Steelers Topple the Arizona Cardinals 20-10: First Impressions
The Arizona Cardinals took the field for the first time since the Super Bowl and they performed about like you'd expect them to in the first preseason game of the year. Some guys looked rusty. Some guys looked sloppy. Some guys looked like they never took a break during the off season and the result was a game completely controlled by both team's defensive units until the fourth quarter. Outside of a key turnover that set the Steelers up inside the Cardinals' five yard line, the Red Birds almost dominated the reigning Super Bowl champs, but the preseason experience can't be measured in the box score or the score board. It's more or less about how the individuals played against whatever level of competition they were facing. There were certainly some guys who impressed and there were others who were disappointing to say the least. Here's how we saw it....
The Good
- Michael Ray Garvin: I had to start with Garvin because by the end of game I was sitting on the edge of my seat every time the Steelers either punted or kicked off. He handed most of the return duties last night and was about as good as you could expect, averaging 30 yards per kick return and ten yards per punt return. When he hits top speed he's clearly the fastest person on the field and his ability to sift through traffic and make people miss is better than I expected. He also got some snaps as a receiver, catching one ball for 15 yards, but he also dropped a pass that was thrown slightly behind him that ended up being intercepted. I'll look past his shortcomings as a receiver because if he makes this roster it won't as a wide out, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets quite few more looks as a returner.
- Calais Campbell: One tackle and one assist might not look like much in the box score but Campbell had quite game considering he only played the first half. In the base defense he lined up at end before shifting down to tackle on passing downs but where ever he lined up, he made plays. He should have had a sack and a safety on Ben Roethlisberger but Big Ben broke out of the tackle and Campbell put pressure on Ben a couple of other times. Where he was most impressive though was against the run. Campbell not only held his ground more often than not, but his ability to shed blocks was most impressive. He was facing Max Starks for most of the night (a guy the Steelers gave a big contract to this off season) and Campbell threw him around like a rag doll. If last night was any indication of how well Campbell plays, the Cardinals won't miss Antonio Smith.
- Michael Adams: I came away with two thoughts about Adams after last night. First, we should all hope that he never has to take a single snap as a starting corner back and secondly, I absolutely want him on this team. His' height, or lack thereof, is a complete liability when he's lined up at corner and that was never more evident than on a deep ball against Limas Sweed. With eight inches of height advantage, Sweed barely jumped and while Adams had trouble locating the ball, it wouldn't really have mattered. He also broke up a deep pass (almost intercepted it really) but he only caught up to the pass because it the ball was underthrown. So why was he impressive then? No other defensive player on the field last night, first string all the way to fourth string, was more aggressive and willing to throw his body at the ball carrier than Adams. He routinely cut down Steelers' ball carriers just as you thought they were about to make it around the corner. Adams plays "balls to the wall" every second he's on the field and that's exactly what makes him a good special teams player and valuable to this team.
- Tyler Palko: If someone watched last nights game and had no idea of who the quarterbacks were or how the depth chart was supposed to line up, they probably came away thinking that Palko was the Cardinals best quarterback. Granted he was playing against guys who will most likely end up on a practice squad somewhere (at best), but he still flashed some qualities that make you think he'll land on a 53 man roster somewhere this season. He's got a strong arm, escapability and a certain knack for making me inch closer to the edge of my seat every time he drops back. His final line (8 of 15 for 103 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT) is a decent line but even that doesn't do justice to how well he played because the lone interception was a dropped pass by Garvin. If you missed the game you absolutely have to go back and watch the highlights to see Palko scramble out of the pocket and try to hurdle a defender in order to reach the sidelines.
- Also, on Palko: Maybe this was just late light delirious talk but I started to form a conspiracy theory in my head. If the Cardinals really view Leinart as the future, maybe it makes more sense to keep Palko as the backup instead of BSP because Palko is also left handed. That's of course all based on this one time that I've seen Palko play but he was that impressive.
The Bad
- Alan Branch: I re-watched every single play that Branch was on the field and came away with thinking that his "light bulb," as Whiz referred to it last year, still has some faulty wiring. Branch played with the third string facing the Steelers' 7th round rookie center, AQ Shipley, most of the night and he was absolutely dominated. Branch was able to get a step or two into the backfield a couple of time but more often that not Shipley had his way with him. For whatever reason Branch likes to try and spin, or just flat out turn his back to a defender, when he's getting driven back and it just results in him getting pancaked or pushed out of the play even faster. Towards the very end of the game it looked like Branch was lining up at defensive end but the Cardinals defensive fronts were getting pretty goofy by the end of the game so it was hard to tell. Either way though Branch didn't do anything to change the perception that most of us already have of him.
