Five Round Mock with the Cardinals Trading Boldin to the Titans
by Bezekira on Mar 26, 2009 9:59 AM MDT
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PrintCheck out Draft-Tek's latest mock that has a "what if" scenario with the Cardinals trading Anquan Boldin to the Titans for their first and third round picks. That gives the Cardinals five picks in the top 100 including back to back picks in the first and third. Not a bad haul for Q, but let's see how the mock turns out.....
- 1a: Connor Barwin (DE/OLB/TE) - Cincinati: Talk about a prospect who's flying up the charts. The guy has only played DE for one season after being a TE earlier in his career, but he still recorded 11 sacks. He's a tremendous athlete and has a ton of upside.
- 1b: Chris Wells (RB) - Ohio State: We all know about Beanie and say what you want about him but if the Cardinals come out of the first round with a bonafide pass rusher and a franchise back, I'm dancing in the streets.
- 2: William Moore (FS) - Missouri: Not sure I like a safety this high but he's a first round talent who had a bad senior season. He's definite upgrade over Francisco and rounds out what would be an awful good secondary.
- 3a: Kraig Urbik (G) - Wisconsin: If you don't know about this guy, you should. He's the kind of OL that Grimm dreams about at night. Built like a fire hydrant and acts like a bull dozer in the running game. He gives Lutui a serious run for his money from day one.
- 3b: Antoine Caldwell (C) - Alabama: Eh, experienced center who needs to get stronger. Quick feet, mobile but needs to hit the weights sounds to much like Lyle.
- 4: Jason Phillips (ILB) - TCU: Not a great LB and won't help in year one at all after tearing his ACL right before Pro Day, but he's got some talent. Not phyisically gifted but an experienced LB who's made his share of big plays. Sounds like a Biesel clone to me.
- 5: Brandon Hughes (CB) - Oregon State: Another eh pick but it's value at this point. Came to college at WR but ended up starting 40 games at CB. Decent size (5'11 182) and good speed (4.4 at combine) but was never really great at Oregon State.
So what do you think is a one and a three enough?
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Pretty good scenario
I definitely like the first 2 picks as both can help immediately. I’m not completely loving the 2nd round as I think we are fine at safety and I also think he will be gone by that pick. If some play like Clint Sintim or Eric Wood were to slide to that Pick and this guy was available to I would hope we took either Sintim or Wood over the safety especially if Wood is there because I think that guy is going to be a pro bowl caliber C. Overall though I like the scenario obviously though if we did take Wood with that pick than we would pass on Caldwell but Wood will most likely be gone so the scenario is a good one.
As for the trade
I like that we get a 1st and 3rd but I would like to get a 5th or 6th included but as long as we get 2 first day picks I think I would be fine with it.
+1
heck make them throw in a seventh and we’ll package our two 7’s and jump up into the sixth. We’ll still have our comp pick in the back pocket.
Compensation picks cannot be traded.
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I am fine with trading Boldin. If the pick is however a 30 & 60 then I want their 5th or 6th rounder for sure. We have had a lot of talk about pass rushers in the offseason. The Cards seem rather confident in Calais Cambell & Kenny Iwebema. What are everybodies thoughts on them stepping up?
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CC and Iwebema
From what I have seen of CC I think he is going to be a very good DE as for Iwebema I have not seen a whole lot of him so I will have to go on Whiz’s word that he is going to be good, from what Whiz has done here I will believe him when he says that he is a good player.
I think both of them combined could fill A Smith's shoes
CC is huge and could eventually develop nicely. As far as this mock, I like Wells and I like adding depth at certain positions.
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If we think KI will be a DE then we need depth behind Dockett or KI behind Dockett then CC needs Depth. (unless Jason Banks shows morer than last year) Robinson was brought in to play DE but ended up at NT because of Watson’s injury and Branch’s inability to step up. If we got a quality NT we could move Robinson back to DE and cut Branch. Plus then we would have a better 3-4 front.
