Arizona Cardinals Fight For 53: Examining the Bubble Players by Position
It's simply the nature of the NFL that 22 players who currently call themselves Arizona Cardinals, will be unemployed by the end of this coming weekend. The bad news will be given to hundreds of players across the NFL within the next week and many will be left hoping for a place on some team's practice squad or maybe the newly formed UFL. Before anyone has to worry about their new football home though, the bubble players will have one last shot to impress the coaching staff this Thursday when the Cardinals travel to Denver to take on the Broncos. Here's a quick list at the battles at various positions.
Kreider vs. Castille: With four running backs expected to make the final roster, thanks to LaRod Stephens-Howling's impressive play over the past month, the Cardinals are expected to carry just one fullback. That leaves three guys, Dan Kreider, Tim Castille and Reagan Maui'a, fighting for one spot, although truth be told it's really just a battle between Krieder and Castille. No one has really established themselves and each guy brings something different to the table. Krieder is hands down the better blocker and he's a "Whiz-guy" but Castille's versatility out of the backfield and prowess on special teams gives him a shot.
Long versus the Unknown: The only real question for the Cardinals to answer at wide receiver is how many they want to carry. Assuming that Early Doucet's recent rib injury won't effect his roster status, the teams top six wide outs are virtually set in stone (Fitz, Q, Breaston, Urban, Doucet and Morey). That leaves fan favorite Lance Long fighting for a spot that simply might not be there, but the team has carried seven wide receivers before. The injury risk of a couple of those guys and Long's ability to contribute on special teams leaves the door open. At this point Orea Jones, who's been impressive during the preseason, is simply showcasing himself to other teams or hoping for a practice squad job.
Brown vs. Ross: The offensive line is sort of the in the same predicament as the wide receiver spot considering that they've got quite a few semi-capable bodies but not enough roster spots for everyone. What we know is that Gandy, Wells, Sendlein, Lutui, Levi Brown, Keith and Johnson are all locks make the final 53. If you're counting that's seven bodies and most squads carry eight or nine (although the Cards have kept ten before). That leaves two or maybe three spots up for grabs. One of the spots will undoubtedly be filled by a center and that battle seems to have boiled down to Ben Claxton versus Melvin Fowler. Fowler has a huge edge in experience and would seem to be the front runner but don't count out Claxton's familiarity with the offense. Assuming that the backup center spot is filled by one of these two (but not both), that leaves eight guys with Elton Brown, Trevor Canfield, Carlton Medder and Oliver Ross on the outside looking with one or two spots to fill. Of these remaining four, I'd have to say the top two are Brown and Ross and they'd be battling for the final spot or could be the final two in, if the team decides to keep 10 offensive lineman.
Unknown at Tight End: As we stated yesterday the only thing we really know about the tight end spot is that we really don't know anything. The best bet right now is that Ben Patrick is essentially assured of the roster spot to start the season but that's only because he won't count against the 53 until his four game suspension is over. With that in mind, we'll set him aside and just look at the remainder. The Cardinals in the past have carried as few as two tight ends and as many as four so it's possible that Stephen Spach, Leonard Pope, Anthony Becht and Dominique Byrd could all make the opening day roster, but that's probably a stretch considering how little the tight end is used in the passing game. Our best bet is that three with make the opening day 53 (not counting Patrick remember) with either Pope or Byrd getting cut.
Branch vs. Dykes: This much we know on the defensive line, Darnell Dockett, Calais Campbell, Bryan Robinson, Kenny Iwebema and Gabe Watson are all locks, even though Watson looked terrible against the Packers. It's tough to look at the Caridnals historically to see how many defensive lineman they kept because the 3-4 defense requires less lineman and more linebackers, but we can be sure that Keilen Dykes, Alan Branch, Alex Field, Rodney Leisle are all at the very least on the bubble. I don't think there would be any debate to say that Dykes and Branch are the best of those four but it could come down to whether the Cardinals want to keep six or seven defensive lineman. If they chose to go with six DL, I think Branch would be the choice considering that Dykes has had serious problems stay healthy over the past two training camps. His inability to stay on the field probably means that the Cards could stash him on the practice squad for an eventful call up when someone gets hurt.
Linebackers Help: Outside of the starters at linebacker, Dansby, Hayes, Haggans and Okeafor, I'm not sure that anyone is assured of a roster spot. Bertrand Berry would seem like a lock but he's done a complete disappearing act so far during the preseason. Victor Hobson, Will Davis and perhaps even Reggie Walker would seem like the next closest thing to locks. Hobson has experience in a 3-4 and can play inside and out while Davis and Walker have been impressive over the past couple of games. There's also Ali Highsmith who's failed to produce the same kind of buzz that he did last year. Chase Bullock and David Holloway round out the rest of the roster but neither of them have done much to warrant a roster spot. If the Cards had to decide today, I'm thinking that they'd keep the starters plus Berry, Hobson, Davis and Walker although this could be one position that gets an upgrade once other teams make their cuts.
