How Much Longer can Matt Leinart be the QB of the Future for the Arizona Cardinals?
When Matt Leinart was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals early in the 2006 NFL draft he wasn't supposed to spend the next three to five years battling, or backing up, an aging quarterback. He wasn't supposed to struggle adjusting to football on Sundays and he certainly wasn't supposed to spend his 26th birthday wondering when he'll regain the starting job that he covets. For Matt though, reality hasn't merged with expectations quite yet and some are starting to wonder if Leinart will ever become the franchise quarterback that everyone envisioned just three years ago.
His road through the NFL hasn't been what many expected but the path he's traveling isn't exactly uncharted either. Many quarterbacks have struggled early in their careers in years past or simply not be given a chance when they were young. Leinart can look no further than the Cardinals' current starting quarterback Kurt Warner, who didn't start his first NFL game until the age of 28, yet has still managed to throw over 180 TDs, appear in three Super Bowls and be voted the NFL's Most Valuable Player of the Year twice. Leinart could also look at fellow southpaw quarterback, Steve Young who did become a successful starter until after his 30th birthday. Up until Young's seventh season he had managed to complete less than 56% of his passes and had a touchdown to interception ratio of nearly 1:1, not to mention a record of 10-19 as a starter. From the ages of 31 to 37 though, Young would be voted to the Pro Bowl seven times and named first team All-Pro on three occasions, as well as pick up a Super Bowl MVP of his own. No one knows what Leinart's career will look like 10 years from now but I'm sure Warner couldn't have imagined his wildly successful future when he was staring in the Arena Leagues at the age of 26. Likewise, I'm sure that Young didn't imagine piecing together a Hall of Fame career after the age of thirty. So what does the future hold for Leinart?
Through Leinart's first three seasons he seems to be dragged down by a couple of factors, the first of which is probably the most publicized. It's a rather commonly accepted feeling that Leinart came into the NFL as a highly confident, borderline cocky, player who hadn't ever had to put forth maximum effort in order to be successful on the field. To a lesser extent his overall maturity and dedication to the game were also questioned quite a bit. Whether or not either criticism was right or wrong, Matt seems to have matured greatly in the past year and has shown a dedication to improving his game that seems to be surprising just about everyone surrounding the for USC star. He's spent part of the off season working out with Tom Brady and has recently started training MMA-style in an effort to strengthen himself both physically and mentally. The second factor that's played a large role in Matt's struggles in the first three years of his career has been the coaching change from Dennis Green to Ken Whisenhunt. Leinart's rookie season has been, by far, the most successful of his career when he completed almost 57% of his passes and threw 11 TDs in as many starts. In his first year under Whisenhunt though the sophomore QB struggled to grasp the offense and ended up playing QB-carousel with Kurt Warner during games before breaking his collar bone five games into the season. It's not uncommon for young QB's to struggle with new offensive systems, just ask Alex Smith, regardless of the talent surrounding them. To a lesser extent, Leinart's footwork has never been stellar and that's been the focus of the new quarterback's coach Chris Miller. With better footwork Leinart's accuracy should improve and he should even gain some zip on the ball if he's able to effectively use his lower body. So what does all this mean for Leinart's future and when will he actually get another shot?
It could mean that he's finally taking his NFL career seriously and that he's willing to work diligently to become the absolute best player that he can be. It could also just be some media driven hype to try and restore some of the shine that has worn off his persona over the past three years. Either way it's likely that we won't know the answer to that question until training camp or the preseason. To answer the question of when he'll get a chance to prove he's a capable starter, it could be tomorrow for all we know. Nothing in this life, much less the National Football League, is guaranteed and backing up an aging quarterback with an extensive injury history is very much a day to day proposition. For all we know, Leinart might end up being the opening day starter this season or he could have to wait the entire two years of Warner's current contract. The thing that's important, at least in my mind, is that it sounds like a matter or when Leinart will take over the reigns as leader of this franchise, not if, and given the strides he's taken in the past twelve months and the work he's still doing, the future seems very bright for the guy that some were ready to bury last off season.
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In today's "what have you done for me lately" league, most young players get very little rope to hang themselves, especially early round draft picks. Matt Leinart may have underwhelmed fans during his first three seasons but he still stands as the quarterback of the future, whenever that future becomes the present. Do you still believe that he can be a quality NFL QB? When will he take over the reigns from Warner?
