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ROTB All-Cardinal Team: Fullbacks

Before we move onto other positions, congrats to Ottis Anderson for taking a comanding lead for the All-time running backs. He and Charlie Trippi will be added as the running backs on the All-Cardinal team. In the process of presenting the Cardinals' All-time Running Backs (think "halfback") a number of great players were believed to be errors of omission for not being included in that article.  Those players would find their way to the RotB All-Cardinal Team: Fullbacks vote.  With the decline of terms such as "tailback" and "halfback" and fullbacks becoming little more than blockers it's easy to forget that fullbacks once had a prominent part of a football team's offensive schemes.  Do the names Larry Csonka, Franco Harris, and Jim Brown ring a bell?  Fullbacks, all of them and the Cardinals have some great fullbacks of their own, mErnienevers_mediumany from those "old-school" days and even from more recent Cardinals history.

Ernie Nevers   Five-time NFL All-Pro, 26 Rushing TD, 3 FG, 34 XPM, Hall of Fame '63 (NFL records from that era are fragmented and his total yards with the Cardinals isn't known)

Ernie Nevers has been described by some as the greatest football athlete ever.  In fact, his college coach (none other than "Pop" Warner at Stanford University) claims that he was better than Jim Thorpe as he "had all of Thorpe's talent but tried harder".  Nevers was a multi-sport star, playing professional basketball and baseball (gave up two of Babe Ruth's 60 homeruns during the 1927 season) before the Duluth Eskimos lured him to the NFL with a then record $15,000 annual salary.  He was the epitome of "ironman" missing all of 27 minutes of the Eskimos' 1926 season, a season that included 29 games, 28 of which were on the road.  Nevers joined the Chicago Cardinals in 1929 and still holds the NFL record for most points scored in a game with 40 points against the Chicago Bears that first season (six touchdowns and four extra points), a record that has lasted 80 years and will likely never be broken.  Nevers played fullback and was the headcoach in his final two years with Chicago before wear and tear finally caught up with him.  He may have played only five years in the league but his talent was so amazing he had no problem entering the Hall of Fame in the Ollie_matson_mediuminaugural class of 1963.

Ollie Matson  3331 yards on 761 carries (4.4 yards/carry), 24 TD; 2150 yards on 160 receptions, 16 TD; 6 kick return TD, 3 punt return TD,  8459 all purpose yards; 6 Pro-Bowls, 5 NFL All-Team, Hall of Fame '72.

Ollie Matson was the lone bright spot for the 1950's Chicago Cardinals (28-58-3 
during his tenure with one winning season in '56).  Originally drafted as a fullback and earning Rookie of the Year honours in 1952 in that capacity (had two INTs on defense too!), Matson was better known as playing as a left-winger (halfback) in the T-formation.  Matson was also a beast with the return game, averaging 28.5 yards on kick-offs and 10.9 yards on punt returns.  The former #1 overall pick was traded to the Rams for nine players after the '58 season (Bidwell Curse:  '59 team finished a half-game worse at 2-10 then moved to St. Louis) and played for eight more seasons. 

Jim Otis 3,863 yards on 1,011 carries (3.8 yards/carry),19 TD; 268 Jimotis2_mediumyards on 45 receptions, 1 TD; Pro-Bowl '75 (1,076 rshing yards that season)

Jim Otis started his career with the Saints and Chiefs before finding a home in St. 
Louis.  Up to this point he was considered a "bust" and was expected to little more than support for Donny Anderson and Terry Metcalf.  Instead, Otis lead the Cardinals in rushing in perhaps their second best regular season peformance of 11-3 while helping Metcalf to 816 yards.  Otis continued to be a solid fullback for the Cardinals through 1978, gaining 664 yards in his last season before Wayne Morris took over. 

Larry Centers - 1,736 yards on 517 carries (3.4 yards/carry), 10 TD; 4,539 Larry_centers_mediumyards on 535 receptions (8.5 yards/catch), 19 TD; Two-time Pro Bowl.

