Arizona Cardinals: Jeckyl and Hyde in 44-37 loss to Green Bay
What a game, albeit a preseason game.
First off, I had to wait on the re-air on NFL Network and then I had to wait for the wife to get bored with the Patriots' recording on TiVo before I could watch the Cardinals game. Something in my mind told me I wouldn't be missing much. I was right and wrong.
First Half — Hyde Please
Whether the Cardinals looked as bad as they did, especially on defense, or the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers are that good will have to wait for the regular season to prove (Week 17 to be exact). Kurt Warner was repeatedly harried by the Packers' swarming defense and never was quite in sync with the offense (10 of 16 for 139 yards, one interception and a couple of fumbles). For the first time in a couple of years I was wishing the Cards would just run the ball as Tim Hightower (six carries for 38 yards with a stellar long of 23 yards) and Chris "Beanie" Wells (seven carries for 46 yards with an "oh-face" touchdown run of 20-yards and another for two yards) were the only highlights of the first half. The Cardinals' defense was active but Aaron Rodgers was victimizing the secondary repeatedly. It didn't help that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was looking like a rookie again getting burned for a couple of touchdowns.
By the time the first half had ended it was 38-10 and I was in such a foul mood I turned off the game and slept on the couch. ::grumble, grumble:: Perhaps I was having a "hard hat" moment and had no faith in Matt Leinart but my "lack of faith" was reduced upon my continued viewing of the game this morning.
Second Half — Is There a Doctor (Jeckyl) in the House?
With a 38-10 score I was expecting some boring garbage time playing and was watching only to see how the "bubble" players were doing, especially on the defensive side of the ball (Hawkwind <3 Reggie Walker). Matt Leinart came out with effectively the first team offense and showed some flashes of what most Cardinals fan hope he will be (kinda like that Rodgers guy on the other team). His throws had zip on them and were quite catchable (alas, not frequently enough *cough*Doucet*cough*). With the Cardinals' defense holding the Brian Brohm-led Packers in check, Leinart (24 of 38 for 360 yards, three touchdowns and an interception) was able to lead the Cardinals to within a touchdown when Neil Rackers' self-possessed on-side kick gave the Cardinals an opportunity to win the game. Jason Wright showed some ability to navigate on two interior receptions, the second for a touchdown, making a case for the Cardinals to keep four running backs on the 53-man roster (pending LaRod Stephens-Howling's recovering from getting his bell rung). With the Cardinals going for the victory, Leinart tossed a perfect floater to Early Doucet who got two hands on the ball but couldn't secure the catch and the two-point conversion. Former Amsterdam Admiral Ruvell Martin recovers the following on-side kick easily and scores uncontested to effectively squelch any further "WTF" Cardinals come-back magic.
Upon Reflection
Matt Leinart: Seeing that Brian St. Pierre wasn't even dressed, Matt Leinart's job as the Cardinals' back-up QB is secure (was it really ever in doubt? Really? Really!). Granted, Leinart wasn't going against the Packers' first-team defense but Dom Capers wasn't playing a vanilla defense either. Matt and the second-team offense did well and in the back of my mind I am hearing a voice saying "start Leinart against Denver next week".
First-team Secondary: Is there a need to be worried still? Like most, I've figured the Cardinals' secondary was no longer a weak link but after yesterday's game I'm biting my lip and doubting them. Certainly the front seven could have helped by getting some better pressure but DRC looked, well, like crap. If it weren't for his long neck, his facial expressions were reminding me of David Macklin after getting beaten repeatedly. ::cringe:: He should have had an interception on the first Packers' drive but then he shouldn't be letting receivers past him for uncontested receptions either. At this point I have to write this off as preseason football and assume that with some game planning the secondary and overall defense will play much better against the 49ers in a couple of weeks.
Reggie Walker: Okay, I'm going to admit to being a total homer on this but damn, he looked good. He's been catching my eye since the Steelers' game and I'm breathing a sigh of relief knowing that he's on the roster. Who the back-up for Gerald Hayes and Karlos Dansby has been a nagging question (Pago? Ali?) and this UFA Rookie out of Kansas State is making a serious case to be that back-up.
Will Davis (?!): With Cody Brown likely out for the season after dislocating his wrist, Davis saw a lot of playing time and looked good, even great at times (sweet sack!). Davis was a shoo-in for the practice squad in most RotBer's minds but with the depth at outside linebacker looking weak, Davis' play is encouraging (#59 was doing well on kick-off coverages too).