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I think he has it,
but will IT be what we need in Arizona? BSP thinks he has a shot to win the back up job. Is that a testament of how good he is, how bad Matt is or a combination of the two. I admit I am up and down on Matt’s future mostly because I care more about the team’s success vs his personal success. As long as Whiz and Company stay on board, we will eventually become a more balanced team. Is that good or bad for Matt? I have to admit, I kinda want to see what BSP can do during game time, but not at the expense of OGB (’ol Grey Beard).
New Prediction:
BSP will be the next Billy Volek.
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by hevchv on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Testament to how good BSP is.
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by sc464 on Jun 23, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BSP
I think that whole story is pretty overblown and I wonder who ‘broke’ the story. I imagine (and this is pure speculation) that BSP asked Whiz if he’d have the chance to win the #2 job this year in camp and Whiz, who we all know champions competition like no other, said something to the effect of, sure if you out perform Matt then you’ll be the #2 guy. Then BSP took that comment and said something to the same effect when he signed his new contract. What did actually expect Whiz to say? Can anyone picture Whiz saying, no sorry BSP you’re a #3 QB and that’s all there is to it. Of course he’s going to say I’ll let you compete.
In reality though BSP is a spare who’s never even pushed for a #2 job because he simply doesn’t have the talent. He’s been in the same system (Whiz’s system) his entire career so he knows it backwards and forwards but that’s his only asset. If he’d have asked Whiz for the chance to compete for a starting job, I bet Whiz’s answer would have been exactly the same. If anyone in this organization would have actually thought he had potential to be anything more than clipboard holder he’d have signed something longer than a one year contract. I’d be shocked if BSP wins the #2 job and even more shocked if he ever steps on the field in a regular season game unless KW and ML are on crutches.
by Bezekira on Jun 23, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the signs I am seeing from Leinart but it’s gotta happen on the field of play. I’ll let you know in a year or two.
by The Bird on Jun 23, 2009 10:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's hard not to compare Leinart to Matt Cassell!
I mean they have followed an eerily similar path thus far in their careers.
So the question for me is will Leinart become a Cassell and be an efficient NFL QB.
To me it all rides on the system. We can’t expect Matt to do a KW and take the game on his shoulders like he did last season. However if somehow we can develop an offence similar to say the Titans then I would take Leinart over Kerry Collins or Steve Young any day.
I’ve never seen BSP throw a ball ( I don’t watch pre-season ) so I don’t know what he even brings to the table.
by CardsIrish on Jun 23, 2009 10:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Leinart = Ryan Leaf
I’m not buying the recent notion that Leinart has “matured” in the past 12 months.
Let’s not forget that he openly pouted on the bench in 2008 while Kurt was lighting up the Arizona Cardinal record book, and during the Super Bowl week in Tampa he claimed that he could have led Arizona to the Super Bowl. For that statement alone, he should have his head examined.
After all, in his last season as a starter (2007), Leinart posted the worst passer rating in the NFL (61.9) and threw for the fewest YPG in the league (129). He averaged only 0.4 TD’s per game and threw two interceptions per TD. And in his 5 games in 2007, he completed a grand total of ZERO touchdowns to Larry Fitzgerald The Great.
I know this much: That kind of horse manure quarterbacking wasn’t going to lead anyone to the Super Bowl…. ever.
With the same receivers, oline, and awful running game… during the rest of 2007 and all of 2008, Warner averaged about 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitz and Q, and averaged almost 3 TD’s per game… along with almost 300 passing yards per game.
And Leinart’s workouts with Brady?
This tells me more about his lack of a connection with the players and coaches on the Cardinals’ staff. He’s playing behind a QB who has started in 3 of the last 10 Super Bowls… and he goes to Tom Brady? And I wonder what Whisenhunt thinks about Leinart going outside the Cardinal family to a New England QB for help?
As for the MMA training, that was just a cheap publicity stunt. It looked more desperate than anything else. Cardinal strength coach John Lott is considered by many to be the best in the NFL. But John Lott isn’t a reporter for Fox Sports, and therefore Matt’s workouts with him aren’t likely to end up on youtube.
I look for Matt Leinart to be cut from Arizona after this season (when it makes most sense from a salary cap standpoint). And I expect that, with his history of immaturity and his injury history (2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks) that he’ll find it difficult to land a new team.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 11:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Seriously Harhat, what crawled up your butt and died? First of all your facts are scewed “Warner averaged about 1 touchdown per game EACH to Fitz and Q,”. That would mean that Fitz & Q both had 16 TD’s each, which didnt happen.