- Levi Brown and Mike Gandy: It's tough to say that they had a bad game so I'll just say that I'm very glad we don't play Pittsburgh on a regular basis because neither Brown or Gandy can handle the Steelers' OLBs. LaMarr Woodley blew by Levi Brown to nail Warner, in what Jon Gruden called a coverage sack, but it looked awful quick to my eyes. James Harrison didn't register a sack but he put Gandy on skates a couple of times and it was pretty evident who was the superior player.
- Defensive Management: Bill Davis had a rough start to his tenure as the Cardinals defensive coordinator and twice while the first team defense was on the field they had to burn timeouts because they either had to many men on the field or weren't aware of the down and distance. The first time it was pretty understandable because what looked like a Steelers' first down was actually ruled a third and short so the Cardinals burned time out just the third play from scrimmage. The second time though it looked like there were 15 Cardinals' defenders on the field and there were more coming in from the sidelines.
The Ehhh
- Quarterback Play (not including Palko): Warner was ok but he still didn't look like Warner. He looks stiff on the field and his passes just didn't seem to have the same zip on them. Matt Leinart had a shaky start (1 for 4) but once he settled down, he actually got into a decent rhythm and led the Cardinals on their best drive of the night. On the drive, an 85 yarder that ended on downs at the Pittsburgh seven, Leinart was six of nine for 69 yards. His stat line was saved though by a phantom pass interference call at the end of first half when he bombed a pass Sean Morey that was picked off. The pick was overturned by a defensive pass interference call (even though the PA should have gone against Morey) but Leinart was just throwing it deep at the end a half. Finally Brian St. Pierre had the worst night of any Cardinals' QB completing just four of ten passes for 42 yards and an interception, but I can't help but think that it was a 'hard luck' night. One pass was dropped and another dinked off the helmet of Elton Brown but the interception was just a poor read and a bad decision. He was also done in by some really poor pass protection considering that he was the only QB to sacked more than once (he went down three times). Still though he certainly didn't do anything tonight to put pressure on Matt Leinart.
- Pass Rush: The Cardinals didn't record a sack last night, although they had decent pressure for most of the night. Campbell broke free a couple of times, almost getting a sack once and laying a decent hit on Ben another time. Adrian Wilson and Keith Lewis both had unblocked paths to the QB on safety blitzes but the QB's got rid of the ball. Will Davis showed a decent speed move late in the game and just missed a sack and forced fumble when Dennis Dixon shuffled up in the pocket. Karlos Dansby also broke through the line of scrimmage once and would have at least pressured Ben if not for a hold, or at least it should have been called a hold. On a good and bad note, Bill Davis obviously likes to blitz and I think if tonight was any indication we'll see more blitzing this year, but he also loves the 'line stunts' where the end and tackle twist. The line stunts didn't seem to have any effect last night and just make Cody Brown and other reserves look lost.
- Backup Running Backs: First it's worth mentioning that if you were worried about Whisenhunt calling a more conservative game based around the running game, according to last night you shouldn't be. The Cardinals ran the ball just 16 times (versus 49 pass attempts) and one of those runs was a scramble by Palko. LaRod Stephens-Holwing and Jason Wright both had similar games in my mind. They both looked skittish and danced a bit but then settled down to have decent showing. LSH had six rushes for 24 yards, most of which came on a 13 yard scamper, but also showed that while he's a willing pass protector, he doesn't have enough sand in his shorts to hold off a rushing linebacker. He looked like child trying to trip a bulldozer at one point. Wright only carried the ball three times for eleven yards but he showed his value as a pass protector a couple of times and that's where he'll make his mark.
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Overall I'd say that this is kind of what we should have expected from the first preseason game but at least it wasn't too terriblly sloppy (just four penalties). What stood out to you and what needs to be improved upon the most?
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I have to say....
Greg Toler was pretty impressive. Had a nice tackle in the backfield for a loss and he had some tough passes to break up broken up.
As for the defense starting off bad with the timeouts, I’ll give them that in the first few preseason games but hopefully this isn’t a problem coming into week 4 of the preseason.
by Pyromnc on Aug 14, 2009 8:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Toler looks to have a lot of potential.
