Arizona Cardinals News: Is Karlos Dansby Worthy of James Harrison's Money
by Hawkwind on Apr 14, 2009 9:57 AM MDT
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PrintRegardless of how much we'd like to ignore the situation, every time a top tier linebacker receives a new contract we'll have to talk about how, if at all, it effects Karlos Dansby's situation with the Arizona Cardinals. Such is the case this week with the signing of James Harrison, reigning Defensive Player of the Year, to a six year deal worth $51.5 million over the next six seasons (with a cool $20 million in guarantees). Now I understand that they don't play the same position and that Dansby's resume would pail in comparison to Harrison's past two seasons but make no doubt about it, Karlos Dansby is looking for that kind of pay day (if not more).
There haven't been any developments in the Dansby's search for a new agent, which also means that there hasn't been any progress towards a new contract, but his old agent is talking. Kirk Wood, Dansby's former agent, has reportedly said that there was a framework in place for a six to seven year deal similar to the one that Bart Scott signed with the Jets (6 years for $48 million) at the beginning of free agency. The deal supposedly had somewhere around $22 million in guarantees and $12 to $14 million in the first year of the contract, but of course we all know that Dansby fired Wood shortly after negotiations started. The real question is, why?
Does he want even more money? If Dansby is looking for a more lucrative contract that Scott received, I wouldn't imagine that Harrison's contract changes anything. While the specifics of his deal have not been released yet, Harrison barely received more 'overall' money (what's $3.5 million over 6 years really?) and he actually received less 'guaranteed' money, so one could argue that Scott actually holds better contract. The bottom line is that if Dansby wasn't happy with Scott's contract, he won't be happy with Harrison's contract either.
Does he even want to sign a new deal this year? As we heard last week, Dansby has said he wouldn't mind making a 'splash' in free agency next year with the possibility of an uncapped NFL. We're not ones to start conspiracy theories and it's probably a reach to say that Dansby fired his agent because he was close to completely a deal but the timing certainly raises some questions. The fact that he hasn't hired a new agent raises even more questions because I highly doubt that he's representing himself at the bargaining table and the Cardinals are facing a mid-July deadline to re-sign him.
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The Cardinals find themselves between a rock and hard place with Karlos Dansby but right now they're hands are tied. Not only can they not negotiate terms but Dansby seems content with testing the free agent waters next off season. So what are the odds of seeing Dansby in a Cardinals jersey in 2010?
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I think
Dansby is looking for more than this from what I have heard from him. Personally I don’t think Dansby is worth more than 8 mil a year but apparently he thinks he is. He also thinks he is one of the top five LBs in the league which he is not but what I think doesn’t really matter because it would not change what Dansby thinks. I think Dansby is looking forward to the big payday next year and as I see it we have 3 options.
1) Trade him
2) Keep a highly motivated player that is playing for that huge payday next year.
3) Overpay for him and not know which Dansby will show up, the one that doesn’t really seem to show up that much or the one that played like someone that cares about the sport.
Either of the 1st two would be ok with me but the 3rd option is what scares me as he hasn’t even gone to the pro bowl and he is acting like he is the best player in the league right now. If we traded him for a later 1st rounder we could draft someone like James Luarnitis to replace him and we would have enough money left over to resign Boldin and Wilson.
Nice plan
I think we should stick with #2 and then let him go after his “splash”.
But I would trade him if it was for a 1st pick this year, as this class is loaded with defensive talent.
Dont know if this link has ever been posted but...
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=535708
This guy posted the top 10 players that need to be traded and has Karlos Dansby at 7. Kind of an interesting article.
I would like to go with option #2 also but if we can get a two first day pick, has to be 1st and maybe 3rd, I would do it.
I don't think we could get a 1st and 3rd out of Dansby
I think he’s worth a 1st, but if we’re looking for two picks could get a 2nd and 5th or 6th.
He may think he’s in the top 5 LB’s in the league, but there hasn’t been an equivalent trade for two picks regarding a LB of his value that wasn’t player for player and a pick.
Maybe he could tackle the globe too
I also like the first two options though I doubt we would trade him. I think we will have him for 1 last year. If he plays well he will go test the market. I doubt he will sign a deal anywhere near what he’s dreaming about. I expect the economy to be in even worse shape at this time next year which will affect the NFL significantly. We might see something similar to the Chicago bears Lance Briggs situation. Where he went out looking for big money only to resign with the bears after not finding what he was looking for.