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Agreed, I think we need to add some depth at the NT. I think KI will be better suited as a DE and having Docket and Watson as the NT but we need someone to be the 3rd NT behind those to. I have lost all confidence that Branch can fill that 3rd void and it is time to get someone to replace him so we can cut him. Cutting him would add some to the 1.5 mil capspace we have and I believe Branch has 2 years left on his deal with this year bringing him 1.2 mil (750,000 roster bonus) and 1.3 mil(750,000 roster bonus) the next
The thing with KI is that he is undersized for a 3-4 so he needs to get stronger and quicker. I havn’t seen him play well at the 5 technique so I think he is better behind Dockett. Robinson can play the 5 tech but can’t shift over unless we have another NT. Neither CC or KI have blown me away but I know, especially the 5 tech, is a hard position to learn so I am trusting Whiz when he speaks of potential.
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A five tech means that the defensive lineman had his nose on the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle.
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Sorry, let me fully clarify
It’s kind of an offset 3-4 where the NT lines to the far side of the Offensive Tackle.
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Hate to do a 3rd reply but this seemed like a good explanation
Well think of yourself as a Nose Tackle. You’re lined up directly on the Center, that’s a 0 technique since it’s directly in the middle of the O line. Now if you move over into the A gap between the Center and Guard, that’s a 1 technique. Now if you move over again and line up directly on the Guard, that’s a two technique. If you move over again and are in the B gap between the Guard and Tackle that’s a 3 technique. The process just keeps going on for a long process, it eventually goes to where the Linebackers are too.
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KI is plenty strong
I remember Al Johnson saying last year that KI was the strongest DE in camp last year and that he was nearly impossible to move. At 274 pounds he’s not quite the size of the prototypical 3-4 DE, but he’s awful close.
It was him I had confused with Keith, good call Hev...
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
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I know there was something to the effect of Keith being a beast for a 7th rounder...
but the KI comment is what I got it skewed with.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
I'm still very high on CC and KI
CC should start opposite of DD this season and I’ve got high hopes for him. He’s as good a pass rusher as Smith was, IMO, and if he can stand up against the run there might not be a drop off at all. And I think CC’s ceiling is much higher than Smith’s so I love his future as a DE.
As for KI, I wonder if he’ll ever be more than a 2-down player but even then he’s got value on the depth chart. He’s crazy strong considering that he filled in a NT early last season so he should be able to get in there and give DD and CC a breather on running downs and hold his own. If he can develop some pass rush chops, who knows maybe we have a crazy good trio of ends who can be a Giants-like pressure front on third downs. Add in old man Robinson and we’ve got plenty of depth at DE, IMO.
I’m actually more concerned with nose tackle than DE. If Watson doesn’t prove to be a legit starter this season (which I think he will), where do we go from there? Branch is bust right now and this might be his last chance to prove he’s a player and Robinson, for as good as he was at times last year, isn’t a true nose or the future at that position. Watson’s also on a one year deal so if he has a breakout season, they might have to open the purse strings to keep him b/c nose tackles are a high priority position.
+1 on Watson
I think that a healthy Watson can really have a big season for us this year. He was really coming on strong in 2007 and will benefit from last season and a full training camp. Branch is a bust he just took his pay check and gave up. As you say though if Watson does have a big year then he could be looking at a franchise tag.
+1
Watson needs to stay healthy and he can come out with a bang in ’09.
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+2
We just need a big blob to man the middle with enough lean to get a double team. That frees up a LB to wreak havoc. Can Watson be the blob?
Lets start feeding KI and keep him on the weight program...
Maybe he can take Cartman’s weight gain 5000!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
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I am confident in CC but not so much in KI...
…but that is only because of the small sample size. I agree with you that picking up a 30 and 60 is a bit weak for a perennial Pro Bowler. However, I would simply seek a different trade partner as an added 5th wouldn’t make me happy either.