Campbell looked great. I’d like to have seen him take Big Ben down for the safety, but he certainly isn’t the first defender to have his tackle broken in that spot.
Herman Johnson looked pretty good to me.
I hope LSH gets more chances to make the team.
by jallred350 on Aug 14, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea LSH did pretty good with the chances he was given and I would like to see what he can do on the return game.
by Pyromnc on Aug 14, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that one play were LSH juked like two defenders before getting hauled down trying to juke another was pretty good
It certainly pulled me up outta the chair. That guys ankles have got to be hurting today
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sprained my own ankles on that one!
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by sc464 on Aug 14, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liked LSH better than Wright
Toler has a ton of raw potential. Woodley and Harrison worked us over a bit, is there a team that can’t say that though.
by badmatty53 on Aug 14, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true....Wright doesn't have much
but I don’t think we want LSH back there trying to pick up blizting LB’s…..
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palko
He was the most exciting player on the field for the Cardinals all game. I would like to see more of Palko before St Pierre or Leinart
by cardinalsgirl on Aug 14, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed....welcome to ROTB
Palko seems to have that ‘fearless gunslinger’ mentality. I loved the play where he stepped up in the pocket and dumped of a short pass to Chris Vincent with two guys draped all over him. The play went for nothing but it just showed how he wouldn’t give up on a play and it was especially noticeable after watching St. Pierre just lower his head and give up on a play once the rush got to him.
I can’t wait to see some more Palko.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little early BUT...
…Palko showed some skills last night. He throws a really nice deep ball. He’s active on his feet. He hurdles defenders (?!). Put an LA Express #8 uniform and that’s who I was reminded of. It’s a little early but if Haley wants BSP, he can have him most likely.
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by Hawkwind on Aug 14, 2009 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely excited to see more Palko.
was he an undrafted pick up or just bounced around practice squads?
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by sc464 on Aug 14, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved the article but..
You missed the best play of the night…how about that open field tackle by Herman Johnson on the second to last play of the first half?? How does a NFL defensive back (albeit a second-stringer) get tackled in the open field by a 382 lb offensive lineman..Hilarious!!
I also wasn’t quite so disappointed with LSH, I agree that he danced around a bit much off tackle, but his first run right up the middle he was able to get lost in the blockers and make 6 or 7 yards with nothing there.
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by StuckinColorado on Aug 14, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That was chuckle-worthy but the phantom PI call and cheap FG caused me to overlook it
Palko’s scramble and first throw to Onrea Jones was my favourite play of the game.
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by Hawkwind on Aug 14, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, Palko's leap frog and land on his head were my fav
Dude has no fear.
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
next big name in cleats
THE “AIR PALKOS”
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by sc464 on Aug 14, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved watching Boldin’s facial expression in the background. He said, “what the ….” just as Palko made his leap.
Section 102, Row 18
by CardsFan08 on Aug 14, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palko’s scramble was awesome and was also one of my favorites. I also like the play with Adams jumping up against Sweed and then smacking that ball out of his hands.
by Pyromnc on Aug 14, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Boldins face and every other player when they saw the leap. lol
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by Andrew602 on Aug 14, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Glad someone else caught that one.
Section 102, Row 18
by CardsFan08 on Aug 14, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice Victor Hobson on the field?
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by Hawkwind on Aug 14, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw him on the field but didn't see him do anything special.
by Pyromnc on Aug 14, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
I saw him number around the pile a couple times, rewound the DVR and saw him struggling to get off blocks. All of our backup LB’s just looked like a bunch of spares if you ask me. Even Highsmith, who looked timid. That’s something we didn’t see last year but hopefully he’s just working the rust off missing so much time last year.
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another player that made some nice plays was Dominic Byrd.
He made some nice catches with the chances he had.
by Pyromnc on Aug 14, 2009 9:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yea did anyone see how he fared blocking?
He’s always been able to catch but Whiz wants the total package.
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I saw him throw some good blocks in there
but I am not completely sure it was him. I’ll have to go back and look at it.
by Pyromnc on Aug 14, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to tell
He looked solid but he was down field most of the time so he wasn’t in the carmera. He clearly brings another aspect to the position. Pope was unimpressive.
