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Off Season Thoughts: Trade Leinart; Boldin?

Disclaimer: This is not based off of any rumor or story as far as I know. This is strictly what us here at RotB have thought up, and are sharing with each other. Any feedback or suggestions are welcome. 

The 2009 NFL Draft is still a month and a half away, but we here Matt_leinart_mediumat Revengeofthebirds, like to think ahead. With the off season a week under way, the Arizona Cardinals have yet to add any key pieces, other then their own. With Warner out of the way, Rod Graves and management still have to situate the Anquan Boldin problem, along with resigning Adrian Wilson, Karlos Dansby, and Darnell Dockett all to long-term deals. They are all important factors to the defense, and are essential to the team staying consistant from last year. Aside from a special teams player in Keith Lewis, the Cardinals haven't signed any other players. I have wondered if Rod Graves has any tricks up his sleeves or any potential moves he is saving for later in the off season.

With Warner signing a 2 year deal that will pay him starter money, that leaves hollywood Matt, Matt Leinart on the bench for at least another year. Most here think he will be gone after his contract expires and that's completely reasonable. So why wouldn't the Cardinals try to get value out of him now? There are several scenarios that could play out as the draft gets closer, or even on draft day. First, is the Matt Leinart scenario:

  • Trade Matt Leinart and a 2rd round pick to the Detroit Lions for their 20th overall pick in the first round. That would shore up their quarterback need since Stafford seems to be the first overall pick by default. That would then allow them to draft Aaron Curry who would instantly become the leader of their defense. The Cardinals would have a chance to take Moreno, Wells, or McCoy at 20th, and then draft Mack at 31st, thus improving the running game and offensive line.

Of course, that is just many ways it could go down. The Lions may ask more for in exchange for their 1st round pick or not give it up at all. Even if the Cardinals were to only get a 2nd and a 3rd from the Lions instead, it would still give them a chance to draft more quality players. The Lions aren't the only team with a quarterback need but it would benefit them the most.

 

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Next up is the Anquan Boldin scenario. Hevchv broke down his own scenario earlier, by suggesting that we trade Boldin to the Cowboys, for Felix Jones, their 2nd and 4th picks of this year, and a 2010 1st round pick. Boldin has expressed that he wants out of Arizona or that he would like to be traded. Then he has said that he is willing to sign a long-term deal but wanted one no later then Tuesday of last week. The Cardinals obviously didn't offer one and now we are all waiting to here Boldin's next statement/complaint. Since the Cardinals didn't resign him when they had the chance, does this mean they don't plan on keeping him on the team? Or were they more concerned with resigning Warner? All I know is, Boldin could get a lot in return and fill needs via the draft. (Now, I'm a huge Boldin fan and love what he's done for the team over the years, but the fact is, he's made a big deal over this contract. Call it his agent or himself, but he's caused too much headache for the Cardinals and their fans.) That leads to the Anquan Boldin scenario:

  • Trade Anquan to either the Eagles, Bills (TO, really?!), or Chiefs for a 1st, 3rd, and 6th round pick. All three of the teams need a dominant receiver. Out of the three, the Eagles would be the most likely since they are desperate for a franchise receiver and Donovan McNabb has asked for one. Being similar to the first scenario, the Cardinals would then have 2 first round picks to draft a running back and offensive lineman. They would also have more picks later on, to draft players where depth is needed. This scenario would obviously give the Cardinals more value then the Matt Leinart trade.

You can rule out trading Boldin to the Jaguars, Titans, and Vikings, as the Cardinals play them next year, along with any NFC West teams for obvious reasons. The deal isn't asking too much since the Cowboys got a much less talented receiver in Roy Williams, for almost the same amount of picks from the Cowboys in 2008.

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These are just a few thoughts and are nothing serious. If either one were to happen, or even both, I certainly wouldn't have a problem with it. Feel free to send any angry comments to CG or Hawkwind, comment me if you have your own opinions about this subject. Of course, we always welcome any ideas. What are some other potential trades or deals that you wouldn't mind seeing? What should the Cardinals do with players that need new contracts?

Poll
What would you like to see the Cardinals do?
Trade Matt Leinart and a 2nd for a 1st round pick.
129 votes
Trade Anquan Boldin for a 1st, 3rd, and a 6th.
68 votes
Make both trades happen.
109 votes
Neither. This poll is ridiculous.
132 votes

438 votes | Poll has closed

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LOVE IT!