I do see your point about working with Brady rather than Kurt but Leinart worked with Brady for “footwork” purposes, we all know Kurt doesnt have the greatest footwork, none the less I see your point.
Publibity stunt on the MMA training?? Are you serious? To go through that just for publicity would be ludicrious! That is some serious gut wrenching workout regiment man. There is no way that was for publicity alone.
Lastly your final comment was off the wall. CUT? Haha, dude they wouldnt freakin cut him are you kidding me? Lets just say he sucked as bad as YOU think he does. They would trade him to a team that didnt realize it for a draft pick. Oh I dont know, isnt there SEVEN rounds in the draft!?
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by sc464 on Jun 23, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's ludicrious
There are so many holes in your argument I don’t know where to start, but I’ll give it a try.
- 2007 Stats: I don’t know how any can put any stock in his 2007 stats. He was a second year QB learning a new offense and being rotated in and out of games. Not only did he not completely know the offense, he wasn’t allowed to establish any kind of rhythm. I’d challenge anyone to find a QB who flourished while learning his second new offense in as many seasons. For what it’s worth, in the games to start the ’07 season in which Leinart actually played the entire game he threw a TD in each and averaged 200 yards per game.
- Working out with Brady: Hmmm why would you be pissed about guys working out with the best in the league? You want him to work out with Warner who had hip surgery and literally spent part of the off season using a walker. And according to all reports (Urban and Somers both), he’s in the best shape of his NFL career.
You simply sound like a Leinart-hater. The guy’s not getting cut anytime soon.
by Bezekira on Jun 23, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaf to Leinart?
More like brick to head…..did you forget to wear your hardhat on the jobsite today buddy
by azcardswinez on Jun 23, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HardHat get real
I will assume you are a Cardinals fan, so let’s start by saying we have that in common, first of all to compare Leinart to Leaf is absurd, as bad al Leinart can be or has been there ir no comparing him to Ryan Leaf, that is way off base.
I think Matt Leinart had it so easy early in his carerr, Deny Green handed him the starting job, and he didn’t do that bad, the think with Whisenhunt is that even Big Ben had his struggles with him, because he is much more demanding than your average Head Coach… As for his change in work ethic I will give him the benefit of the doubt, he looks more humble and commited, but in the end there is one person who he needs to convince and that is Ken Whisenhunt, he is the one who will ultimate decide if he is the future or if Brian Saint Pierre will be the back up, which make it very important for Matt to show improvement in training camp…
I really hope he becomes an elite QB, because we will need one soon, and he certainly has the ability, he just needs to be commited and work very hard…
One last comment on Kurt Warner, I love what he did last year, but he did have his struggles (with Boldin and Fitzgerald at WR), so is not like he hasn’t struggled with this team, however coach Whisenhunt gave him a new chance and he delivered, hope Leinart gets his new chance and delivers… GO CARDINALS
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by pacocab on Jun 23, 2009 11:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Leinart has no trade value.
In 2008, Boldin had 11 touchdowns in 11 starts.
In 2007, Boldin had 9 touchdowns in 11 starts. But in his first 5 starts, Boldin caught only 1 touchdown from Leinart.
In 2008, Fitzgerald had 12 TD’s in 16 starts.
In 2007, Fitz had 10 TD’s in 15 starts. But in his first 5 starts, he caught ZERO touchdowns from Leinart.
So yes, both averaged almost one TD per game with Warner.
In stark contrast to Leinart throwing 1 TD to Q and zero to Fitz through his 5 starts in 2007.
Leinart could learn much from his own coaches and fellow players. Warner’s footwork is among the best in the history of the NFL, along with pretty much every other aspect of his game.
Leinart’s disengagement from his teammates and coaches during the 2007 and 2008 season looks to be truly indicative of a dysfunctional relationship. He appears to be ostracized from the team.
St. Pierre, on the other hand, seems to always be much more involved during the games — both with the players and coaches.
And the reason that I feel Leinart will be cut after 2009 rather than traded is simple. He has no trade value. If he would garner any type of value, they would have traded him this offseason. Cutler, Cassell, and Brady Quinn were the only names that came up with any trade value. Haley, who knows Leinart better than most, didn’t make a play for him… and Leinart already knows (or should know) his offense.
If BSP wins the training camp battle, this season will be Leinart’s last.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 12:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Correction: In 2008, Fitzgerald had 19 TD’s in 20 starts.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude you have 6 posts on SB all hating on Leinart 3 here and 3 on Colts site!