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Trade Boldin
I like the trade ,Boldin for a first and third,would be great.However your choices of players is not very good.There are better players at each possible selection.I would rate your choices a D ,because your trading a star reciever and not addressing that position at all with your choices.And I think the Cards can wait till the later rounds and pick up a running back as good as Wells,someone possibly in the 3-5 rounds. Perrhaps someone like Andre Brown or Glenn Coffee or maybe even Marlon Lucky. And fifth round draft choices cant be ( EH Picks) these picks usually end up starters in the NFL, All picks have to have potential of helping the team.NO WASTED PICKS ON THIS TEAM!
You don’t really need to address the receiver positon early in the draft as our receiver core is good with Fitz and Breaston as the number 1 and 2 and then you got Urban and Doucet as good number 3 and 4. There is not better back than Wells, Moreno, Brown, and McCoy in this draft and after those 4 picks there is a tremendous drop off in talent. If any of those 4 are available at 31 I take one. Whiz is going into this draft looking to improve the OLB/DE position, TE position, and the FB/RB position. He would address 2 of those with the first 2 picks of this draft.
Your on crack if you think Boldin can be replaced so easily!
We shouldn’t even be talking trade until next year with him. He’ll play under his current contract and for cheap too. He was a huge part of our winning formula in 2008 and we are not the same team without him. If we were switching regimes with Warner to Leinart and trying to solidify a run game, I could understand the trade, but not with Warner still at the wheel. Just having Boldin on the field makes teams completely have to change their defensive game plan.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
We are talking about trading Boldin because the mock draft has him being traded. The fact is that everyone thinks we arn’t the same team without him when we went 4-1 without him including that blowout in Carolin in the playoffs. I like Boldin and hope we keep him but you can’t really say we are not the same without him when clearly we can play without him.
Remember that Carolina game??? He was active until game time!
You think that didn’t throw them for a loop when they thought they would have to defend him until game time? You are also ready to crown Doucet the next Boldin??? WTF! He couldn’t stay healthy and did nothing even close to what Boldin did his rookie year. This isn’t Madden 2009 Chief, no off season progression…
Warner would be completely transparent after 3 or 4 games of having only Fitz and Breaston to throw to. Shit, it happened last year mid-season! He’s under contract and for cheap right now; we have him by the balls. Make him play this season out and if you want to trade him, trade him next offseason and build for the future(Leinart). If you want Boldin to retire a Cardinal, get him locked up after AW and Dansby. Either way, we want to win a Superbowl, not be “REALLY REALLY” deep with rookies. I don’t care what you think, no Rookie will outperform Boldin this next season, and that’s what it comes down to…
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Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
I never crowned Doucet the next Boldin. Do I believe he has the intangibles to be like Boldin, yes. Do I believe he can be a good receiver, yes. When Boldin was out Doucet would get a chance and every time Warner threw him the ball he caught it. You make it sound like Boldin is the whole team and if we got rid of him we would suck but the fact is it takes a team to do the things the Cards did last year. It takes a team to get to the Super Bowl, not just one player. Also, most of the players that Whiz has drafted have made an impact on the team and progressed very fast, Breaston, CC, DRC, Hightower, Brown, and even Doucet to an extent when he was given the chance. You also make it sound like if Boldin is not on the team Warner is going to suck. Warner has an ELITE receiver in Fitz, a receiver in Breaston that is only getting better, Urban played as the 4th receiver and put up numbers that 4rth receivers arn’t supposed to do, and again when Doucet was given the chance he produced. If we trade Boldin we will draft players that will make an immediate impact, which a player like Barwin and Wells would be and maybe drafting a TE in the 2nd round would give Warner another weapon to have. So getting rid of Boldin won’t make us the crappy team you apparently think we will be when he is gone.
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We should have won the Superbowl and We are essentially the same team as last year with more quality depth, ie. Mcfadden. Let’s load up and take another shot at it.
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Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Problem is
paying Boldin & Fitz is going to crush the cap. Not to mention Boldin misses ar least 3-4 games a season and is getting older, ie more possible injuries. No one is going to deny the fact that he is a dynamic “football player” and a beast on the field. At some point you do have to stop living in the now and look to the future. That is why I say make a ONE TIME EXTENSION OFFER TO BOLDIN now and if he doesnt sign it keep him this year under his current contract and then trade him and his torn hammy, seperated shoulder, bruised thigh, turf toe, fractured hip, and broken face to an AFC team for a mid 1st and 3rd in the 2010 draft. Dont get me wrong Boldin is a baller, but this is a wise plan.