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by mbn on Aug 14, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was impressed with Leinarts second drive, I think he got the ball further during that one than all of the other QBs did in one drive. Palko looked great, Herman had a great tackle,
Pierre needs to be cut as soon as possible. He blew every chance he had, I was begging to have them put Leinart or Palko in while they kept giving him chances. I know hes your buddy Whiz, but he is not good enough.
by JoeCB1991 on Aug 14, 2009 9:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone think that the James Harrison takedown of Leinart was kind of dirty?
I think it’s actually the one in the picture above but basically he got to Leinart right as he was throwing but instead of letting up or just tackling him he sorta drove him back and then picked up on the back of Leinart’s thighs and body slammed him. Maybe it wasn’t that bad but it seemed excessive especially for the preseason.
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 9:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be the first time Harrison made a play like that. That's just how he is.
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by Andrew602 on Aug 14, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was good for Matty
after he got slammed he kinda woke up out of his trance and starting throwing completions
by CardsDefense on Aug 14, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
yet it was most definitely an illegal hit because he “drove through”. I was a little upset about it and very surprised there was no call on the play. Had it been A-Dub all the refs would have thrown a flag.
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by sc464 on Aug 14, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And its nice to see that he could take a hit like that.
He had season ending injuries teice when he was sacked like he was last night. Leinart looks a lot tougher now.
by JoeCB1991 on Aug 14, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My heart stopped every time Warner's pocket started to break down.
It’s a matter of time, that hip doesn’t look to sturdy…
by badmatty53 on Aug 14, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
Did you see his interview with Susie Colber (or whatever he name is), after it was over they kept the camera on KW as he walked away and for the first couple of steps he had a noticeable limp. I really wish he’d take a week or two off and let that thing heal. Let BSP and Leinart get some first team reps and keep KW ready for the real games.
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was freaking out when he was picked up off of the ground and then smashed up in the pile. One guy up top and the other twisting his legs on the bottom.
The man needs to heal and stay well. That was very scary.
Section 102, Row 18
by CardsFan08 on Aug 14, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MRG
Did great on returning kicks. Looked a little timid and unsure of his hands on fielding punts though. He clearly has excellant speed and vision but needs to get a little stronger. There were some arm bars that misdirected him. Once he gets stronger and more confident he will be able to run through them I think. I know for sure that on either his 1st or 2nd return had he not gotten held up just a little bit by someones arm he would have taken it to the house.
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by sc464 on Aug 14, 2009 10:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not strong enough. Really???
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by hevchv on Aug 14, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
tbh
that just proves he has tone over bulk…you need the latter in the nfl
(impressive though it is)
by beanbaglovers on Aug 14, 2009 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ripped yes
But strong no. He needs to get thicker. Did you see when he would get his whole upper body turned around as he was running full plast straight ahead? He has to be able to run straight through that stuff. Don’t get me wrong I liked what I saw. Give him some time, a little bulk and see you later
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by sc464 on Aug 15, 2009 1:43 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on commentary...
I just got done with my second review of the tape.
I focused on RG/RT (starters and backups) on offense and the RE/DT’s on defense. More on that in a sec…
I’ve got nothing to add in regard to Campbell except he’s going to be a great asset when it comes to limiting the outside running game, his lateral ability is just intense. He’s great at blowing up zone blocking stretch plays because of his uncanny ability to get ‘skinny’ and slide between the blocks.
A quick word about defensive scheme. The 3-safety-set returns. Rolle and Wilson swap shallow coverage (adding to the mystery of a potentially blitzing Wilson) Fransico had deep responsibility on the plays I saw. Most people probably call this a nickel package with Rolle in the slot, and that’s as accurate, but for some reason, I just see it as it’s own formation.
The Cards also had a 2-lineman set. 2 DT’s (in this case Dockett and Campbell) line up in the A and B gap, while 2 LB’s are lined up in the 9 in a two-point stance (in this case Okeafor and Berry). This formation has got zone-blitz potential up the wazoo. It was also featured later with Brown and another ‘tweener, but this time with their hands down, masking a 4 line set. The trick is here, Brown ends up fake-rushing in before peeling off outside. We’ll see what the long term is for this formation. It probably showed up last year, but I don’t remember seeing it, off the top of my head.
Of course, my memory is shot.
Gabe Watson got a couple plays in with the backups and dominated, really and truly. He looked winded early and I was worried about him against the starters, but he got warm there. He’s what you want in a NT. He commands double teams. Branch on the otherhand, is doubled right out of the zone.
