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Gregory Toler and his Future with the Arizona Cardinals

We said it about a million times this off season but the Arizona Cardinals struggled to stop the opposition's passing game throughout the 2008 season and they've spent most of the off season trying to shore up and rebuild the secondary. Since that fateful game on the first day of February, the Cards have signed a big name free agent corner back (Bryant Toler2_mediumMcFadden), released or didn't re-sign both of their opening day starters from one year ago (Rod Hood and Eric Green) and used two of their first four picks in April's draft on youngsters to add depth. The first of these two picks, Rashad Johnson, is an ball hawking safety from one of the biggest NFL football factories in the NCAA, but the Redbirds next selection was a player of a much lower profile.

Gregory Toler, a tall lanky corner back, is the first player to ever be drafted out of Saint Paul's College, a tiny D-II school tucked away in the Blue Ridge Mountains of southern Virginia. After poor grades in high school prevented him from a being recruited by any major colleges, Toler chose the Kurt Warner path the NFL, stocking shelves and sweeping the aisles at a local JC Penney. Toler eventually got back into the game via a small semi-pro league and caught the eye of St. Paul's defensive coordinator, Kevin Grisby. Grisby became a father figure to Toler, helping him with his grades as well as football, and Toler quickly became a stand out player. He'd go on to start 40 games at St. Paul's and set school records with 14 interceptions, 36 pass breakups and 50 passes defended. He'd receive All-CIAA first team honors twice and received All-American honors following his senior season. Despite a banner collegiate career, Toler wasn't invited to the combine and didn't generate a ton of interest leading up to the draft. That didn't stop the Cardinals from calling his name in the fourth round though with the 131st overall selection. Almost immediately after the Cardinals called Toler's name the comparisons to Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie started. The physical similarities seems valid considering that both have good size and outstanding athleticism. Toler's listed as 5'11, 191 (vs. 6'2, 182 for DRC) and he reportedly ran his forty in the high 4.3's (vs. 4.3 for DRC), but what can we expect from Toler this season and in the future?

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What to expect early on: Despite Toler's physical gifts, it's probably a mistake to expect anything more than quality special teams play early in his career. He's extremely raw and much like DRC, he'll have to get bigger and stronger before he's ready to match up against NFL receivers. One of Toler's biggest weaknesses at this point is his ability to diagnose plays, especially when in zone coverage, and that's an ability that will take time to learn. He's also got a habit of staring into the backfield, which at times can lead to interceptions or big plays for an opposing offense. Overall I'm reminded of what we said about DRC last year:

Rodgers-Cromartie most likely won't win any rookie of the year awards or lead the league in interceptions in 2008, but he got the athletic ability and mental make-up to be a top flight corner for years to come. If I had to make a projection right now, I'd guess that he'll have some moments where he looks like he doesn't belong in the league early in the season, but by the end of the year he'll likely pick up a handful of starts and show some significant signs of becoming a top tier cornerback.

The difference with Toler though is that it may take him a full year or even two to develop into an NFL quality cornerback. Toler's ceiling isn't expected to be as high as DRC's but luckily the Cardinals aren't expecting or really needing him to step into the starting line-up or even the nickel corner spot this season. The starting cornerbacks are set and with Antrel Rolle and Ralph Brown, Toler should be able to focus this season on special teams contributions and improving his craft during practice.Toler1_medium With Brown on a one year deal, McFadden on a two year deal and Rolle's contract status somewhat up in the air, Toler's development could be the key to the future of the Cardinals secondary. That alone might be enough to keep the staff from rushing him along, but time will tell how his future plays out. For now, he's not intimated about facing the best group of wide receivers in the league during practice:

"It's still football, pigskin ball, played on green grass, same as it's been since I was six," he said. "I'm sure they'll get me a few times, but I'll learn as much as I can from them. Playing against them every day won't do anything but help me on Sunday."

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Toler's future certainly seems bright considering his constant comparisons to DRC and he's already turned some heads during OTA's, including Antrel Rolle's. What do you expect from Toler in 2009 and for the years to come? Is he a future starter or just a great athlete?

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Reminds me a lot of Asante Samuel.

If he works real hard and learns the system real good I have no doubt in my mind that he could turn into this drafts late round steal for us, which seems to be coming yearly for us now (Breaston and Hightower). I am looking forward to seeing what this kid can do in the future.

by Pyromnc on Jun 30, 2009 8:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets hope the hype stays true

Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.

by sc464 on Jun 30, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

good times

Is it just me or does this pick sorta signify how far we’ve come in past five years or so? It seems like we used to expect or at least need our third or fourth round picks to provide immediate results, but now we’re drafting for a year or two down the road. That’s always seemed like one of the biggest differences between the top and bottom of the league.

by Bezekira on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Nice to be there finally.