Ware vs. Adams: There will be some tough decisions made in the secondary where it would seem that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Bryant McFadden, Adrian Wilson, Antrel Rolle, Rashad Johnson and Ralph Brown are all locks to make the squad. Brown has struggled in the preseason but so has the depth behind him so it's highly doubtful that his spot is in jeopardy. With six locks that leaves Aaron Francisco, Greg Toler, Matt Ware, Michael Adams, Jameel Dowling and Wilrey Fontenot fighting for what will probably end up being eight or nine spots. Francisco and Toler are certainly the front-runners of the bubble group so the real battle comes down to Ware versus Adams. It's possible that the team could keep all ten members of the secondary, they've done it before, but nine is a more manageable number. Ware has much more experience with the regular defense and is probably the more talented player but Adams' standout performances on special teams give him a shot.
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Thoughts? Who wins these battles and who makes your final 53?
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really good article
i think castille – he’s a lot more rounded than people give him credit for
we keep long
fowler and elton brown
we keep just patrick, byrd and spach
branch
berry, hobson, davis, walker/highsmith
adams francisco and toler
I hope they upgrade at OLB after other teams make some cuts
This seems to be a big hole in the defense based on my observations through the preseason.
doing some math (I assume 3 QB's and 4 RB's)
Here are the other guys who finish out my 53……
FB: Kreider (Castille’s got some tools but I want a sledge hammer at FB)
OL: Ross (he’s the only backup LT)
TE: Spach, Becht and Byrd (one of them goes when Patrick comes back)
DL: Branch (carry just six with Dykes on the PS)
LB: Berry, Hobson, Davis, Walker and Highsmith (b/c of the injury risk, I’m keeping nine)
DB: Ware
Oh yea and the 3 specialists. I’d scour the waiver wire like crazy for some kind of LB help and I’d pick up another promising youngster for the practice squad.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Nice picks
I’m a big fan of the versatility that Byrd has shown and I like Kreider as the sledge.
I don’t know if Branch will ever be worthy of his draft status while on this team. I think it will take getting cut for him to wake up and be good somewhere else!
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I think Castille has looked better at blocking so he has a better chance than I thought.
I like Dykes but his injuries make me think he is practice squad material right now. Maybe a mid year change.
Ware over Adams if they keep 9 DB Adams hopefully will make it to practice squad.
I don’t think Morey is a lock but Long has failed to shine.
I take Byrd over Pope because he is more athletic and brings more versatility
My Guess is they keep Fowler over Claxton. Fowler played well against the Packers and Claxton can move to PS. But it is a close battle.
Ross over Brown because he is better Tackle than Elton in my opinion.
I think Walker has played well but a Healthy Highsmith or Togafau would probably win the job. I think I would only keep 8 and open up a spot elsewhere. Hobson brings that luxury because he can bring depth at both positions. Okeafor, Haggans, Hayes, Dansby, Hobson, Berry, Davis, and Walker. (Highsmith might be a safer bet and move Walker to PS. But Highsmith’s injuries makes me nervous.) A healthy Togafau could be brought back later in the season.
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When did he outshine anybody else though?
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How about playing nearly the entire Packers game and having 1 catch?
Dropping a touchdown pass?
Muffing a punt?
Morey, by the way, the special-teams ace who can’t play receiver, the spot most everyone seems to want him to take, had 5 catches for 71 yards. Doucet, despite wandering ever-closer to being injury- and drop-prone, had 5 for 93 and a TD. Onrea Jones moved above Long last week, in my opinion.
Frankly, Long’s got a ways to go before he makes this team. He’s quick, tough, and alert, but our QB’s have a lot of big targets that they seem to notice first, and for good reason — they’ve shown they can be productive.
by tw3kr on Sep 1, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly can we just cut Branch already
His fat butt has never even shown flashes of being good. He really really sucks.
my take on Branch and the nose tackle spot
First, I’m not a big fan of Branch and I’m just as tired of seeing him underachieve as anyone else, but the problem with cutting him is that the DL depth is already questionable. Cutting him leaves just Bryan Robinson and Gabe Watson at tackle. Robinson has played well considering that he’s not a true nose but he’ll get worn down if asked to play full time at such a demanding position and Watson has looked just as bad as Branch the past couple of games. He got absolutely driven backwards and pancaked on the Packers first TD. He literally crossed the goal line before the Packers tailback did.
Branch isn’t the best backup in the world but they’re working him at DE and NT so his versatility and potential will still keep him on this team. If we had better depth, I’d be fine with letting him go but for now, we still need him.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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I have never seen Castille do much of anything so I don’t think he is going to make it. Kreider I think does enough of what Whiz wants so I think he sticks.
Long – I dunno he seems like a great guy and an easy guy to root for but I don’t think he will make it ahead of Doucet and Morey is safe due to what he has proven he can do in the past.
TE – is a crapshoot really, no-one has stood out and made the position theirs which is a pity. So whichever combination makes it wont surprise me but I think Whiz really wants to get a balanced offence this year so blocking will be top of his list.
The other positions I haven’t seen enough of but I have to agree with Fireking – can’t we just cut Branch he hasn’t shown that he can play in the NFL let alone dominate like he should be able to. Probably not going to happen though.
Anybody see Castille make the list of C'mon man during MNF countdown
It was the play where the ball bounced off his helmet, which was embarrassing.
