the Cardinals currently stand. I'm obviously frustrated and I can't tell you how much I wanted this win.
The Cardinals are not the division champs...yet. Don't get down on yourselves Cardinal fans. This game wasn't for the division and the Cardinals would have to lose to the Rams and Lions while the 49ers have to head to Philadelphia and beat the Eagles next week.
ESPN and the national media finally gave the Cardinals recognition, but was it too much? I appreciate it as a fan but this team obviously plays better with a chip on their shoulder and when they're the underdog. The 49ers ALWAYS play the Cardinals well and the games usually go down to the last minute. Not to mention, one of the teams usually sweeps the other in the season, there's rarely been a split as of late. I even chalked this one up as a loss before the season started and I'm not surprised the 49ers were the better team tonight.
Before I finish let me say there are certainly more negatives but the main two were stated above. If the Cardinals offense could have got more points on the board and the defense could've played like they did last week, the Cardinals would've had the NFC West won. I'm not happy with a loss but I will happily except any negative criticism from the media. Let's even take it one step further and declare the Cardinals underdogs for the rest of the season and throughout the playoffs, especially if that means getting back to the Super Bowl. What are your thoughts on the game?
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Gandy
Sucks Sucks Sucks Sucks. If anyone has an argument against this i would love to hear it. Bridges may not be great, but anyone is better than Gandy. Holy shit Gandy sucks
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by PDXCardinal on Dec 14, 2009 10:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
True, he was beat like a red-headed step child tonight.
Bridges deserves to start but the Cardinals got to get back to helping their O line with protection. I’d still like to hear why Hightower deserves to start over Wells? Anyone?
I realize they both had fumbles but Hightower has fumbled on the opening drive twice the last 2 weeks which really crushes any momentum.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Dec 14, 2009 10:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it's really hard to come back from a fumble like that on the opening drive
i do think bridges is way better than gandy. but remember that last week, he had a lot of help. i noticed that the cardinals did not use their two TE set as much tonight. sometimes i think whiz outsmarts himself. more protection + fewer receivers out there = win against vikings. it would have worked against the niners too.
of course, this is assuming that one of our THREE RUNNING BACKS could hold onto the ball.
by najmsh on Dec 14, 2009 10:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter how much help Gandy had last week.
At this point, anyone can be better. As long as whoever plays has less than 3 holding calls a game and only lets 5 rushers through a game, they will be better than Gandy. Put in the water boy at this point. F*#!. I am not one to put a lot of blame on one person, but when was the last time anyone has come on this site to praise Gandy rather than complain about him?
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by PDXCardinal on Dec 15, 2009 12:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
bridges
bridges got the help last week. gandy is injured, they should give him more time to heal. in fact, if the cardinals had wrapped it up or if they do this weekend, they should give people some time off to heal.
i double wrap my rascal in order to punish the supermodels.
by sornypanafonic on Dec 15, 2009 1:56 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying this for some time.
I just think more people are starting to see it. He’s our weakest lineman and he’s on Warners blindside. I would like to see BIG HERMAN catch up to the learning curve because he has the presence and athletisism to be a force at tackle.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
by boogatt66 on Dec 15, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
When they decide to implode.
They do it spectacularly…
Besides 9-0, A-Dub, and Beanie… nobody really did anything good. Worst game of the year for us.
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by JoeCB1991 on Dec 14, 2009 10:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
implode ??? try ... not even try ..
and if they were trying… they don’t deserve to be here … you aren’t paid bug bucks to ‘gosh, darn … tried my hardest’ … if your hardest isn’t good enuff … bye … bye … listen up Timmie … beanie and Kurt … you can’t get it together … you should be gone … you don’t deserve it .. I would really love, next game, to see a Leinart QB with a Wright/Wolf backfield and House somewhere on the O-line … and if they do the job … let them stay … and if they stay till the end … shed the fat … I want the Cards to WIN … I don’t care if we have to shed washed up ‘wish I was’s’ or ‘non-serious, hope I can’s’ to do it … if you can’t get it up for a division clincher… when ??? i’m supposed to think it was a 1 off ?? that’s why we are not considered ‘elite’ .. we have too many players just mailing it in half the time…
by scsa69 on Dec 14, 2009 10:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This
was an ugly game but don’t get carried away. There is no reason to shift most of the offense around
due to a loss at SanFrancisco. Whisenhunt is not one for big changes any time during the season.