Larry Centers was the face of the franchise, at least on offense, of the Cardinals in the '90's as the team attempted to find success in the Valley of the Sun.  Centers wasn't a threat to run the ball but was a major weapon on third downs when the pressure came and the QB had to dump it off.  Centers kept the chains moving and kept the fans cheering for a score, part of his allure to Arizona fans over the years.  He had back-to-back 1,000 yards from scrimmage years in '95 and '96 (Pro Bowl years) with career highs in receiving yards (962 yards in '95) and rushing (425 yards in '96).  Centers finally tasted success with the Plummer-led '98 team but was one of many lost in the '99 roster purge.  After stops in Washington and Buffalo, Centers earned a championship ring with the New England Patriots in '03.


Honorable Mentions: Marshall Goldberg ('39-'48), 2,419 total scrimmage yards (tsy), 16 TD; Earl Ferrell ('82-'89) 4,578 tsy, 32 TD; Wayne Morris ('76-'83) 4,545 tsy, 42 TD total; Pat Harder ('46-'50) 2,881 tsy, 38 TD, Pro-Bowl 1950.

Poll
Who is the Arizona Cardinals All-Time Fullback?
Ernie Nevers
19 votes
Ollie Matson
14 votes
Jim Otis
18 votes
Larry Centers
95 votes
Honorable Mention (specify in comment)
4 votes

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Ernie Nevers "lost" practice footage

Never knew that Duluth, Iowa looked so much like SoCal…

Ernie Nevers tribute inspired by Leatherheads

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 5, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty sweet.

Can I change my vote? I wonder who that kid was? Did he have a son? If so it’d be interesting to see if he was still alive.

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by Red Reign on Apr 5, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn’t really Ernie, but an actor and his son doing a “tribute” video in the vein of the movie “Leatherheads”. Still, a fun bit of video to watch and a great way to showcase Nevers’ contributions to the sport when it was just starting to gain some clout professionally. The fact that he played the Rose Bowl with two broken ankles just amazes me. Ernie Nevers’ HoF Page is worth the look. Scoring 40 points in a single game, that’s a record that will never be broken. I know, never say never, but to think a single player would have score seven TDs in a game to break it seems prett unlikely in the NFL. Maybe in Arena Football.

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 5, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact it was an actor failed to reach me.

My apologies. Of course I spent about 7 hours at the bar yesterday for basketball and then a friend’s band performed. I’m still licking my wounds.

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by Red Reign on Apr 5, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering when I tried to confirm some of the factoids on the Web. Pictures didn’t jive.

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 5, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, Nevers is the fella rolling on the ground in front of the ref (yeah, the guy that looks like an English professor). It was hard to find a Cardinals photo of him as most of his publicity shots were with the Eskimos. That’s the Polo Grounds against the Giants in ’29. Full image since I had to clip it to fit:

Yeah…I voted Nevers. :P

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by Hawkwind on Apr 5, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

L.Centers all the way.

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by boogatt66 on Apr 5, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't vote for Nevers

It’s hard to vote for a player that only spent two years with the Cards, especially without knowing his statistics for those two years. Meanwhile, two facts about Centers not mentioned is that he holds the NFL record for receptions by a running back (101 in ’95), and held the career record for receptions by a non-WR until Tony Gonzalez broke it in 2008. If this were “Best NFL player that happened to play for the Cardinals” my vote might be different, but the fact that most of both records was achieved with the Cardinals, as well as being the face of the Cardinals for most of the ’90s, gives him my vote

by CardsFan76 on Apr 5, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevers played three years as fullback, was head coach for two of those three years too. And played defense. And wore a thin piece of leather on his head. And has the oldest surviving NFL record in the books. Centers won’t see the Hall of Fame until the Senior Selection Committee shoos him in in 2035. Nevers has been there since it was created. ;-)

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 5, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something is off, then

The factoid above says he played 5 years, but started in the NFL in ’26 and joined the Cards in ’29. If he played 3 with the Cards that means 6 years (three before and three with).