He should keep in mind that if he doesn’t sign this offseason and sustains any kind of semi serious injury next year his value will plummet. He’s obviously worked very hard to get where he is today and I can’t blame him for trying to cash in, but he could sign a very fair deal tomorrow that would have him set for life.
Personally I like what Dhani Jones is doing. Using his semi celebrity status to launch a career in television. Thats the kind of thinking that will keep your kids fed long after his football days are done
by CardsDefense on Apr 14, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone might
be crazy enough to give him what he is asking for. My bet is it would be the Redskins, Cowboys, or Raiders. All the money the Skins gave Haynesworth this year probably did not help with the Cards resigning Dansby.
I agree
Snyder, Jones and Davis are salivating at next year’s uncapped free agent class. Dansby will break the bank and while I am happy for him, I just can’t see the Cards matching those owner’s numbers.
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someone should tell Dansby he needs some skins on the wall before he becomes a diva
Hmm, Harrison and Scott have combined for 3 pro bowls and 3 all pro seasons and one defensive player of the year award while Dansby’s career high water mark is being an alternate on a pro bowl squad after the only 100+ tackle season of his career. If the Cardinals are really willing to put 50 million w/ 20 million guaranteed on the table then he needs to wake up recognize a pay day when he sees it. What if he tweaks a knee early in the season and misses even six games? Much lesser pay day. Is the extra couple of million he must be holding out for really worth that kind of risk?
Then again just play your freaking heart out and then go get money whipped by a bottom feeder.
I think
the Cards are willing to give him that contract but the way he talks that seems no where near what he wants. From what I gather and tell me if I am the only one that thinks this but it seems he want QB type money which the Cards better not give him because he is not worth it.
He was a third rounder in the first place!
I like the Steelers’ mentality when it comes to letting players walk. If he is being unreasonable about signing his contract, let him walk and get someone else in there who will perform. Everyone knows the heart of our defense is Adrian Wilson and he should be our first priority, way over Dansby. When he was out a couple of years ago our defense went to shit. He hasn’t been pissing and moaning about a new contract either, he knows his day will come. Pay Boldin too! If Fitz and Warner are willing to take a cut to get him back out there, do it.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Dansby was drafted
with the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Only reason he fell past the 1st was because of question surrounding him about his work ethic and his ambitions to play hard which in his first 3 season here those questions were still there and I still have those question about him because he has been playing for a contract the last 3 years.
That's right I was thinking of D.Dockett...
I still don’t think he’s worth what he is asking.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Whiz, Grimm = Steelers west
I am with you we need to have that Steelers menality and let him walk let him play this season squeeze all the juice you can out of a player like that then cut your ties. and i really would feel a lot more comfortable if we signed A dub to a long term contract see him retire as a Cardinal, he really is the heart and soul of the D and solidifies our secondary. I know they are waiting till after the draft to start resigning these guys (Q and Adub) but man it just doesn’t have a good vibe.
+1
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
in response to the title of this post....
NO!
Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.
Dansby=Tony Gonzalez
We need a real tight end. Call up Clancy and Todd, they love Dansby, and trade him straight up for TG. We draft a LB and give Derrick Brooks a call for some more veteran LB depth. That way we don’t have to watch Dansby all year, probably play into his first pro-bowl, and then watch him leave at the end of the year anyway because then he’ll have more ammunition for a big contract. Rather get TG into the mix with Q and Fitz, and let Dansby rot in KC.
Clancy would be all over that one
I’m not a huge fan of the idea though. Dansby is in his prime, TG is on the downswing.
by AJ BirdWatcher on Apr 14, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
True
Dansby is in his prime, and having him play like a contract year while trying to repeat can only help the defense.
But the question becomes which player would be the biggest difference maker?
Add to that the fact the LB talent is quite high in this year’s draft, and I think it increases the benefits of this idea.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a TG fan
And I agree they would both be difference makers for their teams. Unfortunately though, I think the biggest difference maker in the deal would be the ‘hole’ left in the front seven this season without Dansby.
by AJ BirdWatcher on Apr 14, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
Without reshaping the draft strategy entirely to focus on LB’s, with the current need staring them in the face, they don’t need to open up that can of worms.
Back to the let him work hard in a contract year idea for me.
TG would be much more of a difference maker if Leinart was the QB
KW has never relied on or even utilized a TE during his career. I like TG but I wouldn’t trade Dansby for him.
Agreed
If we were to trade TG for Danby I would want some draft picks in return also for him. Maybe throw in a 3rd or 4th pick with him. By the time KW retires and hands the ball of to Leinart I bet TG will be getting ready to retire also. This trade really doesn’t make sense for us so might as well not do it.
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