I thought they would win this one to wrap up the division but I didn’t see it going how it did. It almost makes me wonder if they play possum in some of the these games so nobody thinks they are that good overall. With Detroit next week they should get the win and clinch the NFC West.
by kj197728 on Dec 14, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the same boat as you kj
I saw that last year and I think it worked against the Giants and Vikings. We’ll see come playoffs.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Dec 15, 2009 7:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
So, anyone else think the Refs stole that catch from Larry?
He would have been down at the one yard line if they didn’t take it away.
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by JoeCB1991 on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I do.
I don’t know the rule book word for word, but I know a catch when I see one, and that was a catch (and a spectacular one at that!). If the refs called it correctly and interpreted the rule book correctly, then it’s a bad rule.
by Fitz Jizzle on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i was greatly upset by that call. he came down with it and then the defender ripped it out of his hands. he was down by contact and had the ball in possession. it was crap. huge shift right there.
i double wrap my rascal in order to punish the supermodels.
by sornypanafonic on Dec 15, 2009 1:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
plus the ball never hit the ground
I guess I need the rule explained to me because that was a catch.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Dec 15, 2009 7:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a fluke
Really I wouldn’t read into too much into this game. This was a fluke in my opinion. Everything went right for the ‘Niners and everything went wrong for the Cardinals. While the interceptions were bad the fumbles really weren’t. Fumbles many times just come to luck and random chance. If you look at past NFL seasons the teams that lead the league in fumbles lost very from year to year and record to record. Sometimes the worst teams have the least fumbles while the best have the most. Its mostly chance.
On the fumble by Hightower the defensive player came in leading with the crown of the helmet with his head down and poor technique along with dangerous play got rewarded. Nothing you can really do as a ball carrier. The second fumble was a great play by Willis and the running back never really had time to get a good grip on the ball. It happens every week. You can’t really coach or teach against that. Just hope that the defensive player doesn’t make a great play. The fumble by Beanie was another case of poor and dangerous tackling technique getting rewarded with the defensive player hitting a player with the crown of his helmet and his head bent down and got the ball. You keep doing that you can get paralyzed. The Boldin fumble was just great play and a bunch of guys trying to strip the ball. You can’t really blame that. Sometimes it happens. It is impossible to hold on to the ball that long with that many guys ripping at it.
I really wouldn’t be worried. It happens sometimes. Whenever you ran the ball you had success, but you either fumbled or got a holding penalty on a wideout. The offense just never got into a rhythm. Whatever. If that is holding then there should be flags on every long run in the NFL. If that is a block in the back then no team will ever have long runs. Just some bad breaks. I thought AZ’s defense played fantastic. The 49ers scored 17 points while receiving the ball inside the Arizona 40. Outside of the drive right before half time they played great and kept the ’Cards in the game.
I am not the type that usually says a game is a fluke or a team got luck, but the Niners got lucky. Every break, every penalty went their way. The ‘Niners have serious problems. Their quarterback is horrible who is only good at hard counts. They don’t have any wideouts except Crab. Davis is overrated. Their defense is pretty good I guess, but you can’t rely on getting 5 fumbles to win a game.
I still don’t understand how Fitz did not catch that ball on the one yard line. If that is not a catch then how the Giants win the Super Bowl? Dual possession (not even really), guy gets the ball stripped from him while he is on the ground three seconds after the play was over. If that play is overturned then the Cardinals probably roll. Cheer up you get the Lions next week.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Dec 14, 2009 11:22 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
2 flukes in 1 year?
you guys gave us 1 turnover, we earned the other 6.
“On the fumble by Hightower the defensive player came in leading with the crown of the helmet with his head down and poor technique along with dangerous play got rewarded.”
“The fumble by Beanie was another case of poor and dangerous tackling technique getting rewarded with the defensive player hitting a player with the crown of his helmet and his head bent down and got the ball. You keep doing that you can get paralyzed.”
thats how goldson plays. We aren’t really fans of his technique either, but occasionally it comes in handy. when he does it a little bit wrong he misses the tackle and its usually a big play. happened to work twice yesterday.
goldson’s interception and Brook’s 2 ff on the quarterback were all good plays. Although Brown’s interception was basically given to him by warner.
btw the stat sheet says 7 fum, but I could only find 6 in individual stats. anyone remember the other one? you guys recovered it.
and on the refs, I dunno. you should have seen our game last week, far worse officiating. And I don’t know what happened on that challenge either.
I don’t know if fluke is the right word. And there is a lot you can read into this game, and that other teams will read into this game. You guys have poor ball security and warner makes bad decisions under pressure.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Jyckel and Mr. Hyde...
Warner looked scared all game.
Gandy was… what can be said that hasn’t?
