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3-4 vs. 4-3: How Will It Effect the Arizona Cardinals Defensive Line?

There's been quite a bit of talk recently about how a 3-4 defense would effect the current personnel of the Arizona Cardinals as well as how it would effect their draft targets and free agent signings. I'll be the first to tell you I'm no football expert or former defensive coordinator at any level, but I've done some nerd-like research (after all that's what the interenet is for right?) into the 3-4 since Ken Whisenhunt brought the scheme to the desert. It's not only a completely different defensive scheme with different responsibilities but it's also takes a different mindset for players, as well as a different kind of player. For the sake of simplicity in this article, we'll assume that there won't be much of a change for the secondary. The only tangible difference I could find was that they'll probably run more man-to-man coverage, but the Cardinals were never a big 'zone coverage' team to begin with. That allows us to focus on the front seven and more specifically, what the changes will be for the defensive line and linebackers as a whole and individually.

Disclaimer: We all know that Whisenhunt has downplayed the notion of going to 'true 3-4' but he acknowledged that they'd be implementing more "Pittsburgh-type' concepts so I think we'll see a defense much closer to a 3-4 than we've seen the past two seasons.

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To get our feet wet, lets start by looking at the defensive line first and then we'll move the linebackers with our next installment. Here's what we can expect to see from a 3-4 defensive line....

 

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Nose Tackle: I looked nine teams that ran 3-4 defenses, including the Steelers, Chargers, Dolphins, Cowboys, Browns, Jets, Patriots, Ravens and 49ers, and the average size of their nose tackles was 6'3 329. Only two tackles tipped the scales at less than 315 (none under 300) and four were listed over 340. Those nine players averaged 49 tackles and 2.4 sacks this past season.Gabe_watson3_medium

Nose tackles by definition are the biggest of 'big uglies.' If there's less glamorous position in the game of football, I haven't found it.  They line up directly over the center and command a double team on just about every play. The production of nose tackle is rarely measured by his individual stats, but instead by the stats of the linebackers behind him and the run defense as a whole. Most nose tackles are 'two down' players and they'll come out of the game in obvious passing situations. To put it simply, they're job isn't to make plays, it's simply to allow others to make plays.

  • Of the Cardinals current personnel, only Gabe Watson and Alan Branch are suited to be true nose tackles. Bryan Robinson could play there in a pinch, but he won't hold up long as a full-time nose. A smaller guy like Dockett, or Campbell could slide down inside on passing downs though.

Defensive Ends: Looking at the same nine teams, the average defensive end is 6'5 and 299 pounds. The lightest (a tie between four players) was 285 while the heaviest tipped the scale at a whopping 325 pounds. Interestingly enough, three teams (DAL, NE, CLE) had both starting ends over the 300 pound mark while four teams (SF, NYJ, MIA, PIT) had both ends under 300. Those 18 starters averaged 43 tackles and 2.8 sacks on the season, with just four players breaking the five sack mark.

As you can see, the 3-4 defensive end is a completely different animal than the 4-3 defensive end and their responsibilities are just as unrelated. Like the nose tackles, the ends primary job is to occupy blockers and allow the linebackers to roam free. Often times, especially in pass rush situations, they're try tie up the offensive tackle so that the rushing OLB can be isolated on a back or tight end. Ends won't get doubled as much as the nose will, but they will have to deal with them from time to time.

  • Of the Cardinals current personnel, Darnell Dockett, Antonio Smith (if retained), Calais Campbell and Bryan Robinson would be the best fits as 3-4 defensive ends. Dockett and Smith are both 285 on the button and Campbell is 282. Kenny Iwebema might be able to manage as a 3-4 end because of his strength but he'll have to add some weight to his 6'4, 274 pound frame. Travis Laboy (250) and Bertrand Berry (260), who are currently listed as defensive ends, would have to move to outside linebacker or become situational pass rushers. 

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Ok, maybe that makes sense and maybe I was just babbling, but I hope it made some sense. It'll be interesting to see how close the Cardinals defense is to a true 3-4 in 2009 or if it'll still be a confusing 'hybrid' system, but we'll likely have to wait until training camp to know for sure. So did all of that make any sense? What do you think of how our defensive line would look? Do they have the right personel to run a 3-4, at least as far as the defensive line is concerned?

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I think one of the main reasons for the changes in Defensive Coordinator is to implement this new defense, I really think Docket can be a force playing DE, Smith can succed in this system (if he stays), Campbell has shown potential and Robinson can be a great run stopper from that position; however the key for this tu succed are both Michigan guys, if Watson and Branch can have a solid offseason and play to their potential, this can be a great line, however that is a big task for the deffensive coaches, but I am confident they can get both big guys in good shape and ready to dominate like the great NT do… the OLB situation looks a bit more complicated but we will wait for that.

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by pacocab on Feb 20, 2009 1:33 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

If you want to see a PRIME example of a 3-4 defense...

See the 2008 Ravens. Big lineman to clog the gaps and pass rushing/coverage linebackers. Not to mention a pretty good secondary w/ Ed Reed.

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by Andrew602 on Feb 20, 2009 1:46 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm liking the chart.

I already had an understanding of the 3-4 but this does help a lot.

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by Andrew602 on Feb 20, 2009 1:53 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I am pretty savvy with my football knowledge, but this was good to see on paper.

I was a DC for a few years with a Pop Warner league (little league) team. I loved it. My plan is to pick this back up at a high school and eventually, who knows.

by hevchv on Feb 20, 2009 2:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Depth

I’m only guessing “hybrid” is code for we don’t quite have the depth, DT and DE to go 3-4. Starters on the line look good,Watson NT, Dockett Campbell Robinson DEs. OLB however is still up in the air….LaBoy needs to stay healthy, and learn to play stand up linebacker, Berry I dunno what do they say about teaching old guyz new tricks?? Okeafor can be a good OLB. I believe coach knows how a great 3-4 should look, I don’t think the Cards are quite there yet hence the hybrid quote. I’m looking for a OLB in the first round, with a RB in the second. NFL.com had a new mock draft listing Larry English DE (probally making the switch to OLB in NFL) in the 1st round and Javon Ringer RB in round 2. Both guyz have youtube highlight reels, take a look, both players seem to show great promise (I’m no pro scout)! Just my take on a very interesting off-season.

by AkVermynking on Feb 20, 2009 4:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Ringer scares me b/c of all the miles that Michigan State put on him this year

Seems like every time I looked at his game stats he had 30 or 35 carries. That really wears on a guy.

by Bezekira on Feb 24, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem man.

We’ll take as many loyal Cardinal fans as we can get.

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by Andrew602 on Feb 21, 2009 1:00 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Found this on NFL.com

“We feel like this is probably one of the deepest areas of the draft,” Arizona Cardinals general manager Rod Graves said. “We’re probably going to lean more to a 3-4 type of alignment that puts a great emphasis on linebackers. Our focus is probably going to be with the outside area, where that hybrid-type linebacker, from that position, is going to be a focus. This draft has some guys in it that would be very appealing to us.” Look for a DE/LB in Round one I think.

by AkVermynking on Feb 24, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

bring on Larry English

that guy can contribute from day one if they put him out there on third downs and just say “go get the QB”

learning the whole position will take time but he’s a natural pass rusher.

by Bezekira on Feb 24, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless...........

I heard Simeon Rice is healthty and available, think he would come back to AZ after his “Armpit of the NFL” comment?

by AkVermynking on Feb 25, 2009 2:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No.

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Feb 25, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

How old is Rice ......38?

dude must be hurting for money if he’s trying to come back now.

by Bezekira on Feb 26, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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