Arizona Cardinals vs. Indianapolis Colts: Ask the Expert
by Hawkwind on Sep 25, 2009 7:00 AM MDT
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The Arizona Cardinals look to make a statement in a nationally televised game against the Indianapolis Colts Sunday night but first we check in with SB Nation's Colts' expert Big Blue Shoe of Stampede Blue.
ROTB - The Colts, much like the Cardinals, had some upheaval in the coaching staff this off season and any time there are changes at the top of a staff there will be questions heading into the season. Obviously sitting at 2-0 after two weeks is evidence that things aren't too bad but how do you feel about the first couple weeks of the Jim Caldwell era? Are there any major schematic changes, offensively or defensively, from year's past?
Stampede Blue - My initial impressions of Caldwell were that of a smart, detail-oriented guy who was due to be a head coach. So far, he is proving he can more than do the job. Players listen to hm and play hard for him. That's really all one can ask.
Defensively, the Colts are blitzing more, which the players are enjoying. But, as you likely saw Monday night, stopping the run is still a big concern.
ROTB - Peyton Manning has clearly the face, heart and leader of this franchise for the past decade and figures to be on top for the foreseeable future. While he's destined to go down as one of the most prolific passers of all time, there remains a theory out there that if he does have a weakness it's that he can struggle against 3-4 defenses. After watching him for the past 12 seasons, is that theory that you buy into and if not, does Peyton have an exploitable weakness?
SB - It's total horsesh*t (pardon my poopy mouth). People who still harp on "Peyton struggles against a 3-4" are idiots who know nothing about football. Even in playoffs loses the last two years against the 3-4 schemed San Diego Chargers, Peyton has lit them up. Ask the 2006 New England Patriots if Peyton "struggles" against a 3-4. Hell, ask the Steelers last year! Peyton went into Heinz Field and dominated the eventual World Champs.
Peyton's weakness is the weakness of all QBs: Pressure. If you get consistent pressure at him, it will throw off his timing and it will hinder his ability to score TDs. No QB can play well while being pressured consistently. Example: Tom Brady last week.
ROTB - The injury to Anthony Gonzalez has thrown a monkey wrench into the Colts plans at wide receiver but it didn't seem to effect Peyton too much against the Dolphins. Outside of Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark, who is the Colts #3 option and what are his strengths?
SB -They very much like Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie. Garcon's 48 yard TD won the game against the Dolphins, and if you watch the play, Garcon's strength is his speed. Collie is a Wes Welker-type guy. Plays a lot of slot receiver. He runs good routes, catches the ball well. Real solid rookie WR.
ROTB - The Colts passing defense has been downright nasty through two games so far, allowing just 139 yards per game (#1 in the NFL), and they've yet to allow a passing touchdown. How much of that success is due to the fact that their opposition has been content rushing the ball versus the actual talent of the secondary?
SB - Talent. Some Colts fans would disagree, but if it were a lack of talent, Chad Pennington and David Garrard would not have sucked as much as they did in week's one and two. The Colts have the best starting secondary in football, and rookie CB Jerraud Powers is a beast! Reserve safety Melvin Bullitt is also very good. He's filling in for Bob Sanders while he is recovering from off-season knee surgery.
Indy's secondary has several very sure tacklers who play coverage well and do not allow big plays.
ROTB - I can't help but ask something regarding Dwight Freeney and his beautiful spin move. He's been somewhat out of the limelight after a couple of down years in 2006 and 2007, but with double digit sacks last year and two so far this year, he looks like he's returned to his former, dominant self. What's the difference with him right now and do they move him around in the defense or does he strictly stay on his side at defensive end?
SB - They are moving him around more this year, and are sometimes using him as a stand-up pass rusher. But, in general, they line Freeney up 90% of the time at right DE. Freeney's only real "down" year was the year he broke his foot (2007). I'm obviously very biased, but for me, Freeney is the most dominant pass rusher (and the most feared) in football. Left tackles are flat out scared to play him.
ROTB - Finally, we all know the names Peyton, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Freeney but who are some of the up and coming players that we may not know that the Cardinals should be worried about, both offensively and defensively?