What did he do steal your chick?
by CardsIrish on Jun 23, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't realized that Leinart was on the trading block...the fact he wasn't says more for ability than suggests no ability...
If he has “no trade” value then he has “no back-up value” either which clearly isn’t the case.
Things quiet over at AZRepublic.com HH?
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by Hawkwind on Jun 23, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HardHat The All-Knowing
Yes, I made 3 posts back in the spring of 2008 ripping Leinart at a time when he had been handed back his job after he sucked throughout 2007, whereas Warner finished that season throwing 27 TD’s in 11 starts.
Thank God wisdom prevailed 3 months later and Warner was awarded the job again for 2008.
As I predicted, with Warner as the starter, the Cardinals made a run at the Super Bowl on the strength and accuracy of Warner’s passing arm.
Had Leinart been given the job for 2008, the Cardinals would have finished 2-14 and the 49ers would have made the playoffs.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA, do you know the term "digging a deeper hole"
Dude, just stop before you cant climb out of the hole. Leinart has trade value. Of course he isnt going to get a 1-3 round pick but of course he has trade value. He wasnt traded or NOT PUT ON THE TRADING BLOCK because the Cards WANT him. Had that not been the case they would have brought in another reliable backup. Before you try and say Palko is a realiable backup just stop ok. Leinart has Started a total of 16 games if I am not mistaken, sounds like a rookie year to me. Ever see Peyton Mannings (not comparing Leinart to Peyton) first year? Not anything to rave about.
If Leinart led the team they would have gone 2-14?? Dude I am sorry but I could have lead the team and gone 3-13 (yes I am being facetious but you get the point). Heck, Ryan Leaf hopped up on goof-balls could have lead the team to 4-12.
Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.
by sc464 on Jun 23, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
both sides have made valid points
I agree Leinart has been a HUGE disappointment, but I think he is improving. I would rather see the cards renegotiate his deal so he gets paid less, while at the same time locking him up for another year or two. That is if he shows some significant progress in this coming preseason. Otherwise we need to find another #2 QB to have behind the legendary Gray Beard.
Also I would rather see Leinart working out with Tom Brady than someone like Byron Leftwich.
by CardsDefense on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that the poster who claimed (erroneously) that Warner didn’t average almost 1 TD per game each to Boldin and Fitzgerald has been properly schooled…
I’ll move on to his next flawed argument…
The Peyton Manning / Matt Leinart comparison.
First, to compare their “1st 16 game” stats is slanted to favor Leinart. After all, all of Manning’s 16 games were in his rookie season, and Leinart’s were split among his first two seasons.
But the important thing to note was that Manning started out rough, but finished very strong. In the final 5 games of that 16 game stretch in his rookie season, he was obviously starting to figure it out. In those final 5 games, he threw 10 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. His completion percentage in that stretch also jumped up to 61% and he averaged 257 yards per game in those games.
On the other hand, should have Leinart benefited from his having another NFL offseason before the last five of his first sixteen games. And how did he fare? By getting worse and worse. In fact, during the Baltimore Raven game, I don’t think he even managed to get the offense across the 50 yard line. In starts 12 thru 16 for Leinart, his completion percentage was 53% and he averaged only 129 yards per game, which was the worst in the NFL of all 32 starting QB’s. In those games, he threw 2 touchdowns and 5 interceptions, and his passer rating was also worst among all 32 starting QB’s (61.9).
So the Manning / Leinart comparison is really laughable.
In 1998, another QB came out of college in the first round. His name was Ryan Leaf. Like Leinart, he was incapable of absorbing the playbook, had immaturity issues, and was also injury prone. Leinart / Leaf is a comparison that would be much more appropriate.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manipulation & Schooled
My dear friend hardhead. You realize that you can manipulated numbers to do whatever you want them to right? Hence why we are in this great real estate and lending mess. Go ahead and manipulate all the numbers you want and make yourself feel good about whatever it is you have going on (maybe short man syndrom? I dont know and I dont care.) If you read what I wrote I DID NOT compare the 2 of them (Leinart & Manning), in fact I actually mentioned that I was not. On being schooled I have not been schooled. your own statistics proved you wrong, go back and read them without manipulation as well as look at the fact that nobody is agreeing with you.