Doucet vs. Morey vs. Long vs. Jones: Who is playing in Kansas City in Week One? Morey is too much of a beast on special teams and Long's fumbled punt return didn't help his case for replacing Sean. Onrea Jones has looked good but is just another big target on a team full of big targets. Early Doucet has the third round draft pick albatross around his neck which may explain his dropped balls. With Jerhame Urban solidifying his #4 WR spot, who deserves that #5? Is #6 still Morey's? Will Long or Jones clear waivers if that's their fate?
For the third preseason game, the first half results are discouraging and fill me with thoughts of "same ol' Cardinals" once more. Yet the depth of talent on this roster brushes those thoughts away with positive thoughts of "Defending NFC Champions". What are your thoughts, the RotB Faithful, and who do you think solidified their roster spot(s) on the Cardinals?
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What a Thriller!!
Even though I kept telling myself it’s only pre-season I was in regular season volume celebrating and yelling at the television. Rackers continues to amaze with his onside kicks (I’m glad he didnt bust his head open diving for that ball). Our running backs looked hella sexy in the first half and Jason Wright had those 2 shifty screen pass type plays later in the game. Our secondary looked worse than sloppy in the first half, obviously DRC stood out in that regard but so did Ralph Brown in my opinion who looked out of position on plays and missed tackles. Leinart looked promising and eases my mind on QB depth. Jerheme Urban didn’t fill in well for Boldin/Breaston though. I like how Urban plays and was pulling for him but he had a dropped ball or two and that fumble, he’s still good to have at #4 receiver but I can see why he is a #4 receiver. Okay I’m done typing my novel.
nice write up Hawk
Leinart looked great (where are you hardhat?) and the running game was pretty good but everything else was pretty blah.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Aug 29, 2009 2:30 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Some guys did well
There were plenty of negatives, but some guys looked good.
I thought Lance Long had a good game. He may have bobbled that punt return, but he didn’t let it become a turnover. Lance Long has had a great pre season, I hope he makes the final 53. Sean Morey stepped up big time. Doucet made some good plays, but he also didn’t make some that he really needed to. Byrd looked good. Also I saw some good effort by that new fullback from hawaii ( the juggernaut.) Obviously Matt and Beanie played great. Timmy and Fitz did great as well.
Kurt Warner looked old and slow most of the time. DRC and the rest of the secondary looked bad. Dockett was double teamed and made no impact on MOST plays. It seemed like the Packers knew the weaknesses of our defense very well and exploited them completely.
+1 on Byrd
Spach had by far his worst game as a Cardinal with dropped passes and penalties galore. The TE race is as clear as mud at this point. Pope? Spach? Byrd? Alex Shor resigns? Oi.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
The only things I was happy about were Leinart and Beanie, the rest were mediocre, or just plain disappointing.
HardHat is still hating Leinart, so I’ll just post what he said at azcentral to entertain everyone here, and hopefully keep him out because he won’t have to say anything.
Warner broke almost every single-season Cardinal QB record, tied Joe Montana’s playoff TD record, and led us to our first-ever NFC Championship Trophy and our first-ever trip to the Super Bowl.
But you just had to know that after Leinart completed a few passes in the 4th quarter versus future Green Bay club bouncers and taxi drivers, that his delusional fanboi’s would show up demanding that he get some first-team playing time.
HaHaHa!!!
Almost 4 years ago, he was the 10th pick of the draft. Now, he’s the star of the preseason toilet bowl picking on street free agents who will be out of the league next week.
Leinart’s USC homies must be high off the fumes from his jockstrap if they think he’s going to see the field under any condition short of an injury to Kurt or 4th quarter garbage time in a blowout.
Too bad the rest of the NFL isn’t buying into Leinart finally growing up… If they had, maybe we could trade him for a conditional 7th round pick and a couple beer vendors. But last offseason, Cutler and Cassel were the hot tickets. Nobody wanted ol’ Matty Boi.
I hate to say it...
But I agree with almost everything Hardhat says. I would hope that Arizona fans (and especially the more intelligent type here) would have more patience with Warner. Preseason is far too early to make absolute decisions about this team. Even last year, when they had clinched the playoffs and the games didn’t matter anymore, they played like crap. That might just be part of the makeup of this team.
That being said, its great to see Leinart play so well. Regardless of how well Kurt plays, he’s still old and injury prone, and having Matt as a backup is huge. I really think he needs this experience because in my mind (unlike Hardhat’s) Leinart is still the QB of the future.
