Arizona Cardinals Pre-Training Camp Roster Projections: Full Back
Our pre-training camp roster projections lands on quite possibly the least glamorous position in the NFL today. Not
only do full backs get very little love or attention but their also a dying breed. There was a time when these 'guards wearing tail back numbers' who substituted huge shoulder for necks were celebrated, but today they are practically an endangered species. Today the league prefers three wide out sets as opposed to the power I and 'hybrid' fullbacks who can contribute on special teams but is there a place for the traditional 'fire hydrant' type of fullback on this Cardinals roster?
On the Bubble
Dan Kreider, Tim Castille, Justin Green
The Cardinals carried two fullbacks last year, one traditional (Terrelle Smith) and one hybrid (Tim Castille) but that's not the NFL norm. It'll be interesting to see if Whisenhunt and his staff chose to go with two fullbacks again or if they can settle on one fill multiple roles. For the record, no one is eligible for the practice squad.
Dan Kreider: If ever there was a player who could have "Whiz and Grimm guy" stamped on his forehead it would be Dan Kreider. He is quite simply a hand in the ground, mud on the jersey, old school full back. In ten NFL seasons he racked up a grand total of 32 carries and two touchdowns. He doesn't play special teams and he doesn't have the ball in his hands very often. When Kreider (5-11, 250) is in the game, he's there to act as a lead blocker and when he's healthy, he's awful good at it.
Tim Castille: Castille is the new wave of he NFL fullback. He can play special teams, he can catch the ball out of the backfield and he can carry the ball on occasion and he can even block a little, but up until this point he really hasn't been utilized by the Cards. Entering his third season, this could be the year that Castille (5-11, 238) grabs a hold of the fullback job and never looks back. If he's improved his blocking enough, he just might impress the coaching staff enough to reduce the fullback position to a single player.
Justin Green: Green is a bit of an unknown at this point considering that he was signed to a futures contract earlier in the off season which means that he didn't play in the league in 2008. We can't find any reports of him missing the season due to injuries although there are rumors that some sort of injury led to his release in Baltimore and his one day stint with the Jets. If there is such a thing as a 'tweener' fullback, then Green probably fits that role. He was a tail back in college but has spent his professional career as a full back and special team's player. He's described as an adequate blocker though so he's got a chance considering that he's only 27.
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The full back spot looks like a virtual crap shoot and just about any combination, outside of retaining all three seem realistic. Maybe it's the same thought process as last year with Krieder replacing Smith or maybe Castille's time as a hybrid experiment is over and they keep just Kreider as a traditional blocking back. Then again maybe they decide that Green is the best of both worlds and he's the guy that sticks and even farther out there is the possibility that Dominique Byrd's experimentation with the H-back role works so well that they don't even keep a full back (even I'll admit that sounds pretty crazy for Whiz and Grimm). How do you think it'll play out?
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I'm a bit old-school
I love the FB position. There’s nothing better than a great lead blocker and it’s the reason why guys like Richardson and O’Neal keeping finding work when 10 years ago they would have been phased out. Smith was always a pleasure to watch work.
I was really hoping Karney or Kuhn were going to sign with the Red, but Krieder is an excellent guy to have on the squad (what’s with all the K fullbacks?)
Versatility is great, but I don’t think this team should start the season without a banger.
by superpsck on Jul 25, 2009 11:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Some of the best offenses ever had the traditional lead blocker and I’d like to see us develop an offense very similar to what the Cowboys of the early 90’s ran (hopefully I don’t lose my membership here for mentioning those shitheads in a positive light).
I don’t have any kind of feel, however, for where we might be going with the FB position. I remember reading that Smith was deemed expendable because he wasn’t a contributor on special teams, then we immediately go out and sign Kreider who brings the same characteristics to the position that Smith did. Whiz strikes me as the type who would like to have a good blocker at both the FB & TE positions, but the seemingly contradictory release/signing of Smith and Kreider has me lost in this discussion.
by Long Beach on Jul 25, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith/Krieder does seem like treading water, but is Krieder a physical upgrade at this point in his career over Smith? Quicker or stronger? They made the move for a reason, but you bring up an interesting point.
by superpsck on Jul 25, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think I’m rooting for Castille out of the bunch. His college report (check out the profile on the Cards website) sounded pretty good for both blocking and the hybrid stuff. Not a fan of bringing in Kreider at all, I would rather have kept Smith — I’m a little tired of recycling the Steelers’ defunct vets and Smith’s actually younger — but a good lead blocker is a nice thing to have around. Look at Lorenzo Neal, for example. ‘07 Chargers running attack with him vs. ’08 Chargers running attack w/o him. (other factors notwithstanding) Regardless, for me it depends on what Castille’s NFL capable of, and whether or not Green does some things right.
Homegrown, versatile, let’s go Castille.
by tw3kr on Jul 26, 2009 12:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
Kreider seems ok, but I liked Smith.
by CardsDefense on Jul 27, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good ideas Hawkwind
I am betting Whiz keeps two FBs again, and it is Castille and Kreider. I like Smith too but there is not denying blocking is how Kreider has made his meal money, Castille I would have to think is a rung behind Kreider in blocking.
But the idea of Byrd pushing through and playing a hybrid FB/TE spot is appealing.
That said if we do keep two FBs and it is Kreider and Castille I would like to see Castille get more screen passes. Doubtful though since I am betting Jason Wright is more effective in that role.
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by Undrafteds on Jul 27, 2009 10:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
