SB - Well, Robert Mathis is a Pro Bowler at left DE, and the rookie RB Donald Brown is starting to show why he was taken in the first round. He is an explosive runner. I mentioned Powers earlier, but equaly good is DT Ed Johnson. Big ed is gettign his feet wet again after missing all of last season and getting suspended for one game this season.
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ed johnson
Yeah, based on what I saw on Monday night, I can see how good he is.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 8:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One game
So, you base your entire evaluation of a player on… one game?
So, if I followed your example with Kurt Warner, using only the last Super Bowl as my period of evaluation, I guess I could call him a big game choker who throws horrible INTs at crucial moments of a game to kill his team’s chances of winning.
Right?
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 25, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fat, out of shape, drug issues, and no other team was knocking down his door to get him. Have fun with him.
Of all the guys you could have picked, you picked a crappy one. Seriously, you couldn’t have picked someone like Brackett or Saturday? It’s ok to admit that not every player on your team is awesome.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It helps to know what you're talking about
One: At 296 pounds, Ed Johnson is by no means “out of shape.” If 296 is out of shape for a DT, then someone get Card’s DT Gabe Watson on Jenny Craig ASAP!
Two: “Drug issues.” The guy gets caught with weed and he has “drug issues?” Seriously man, that’s silly.
Three: No team knocked on his door because they knew he’d be suspended for a period of time because of his run-in with the law. Teams typically don’t want to deal with that in the middle of their seasons. Ed Johnson, prior to 2007, had an outstanding rookie year playing NT in the Tampa-2. He’s a good young player, and you simply have no idea what you are writing about.
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 25, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can be 150 lbs. and out of shape, there is a difference.
Drug issues: Yes, he was undrafted due to off the field issues at Penn State. As a result, he already had a no tolerance policy against him so as a result of his drug possession, he was suspended for a year. Doesn’t sound like someone you can rely on. But he did beat out Fili Moala, so wow, he’s really good.
He had 41 tackles and 1 sack in 2007. I don’t believe that counts as an “outstanding” year. But you might have lower expectations. I’m sure you’ll say that I don’t know how the Cover 2 works, but I do.
It’s ok for people to disagree with you, that doesn’t make them retarded or some kind of idiot that knows nothing about football.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was the NT
you don’t put up individual numbers there. If you want an indication of his value look at the run D in 2006 and 2008 vs 2007.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m aware of how football works. He’s not an impact guy.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. look at the run D numbers
2. You are the only one that called him an impact guy. BBS said he’s a good player getting back into the swing of things after nearly a year out of football.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to add that all of you have wonderful people skills
And are all great in your own way. Yeah, gold stars for everyone!
by badmatty53 on Sep 25, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
you think BBS should have mentioned the 34 year old, 3 time pro bowler, 2 time all pro, as an up and coming player?
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
point-being
anybody would have been a better choice.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure you wouldn't have complained about a 34 year old being mentioned as an up and coming player
nope not one bit.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Ed Johnson sucks, he’s a backup at best for anyother team. By the way Stampede Blue wrote several blogs last year on how Kurt Warner shouldn’t of been considered for MVP, during that time Big Blue Stain or whatever put blogs on his page slandering your quarterback, none of it factual by the way.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read the all of the interview. These guys are just Colts Homers
Are you guys in denial? Big Blue Shoe, Shake, Stampede Blue? Chargers beat them twice using the same formula, the first time they had their backups in, and you guys can’t see it? The Steelers used the same formula in 2005. There’s blueprints bigger then anyone elses in the NFL.
You need to start accurately reporting what is actually going on. I love Manning, great quarterback, but the other players on that team with the exception of Wayne , Saturday and Clark are extremely overrated, especially on the defense, thats why they lose. It’s not so much 3-4 defenses, but every year in the playoffs besides 2006, they play a team like the Chargers who are well balanced, they can run, pass, and play defense. Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, teams who do well on both sides of the ball beat them 9 out of 10 times. You are better off playing ALL rookies back there on defense,and saving your money for offensive players for Manning, Polian needs to pick one. The defense is and has been horrible, Freeney, Mathis, Sanders may be good, but it doesn’t matter when the result is still terrible.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit touchy aren't we??