Kenny Iwebema’s better than Branch at this point, and he’s clearly lost a little something since having chest surgery. He’ll get back to where he was though.
In the meantime, the depth on the D-line worries me.
On Levi’s coverage sack, Warner got to hold the ball for between 3 1/2- 4 seconds. That’s not really what I think of when I hear “coverage sack” but I couldn’t see the receivers either and I do trust Gruden’s judgement.
Either way though, I know that Brown wants that play back.
Another play I know Levi wants back is a disguised blitz. You’ll remember this play as Hightower’s short draw for a first down. The LB on his side (I think Woodley again) faked the inside blitz but bounced outside at the snap.
We can look at this two ways.
1) Because Brown knew it was a draw, he stayed inside to help seal the middle. If he did, he didn’t have much of an impact on the man he was doubling, Hightower met contact at the hole and had to bully his way forward.
2) Brown missed the outside move. This is a problem because the draw took some time to develop and the LB almost got to the QB and RB in the backfield.
Again, no matter what happened, I do think that Brown is going to work on this.
A good word on Brown: He’s an exceptional down field blocker. In a screen or a rush play where he gets to find a LB or god forbid a member of the secondary, that person is going to eat it. You may think ‘sure, he’s got size advantage’ but when a lot of linemen get to the second level they aren’t fast enough to do more then get in the way. Brown takes them out. He may not have elite footspeed falling back, but he’s got a tremendous forward gear. I really wish there were more outside plays to take advantage of that.
Deuce had an really solid game. He’s taking the competition to heart. He had no real noticeably bad plays. Good for him.
Let’s talk about the backups.
A quick reminder though, what these guys are facing in terms of talent may be a half-step back. No one who made it to the NFL flat sucks. So they’re playing physical beats, only slightly less capable then the starters.
It’s recognition, reaction, and playcalling that make for a starter.
These were some fairly vanilla defenses Keith and Johnson faced, so they’re ability to this point may be slightly overated.
For a rookie, Johnson looked real good at RT, with only one or two blemishes. When he gets tired, he cheats inside, twice bouncing off the quad of Keith as he backpedals. A guy that size is gonna leave a hell of a bruise on Keith. His other problem came, no surprise from pure outside rushes.
That said, the draftnicks who questioned his punch? I gotta disagree. When he pops up into his man, they stand, no choice in the matter and for a guy his size he does have above-average mobility.
Now let’s talk about Keith.
I’m his biggest supporter. We went to the same school around the same time (UNI) so I got to see him play and you had to love how he and Rinehart owned the line in college. I was thrilled to see him become a Cardinal. So my view is always going to be a little tainted.
But I believe in being as objective as possible, and simply recognize my limitations.
All said, Keith had a rough game and probably lost a little traction in his battle to start.
He wound up on the ground 4 times. Because of the angle, it was tough to tell why (shot at the knees, tangled feet, or bad balance?). One particular play, it appears he just got washed out in a very good swim.
But he continues to be a great pass protector and he often anchors his point. When he makes contact the guy he’s locked on doesn’t move.
He’s got very active hands, but they appear to really lose some mustard the longer he’s on the field.
Keith’s gotta have a dynamite next couple games if he wants to get there. I still wonder if maybe he is better off being a tackle. I’d really like to see him moved to RT, and have Brown get a shot at LT one day.
by superpsck on Aug 14, 2009 10:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
great stuff.....where to begin
- I also really liked that two down lineman and two OLB’s look that they rolled out on passing downs. DD and CC can cause havoc there and it puts DD where he’s comfortable, rushing from the inside. If the OLB on his side can be a factor, he might even see some single blocks.
- I sorta agree on Levi, but overall I was disappointed with his play. I keep waiting for this guy to “get it” and become an above average starter but I don’t think it’s going to happen. He can’t handle speed rushers and he’s not the ‘mauler’ that his draft profile described. He may be great at picking up blocks at the second level but that’s guard/center material, not tackle stuff. I was happy with Lutui though.
- I kept a close eye on Keith and Johnson and they were decent. They had their bad spots but you could tell Whiz wanted to run behind them more often than not and they did a decent job of opening up some holes. HJ struggled with pure speed but that’s to be expected. Overall neither of them did much to help or hurt their case as quality backups with future starting potential.
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by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
In the back of my mind I’ve wondered if we’re looking at a similar situation to Leonard Davis. Could Brown excel on the inside?