I love the idea of sending Leinart to Detroit for their late first round pick. I wouldnt want to have to give up our second round pick with him though. Maybe a 5th round or later. If that doesnt happen what about shipping Boldin to the Giants for Bradshaw & a 2nd rounder (maybe this would have had to happen before Ward signed elsewhere)?

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by sc464 on Mar 5, 2009 10:58 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't like the idea of losing a 2nd also but..

I’m sure most teams are sceptical of whether or not Leinart could be a capable franchise QB still.

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by Andrew602 on Mar 5, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by Andrew602 on Mar 5, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade the beerbong itself for a 7th

The thing is legendary at this point. Might make the HOF someday. lol

by AJ BirdWatcher on Mar 6, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

::snicker::

It’s the first thing that pops up on an image search of Leinart on Google.

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by Hawkwind on Mar 6, 2009 12:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The Jets could be another option. Not sure how the trade would work but they could use a QB.


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by LAcardsfan on Mar 5, 2009 11:14 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Leinart for Pace? ::snicker::

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by Hawkwind on Mar 5, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They DO

need a QB, too…

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 5, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome -- hypothecitcal Thursday

If I’m Rod Graves, here’s what I dream about as I lay my head down at night……..

- First I trade Leinart. I still believe he can and will be a quality starter in this league but he’s got more value to the Cardinals as trade bait than as a backup QB. He’s about to turn 26, which means that he’ll be 28 before he becomes the starting QB for the Cardinals. For that reason I trade him and get as much as you can for him. I like your idea of shipping him to Detroit for their 20th overall pick. The Lions are probably the best option for us to trade him to so if all else fails I’ll take the 33rd overall pick as a backup plan. That gives them at least two picks in the first 33 where they pick the two best out of the available RBs, OLs or OLBs. With Leinart gone though we’d need a backup QB and luckily there are plenty available who can still play including Byron Leftwich, Jeff Garcia, Charlie Batch, Kyle Boller or even Sexxy Rexxy. Granted I wouldn’t want any of those guys as a starter but they’d all look great on the sideline next to BSP with a clipboard and a backwards hat.

- Second, I’d make one and only one offer to Boldin and I’d make it as early as tomorrow. It would be around TJ Howsyourmama’s contract of 5 years at 40 (as I think someone already mentioned). If he doesn’ take the bait, I’d trade him before the draft. The only difference I’d make from your suggestions Andrew is that I wouldn’t rule any team, except for the NFC West, out of the possibilities. If the trade goes down, then we’ve got more draft picks than we know what to do with and we can all kind of picks or moves up or down to get whoever we want.

- Third and I’d only dream this up after a hard night of hitting the sauce, I’d package Boldin and Leinart and send them to a team like the Vikings, Jets, Bills, Texans, Bears, Bucs or Lions (basically any team that could use a QB and WR) and my asking price would be……..drum roll please……….they’re entire draft (unless it’s the Lions and then I’d leave them their #1 overall). Ok, so maybe I’m really getting carried away now.

Crazy thoughts or a plan that would build a dynasty (well at least until KW hangs up his cape)?

by Bezekira on Mar 5, 2009 11:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

- Third and I’d only dream this up after a hard night of hitting the sauce, I’d package Boldin and Leinart and send them to a team like the Vikings, Jets, Bills, Texans, Bears, Bucs or Lions (basically any team that could use a QB and WR) and my asking price would be……..drum roll please……….they’re entire draft (unless it’s the Lions and then I’d leave them their #1 overall). Ok, so maybe I’m really getting carried away now.

Oh? Is Mike Ditka coaching again?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 5, 2009 11:40 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Flashbacks.

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by Andrew602 on Mar 5, 2009 11:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey,

it was a great deal for the Redskins.

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Only concern

is we will still need a QB of the future if we trade Leinart. That would mean using next years 1st on a QB (this years QB’s suck anyways). How do we go about getting a mid-first round pick without trading Boldin though?
Could we trade Detroit Leinart and our 2010 1st round pick for their 2nd round this year and 1st next year??

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by sc464 on Mar 5, 2009 11:57 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Sam Bradford?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

a bust

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by sc464 on Mar 5, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Riley

I love Riley the QB from Central Washington in the mid rounds, 3rd-5th round. Developmental guy that can learn from Warner.
1st round QB’s are more miss than hit. See Leinart, Matt.

by KDean75 on Mar 5, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

mid rounders are more misses than 1st rounders

just not as highly publicized. Then there’s Brady, who eveone and thier mom knows where he went in the draft.