No intention of throwing KW under the bus...
…as a gimpy immobile Warner is definitely better than most starting QBs in the league this season. My “voice” would rather have Leinart starting in Denver and giving Warner the week off — he has nothing to prove and everything to lose if a blindside hit comes. Building Matt’s confidence (and ours in him) is what this last game can provide…and a chance for Tyler Palko to play a half.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
I agree
As long as that is clearly communicated to the masses. I’m tired of controversy generated from nothing, and I wouldn’t want another good performance by Leinart to turn into a “QB controversy” story in the national media.
Even so, I would like to see Leinart play a lot in game 4, and I would be willing to bet we’ll see him quite a bit, even if Warner starts and plays a series or two.
Agreed
While I know Week 3 is when Starters play a half, I would have preferred Warner to rest Week 3 and 4 so that his hip is as close to 100% as possible on Sep 13th. He has nothing to prove, so why he was in for a half I don’t know. I liked what we saw from Leinart, except for those three in a row underthrown passes that bounced, but after throwing for 300 yards in a half, I’ll give him those as just being tired, lol.
Warner is the man until injury or retirement, and they should rest him until the season starts to ensure injury doesn’t take him out prematurely.
Section 102, Row 18
I still support Warner
I think that when the regular season starts he will be back to normal, but if Warner gets hurt and Leinart has to take over I think he will be ready.
Idiot
Sorry for the name calling but no one has called for warner to get benched. He meerly plaid poorly and matt played well. We all realize warner is the better qb right now and we also realize he will be done in 1-2 years and leinart will be more than ready to step in and succeed. I am off my soap box
Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with.
by sc464 on Aug 29, 2009 9:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree! Matt is still the QB of the future
and the future will begin in 2 weeks
Went to the game
and even the cheerleaders looked like they were in preseason form—no continuity or coordination. They were hot though, but not like the suns dancers. Anyway, where was I before I got off track. I thought the first team D was horrific. I think losing Antonio Smith is going to hurt worse than we thought. No pressure on Rogers whatsoever. Even after knocking Jennings out of the game, Rogers just picked us apart. The offense looked out of sync except for Fitz. Drives were stalled from turnovers by WR’s and one Warner fumble, which could’ve made the game more interesting in the first half had those drives sustained points. Overall, I thought the Packers offense impressed me the most, specifically Rogers. Maybe there is hope for Leinert.
Badgers! Badgers! We don't need no stinkin badgers!
Preseason for the refs, blah blah
Dear God, so many missed calls on the Pack. False starts, pass interference, Harris going all macho-man on Fitz out-of-bounds, etc.
Morey’s hands quieted the voice in the back of my head rooting for Long/Doucet/Jones to bump up. Sure he’s not that quick, but he really held on to some tough ones out there. Comparatively, Doucet looks like a rookie and Long is not only on the bubble of the team but the bubble of being effective at his job. I would say that Jones may just as well sweep out the fluff, but that route miscommunication at the end wasn’t exactly pretty. Despite this, he’s been more consistent than either Doucet or Long, in what limited time I’m seeing him out there. Urban basically looks like the same old Urban. Just not the go-getter you want to be starting, but still versatile and mostly effective.
Moving on, LBs Walker and Davis both had fantastic games. It looks like the 2nd & 3rd teams are tightening up while the first team is falling apart. Quite honestly though, Green Bay opted to choose this one as their blitz-every-down preseason game, and actually seemed to have prepared for the week, which in my mind just about makes up for the horrible deficit going into the half. Overall their squad is of a better caliber (or at least more cohesive at this point) than San Diego’s, and were able to fend off our meager “everyone go do your thing” approach. The good of the first half has been mentioned (run-game), and I choose to take that as the best possible omen looking forward.
It was great to see Leinart playing well. I am glad J. Wright got some more opportunities and showed up for all of them. Every time he comes into the game, however, it’s a safe bet that we’re going to pass, which could lead to some problems down the line… Fowler was shoveling off some low-snaps which probably played a part in Leinart’s one bobble, but his run-blocking was effective. Elton Brown (Cheese) had a nice highlight, too, along with both Castille and Maui’a. Maui’a seems to cut block a lot of the time, which probably undermines the potential of his imposing build some. Really, between him and Kreider, I’m not sure how much more devastating we can get at the FB position (not to discredit Castille at all, who again, has looked great blocking all preseason. Now if only we could get him to turn his head).