Maybe, but without that ‘mauler’ thing going on, he’s probably best on the outside.
A conundrum. I think he’s going to make slow progress still. He may never be a probowler, but I think he could be a solid starter.
by superpsck on Aug 14, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 ??s.
1. What does your name mean?
2. Can we count on you for a weekly unofficial breakdown of the games? Pretty good stuff and pretty indepth. I think the more the merrier. I love all of the quality breakdowns from diffrerent perspectives (you, Bezekira, Hawkwind, etc.).
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by hevchv on Aug 14, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi and Thanks
My online handle is actually ‘superspck’. I accidentally transposed two letters while registering and am too lazy to change it.
Certain people assume it’s a racial slur, but it’s actually a goofy play on my service days.
I really enjoy this site, there’s some excellent writing, top-notch interviews, and although it’s got its admitted bias (we’re fans we can’t help it!) it’s upfront about them and a lot less homer-y than many other sites.
I’m more than happy to share my thoughts, but as I’m stuck in MN it can sometimes take me as long as a week to see the game.
Thanks for all the words though.
by superpsck on Aug 16, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Keith and Johnson
I watched the right side as well and was quite satisfied with Keith and Johnson. I thought Keith did better than Johnson, espcially in pass coverage. I was not a big fan of the 2 tackle, 2 OLB front in passing situations. I understand the reasons but they seemed to get more pressure in a 3-4.
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by mbn on Aug 14, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I thought Herman did well for his first pro game. Vallejo looked totally lost in his first but then that’s the difference between RFA and draft pick.
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by Hawkwind on Aug 15, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
(REASSURING) - YOU SAW WHAT I SAW...
Rather than repeat it, I’ll just add a few points -
What I liked about Palko is that (a) he came in and immediately made things happen and (b) he did so with his feet, escape-instincts, decisiveness and a surprising gun (many of those throws had to be zinged – and they were). I’m not sure I’d put him in the same league as Leinart (who was more than OK after he shook off the rust) but I’m just hoping that Wiz will continue to not do the conventional thing (i.e. cut Palko and keep St. Pierre), because Tyler can do things Matt and Kurt can’t do and, therefore, give us a change of pace. Besides, St. Pierre looked really jittery in both his decision-making and execution.
I think the key to Adams succeeding here has more to do with Billy Davis than it does Michael – i.e. when he’s in there, it is crucial that the scheme we run avoids matching up Michael with tall Sweed-like receivers. At least give him some help over the top if he gets caught in a zone or man mismatch.
I thought Stephens-Howling was stronger and tougher than expected as an inside runner and – comparing him to Wright (whom admittedly wasn’t given many touches) – he looks like he has the explosion and wiggle to better fill JJ Arrington’s shoes than does Wright. I’m almost tempted to say that the #3 job is now Stephen-Howling’s to lose and it will be up to Wright to step up and win back the position.
Regarding “who won” – when you consider representing the top 30 – 40 -players on the 80-man roste of either team, the final score was really 3 – 3. That said – I hate losing.
GBR
by jeffgollin@aol.com on Aug 14, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great comments Jeff.
- I’m right at the same spot in saying it’s almost LSH’s spot to lose. Wright just looked okay. LSH was a different kind of back and he fought defenders hard when they came in on the blitz.
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by CardsFan08 on Aug 14, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No significant injuries!!!!!
Is the most important item on the good side of any preseason game in my opinion.
Having said that, I am definetly looking forward to seeing some more Palko.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 14, 2009 12:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AND OH YEAH, I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT TOLER
He broke up a couple of passes wirth nice breaks on the ball near the end of the game.
And also – I did think Urban was a bit lazy in coming back for the ball that Burnett picked off. What’s with that?
GBR
by jeffgollin@aol.com on Aug 14, 2009 12:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Urban
I didn’t see that but the guys on the telecast kept going on and one about how the pick was just as much Urban’s fault as BSP’s. I didn’t see it that way but whatever. For the record I don’t think Urban ever saw that guy, he just flashed in front, swiped it and was gone.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urban not at fault for the pick
Urban may have not sold the deep route as well as he could, but that corner was sitting on the route. He was either in a modified cover two with help over top or he was just taking a big risk because he never opened up his hips. If Urban would have gone deep he would have blown past the corner, which leads me to believe there was help over top that we couldn;t see on the TV. Whatever the reason the coner was squading the route, St Pierre should have seen that. Bad read.
