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Arizona Cardinals Pre-Training Camp Roster Projections: Offensive Guard

After covering the Arizona Cardinals' centers earlier in the week, today we look at another position along the offensive line. We turn our attention today to the guards, two positions held down by guys who have started 31 of last 32 regular season games, but that does not necessarily mean that the starters are set in stone or that there won't be a great deal of competition for the backup spots during training camp. There is quite a bit of young talent in the mix here and we'll try to straighten all of the guard/tackle combos on this current squad.

Locks

Reggie Wells, Brandon Keith

On the Bubble

Deuce Lutui, Elton Brown, Trevor Canfield

No Chance

Carlton Medder

Before we get into this, we'll mention that Herman Johnson could be listed as a guard but he was exclusively running at tackle during OTA's so for now we'll assume that he is going to stay at tackle. As for the guys we're focusing on here, Wells is the unquestioned starter but you're probably scratching your head (or maybe stomping your feet) as to why Keith would be listed as a lock while Lutui, who's started 40 games over the past three seasons, is on our bubble. Well look below for our explanation on his status. Keith ran with the second team at right guard, instead of tackle, during OTA's so we'll assume that he's staying at guard for training camp. He is the team's most promising young lineman and the consensus thought is that his days as a starter are a matter of when, not if. As for our bubble and no chance guys, Canfield and Medder are practice squad eligible but Lutui and Brown are not.

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Deuce Lutui: Lutui's started 40 of the team's last 41 regular season games but most still consider him the weak link of the offensive line. He's narrowly held onto his starting job the past two training camp by beating Elton Brown but during OTA's the coaching staff moved Brandon Keith over to right guard and it'll take a better effort from Lutui to keep Keith on the bench. Now even if Keith does win the job that doesn't necessarily mean that Lutui will be cut but he'd be older and more expensive than any other backup lineman and for a team that's right up against the cap, his salary of just over one million could be a decent savings. Lutui will have to show the consistency that the coaching staff has been looking for this training camp or his days could be numbered.

Elton Brown: You might wonder why the top offensive line backup of the past couple of seasons wouldn't have a guaranteed roster spot but it's pretty clear that the coaching staff doesn't view him as starting material and there is a handful of young talent behind him who might have that potential. Brown's versatility is his biggest asset as he's started games at guard and tackle during his career so far and that limited starting experience should be enough for him to start training camp as the top reserve lineman. He'll have to prove that he's noticeably better than guys like Keith, Johnson or Canfield though.

Trevor Canfield: The Cardinals seventh round pick this year will try to copy the success of last year's seventh round pick by impressing during camp and earning a spot on the final 53. Canfield's playing experience is at guard but he's also expected to try his craft at the center spot and that might be his best chance at getting one of the final chairs. If he can prove that he's reliable at center his chances of securing a spot might be pretty decent but if he's strictly a guard, his most likely landing spot will be on the practice squad for a season.

Carlton Medder: Medder, an undrafted free agent from a year ago, played right tackle in college but the Cardinals quickly moved him to guard once it was obvious that he struggled mightily with speed rushers. He was running the second team last year during camp before an elbow injury ended his season before it ever got off the ground. He's got size (6-5, 316) but with so much young talent ahead of him, he needs to have a good camp just to make the practice squad.

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I'm thinking that there might be some debate on this one so I'll open it up for everyone to throw in their two cents. Should Lutui be watching his back and do you think his roster spot is really in jeopardy? Is Keith really ready to unseat him and should Elton Brown get one last shot at taking the job? Where does Canfield figure into the mix?

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I think Lutui gets an undeserved hammering on here

I dont really have much to back that up, Ive just never seen him visibly blow a play as Levi Brown, Senlein and Gandy have.
That said, there’s probably someone who possesses clear knowledge of Deuce’s ineptitude and Id be happy to be corrected.

by Irishcardinal on Jul 16, 2009 12:36 PM MDT reply actions  

I will say one thing

Lutui has seemed to have a problem of false starts and holding penalties. That is something I have noticed over the past couple of years. While he doesn’t necessarily blow a lot of plays, mentally he has had problems.

A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.

by Sir Whirly on Jul 16, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Most penalized player in 2007 if recollection serves me?

He did make a noticable effort last year, by means of a drastic improvement from the beginning of the season to season’s end.

by badmatty53 on Jul 16, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Deuce

I’ll say that every once in a while I’ll rewatch a game and focus solely on the offensive line. From my highly uneducated viewing, Lutui is one of those guys who will make a great block and just engulf someone and drive them five yards off the ball but then go two series without doing anything that’s even remotely impressive. It also seems like he really struggles in pass protection any time the defensive line or linebackers run some kind of twisting blitz. It’s almost like he decides who he’s going to block before the ball is snapped and he can’t adjust on the fly if the defense throws something new at him. As far as the penalties, he got alot better during the second half of the season b/c I remember he had like seven penalties in the first eight games but he finished with nine for the season.

Overall, I doubt he gets cut but I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him have to fight for his life to keep the starting job. He just hasn’t improved like you’d expect a guy with 40 starts under his belt.

I've won the same lifetime achievement award twice....yes I'm the Most Interesting Man in the World

by Bezekira on Jul 16, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

We’ve heard a time or two that Keith almost got a live-fire look last season, but Grimm didn’t want to mess with continuity.
I love that idea, look how the Giants offensive line went from joke to toast after 3 years of playing mostly intact. As a competitor, Deuce is wild and just what a line needs in terms of mean streak, but he’s also insanely inconsistent and has some technical issues with his game. So it’s a roll of the dice.

Keith is a natural offensive lineman. All his preseason work shows a very strong and very smooth guy. For the sake of full disclosure, I’m a homer for Keith and would love to see him get a starting spot, but Whis & Co have earned nothing but trust.

Whoever gets the RG spot is OK in my book.

As for Johnson, he may have the skill set to play G, but I think he gets a look from tackle as long as possible, 6’8" on the inside can really screw with a QB’s passing lanes, especially Warner, at 6’2".

I don’t have an averages chart, but I’d say the height-wise an average QB range is probably around 6’3"-6’6", average guard height around 6’2"-6’5", and average tackle height around 6’5"-6’8". Tackles will usually be taller than guards, although hardly a rule, it’s usually something common.

by superpsck on Jul 22, 2009 9:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks! Good to be here, it's a fantastic site and everyone should be proud.

The only reason I can speak to any extent on Lutui is I watched him and Brown… a lot. I did my own little write up last year (I hope the site doesn’t mind the link):

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/after-action-review-deuce-lutui-and-levi-brown-129750.html

by superpsck on Jul 22, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I knew your name looked familiar

That’s still a great writeup.

Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

by Bezekira on Jul 23, 2009 6:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks! Looking over it, when I was linking it, I think there’s a lot of presentation things I would have done differently to make it more readable.

Anyway, back to football.

by superpsck on Jul 23, 2009 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

No worries, I’ll take quality content over presentation any day. That’s one reason I love ROTB. It’s relatively easy to add pics and what not to your posts.

Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

by Bezekira on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

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