Fumbles…
Ugh.
I feel like we lack pride on our team.
Watching this team play was like watching the football team I coach. They rise up to big games when they are the underdog and have something to prove, but when they are suppose to win and the underdog plays harder then them, they quit. Drives me nuts. Me, the HC and the OC can’t figure it out for our lives.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Dec 15, 2009 1:31 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yep. After beating the Vikings we all should have seen this landslide coming
But it still sucks. I was all prepared to steamroll into the playoffs…
by tw3kr on Dec 15, 2009 2:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
16 years .. last chance ..
tired off all this and all the excuses … (sorry Defence, probably no other defence in the league could have held a team so well in the face of 7 turnovers…but a team is Defence and Offence) and I am just tired of justifications and excuses and rationalizations for this offence..
with (arguably) less talent, you don’t see this nonsense from the Colts or the Saints or Chargers, even the Vikings (even in defeat their O was not that pathetic)
I have read here ‘ooohhh it’s just one game, oooohhhh people just jumping on and off the bandwagon … ooohhhh they just don’t understand the game … we understand all too well … our O with only a few exceptions can not be counted on to earn the salaries they are paid (and Whiz better get with the play calling too… you aren’t getting paid because we love you Whiz) every game … suffered too long … wimpazz cannot be excused … play or hit the road … these sorry boneheads don’t step up and ANNIHILATE everybody left and everybody thru the playoffs then they are NOT WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE … face facts folks … they have the talent… if they can’t produce now … they never will … so dump them …. it’s a big cruel world …. I’ve invested enough with not much return … they blow this year and maybe i’ll join my brother (he never lived here, he’s allowed) and become a raiders fan…. sure they suck … but when they come back someday … they dam well will come back ….not this nauseating now we can do it, now we can’t amateur hour crap we are being subjected to …
16 years… and the clock is ticking … Cards,n if you toads don’t care… trust me… I am just about done caring myself …
by scsa69 on Dec 15, 2009 3:14 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
We went away from what worked against the Vikings!
We left Gandy out on an island and as usual he failed.
Why didn’t we go with the max protect sets and give Warner the time to make his throws.
Last week we won the game in the trenches – this week the 49ers were up for the battle and we weren’t.
All the mistakes were because we were allowing the 49ers to dictate the game.
by CardsIrish on Dec 15, 2009 4:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Dec 15, 2009 7:18 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
SF is tough at home and Willis and co played well, so it is no shame.
But still. that many turnovers is cause for concern.
by WarWolf on Dec 15, 2009 5:51 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Is Gandy still hurting?
Before you string him up on the one game I am just curious if he was up to 100% after his injury or if it was still bugging him.
by armadill0 on Dec 15, 2009 6:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well he did leave early so I'm assuming he wasn't 100%.
He should’ve never started if that was the case though.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
5 positives and 2 negatives for a game where that we lost by 15?
This game was for the division and we screwed the pooch. This team still fits the “any given Sunday” motto but elite teams don’t lay an egg like this. For whatever reason our veteran leaders can’t stand up and lead this team week in and week out. We play down to our competition and get terribly sloppy.
This game was a disgrace.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Dec 15, 2009 6:23 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call it 5 positives
More like beanie had an OK game and the defense TRIED to keep the Cardinals in the game. If you take out the 2 main negatives the Cardinals win the game.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Dec 15, 2009 7:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
posted this in a fanshot last night but it got pushed down so here it is again "what to do with TUMBLE & FUMBLE"
These are the new nicknames for Wells & Hightower. I am growing tired of Wells falling over himself in the backfield and missing out on provided holes (obviously I am sick of his fumble but am using this to co-inside with the new nicknames). Hightowers fumbling problem is obviously not solved. Wells almost lost a ball even before his late game fumble. This is a little dramatic but I am thinking to make inactive both Wells & Hightower for next weeks game. During the week force them to carry a ball with them and literally beat the crap out of their arms and upper body trying to get them to loose the ball. By “giving them” the week off as inactives you allow time for them to heal up and for the obvious let it sink in that their fumbling is inexcusable. Means we face the Lions and Rams I think we could get away with it. I know LSH fumbled as well but that was his first (that i know of). Wright becomes the starting back. We would need to pick up somebodyoff a PS or as a FA. So it would go Wright, LSH & the new guy. What do you think?
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by sc464 on Dec 15, 2009 7:30 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
-1
Win the division first, then pull your gimmicks.
by GraydonS on Dec 15, 2009 7:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
-2
nothing would be learned if you WAITED to discipline. I dont even have kids yet and I know that. If you are going to do something it has to be done right away. If you dont then its water under the bridge.