MBN
by mbn on Aug 14, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
UCF Knights Baby.
Burnet was extremely explosive here at UCF as well. I heard talk everyday before the draft that he would make some team proud. Kinda hoped it would be with us, but I digress.
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by hevchv on Aug 14, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KEEP REMEMBERING ADDITIONAL STUFF...
Biggest bummer was the way our inside run defense sagged in the 4Q.
It seemed like we had no one in there willing to take on Redman.
I’m not sure this was because their offensive scrubs were better than our defensive scrubs or whether some our interior guys simply ran out of gas or “wanna.”
GBR
by jeffgollin@aol.com on Aug 14, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Branch had alot to do with that
he was pathetic and couldn’t gain any ground against a rookie.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our first team was great stuffing the run though.
Wish we would have put more pressure on Turdburger though…
by badmatty53 on Aug 14, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Line Depth???
Iwebema was clearly a little light and not up to speed, and I thought Watson looked winded at time as well but I thought they both did well enough , especially Watson. After that… For a 330+ man Branch looked like he was dancing with the o-line. Leisle was non existant once the ball was snapped and poor Alex Field was completely lost. There were times when he just stood up out of his stance and watched. I pray Dykes’ thigh gets better soon. If I was deciding right now, I would cut both Branch and Leisle and look to the wire and see what I could find.
MBN
by mbn on Aug 14, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea that DL depth is thin without Dykes and a half speed Iwebema
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LIKE ME SOME PALKO
I was impressed watching him in camp and after seeing the game he played last nite if I was WHIZ BSP would be history and Matty and Palko would be competing for the back-up spot…that leap was amazing and he seemed to have some zing to his passes….
by GirlyCardsFan on Aug 14, 2009 12:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy with the Palko love
I know he was fun to watch in what was a sand-lot game but everyone one on the field was hoping to make the practice squad. We were not talking about the cutting edge of talent and he usually did his best when the play broke down, which was just about every time.
MBN
by mbn on Aug 14, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
DB Observations
Francisco and Lewis are in a competition. Didn’t feel either stood out although if I had to give one the edge it was probably Lewis. R. Johnson was… there. I wanted to see more but he didn’t impress or mess up. He was just there. Didn’t shine in special teams either. Toler has ability but you could see in a couple of plays that he still is raw and needs to work on his technique and espcially his reads. I know Adams has a big heart for a small body but there is no way I can see him making this team, although he had a good game for a guy who gives up half a foot most of the time. I think Ware has a better chance than Adams. Ware had a solid game. Did anyone see R. Brown?? He didn’t show up on my radar.
MBN
by mbn on Aug 14, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummm,
Yeah he was cut a LONG time ago
Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.
by sc464 on Aug 15, 2009 1:46 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
-1...?
Ralph Brown was not cut.
Yes, I did see him. No, I don’t remember noticing him doing much.
by tw3kr on Aug 15, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph was in for a bit
I’m guessing this was Adams’ game to show what he can do since he played for most of it. I wouldn’t be surprised in Brown had that duty in the next game. Then again, Brown is a known quantity with a healthy resume of experience. Adams, Toler, Fontenot, Dowling, and Davis are unknowns and will have to show they have much more potential than keeping Ralph for another year (okay, Toler is a lock considering his draft status).
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on Aug 16, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zssQB78uzmI
can someone unearth/post a clip of the palko hurdle please?
by beanbaglovers on Aug 14, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Stephens-Howling played well
He showed a tremendous burst when hitting the holes and picked up rushers pretty good.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 14, 2009 1:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
if you thought he picked up rushers well you must have been watching the wrong game
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Aug 14, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he did well was anticipating the rush and getting in front of it. The problem is that he was trying to play about 6 inches and 50lbs. heavier than he actually is. If they work on his technique he could be okay. He just braced himself and waited for the impact. I didn’t see him moving his feet at all.
by tw3kr on Aug 14, 2009 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
R.J. did well
no stand out plays, but he was near the ball a lot (never out of position) and made some good tackles.
by CardsDefense on Aug 14, 2009 2:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's my take...
On that Kool Aid (the good):
-Michael Ray Garvin. Had to spell his name because that’s how impressive he was tonight. Anyone remember me parralelling his career path to Hester? Its o.k. He may be an even better returner. OOOOHHHH Scary. Almost makes me forget he went to FSUcks. NOT!!!