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by einman77 on Mar 5, 2009 5:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

but at least you only used a mid round pick as opposed to a high pick. That’s better, no?

by KDean75 on Mar 6, 2009 5:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

I actually believe in Matt Leinart, He has the potential to be good. Give him a chance

by Thundarr on Mar 5, 2009 3:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

welcome Thundarr to RotB.

Matt is good I agree. However not good enough to supplant Kurt as the starter. Probably not even a 39-40 year old Kurt so we need to trade him now while his value is at its highest. Andrew love the thread. I want Q gone. I only wanted Kurt gone for salary cap reasons, but he is clearly our best chance to win. However, we did prove that we could play well and win without Q. Will it last a full season. No, but if the run game comes around, then we will more than compensate for his loss. And if we trade him, all those extra picks will definitely help. I would guess his market right now is a 1st, 3rd and 5th or even a 1st and 2nd. The latter would be a pipe dream, but I would bet teams would at least look at it.

by hevchv on Mar 5, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You really think

Leinart’s value is “at its highest” right now?

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by DbacksSkins on Mar 5, 2009 6:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, if he starts playing and gives up 80 bazillion INTs then we would get nothing for him.

Right now it seems as if he barely got beat out by the almost season and SB MVP. Plus he is still young and there is a lot of mystery about him.

by hevchv on Mar 5, 2009 6:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's as high as it's going to get right now

unless of course KW goes down and Matt plays lights out but in that case we probably don’t trade him at all b/c KW probably won’t see the second year and Matty is the new QB. If he comes in and plays terrible or just mediocre then his value drops and we might not get much at all.

So basically, if we’re going to trade him……now is the time.

by Bezekira on Mar 6, 2009 8:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Leinart and Boldin

What team would not want both players. Sign and Trade them both to extended contracts and then package them both for a 1st this year and a 3rd, plus a DE or LB, and 2nd next year.

by californiadon on Mar 5, 2009 5:06 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome Californiadon...

I agree that would get rid of our baggage and shore up any holes that we have.

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by Andrew602 on Mar 5, 2009 5:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I love how most people picked: Neither. This poll is ridiculous.

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by Andrew602 on Mar 5, 2009 5:32 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think the idea is ridculous in that you won't get full value

but if you leave Leinart on the bench for 2 years, he probably won’t sign here again. He is a capable quarterback, and no one has seen him play any meaningful time since he was being switched out every other drive 2 seasons ago. He is a good talent, and his learning curve has been slowed a bit by spending all his time on the bench. He’s about to enter the prime age for a QBs career. He’s mature and used to the speed of the players, though maybe not game speed yet. Someone will take him. You will lose him if Warner is playing through the end of his contract. Might as well get something for him.

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by einman77 on Mar 5, 2009 6:07 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

+2

we might not get FULL value but if he sits on the bench for two seasons, we’ll get NO value.

by Bezekira on Mar 6, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The trading of Boldin is

a good idea because you have two other capable recievers on your team. And you might as well trade him while his stock is sky high. Leinart is the successor after Warner. Unless you see a QB worth getting in next years draft.

by Igglesfan13 on Mar 5, 2009 9:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

You think Leinart will stay?

He’s 28. His contract ends the same time as Warner’s. He could lose 10s of millions on his next contract if he is judged soley on what he did in his second season as a part time starter and a big 3 year question mark. I would be surprised if he isn’t at least asking to be dealt in the next few months. You also gotta factor in the fragility of QBs egos, and the fact that he was a top rated quarterback coming out of college headed into the prime years of his career. He swallowed his pride last season well. This development seems adds a whole new dimension on top of a difficult situation. The kid is a pro athlete and wants a shot. What kind of career stats will he put up riding pine until he’s 28? I really think the Cardinals made a choice between the 2, and they have to give up the one they didn’t choose.

On a side note, I would love to see them trade Boldin for the Eagles 28th pick, and say a 4th rounder. A 1st, 3rd and 6th is asking way too much.

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by einman77 on Mar 5, 2009 9:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

way off

you have to be kidding. you think a 1, 3, and 6 are too much?? Isnt that what R.W. got? Boldin is better than R.W. I would still take that though for Boldin.

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by sc464 on Mar 5, 2009 9:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

yep

I think just about everyone including Jerry Jones knows that he bent over and got…..well you know…..on that trade. I think a one and just about about any other pick is reasonable.

by Bezekira on Mar 6, 2009 9:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Eagles are one receiver down

Eagles traded Greg Lewis (nothing special) to Patriots for a fifth round pick. More than ever they need a WR and they have a LOT of draft picks (2 in the first round & 4 in the 5th round). Maybe trade Boldin for one of their 1st rounders, a fifth rounder and a 2010 2nd or 3rd rounder?