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by sc464 on Dec 15, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
I was pretty happy with the defense in general. Gore had a good game, but he is a great back. You can’t shut those guys down every week. We got enough pressure on Smith that he forced some things. Our secondary played pretty well. I was frustrated with the 2 minute offense though. Something isn’t right there. Alex Smith carved us up at the end of the half which is ridiculous.
I liked how we came out to start the second half by running the ball a lot. The 9ers were showing a lot of soft coverages. In the past we couldn’t move the ball, even against such defenses. Now we have the toughness up front and in the backfield to run it in these situations, if only we can HANG ONTO THE FREAKING BALL.
I’m very frustrated overall, but I think there were enough positives that I’m not going to freak out like I did after the Colts game. That game left me feeling completely lost.
by jallred350 on Dec 15, 2009 8:39 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
defense played great. They really only gave up 1 TD if you take away the turnovers in our own territory.
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by sc464 on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals deserve their due.
Come on Alex Smith is no Brett Farve,Gore is no Adrain Peterson and Jared Allen does not play for the 49ers.The Cards did themselves in with the by chance fumbles.There comes a time when you play a game and nothing goes right this was that game it doesnt happen often.Unless some crazy blogger actually believes the Lions or Rams can beat the Cards we are Division champs again and Defending NFC Champs they need more people to fuel the fire so keep saying they suck it only makes them try that much harder.
by Lloyd Anthony on Dec 15, 2009 9:14 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Beanie TD
We got robbed on the Fitzgerald catch at the one-yard line. Who knows what the refs were thinking. But take a look at the highlights of Beanie’s TD run…Warner snapped the ball after the play clock expired and a delay of game should have been called. We caught a break on that one—probably the only break we caught in this game.
Whiz and the Cardinals are very good at putting a bad loss like this behind us—we played very very well the weeks after the bad losses to Carolina and Indy. Let’s hope that we can take care of business in Detroit, and that Philly can beat SF, so we can put the division behind us and start preparing for playoffs.
By the way, there is a decent chance that we might play Green Bay two weeks in a row at home—once for the final game of season and then again in first round of playoffs. that would be interesting!
by Mike from CT on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Back-to-back home games against the Packers worries me...
…as they’ll never go home. How do you game plan? Put St. Pierre in for Week 17 and call up the Practice Squad? Oh wait, that’s baseball that can do that… Interesting indeed but that’s getting way ahead of ourselves.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on Dec 15, 2009 10:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre should never play in a real game.
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by JoeCB1991 on Dec 15, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I see Warner throwing 4 or 5 TDs next week....
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by JoeCB1991 on Dec 15, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Coaching (pun intended)
Watching the performance of the Cardinals last night reminded me of Cards teams from the late 80’s and early 90’s. Inept, indicisive, uninspiring, unimaginative and gutless. Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye are NOT upper echelon coaches in the NFL ranks right now. The 49ers offensive coaching staff out-scheme and out-coached Whisenhunt in a game the Cardinals and the Football Universe knew the Cards needed to win to wrap up the Division Crown. The performance of Whisenhunt and his offense was well……offensive to long time Cards fans. I was offended, hurt, angry, frustrated and deeply dissapointed. Not that they lost…….but how they lost. The lack of foucs and dicipline was alarming and my immediate thought was did the Cards switch players with the Raiders? I mean it was unbelievable.
Truly great coaching produces threads of consistency from week to week even in defeat. This is just not happening with this offensive coaching staff and I have some ideas as to why.
1. Whisenhunt is not putting the ball in proven playmakers hands when the games on
line. This causes some players to check out mentally.
2. Whisenhunt is not sticking with a/the formular that produces wins———ie max
protections to keep Warner clean in the pocket.
3. Whisenhunt is sticking with the coach speak philisophy that a players does not loose
his job because of injury. Gandy is no longer starting material and he’s hurt.
4. Whisenhunt is calling offensive plays that forces balls into coverage and puts the
defense in poor position way to often. Any offense with a short field or that
recieves multiple turnovers consistently will eventually produce points.
5. Whisenhunt needs to put the players on the field that will help to win games period.
Too much is at stake for the fans and the organization to do anything other than that .
The best players should play. The player makers should get the touches (unless they keep putting the ball on the carpet).