Right on about the TEs — the consistent one (Spach) blew it entirely, the underachiever (Pope) had a nice grab, and the comeback-underachiever (Byrd) had one of the most impressive catch-and-runs of the game. I only remember seeing Becht smiling on the sideline.
Speaking of sideline, I swear Palko was in 100% of the shots over there. Every time anyone would make some kind of play and get the camera on their backside, Palko showed up to talk to them. What does it mean? Probably nothing. Hoping for an entire half from the guy in week 4.
Finally, despite my waning confidence in all of our starters, I would rather be 0-4 in the preseason than 4-0. We’ve all been finding plenty of things to be positive about, and the lack of scheming makes us that much harder to prepare for going into the season. From my limited perspective, the teams that really fare well in the preseason give too much away, or something. Take the Lions last year for example. Enough said there. Aaron Rodgers has looked amazing yes, and is slated to be a Top 5 QB for the season, yes, but again — vanilla defenses. We’ll be okay.
crosses fingers
A FEW OBSERVATIONS...
DRC was overhyped in the off-season. He continues to be a work-in-process – a very talented youngster who will progress and regress until he finally matures into a consistent top NFL corner. (The irony is that everyone was wondering out loud whether Toler could be the “next DRC”). After the GB game, people are observing how much DRC looked like the raw rookie (Toler).
A key characteristic of this team a year ago was its inconsistency. Apparently nothing has changed. Which means: Either this year’s flavor will clean up its act , consistently play at a higher level and reach (& win) the Super Bowl. Or it won’t. But it won’t be because of lack of physical talent – it will everything to do with what’s between their ears and shoulder blades.
Kurt Warner is the embodinment of Cardinal inconsistency. He sometimes regresses – holding onto the ball too long, trying to make orange juice out of lemons, messing up center exchanges or failing to see a pending blitz at presnap. He knows this and usually he fixes it so I’m not terribly worried (just concerned).
If Beanie can stay healthy, we’ve got something.
I agree with the comment about the reffing (GB blockers were tackling Cardinal pass rushers throughout the 1H). But 15 penalties are a tad too many to explain away by saying they were all due to “bad officiating.”
Question of the Day: Will the Cardinals immediately “snap out of it?” Or will they fail to wake up?
GBR
by jeffgollin@aol.com on Aug 30, 2009 9:23 AM MDT reply actions
+1
I think this game will be enough to wake them up. The Media will be saying that the Cardinals were a fluke even more now, and that just makes them play harder because they thrive on disrespect. Its a good thing this happened because it will snap them out of the complacency from last years run.
Fixing the Defense and Adding Personnel
I posted these thoughts yesterday and put them at the end of last week’s post: Game and 53 Man Roster Thoughts..if any of you are interested in checking them out. Thanks.
NFC Champs
Lots of bad calls, but the helmet to helmet with LSH was horrendous, what was that ref watching?
Section 102, Row 18
The problem with this rule...
…is defenders are committing themselves to the tackle and initially are aiming for the chest/shoulder. Then the ball carrier instinctively “scrunches” to take the blow, and now their helmet is at the same level of the tackler. I’ve seen this situation more often than not when the “headhunter” flag is thrown but in some cases it hasn’t drawn a flag this last week. I suspect the referees are trying to figure out enforcement just as much as the players are.
And in LSH’s case, having such a small stature in the first place puts the defender at a disadvantage immediately as any traditional tackle motion is likely going to hit him in the head.
I understand and appreciate the rule is for the protection of the players but if this gets too carried away the game may as well become flag football. Belligerent head tackles, flag it. Inadvertent head contact due to short or ducking players should not.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
In case you had forgotten what is was like to be a Cardinal's fan
The first half should have brought back some memories. All be it, one better forgotten.
1. DRC, The only thing more upsetting than your play, was you laughing through your stupid “grill” at me and all the other fans counting on to live up to your ego.
2. Brown “Tiny” – Your not a starting back in the NFL. McFadden get better soon.
3. The D – Line either gave a half hearted attempt, or the GB line is that stout.
4. Receivers – Doucet had flashes of impending stardom between flashes of college football level play. Your in the big leagues now, step it up.
5. Urban – Just enough man, just enough, if not for your blocking I would have called your performance a failure – next time it hits your numbers I won’t be so forgiving.
CONGRATULATIONS – We found a run game, one that was so impressive it eclipsed our high flying attack and was the only redeeming quality of the entire first half of the game. Now just do that, through out the rest of the season and post season.
