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Arizona Cardinals Pre-Training Camp Roster Projections: Safeties

Arizona Cardinals' Rashad Johnson (41) keeps cool during team workouts Tuesday, May 19, 2009, in Tempe, Ariz. (AP Photo/Matt York)

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6 months ago: Arizona Cardinals' Rashad Johnson (41) keeps cool during team workouts Tuesday, May 19, 2009, in Tempe, Ariz. (AP Photo/Matt York)

We'll start another pre-training camp series today in which we look at each position on the roster with an eye on roster implications.

The Arizona Cardinals are still more than a month away from training camp but the battle for roster spots has already started. With the starting safeties practically set in stone, a promising third round draft pick and several experience veterans, the Cardinals appear to have a deep and talented group of safeties capable of turning around a secondary that struggled for much of the 2008 season. The number of safeties that eventually make the 53 man roster could vary depending on the number of corner backs that are retained but the number should be somewhere between four and six (five made the roster last year out of camp). We'll jump in the safety position by breaking the guys down into three groups, locks, bubble and no chance. These groups refer to chances of making this year's 53 man roster, not necessarily the practice squad or any team in the future.

Locks

Adrian Wilson, Antrel Rolle, Rashad Johnson

Bubble

Aaron Francisco, Keith Lewis, Dennis Keyes and Matt Ware

No Chance

Jameel Dowling

Now I'm sure it's somehow possible for Rolle or Johnson to be cut before the season starts but for all intents and purposes, they'll both make the final squad. As for the bubble group, I'm sure we could argue for or against each of these four and the final two or three will likely come down to their contribution on special teams. Here's a quick look at the case for or against each of the four 'bubble' players:

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Aaron Francisco: Francisco's got two things going for him in that he's got the most experience of any guys on the bubble and he's a solid special teams player. He's had an up and down career over his four NFL seasons and in that time he's ascended from overachieving undrafted free agent to disappointing part time starter. At times Francisco got exposed in coverage last season but is a decent player overall when he isn't asked to do too much. Francisco's downside is that he's the highest paid 'bubble' player ($1.45 million) and the ceiling is limited for this soon to be 26 year old safety.

Keith Lewis: Lewis is a veteran safety with starting experience and a familiarity with new defensive coordinator Bill Davis. He's also a solid special teams player and reasonably cheap ($620K), but Lewis biggest flaw is that he's a liability in coverage. He's much like Adrian Wilson in that he's a solid, hard hitting tackler and an 'in-the-box' type of strong safety but many describe him as nothing more than a special teams player. He's still reasonably young but given the fact that the Cardinals were able to sign him after the Niners cut him, he'll have to prove he's worth a roster spot this August.

Dennis Keyes: Keyes is an interesting case and could be the wild card in this group. He was an undrafted free agent last season and spent the entire season on the practice squad but some will tell you that he's got the talent to play in this league. He's got decent size (6'2 199) and was very productive in college where was a three year starter at free safety for the Bruins. If he's able to prove that he's capable in coverage and productive on special teams, he might just find his way onto the roster.

Matt Ware: Ware's biggest asset is that, in a pinch, he's able to play either corner or safety, but the problem is that he's done very little to distinguish himself in any aspect of the game. He's capable on special teams and has some versatility but despite being relatively healthy over his five NFL seasons, he's never really pushed for playing time. Ware is still young (26) and cheap ($650K) but with so many other options, you've got to wonder how long he'll hang onto his roster spot.

Jameel Dowling: Dowling is a 24 year old undrafted rookie from Hawaii with decent size and great athleticism. He's got experience at both safety and corner back but with his size (6'3 205), you'd have to expect that his eventual home is at safety. The best case scenario for Dowling would have to be a year on the practice squad.

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The Cardinals wouldn't seem to have many training camp battles heading into August but figuring out the bottom ten to fifteen players on any roster can be a tough task. With that being said, which safeties would you keep and how do you see this playing out?

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Safeties I would keep....