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its like you dont have to hold your breathe anymore,...

although out of habit I still do.

Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.

by sc464 on Jun 30, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

why are you mentioning Rolle as a corner?

by KDean75 on Jun 30, 2009 11:57 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Urban's already mentioned a couple of times that Rolle's still working as the nickel corner during OTA's

It almost sounds like they’re going to keep him in a S/CB hybrid role or maybe they just don’t trust Ralph Brown that much.

by Bezekira on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolle played well as a corner

it would be wise to be versatile with our defense. moving Rolle around also might give Rashad Johnson a chance to be on the field and get some much needed experience (especially if they plan on letting Rolle leave next year.)

by CardsDefense on Jun 30, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rolle played well as a nickle corner

As a starter he was less than average.

+1 on grooming RJ to take over for Rolle.

by AJ BirdWatcher on Jul 1, 2009 5:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good situation

I’m glad we are able to take chances on players like this. He is an amazing athlete apparently and if he can learn the coverages and opponents offenses then he should turn into a good corner in a couple years. His biggest advantage is the help of DRC and McFadden plus he gets to go against the best WR’s in the league day in day out. It kind of reminds me of Leinart’s situation, with a future Hall of Famer and one of the best teachers of the game ahead of you plus supposedly practicing with Brady you have to be borderline retarded to not become decent at least.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jun 30, 2009 1:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

welcome to ROTB

Lots of new faces around here over the past couple of days, or at least people finally stepping out of the shadows.

by Bezekira on Jun 30, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got Lost in the Password "Black Hole"

For some reason, the website stopped remembering my password (and so did I). Then a Norton upgrade (which stores frequently used passwords) further complicated the process.

I couldn’t log on for about 2 weeks. Maybe others had the same problem.

GBR

by jeffgollin@aol.com on Jul 1, 2009 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of Those Guys...

Be honest – Unless you are a superscout (or even more super draft fanatic) – chances are you never saw much if any film on Toler and are relying on reports from the few drafting services who actually followed the young man.

In other words, you and I are pretty much going on “what we heard” and not “what we saw.”

That said – Toler fits the profile of one of those guys who sounds really really interesting – a “super-sleeper” if you will (assuming he lives up to what we hear) – and whom I know I will be pulling for. (He and Garvin are front-runners to be the Lance Longs of this year’s camp). And Lord knows – you can never have too many good CB’s.

Toler figures to be one of an interesting crop of Cardinal rooks (I’d include Herman on my list of prospects who’ve captured my imagination);

GBR

by jeffgollin@aol.com on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

very true about never hearing his name much less seeing film on him

There isn’t even a single YouTube video on the guy. It’s crazy, you can find highlights of LSH or Garvin but not our fourth round pick.

by Bezekira on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks great for 2010

So we have a gifted special teamer and possible 2010 starter.

Well special teams is an area that needs improvement, so fingers crossed he can contribute there.

Seen many situations last year where the cards would score and then give up valuable field position on the kickoff.

by shady_sanchez on Jul 1, 2009 7:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And the year before that, and the year before that, and the...

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Jul 2, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If not by penalties, then by missed tackles, blown blocks…

Some things come to mind from last season:
1. Urb talking about the ST coach (Spencer) saying how he wakes up each morning on game-day and prays that the unit doesn’t hurt the team too badly.
2. Ware jumping off-sides to start the kick-off then getting a facemask or chop-block or something when the ball was finally away. Ugh.
3. The surprised demeanor of J. Urban when a kickoff bounced out of his arms.
4. Michael Adams becoming gunner (and how pleasantly, surprisingly effective he was).

Oh, geez, you guys are totally right. I started thinking about it for 2 minutes and a flood of horrible scenes came careening back to me from our ST play last year. The Ralph Brown bobble, Highsmith getting dropped, so many opposing drives starting beyond the 30… shudder

If we can fit one more ST-only player on the roster, who do you think would be more valuable: Garvin at KR or Adams at gunner?

Despite the possibilities of putting R. Johnson or G. Toler + others there, I’m inclined to say Adams. He was really good… But, if Garvin could do both…..

by tw3kr on Jul 3, 2009 4:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll toot Adams' horn all pre-season. Rewatching the playoff games he was everywhere on ST.

He just needs to show some defensive ability to make him more than just a ST player.

We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!

by Hawkwind on Jul 4, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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