Hightower looks better than he did last year with some serious positive results. Beanie, You are who we thought you were! You are who we thought you were! SO FAR…Great field vision. He looked as if he could run with his eyes closed and feel were the holes would develope.
O-line – Looked better creating running lanes than it did in pass protection? Did I just say that. Penalties again, come on.
Warner – seems to get thrown out of wack when a couple of good throws get dropped, as if to suffer from apathy.
Leinart is looking like an NFL quarter back. Thank god!
I think they should do to Warner what they did to Leinart last season. He played one bad game against the Raiders and got the hook and they gave the job to Warner. Leinart would have done just the same as Warner last year if not better, Warner is old and slow and is lucky that he was throwing to the best receiving core in the NFL and his line was protecting him well. No one knew that Fitzgerald, Breaston, and Boldin would step up how they did last year. They would have done the same with Leinart. Warner doesn’t have the ability to make plays like Leinart does. Matt is bigger, stronger, younger, and plays the game just like Warner makes quick decisions, knows where to go with the ball, and has a great pocket presence, but where Leinart is the starter for me is how he can avoid sacks not like Michael Vick, but he can buy enough time to throw the ball away or find an open receiver. Not like Warner where he gets sacked by a one arm tackle or fumbles! Qb’s like that don’t deserve to start – he’s really the only thing holding the cardinals back from being complete. Like the last play of the game in the super bowl where a 100% Leinart would of atleast been able to throw a hail mary for Fitzgerald so he would of had a chance to make a play on the ball, but instead guess what HAPPENS??? SACK!!!! Because Warner is old! Leinart is ready! The cardinal staff needs to sack up and make the right the decision – who is your future? Leinart or Warner?
This on the other end of the spectrum.
The anti-Hardhat.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
I disagree
Even though Warner is getting old, he is still a great QB and he should keep going until he blows a couple of games badly enough to get benched, gets hurt, or until he retires. But I have faith in him to preform well and help make sure Leinart is ready for when he gets to take over.
Why?
My only question is why would you want to be limited? Once a d-lineman gets in it’s over! With Warner it’s a sack. Why would you want that when you could have a QB that is younger, does all the same things and can buy time and elude defenders. Which is better for the TEAM, obviously this coaching staff doesn’t care to pull someone – this isn’t about loyalty. They didn’t win the super bowl last year so their is no reason why he has to be the starter this year. Basically any descent QB can be a great QB in the Cardinals offense, but Leinart is a smart QB just like Warner they have all the same great qualities, but right now in their careers – Leinart is clearly the better fit for this young, improved, motivated, team. I’m just looking at the big picture in what is better for the team to get to that next level. Why wait? Just because they gave him a new deal? That’s bull! He’ll be a great back up. And that’s helping the team. I know it might sound outrageous to some people because of how great a season Warner had last year. But I guarantee that if Leinart was in it would have been the same result. Take a look at the New England Patriots, they have a great line that could protect Brady, and then a no name like Cassell gets in and wins 10 games. It’s all about the players around them. Warner like Leinart will find the open player on a 10 yard pass and these great receivers will turn it into a 25 yard gain. So it’s not all about Warner! If you know football you know that!
Disagree...No, more like...your smoking CRACK
Neither Warner or Leinart are evasive quarterbacks. The difference to me is that Warner has the experience to show poise in the pocket, step up and make the play (Sometimes it bites him but more often or not he makes the play). Warner also reads defense better and will make the appropriate adjustments to the offense. Arm strength is hard to gage from a fan perspective (all though I beleive Warner to be the stronger passer) but when it comes to accuracy there is no competition. In fact I would use that same statement against any QB in the league outside of a handfull and then its still debatable.
“Leinart is clearly the better fit for this young, improved, motivated, team.” YOU ARE TRIPPIN! There is no better QB to have throwing to Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston than Warner. Ok maybe Brady, Brees, The Good Manning Brother and thats about it.
As far as Leinart having the same results last year, I will attribute that remark to your crack habit.
Don’t get me wrong. I am not a Leinart hater and I believe that his time will come. He will be a reliable NFL QB…in a couple years. Will he be Warneresque? NO! He will need a balanced offense with a decent O-line and strong running game. Think Eli Manning. That is were I see Leinart in a couple years. I also believe that the coaching staff are moving towards building an offense that will help put Leinart in a position to win.






