Lastly here is what it comes down to. You are wrong and WE are right. But besides all that you throwing a hissy fit reminds me of my niece. She is real cute most the time but then she get her panties all tied up in a bunch and throws a hissy fit. Much like I am sure you are a nice guy, relatively educated & good tempered. But man, seriously, pull the panties out of your crack and just relax and have fun. Leinart has been a dissapointment yes, but he still has a shot at a productive NFL career. When he was drafted I was the first to scream at the TV and shout Cutlers name but hey, lets roll with the punches and see how he does.
And with that I am done.
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by sc464 on Jun 23, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt compare Leinart to Manning, I would compare him to Brady (with a lisp)
First of all, Leinart and Brady both have dark wavy hair that looks kind of tussled when they take their helmets off. They also both have dreamy brown eyes and that chiseled jaw line. Can’t you just see that look of intensity right before the snap, that just kind of says, “I’ll pull your hair you dirty little bitch”.
by badmatty53 on Jun 23, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You lost me when....
…. you started rambling on about your niece’s panties riding up her ass.
Seek therapy.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
... I am going to comment on this one.
HH I do hope you can clearly tell this was a metaphor, indicating when someone gets all worked up about something. If you do, that by far was a lame comeback and if you don’t… Well I guess that would sum up the entire argument going on at the moment.
As far as Leinart goes, he is a bit injury prone. I can see the potential he has but it is up to him to unleash it. Maybe he will and maybe he won’t.
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
by Sir Whirly on Jun 23, 2009 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its simple
Leinart just wasnt ready mentally for the game. Being sat down for father time and now being coached under whiz I have no doubt when his opportunity knocks this year or next hes gonna do great.
by azcardswinez on Jun 23, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Leinart
will at some point this season have to play or start. People can argue with me but I just don’t see Warner completing another full season. He never has had back to back 16 game seasons so I would be shocked to see him finally accomplish this. Leinart will be fine to play this year. Last year he became lazy and thought the starting QB role would be his no matter what. Admittedly Leinart does need work on his mechanics or techniques and Tom Brady and Chris Miller have helped him this offseason. Overall Pierre is probably done after the year and I see them drafting a QB in 2010 to sit behind Matt and learn just like he has to do. There is one QB I would love to see drafted by the Cardinals and hopefully they get him next year. Not saying his name just yet. I give Matt the shot at QB for the next couple of years and then depending on how well he is doing he stays or goes.
by kj197728 on Jun 23, 2009 5:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That mentality is so '2007'.
Today, the roles are reversed. Kurt and Fitz are the new faces of the franchise, and Warner has the big $24M contract, $18M guaranteed.
If you think they’re looking for a reason to replace him with that Leinart bum, then you haven’t been watching the Bidwills or Whisenhunt very closely. The Bidwills will want to get their $ worth out of Warner, and Whisenhunt is clearly no Leinart fan.
And Kurt has only missed 3 starts due to injury since 2002. Most of his missed time was due to bad coaching (denny green) and front office interference (giants). Leinart? 2 season-ending injuries in his last 5 sacks. Now that’s fragile.
Besides, this is a passing team with great receivers and a below-average running game. So Warner will definitely get at least 2 more years at the helm. Furthermore, on TV a few weeks ago, he said that he may play want to play some more after that.
That’s great news for real Cardinal fans…. but bad news for Leinart fans.
by HardHat on Jun 23, 2009 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Then why was the front office trying to front load his contract so that it was easier to replace him or cut him before the second year? That’s why the negotiations took so long b/c they wanted all of the guaranteed money in the first year but KW wanted security over both years.
by Bezekira on Jun 25, 2009 6:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t see Warner staying healthy all year either. But I didn’t see the Cards going to the Superbowl either so hey who knows. And Tebo would be a good pick up!
by azcardswinez on Jun 23, 2009 5:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Tebow's intangibles
would make him great for any team looking for a leader and a winner. Urban Meyer thinks so as well and has thus changed the offensive philosophy this year to prepare him for the next step. Florida and the spread offense meet Florida and the balanced under center offense. With 11 returning starters on defense, they should be able to stay in games long enough for the cohesion and chemistry to set in with the offense.
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by hevchv on Jun 23, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leinart
I think that he can be a solid starter in this league. It’s doubtful that he’ll ever play up to a Pro Bowl level, but on a good team that won’t be necessary. However, I can also see Leinart getting anxious to start again soon, and with Warner unlikely to be supplanted in the near future, he’ll have to leave and try to make good on his next opportunity with a different team.
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