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Um, exactly what I was saying so I guess we are in agreeance, lol.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Breaston is not a star reciever,and Urban is average at best and will probably be cut this year to make room for Doucet.If you trade Boldin you better get someone who can play now,and i like Juanquin Iglesias,he’s got speed and great hands.He was real impressive in the combine and at his Pro Day workout.As far as the running backs that you listed.. McCoy and Brown.. were the best of the bunch.. the other guys were big disappointments at the Combine.Wells and Moreno had slow 40 times.And as far as what Whiz is going to do he is going offense( Center and TE.),in the first 2 rounds,he went defense last year.I believe He is going to rely on the guys he drafted last year to play up to their potential.
Teams don't need two 'star' receivers
And to think Boobs won’t cut it at a #2 in this offense or any other for that matter is ridiculous. With teams doubling up on Fitz, I have zero concern for Breaston and the gang handling the rest of the tosses. If Bodin is traded and they use one of the picks to draft a receiver, I would be very surprised.
by AJ BirdWatcher on Mar 28, 2009 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
I’ve been reading Rowdy’s comments as if he were Lt. Dangle of RowdyReno911.
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by AJ BirdWatcher on Mar 28, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Well they weren’t my picks. I linked to the site that did the mock and it’s all a computer based model driven by team needs and players order on a ‘big board.’
I don’t really agree though that we need to draft a WR though. With Fitz, Boobs, Urban and Doucet the top four are virtually set in stone and there are two more WRs on the practice squad. We pretty much drafted Q’s replacement, should he be traded, when they picked up Doucet last year.
I also don’t understand why the selections of Barwin and Wells would be so bad, considering that RB and OLB are two of the biggest needs, if not the biggest.
Give us you’re mock in this scenario though…..
Agreed with most of the picks except....
The 2nd round pick, I would like to see a TE drafted here if a good one is still available like a Jared cook, Chase Coffman, or James Casey. Or maybe go the DT route with Mitch Kind or Fili Moala at 63.
CBS sportsline has the Cardinals taking
Pettigrew. He is the best TE in the draft but I think we need a RB/OL/OLB first.
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if Pettigrew falls I hope we pick him up
he’s the complete tight end that Whiz dreams about when he lays his head on the pillow at night
Pettigrew would be a waste if an early pick. We have 5 TE under contract and 4 of the 5 have started games in the NFL. None of them are impressive but our passing game does not expect the TE to be heavily involved. What we need a TE for is in the run game. There are many more impact players to be had long before Pettigrew.
MBN
Agreed
Taking nothing away from Pettigrew (and he does like to block), TE is far from the top priority.
by AJ BirdWatcher on Mar 28, 2009 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't forget
All five are on one-year contracts; Pettigrew shows much more longterm upside than anyone on the roster and why our senior tight-end, er, head coach would likely snap him up. I doubt he’ll be there as someone will not deem him to be a “waste”.
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Correct, 5 tight ends are under contract
but do any of them compare to Pettigrew. We’ve got on tight end who’s capable as a receiver and pass catcher (Spach), one who can catch (Patrick), one who can block (Becht), one who can jump offsides (Pope) and one who’s never even dressed for a regular season game (Shor). What about that group says we shouldn’t draft a tight end, especially one who has the tools that Pettigrew has.
Hey, Shor dressed for every regular season game!
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There’s very little money invested in any of these guys (aside from Pope, Patrick, and Spach’s medical expenses) so drafting a TE makes a lot of sense. I recall TE being high on our list of needs for the draft during the regular season so why not take the best one in the draft if he’s available at 31? Particularly if Whisenhunt is pleased with Sendlein’s development.