Use our 2 firsts to pick up Mack and an OLB and then draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd.

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by sc464 on Mar 6, 2009 8:04 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

forgot to mention

the thing that sucks about this is then he is in the NFC still…

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by sc464 on Mar 6, 2009 8:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the exact same thing when I saw the trade

why else would a team that needs recievers trade one away? I think they have ten draft picks now and I could see them parting with two or three to add Q as a great compliment to the burner DeSean Jackson.

by Bezekira on Mar 6, 2009 9:05 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That certainly would be a good tandem.

And I’m sure McNabb would love it.

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by Andrew602 on Mar 6, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Trades

Leinart should stay in Arizona as he knows he has a good chance to play this year or the next. He is the insurance policy for if Kurt gets injured. Likely to happen with Kurt as he has never completed back to back seasons staying healthy. There isn’t much depth in the draft for QB. I only think someone like Rhett Bomar has some potential to learn in the NFL. So I doubt any trade could be made unless they get a better draft pick for him this year. Maybe the Lions would take him but it would be a hard sale.

From what I can gather on Anquan I think he is done playing for the Cardinals. I only say this because he has stated numerous times that he is unhappy, he is holding great value in a trade for draft picks, and they have put him as a less important deal to work on. Arizona wouldn’t even give him the $2 million from Kurt’s offer and that tells me much more. Why not at least give him the extra couple million unless they are holding out for a trade. They need to wrap up some better deals with defensive players like Dansby and Wilson and pay some more to other guys so not much room left for a big check to Q. I really think that the Giants are downplaying it but they have picks to give up and if Plax doesn’t make it back for a full season I see a trade. Eli to Boldin looked like it worked in the Pro Bowl so it may work in regular games. We are deep to fill in at WR2 with Breaston and Doucet if he stays healthy. Maybe it doesn’t happen but it looks more likely.

by kj197728 on Mar 6, 2009 11:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget Kurt did get hurt last year, but he didn’t miss a game when he was inserted as the starter. And did Kurt’s offer go up? I thought he only offered $1 mil to go back to Q. We definitely can do without Q. We have a #1 in Fitz and then three #3s in Boobs, Early and Urban. We’re in good hands (sorry, I couldn’t resist).

by hevchv on Mar 7, 2009 8:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Option

Why trade Leinart or Boldin? Why not trade both? Leinart would be a good fit in SF, since they are obviously looking for a QB, so instead of Warner they get Warner Light and the fans in southern Cal would like to see the boy from USC return home. We could even swap for Alex Smith. Smith would probably like an opportunity to play for a winning team and learn from a future hall of fame QB and Leinart would just be happy getting a chance to play and party at home.

Boldin can bring alot of talent and opportunities to the Cards if traded. It’s not like most teams, where there is the No1 and No2 receiver. Don’t forget Breaston is a hell of a receiver and has better size. Besides, he himself had over 1,000 yards as a No3 and played very well in Boldin’s absence, when he was injured. I don’t think we drastically change our team’s offense by trading Boldin and his departure could help bring many needed additions.

Whatever the Cards do, I just hope they get good value on any move they make. Lets not give up any of these guys for low draft picks. I would hate to wake up and see that they traded Leinart and Boldin to KC for a second round pick. I mean, who would be dumb enough to do that?

by coachtiny on Mar 7, 2009 2:17 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Leinart would not likely go to a NFC West team in a trade.

A Boldin trade seems the most logical option but the Cards FO states Q is part of the core they want to retain. I’m all for that if they can keep him happy monetarily. Fitz, Q, and Boobs can make Warner’s successor look good no matter who that QB is. The issue is how much money does the team tie up in WRs?

The Patriots seem to have been “robbed” but think about it: Cassel was a 7th round pick, Vrabel is in his last year and is losing a step already; getting a second round pick and $18 M of cap relief? Seems fair to me. Have fun negotiating Cassel and Vrabel’s new contracts Pioli.

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by Hawkwind on Mar 7, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

make james and boldin play out their contracts

learn the difference between then and than…………then write an article DIPSTICK

by neil lomax on Mar 7, 2009 4:20 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Never knew Lomax to be a douchebag.

by Cardinal_Fang on Mar 9, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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