Would have to keep the locks you listed for sure (Rolle, Wilson, and Johnson). Now Ware and Dowling I feel have no shot. As for Cisco, Keyes, and Lewis is where it gets tuff. Keyes has some hype and is on the rise. Cisco is a good special teams guy and thats it, which is good to have but to have him on the field with our “D” is a joke. Why would we pick up Lewis another good special teams guy and pick up Johnson in the draft if the cards are thinking to keep this guy “Cisco” around. It’s gonna be a battle and will come down to Lewis and Cisco making the final roster spot in my opinion. And I hope Lewis wins the battle, I have never liked Cisco and hope they brought in Lewis to take his spot. All in all I don’t want to see Cisco on the field with our “D”, on special teams is fine but with Lewis here I see him taking Cisco’s role.

by azcardswinez on Jun 9, 2009 2:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Fransisco vs Lewis

In pass coverage I would most definitely want Fransisco over Lewis. Lewis is more of a poor mans Adrian Wilson, or should I say broke mans Adrian Wilson. If it comes to it I would want Fransisco for sure. He really isnt as bad as people think. When he got eaten up in the Super Bowl it wasnt even his man that did the damage. He was just in a spot where it looked bad. The one thing Fransisco doesnt have going for him was already mentioned by Hawk, his cap number.

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by sc464 on Jun 9, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keyes is an interesting option

Good write up. I hadn’t really given Keyes much of a chance, assuming that it was between Francisco and Lewis (and it probably still is), but if Keyes can play over the top he fits well with what the Cards would like the Safety to be able to to. The problem Francisco has had is not exactly his fault. He is not a deep cover guy and when placed in that role does not do well. In the right scheme Francisco does well. But then again Lewis is very similar in style. Remember Lewis was cut by the 49’s so he is not perfect at his position either (although I think the 49’s were foolish in cutting him). as mentioned, both Francisco and Lewis are in-the-box kind of players, much like Wilson. If Keyes can bring some deep zone coverage skills he may have a chance. Keyes also brings a financial advantage if he makes the team. For me Francisco and Lewis are so similar that it may come down to $$ in the end which favors Lewis.

MBN

by mbn on Jun 9, 2009 2:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good write up.

$2 says – The three locks + Keyes, Lewis

Francisco costs too much and while he’s a great special teamer, so is Lewis for almost half the costs.

by CardsFan08 on Jun 9, 2009 10:53 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

so many stinking variables

Maybe I try to over simply everything but there are so many variables with this group it’s hard to separate the safeties from the corners. Ideally I’d like to keep two free safeties, two strong safeties and then either the next best player regardless of position or a player that’s versatile enough to play both positions or even corner. Here are the variables that make my head spin……

 - Is Rolle going to be a true safety or will he bounce back and forth between safety and nickel corner?
 - Is Wilson still going to be allowed to roam around on passing downs and basically be a linebacker?
 - If Rolle is a nickel corner and Wilson essentially becomes a linebacker on passing downs, then you need to quality safeties and out side of Rashad Johnson, who inspires that confidence?

The good news is that they’ve got options. I’ll echo everyone else sentiments about Francisco and Lewis being similar players and I’d be weary of either of them in coverage for any extended playing time. Maybe Dennis Keyes can be the ‘center field’ option that they’re looking for or maybe just maybe……Ralph Brown steps into a safety role (he wouldn’t be the first veteran corner to make the part time transition).

by Bezekira on Jun 10, 2009 7:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Variables...

I think Bezekira nails it when he raises all those “what ifs.”

I’d start with defensive schemes in the secondary – what roles does Billy Davis see for his DB’s in various down & distance and game situation schemes?

Not only will he need to evaluate how each safety meets the requirements of each role, he will also need to assess how well – in all the various scenarios – how each DB meshes with his fellow teammates in the secondary.