Regardless, it’s still only 3 years, and only half his career – we still don’t know how much of his stats were with the Cards, and this isn’t “the Best Football Player who was a Cardinal”, it’s the “All-Cardinal” team, so just being in the Hall of Fame isn’t that important – that’s why Emmitt Smith isn’t the “All-Cardinal” RB. Hard to justify putting a player who only played 3 years with uncertain Cardinal stats over a player who played for 9 years in his prime, set Cardinals and NFL records, and was the face of the team for so long.

by CardsFan76 on Apr 5, 2009 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't play in '28.

HoF site says he was injured, another site said it was because the Eskimos folded.

Well, I’ll look you up in ‘35 CF76 and we’ll see how many NFL fans know who Larry Centers is versus Ernie Nevers. I guess I’m just too traditional about fullbacks. Give me a Tom Rathman or Mike Alstott over an undersized tight-end coming out of the backfield. ::shrugs:: But I’ll take an undersized tight-end coming out of the backfield over Joel Makovicka! Wow, I found a picture of him when he wasn’t fumbling:

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 6, 2009 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes more sense now, thks

I’ll be glad to hear from you in ‘35, but honestly, I don’t and won’t care how many NFL fans in general know either player. Since it’s the “All Cardinals” team, we’ll compare notes about how many Cardinals fans know either player, and it’ll be decided then, and you can buy me a beer for being right (or perhaps a geritol would be more appropriate). But it’s all just opinion and preference (even if mine are better than yours). :)

And LOL about Joel Makovicka. :)

by CardsFan76 on Apr 6, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also know Nevers is the best shot of getting a Cardinal from the '20's on the All-Team list. :P

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 6, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

let me get this straight

A guy that’s gone to the Pro Bowl twice is beating a guy that went to 6 Pro Bowls, was All NFL 5 times and in the Hall of Fame?

Yep, makes sense.

by KDean75 on Apr 6, 2009 8:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That was my initial reaction as well

until I realized that he only played 2 seasons for the Cardinals. Had I not overlooked that, I would have voted for Centers.

Using that logic, we might as well have named Emmit Smith as the Cardinals all-time Running Back.

by AJ BirdWatcher on Apr 6, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Pro Bowls aside, Centers stats are more impressive to me, especially when you consider he was a FULLBACK! But really Centers should be considered for the Hall of Fame.

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by Andrew602 on Apr 6, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played for the Cards from 1952-1958, not 2 years.

And your logic is off as Emmitt sucked while he was a Card.

by KDean75 on Apr 6, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ollie Matson was one of those "where does he go" backs

He could have been on the Halfback/Running Back segment but ended up on the Fullback list. He won Rookie of the Year (shared it actually) as a fullback in ‘52 before the Cards went to the T-formation and played “LH” ’54-’58 (didn’t play in ‘53). He was a Pro-Bowler every single season as a Cardinal which is pretty amazing. Clearly our All-Time winners hail from the “what have you done for me lately” mentality, which is understandable. It’s hard to imagine the accomplishments of a player without visual proof, regardless of how impressive the stats (or anecdotes) are.

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Apr 6, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a lot of that, I'm sure

“It’s hard to imagine the accomplishments of a player without visual proof”

Not just the accomplishments, but the impact to the team and the organization as well. Many have direct recollection of what Centers meant to the team and organization outside of his performance on the field, but not many know the same about Nevers and Matson.

Plus, it’s difficult to compare accolades across generations – as the initial description says, "With the decline of terms such as “tailback” and “halfback” and fullbacks becoming little more than blockers it’s easy to forget that fullbacks once had a prominent part of a football team’s offensive schemes. " The role of the fullback has been de-emphasized as an offensive option so drastically it’s hard to compare, because the older fullbacks would have gotten more positive attention (as offensive weapons always do).

Myself, I’m not focusing on the stats and accolades as much as I am actually being a “Cardinal”, and no one epitomized that more in the 90’s than Centers did. I don’t know whether Nevers or Matson represented the same during their periods (which is my shortcoming, I know), but since Centers’ stats as a Cardinal can compare somewhat to theirs, including his Cardinals and NFL records which were inexplicably not mentioned, he has to get my vote.

by CardsFan76 on Apr 6, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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