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That was a bit sad.
And “c’mon man” is just about the same thought I had when I watched it in-game, but still — he’s caught everything he’s seen coming to him, so that’s something, right? Kreider dropped a pretty easy one week 2, but then again, if he makes it it won’t be because he can catch. Castille still had 1 for 13 and honestly, as the hot read, he should have been ready for the throw, but it could have been a miscommunication, too.
Y’all just have to keep an eye out for Castille. He had a key block highlighted on Wells’ first TD. He really sealed the end up well on a toss out to the left in week 2 — great block, but I haven’t gotten to rewatch the game and figure out who he took out. FB’s don’t get a ton of exposure but he has looked pretty good from what I’ve noticed.
53 man breakdown
L is a Lock.
QB 3: Warner (L), Matt (L), SB (L)
HB 4: beanie (L), hightower (L), LSH (L), former cle guy whos name i can’t remember maybe its wright (L)
FB 1: don’t know but i know it will be 1 for sure
WR 6: Fitz (L), Q (L), Breston (L), Urban (L), Morey (L), Doucet. we don’t need 7 WR’s with our top 3.
TE 3: not counting patrick. Spach (L), Becht, Byrd
OL 9: Gandy (L), Wells (L), sendlein (L), Lutui (L), Levi (L), Keith (L), Johnson (L), Fowler, and Brown (Ross reminds me of Davis) could add him though to make 10
DL 6: Dockett (L), Calais (L), Bryan (L), Iweberna (L), Watson (L), Branch (dyrkes is in the bullpen ready to come in for Branch)
LB 9: Dansby (L), Hayes (L), Haggans (L), Okeafor (L), Berry (L), Davis (L), Hobson, Walker need a lot of LB’s in a 3-4
DB 9: DRC (L), McFadden (L), Wilson (L), Rolle (L), Johnson (L), Brown (L), Francisco, Toler, Adams (in this spot you could maybe take only 8 being that rolle can play nickle corner allowing an extra lineman or TE but i want 6CB’s being that we don’t use TE’s much and are lineman are good)
ST 3: Rackers (L), Punter Gram (L), long snapper (L) (sorry forgot name)
so thats 53 with 39 “player” locks
on my excel sheet i got at least 46 “positions” locked meaning that there has to be at least this amount at each position. i also list the bouble or remaining that could get into that position.
My 53-man -——— Locks -—— Bouble
QB 3———————-3—————- 0
RB 4———————-4—————- 0
FB 1———————-1—————- 1
TE 3———————-3—————- 1 not counting ben patrick who is suspendend
WR 6———————-6—————- 1
OL 9———————-8—————- 2
DL 6———————-6—————- 1
LB 9———————-7—————- 4
DB 9———————-6—————- 6
ST 3———————-3 -————— 0
Total 53—————46—————— 22
so the way i see it you have 7 extra position spots to make 53. so u must ask should we keep 4 TE’s or 7WR’s or 10OL’s or whatever?
just thought i could give people a perspective on how the roster could break down.
Several battles may not be within positions but between guys playing different positions. For example:
Don’t be surprised if the Cards keep 4 TE’s (with Byrd being used more like an H-Back). If this happens, we can afford to keep only one FB and I’m guessing it will be our best lead-blocker (that be Kreider).
Depending on whether we keep one more or one less offensive lineman or defensive lineman, there could be a roster battle between Dykes and Herman Johnson.
I think we’re in real quandary at DB, where Francisco and Brown have the necessary experience and savvy among a young crew – but often are a step late. Do we keep Brown or sawed-off Michael Adams? Do we keep Francisco or rely on the newbie (Rashad Johnson)? Perhaps our most important backup cog is Ware (who can play S or “big CB” and has done well in preseason).
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by jeffgollin@aol.com on Sep 2, 2009 9:37 AM MDT reply actions
you really think they'd try to slip Herman Johnson through to the practice squad?
I think some other team would scoop him up in a heartbeat and we’d be left with some very scarce depth on the OL.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
House > Dykes
The offensive battle also encompasses LSH. Everyone’s been saying they’ll take him and only 1 FB, but I could just as easily see them cutting down at TE, as you mentioned, to make room. We have a lot of versatility across those positions, and very little that actually stands out.
I think Francisco being a step behind at his job is slightly less critical than Brown being a step behind at CB. Adams seems poised to take the spot, but could just as easily fall to the PS. Ware is constantly credited for being able to play CB, but does anyone really trust him there? Jameel Dowling brings the same quality, in a younger package — does he earn the nod just because? I think he’s one that they’ll bring back to the PS, mostly on account of him making it this far, but we’ll see. I think it’s just about impossible not to keep Francisco.
The Broncos game should give us a pretty good final look at the DB depth. They haven’t exactly been lighting it up in the off-season. If I were Whiz, I would basically declare that anyone who gives up a 20+ yard catch is automatically cut. End of story =)
nice write up
the only things I am sure about are that Wilrey Fontenot has no chance, Branch should get cut, and there is no way we SHOULD cut Reggie Walker. If it were me I would consider keeping Byrd instead of a FB, but thats prob a bit too radical?
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