Please no more discussion about an extension of Whisenhunt’s contract with two years to go on it with a club option on the second year. He has not produced a team that plays with any consistency for more than three weeks on his side of the ball and this team still lays eggs while in the National spotlight. This is a direct reflection of the Head Coach and that’s the Whiz.
by Cardsfan81 on Dec 15, 2009 10:50 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I was completely with you until the final paragraph
Two things I know for sure…..
1. Whiz isn’t the best coach in the NFL.
2. But he’s got this team/organization headed in the right direction for the first time ever.
There are some of his philosophies that drive me up the damn wall, namely leaving his OT’s on an island, but the only reason we are all stark raving mad today is b/c he’s changed the culture around here to make us expect more from our team. One thing that I think will have to be rectified this offseason is the OC spot. Two coordinators and a play caller is just two many chefs in the kitchen.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Dec 15, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Much respect Bezekira
I work hard at not being emotional with my opinion/analysis. We agree that Whiz is a good coach. He has changed the culture organizationally with winning. My frustration is that imo he has remianed the 7/8/9 best coach becuase of stubborness/outdated philosphy. Again I like the guy as a coach. There are only 6/7 guys I would take over him. Your point about the chefs is a good one. Whiz wears too many hats.
I think this team should develope some sustained consistency on offense before Whiz is given a new deal unless he wins the Superbowl. Any thoughts on that? Did I just say Superbowl.
by Cardsfan81 on Dec 15, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, it is crazy how high the bar is set right now
I guess my question concerning whether or not he deserves a new contract right now versus when his contract actually expires depends on who you’d get to replace him. Considering how many coaches we’ve run through during the past couple of decades maybe I’m just scared to try and find better and I’m content with a “top 10” guy as opposed to the best possible fit. Make any sense?
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Whiz to remian the coach
You do have me thinking a different thought process. If he gets back to the SB the Bidwills are forced to re-do the deal becuase of the percieved/ real culture change. What if a team calls the Bidwills and say we want the guy as our coach if you don’t want to pay him. Under these curcumstances Whiz would get his new deal.
The devil you know it much easier to deal with than the devil you don’t know. Too much instability invovled with potential changes. Before it comes to this Whiz gets his deal. You have convinced me. I do see the logic.
by Cardsfan81 on Dec 15, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to feel a weird kin-ship 81 and here I thought we were going to be mortal enemies
In the effort of full disclosure, I do agree that Whiz may not be a great coach and he still makes some decisions that make you scratch your head, but he’s making progress. Hopefully he’ll get the coordinator thing worked out this off season and continue to improve in areas like clock management, but in the end as long as we see progress more times that not, I’d bet he’s here for quite a while.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Dec 16, 2009 6:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
what the?
any thought of letting Whiz go is insane. Sure there are things we may wish he did different, for example sometimes I think he is too forgiving of his players, but the proof is in the pudding gentlemen. He has taken a team that was the NFLs laughing stock and actually given them some stock. No way should we let him go, period.
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by sc464 on Dec 16, 2009 8:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Relax sc464 ( no one has lost their mind here)
I don’t ever remember saying that Whiz should not get a new deal. My position is that it should be in the last year of the deal unless……certain conditions present themselves. Bezekira, I think Whiz does have the potential to one of the top five guys in the league. That’s always been my issue. If he keeps winning and I believe that he will then he will go down as the best Cards coach that I have seen and I go back to Coryell.
by Cardsfan81 on Dec 16, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Give his due to Whisenhunt
This was a bad game, terrible game… but it was only a game, the team is headed in the right direction, and Whisenhunt is a big part of it, remember that it was only last week when we were talking about how good we looked against the Vikings, winning is difficult in the NFL, of course we are not an elite team, but we are going back to the playoffs and we can compete with anybody… I think Whisenhunt is not the greatest coach of course, but to me he can be one day, he has done a remarkable job, specially changing the culture (remember how many coaches have failed just trying to change the culture), taking us to the superbowl in just his second season, and still improving, we still need more playmakers on deffense and some young players will continue to develop, but so far Whisenhunt has done a great job, so don´t get carried away by one loss, in the end, we will be in the playoffs, we will be taken as the underdog (I love it) and hopefully play our best in january…. GO CARDINALS
paco cabrera
by pacocab on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Don't take the upcoming Lions game as given
Just sayin’.
by Amigo on Dec 15, 2009 4:32 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
not sure who said it...
“The Bidwells own the Cardinals 363 days in 2009, the 49ers owned them for two”… I do disagree to an extent, the 49ers didn’t win the games with prowess or leadership, the Cardinals lost those games on their own… I’m no guru, but has any team ever won a game committing 7 TOs?
by Gildo on Dec 17, 2009 12:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
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