-Timmy. He must have taken our advise because he stopped dancing and went north and south with authority. He really looked good. I almost shed a tear.
-Matty. Once he settled he looked a world better.
-Tyler. I don’t care what unit he was going up against. He made all the right reads.
-Michael Ray Garvin. Did I already mention him?
-KD. He was a beast.
-CC. He was also.
-1st team D. Dominated the line of scrimmage.
-Iwebema. He looked strong against the run. Very happy with that.
-Deuce. And how could I forget about Deuce. Not one bone headed play. Wow.
-O line(interior edition). Overall, I think the 1st unit did a great jobwith both pass pro and run blocking.
-TEs. Ben and Nique both looked pretty solid to me. I even saw Pope throw a good block.
Need that Kool Aid (the bad):
-Branch. Nuf said.
-Trel. Well he didn’t get injured this time, but he sucked just as bad on punt returns.
-O Line (tackles edition). Stupid Vallejo getting hurt. I just know his pass pro would have been better than Mike “pick a side and I’ll go the other way” Gandy. I still think he is useless. Yes I’m basing my opinions on his last two games which just happen to be against the Steelers, but he should have learned this time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice and I should just be cut cause I suck. Brown. I never liked his drafting anyway. I think he moves to guard and he can be a perrenial pro bowler .
-BSP. Between his poor play and the poor blocking from the line, nevermind. Its not even worth it.
-Kurt’s Limp. After the sideline interview with Kurt, he turned and walked away. Dude looked like he was in so much pain. I felt bad for him. If he goes out, we need another QB to back up Matty. If BSP continues to suck and we still keep him as the #3, I see Tyler leaving for a #3 job himself. If this is any indication, I don’t want to see BSP’s 2nd career pass. And to think I was on his bandwagon.
What, there’s Kool Aid (the ehh):
-The rookie LBs and secondary. 1st time under the lights of their 1st NFL game. They’ll be more visible next game.
-Vincent. Not enough to tell with him.
-Pass rush. Normally we run a vanilla defense around this time. Not too vanilla with all the blitzes, but still no sacks. Football is a game of inches and we were so close to a few. I guess I’m still encouraged.
-11 on the field. O.k. Bill, you’re not new to being a D coordinator. Let’s tighten up. Only 11 on the field at a time. Unless we are celebrating a victory and everbody rushes the field.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Magic, Cards,Rays and "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Aug 14, 2009 3:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy with the Palco love?
Are you kidding me? As St. Beware was falling down like a house of cards, all this kid did was make plays out of nothing. Same nasty pass rush Brian had. But my oh my. What a different result. He looked like a Fran Tarkington clone out there. Give this guy a chance to shine. I think hes a keeper
Also glad to see Toller show up. Everything I read was how raw he was. Well he hung with the pitt scrubs well enough. With the wideouts we have to practice against. He can only get better.
Finally M>R>G> SIGN HIM UP !
by colodon22 on Aug 14, 2009 4:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, easy.
Fran Tarkington? More like Sage Rosenfels… Don’t get me wrong, he didn’t “fumble the ball in spectacular fashion,” but oh my lord had he done something like that in-bounds, or as a starter… I would have shit myself and turned the TV off. It was fun to watch, yeah, but crazy and dangerous, too. He had a (much) better game than BSP. I do hope that he gets inserted into the competition, but am going to reserve judgment on both of them until the regular season. Or at least another game or two ;) St. Pierre has been a pre-season champ in the past, it’s obviously too early to declare him cut.
For being the hybrid guy, Castille was doing a lot of blocking. Tried to keep an eye on him, but will have to re-watch the game. Didn’t seem to be using his arms much (yay, no holding) but just kind of rammed into people with his head (boo, no technique). Was Maui’a on the field at all?
I think I was most disappointed by our reserve defense. Dixon certainly shined for the Steelers.
As for Michael Adams, I wasn’t too horrified. The big pass break-up was worth more than the flailing, stumbling failure on the sidelines.
Final thing was MRG, of course. I didn’t expect to be as enthralled as I am. Really exciting seeing him get the ball back there. Still looking forward to LSH on KR though. With Breaston waking up sore and leading our receivers, Whiz should get the message.
by tw3kr on Aug 14, 2009 8:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

