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People may say
that we do not need a TE but Whiz still says there is concern for that position. If Pettigrew is there at 31 I could just see Whiz salivating at him possibly being drafted by us. I bet if he is available he will be all over Graves to draft him. From what I have seen of Pettigrew he reminds me a lot of Alge Crumpler when he was in his prime. A good blocker that had very good hands to catch the ball. Doesn’t have the speed to really out run anybody but he brings a lot to the Cards that they have been missing for awhile out of that position.
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Cards 5-round mock draft
I try to not be overly critical of anyone who tries to predict an entire round of the NFL draft, much less the first five, but I don’t see this draft scenario playing out at all. IF the Cards trade Boldin, I think it would involve a swap of first-round picks, and include a 1st or 2nd rounder next season, along with either an additional 2nd or 3rd this year. I don’t see the Cards doubling up late in round one, the projected value of players from 20-35 is too similar. If a trade occurred, then I could forsee one first round pick, two in the second, maybe two in the third (although I doubt it) and the rest of the draft picks remaining the same. In that scenario I could see them going with Pettigrew (if he falls to the late first round) and use the two picks they’d have in the second round on a running back and an OLB/DE. The idea of either Wells or Barwin coming here as a late first I think is very possible, but not both, even in a trade scenario.
The other disagreement I have, which seems to be echoed by many, is a safety in round 2, and a CB in round 5, and while I’m at it a center in round 3. They recently gave Sendelein a performance bonus, and signed Donovan Raiola. I can see wanting to upgrade Francisco, but not that early, and I think if Tony Fiammetta is available they will take him in round 5 as opposed to a DB. However, since it’s all speculation I did enjoy reading it, even if I don’t agree with most of it.
Sendlein’s bonus was a league thing, and Raiola is Training camp and practice squad fodder. He has never made an NFL team in his career. You can almost see from whom the Cards didn’t pick up in FA where they are looking in the draft. They havn’t brought in a legit center to challenge Sendlein, They haven’t replaced A. Smith at DE (depth behind CC), it is widely known that James is gone so RB, Beisel has not been replaced at ILB, and T. Smith has not been replaced at FB. People speak of OLB because the quality will be there at 31 and the cards need to get younger there. The Cards will look draft at these positions and then go post-draft FA vets to fill in the holes the draft didn’t fill. Also, everyone knows we brought in McFadden and R.Brown, and Adams, so no corner needs, but we foget they signed Lewis before FA started after the SF released him. Lewis is a solid strong safety. I have no clue why SF released him but you can see how fast the Cards picked him up. Counting Fransisco that gives us 5 safetys. My guess, from the moment Lewis was signed Fransisco’s days were numbered. Waste of a pick to draft any secondary unless they are late round project.
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Where has all this wisdom come from? I agree with most of your predictions. I think that since we have Justin Smith and Tim Castille we are done at the FB position until we get to the UDFAs. I doubt Terrelle Smith is back unless we don’t see enough from the other two to turn the corner. Justin can also be a short yadage runner like a Bettis, not just a traditional FB. He is more of a tweener than a traditional FB, but not like Ayenbadejo was. He just didn’t fit into our plans here. As for Lewis, he is rumored to be a poor man’s Roy Williams, a great hitter/tackler, but a liability in coverage. He’ll have to play a lot in the box if he is in during a regular series. But yes, Francisco’s days are numbered. And our UDFA from last year, Dennis Keyes, is a great hitter (not a great tackler) and much better in coverage. He will get some run especially if Francisco gets the boot.
Great points
I like just about everything you said mbn. Anything in the Secondary is a waste. I loved Fransisco in 07 but he was a dissapointment last year. He fouled up a few plays in the SB. I think they are going RB, O-Line, and OLB or NT in the first three rounds and then go with talent from there on out. But, I think Mccoy is the best pick for RB. He is a speedy back and a good complement to Hightower. Wells is the same body and run type as TH is doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to get him.
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Additional comment
I meant to make mention that I think an OG in round 3 or 4 is possible, somebody like Trevor Canfield from Cincinnati or if they unexpectedly slide, an Andy Levitre from Oregon State or Duke Robinson from Oklahoma. I know most “experts” have them going no later than round 2, somebody always drops a round later than expected.
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