Then there’s the matter of skill-set – Size. Speed. Quickness. Hitting Power. Wrap Up Ability. Instincts. Ball Skills combined with the mental aspects of the game: Reading keys. Taking proper angles. Knowing when or when not to take risks etc. The trade-offs are boundless – One guy hits like a ton but lacks functional speed. Another can cover like a glove, but gets outbeaten for loose balls. Another is death on interceptions, but is out of position too often.

Sorting this all out may be easier when it comes to veterans (because each of these guys has a body of work and there’s all that tape). But to evaluate youngsters like Dowling, Keyes or Rashad Johnson (who don’t have a lot of tape and are more likely to be inconsistent from week to week) they’ve got to be given enough reps in order to know what they can or cannot do. On a veteran football team, those reps may be hard to come by.

We can all project whether Rolle plays more nickel corner and surrenders more traditional FS time to Johnson. Or whether Keyes becomes the logical backup to A-Dub. Or whether Francisco is in the fight for his life to remain on the roster.

But – due to all the variables – we probably won’t know until the 3rd week of camp – if then.

CHICKEN LITTLE WAS RIGHT!

by JJeff88 on Jun 10, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Everybody forgets Francisco defending Washington in single coverage at the 2-min when Roethlisberger tried to hustle a play past the defense =/

Regardless, I’m pretty sure you guys are off on the personnel assessment here. Coaches like Francisco, he plays a lot and fairly well — from what I’ve seen he’s always very close to the ball at the end of most plays, a good sign — he had 56 tackles last year as a part-timer, for goodness sake. That’s 6th on the team, more than Keith Lewis and Matt Ware combined (the others don’t really count, now do they?). [[Here’s an interesting stat: Sean Morey had more individual tackles (17) than Matt Ware (13, only 2 more than Jerheme Urban).]] Finally, when you look at the pricepoint, I think it becomes obvious that they brought in Lewis to challenge Ware, rather than Francisco. Technically Lewis & AF are both SS on the depth chart, but I don’t give that much credibility at this point; all those guys seem to go back and forth between sides. The bottom line is, they wouldn’t pay Lewis 5th-safety money if they thought he was going to be our 2nd SS.

I don’t think Francisco is on the bubble this year, I think he’s a lock, barring some stupendous depth chart upset. He can play safety and special teams, something Ware can’t say, and arguably Lewis as well. Realistically, Francisco & Johnson should be the ones battling back and forth for playing time (somebody’s got to play safety while Wilson does his thing, right?) while whoever’s left acts as depth.

I expect Ware to be the biggest loser this off-season; to me, it’s between him, Lewis and Keyes. Dowling will probably go to the practice squad if he isn’t dumped outright, and I think they’ll probably give Keyes another year on the practice squad if he can’t beat out Ware or Lewis yet (although another play like the one here might do it: http://www.nfl.com/players/denniskeyes/profile?id=KEY175574). It’s hard to say at this point; Keyes could only be competing with Dowling for the practice squad. Matt Ware looks to be the only thing standing between the lot of them and a roster spot.

by tw3kr on Jun 10, 2009 4:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

welcome to ROTB

I agree that Francisco is the most experienced guy on the bubble list and it’s really not even close, but I also agree with what Hawk said in that at this point, Francisco ‘is what he is.’ With four full seasons of experience, and starting experience in three of them, it’s probably safe to say that he’s not going to dramatically improve his weaknesses. He’s a solid special teamer, solid in run support but a liability in coverage. Since we’re talking stats, I’d point out that in his extended playing time the past two seasons (26 games, 7 starts) he’s accumulated a grand total of one pass broken up and zero interceptions. He might be close to the ball, but he’s not making plays in coverage.

Now with that being said, I’m in no way saying that Lewis or Ware are better in coverage, but I would suggest that if one of them is comparable in terms of special teams play or run support, they might beat out Francisco for a spot simply because they are cheaper options.

by Bezekira on Jun 11, 2009 6:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bezekira nails it again

Cisco can’t cover himself with a blanket!!! We’ll fill his void on Special teams with Lewis being basically equivalent and half the price.

by azcardswinez on Jun 11, 2009 11:12 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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