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Why hiring Dennis Green was the best move the Cards ever made

Ok stick with me on this one, In my opinion hiring Dennis Green was the best move in the history of the Arizona Cardinals.  Denny was a cheerleader for drafting Fitz.  If Green was not around who do we draft, Roethlisberger? A fine player in his own right but I think he was the right player at the right time for the Steelers,  My guess with the Cardinals O line at the time he would have been flat on his back too many times.  And out of the League or being a back up in Houston by now if he was originally drafted in AZ.  Of couse Warner never would have been signed either.  If Big Ben was on the Cardinals than he and Whisenhunt never would had their dispute in the steel city and Whiz would probably be the head coach in Pittsburgh right now.  I am sure coach Grimm would be right there in the burgh with him. 

 

Ok the record under coach Green sucked, the team was disgraced with the Chicago temper tantrum.  I am certained if he was retained the birds would still be terible, but without the hiring and eventual firing of Mr Green  I don't think anyone would be using the words "Defending NFC Champions" and "Arizona Cardinals"  in the same sentance. 

 

So call me nuts but I extend a big Revenge of the Birds thank you to Coach Green and his contributions to the team. 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.

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I know it's fun to mock Green but he did an awful lot to build this team

Consider that he was only here three years and in that short time he drafted Larry Fitzgerald, Karlos Dansby, Darnell Dockett, Antonio Smith, Antrel Rolle, Gabe Watson, Deuce Lutui and some other decent role players like JJ, Elton Brown and Leinart. His ‘04 draft has to be one of the best in franchise history. I’ll certainly give him credit for doing something with all those top ten picks.

by Bezekira on Jun 15, 2009 1:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Credit due yes but,.....

Green did a good job drafting guys yes but what about development & leadership? There-in lies the problem with Denny. I mean look at what he did witht the Vikings. Took a talented team to the playoffs 2 years in a row but that team was already in place.

I give him credit for SOME smart draft picks but (given some guys that never turned out) but zero cred as a coach.

Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.

by sc464 on Jun 15, 2009 1:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Sorry Tb, do not agree

He made some good draft picks, most notably Larry Fitz, however he was a terrible coach, he wasted this talent, he wasted three good years, what if he was good at drafting he was terrible at developing talent… Fitz became a great player under Whisenhunt and Todd Haley, Dansby hadn’t been a consistent performer until lately, same with Docket, Antonio Smith was a good but not great player (overpaid by the Texans), Rolle, Watson and Lutui have underachieved… Brown is a backup and Leinart still has questions to be answered… I am glad we got rid of Green (mr. Josh McCown is going to be the next Brett Favre) and we have a real coach who is getting the most from his players and playing the best ones regardless of their contract or the round they were drafted in… and by the way he didn’t draft Boldin or Wilson, so don’t give him too much credit…GO CARDINALS

paco cabrera

by pacocab on Jun 15, 2009 2:19 PM MDT reply actions  

You mean...

He’s not who I thought he was?

by badmatty53 on Jun 15, 2009 2:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Denny blows

he had a lot of input from scouts and position coaches on his drafts….

He was hired in AZ to be a coach, not director of scouting.

he deserves minimal credit for the players brought in during his time in the valley.

by CardsDefense on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I have to agree that Fitzgerald wouldn't have been a Cardinal if Green weren't lobbying for him

Fitz wasn’t the “sexy” pick it turned out to be at the time. QB was foremost on our minds after a season of Jeff Blake and Josh McCown and we had an obvious #1 WR in Boldin. At the time I was pretty miffed that we had selected Fitz over Rivers or Roethlisberger. So I suppose I do owe a small thanks to Denny; Fitz almost makes up for all the other crap I had to live with for those three seasons. I’ll be getting my dose of Denny-schadenfreude care of the UFL this fall; a perfect use of TiVo and something decidedly more entertaining than most pre-game shows on Sunday AM before “real” football is on…

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Jun 15, 2009 4:53 PM MDT reply actions  

sure he helped set up this successful season in some ways

But those Cards games in Dennys last season as the cardinals HC where we crumbled at the end time and time again im pretty sure took years off of my life…

by Fitz Jizzle on Jun 15, 2009 6:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Denny did good bringing in some decent talent

But then the Cardinals brought in a coach who could lead them.

A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.

by Sir Whirly on Jun 15, 2009 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Well Done

Nice big picture. I think we tend to pick a style apart when they lose, which was the common denominator among all of the coaches you mentioned. Nothing like going to the Super Bowl your second year to validate your style, which is why we like Whiz (that and he just has a porfessional way about him which I like). No one liked Belechik but now he is a Guru because he wins. Mangini tries to do the same and looses and looks like a fool doing it ( I mean really, sending the rookies off on a 20+ hour road trip on buses!?!). Winning and losses is the ultimate determination when we judge a coach.

MBN

by mbn on Jun 16, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

About drafting

Intersting points JJeff, we have had worst than Deny Green… having said that he still was a very poor coach… you said he changed the drafting philosophy, and I agree, we all remember Dave McGinnis for passing on Terrel Suggs and drafting instead Calvin Pace and Brian Johnson (he did draft Anquan Boldin in the second round)… however even with the change of philosophy, the results were not that great, he had three drafts, his first one was his best by far, Fitz, Dansby, Docket and Antonio Smith (I still think we should give Big Ben some credit, love Fitz, but Ben showed up in the SB)…his second draft was less than stellar, Antrel Rolle has struggled to justify being the eight pick overall… JJ Arrington wasn’t tough enough to be a RB in this league… Eric Green and Darryl Blackstock are no longer with the team and Elton Brown is a back up… his last draft he brought Leinart (still think he is the future), Lutui, Leonard Pope and Gabe Watson… not that impresive… what I remember most about these drafts is that they look very good on draft day, but 2 or 3 years later don’t look that good… as for Wiz, he is working with some talent, but he is more than that, he brought a very solid coaching staff (remember who was the OL coach before Russ Grimm?), he comes from the Bill Cowher school but is smart enough to be flexible adjusting his game planning to the team strenghts, he is a great find and I am sure will be our HC for a long time… one last thing that has not been mentiones, is that we got lucky with Pitsburgh hiring Tomlin, that way Whis has brought some great coaches who worked with him in Pitsburgh…

paco cabrera

by pacocab on Jun 16, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

well

I wrote it kind of tongue in cheek as a point to how many factors build up a good football team. I think it was probably take too seriously by some. but interesting to think how things could have come out all together differently if Wiz, Fitz and Greybeard were somehow taken out of the equation.

by TBru on Jun 16, 2009 4:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I liked it. The trick is to get us churning on a topic and then see where the discussion goes.

MBN

by mbn on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

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