First the sh**heads comment regarding Manning’s record versus 3-4 defenses and now blowing up over Ed Johnson??
Hawk, Andrew and Co…I hope you represent our community in a better light when you guys are asked to participate on other teams’ sights!!
"There are preachermen on TV in a suit and a tie, they tell you to send your money to the Lord, but they give you their address" Hank Williams Jr.
by StuckinColorado on Sep 25, 2009 9:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They do rep their community well
Some readers are a bit “scrappier” than others. It’s OK.
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 25, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Blue Shoe, and Shake N Bake have no real analysis, their jokes
These guys embarrass themselves. Their hard on their own media outlet when they come down on the Colts, these guys offer no real information, just opinion, book stats, and info on stolen from other sites.The person who brings up an agrument against the Colts gets cussed out, they think thier team is the best team that has walked the earth, every year when they lose, they never seem to grasp that its the same formula every year that beats them, and when you talk about it, they want to kill you ,like their in denial of an addiction. Its a joke, its like a bunch of kids talking about Santa Claus being real, when you prove that he doesn’t exist, they still wait by the tree for those gifts, because by some fluke accident they got ONE giftwrapped present in 2006. They kicked me off the site because I had a different opinion on the Colts and thier coaching philosophies at the time, sensored me then kicked me, they are against freedom of speech I guess. And my opinions were based on facts on thier horrible defense, running the same running plays, and yes I brought up the 3-4 as well, and I was cussed out. I seen this blog from Sports illustrated and I had to see the interview. No information, just calls people names who disagree.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
maybe you got banned because you’re the type of person who would make a second account and pretend to be a different person who thought the banning was unjust.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/12/1/676482/maybe-once-they-cut-harris#10387009
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to ROTB... I Guess.
While I don’t know if you were actually cussed out or not, inclined to not believe based on the comments of the editors of Stamped Blue, seems that Stampede Blue gave a valid enough answer for the 3-4 defense “problems”.
by Pyromnc on Sep 25, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man
I happen to think its not the 3-4 either, its a bad wrap that Peyton gets. I think when you get beat by the same formula time after time, you have to look at the coaches. The Colts philosophy has always been execution, they never change what they do as far as schemes go or anything. So, its obvious to beat them you just need the players who are smart on defense.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay16
Based on what I saw monday The Colts run d is suspect. But we will have to wait and see.
by badmatty53 on Sep 25, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I'm not going to sugar coat it
That was the worst defense I have ever saw last week. Big Blue in the interview stated the Colts have the best secondary in the NFL. That’s not true. The reason why their passing yardage against is so low is because teams CHOOSE to run on them, and don’t bother to pass. Thier passing defense is better then thier run defense but that secondary as far as talent goes is average with Sanders in the lineup. I must have watched a different game, but the game I watched had Ted Ginn catch the ball 11 times over 100 yards, should have caught a touchdown, the interception at the end was Chad Penningtons worst throw. Alot of nerve saying its the best secondary in the NFL don’t you think?
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to bash your defense.
It was a poor showing and that’s about all I can say this far into the season. I will say it’s difficult to get any info about about areas in the Colts game that need improvement. And as far as Manning goes, he’s a great QB, maybe one of the greatest of all times. But these guys could get the same results much faster than blogging if they would just choose a meeting spot, form a circle around a picture of Manning and jerk off on each other.
by badmatty53 on Sep 25, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Opps...
Sorry CG, just reread and I might have taken that one to far. I appologize to any women, children, and decent god fearing folk who may have been reading this. To the other 99.9% of the reader, yeah…“it’s funny cause its true”.
by badmatty53 on Sep 25, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit, i was going to make a circle jerk joke but thought I’d get in trouble for it.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
. I was banned before that. And it was just how I said, no maybes about.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
umm, it's pretty obvious that you couldn't be banned for creating a second account to complain about your ban
that’s just a way for the mods here to find out how dishonest you are with 3 clicks of the mouse.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its still not obvious, how can you create a second account without getting banned?
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used the second account as an example of the kind of poster you are, even though it happened after you were banned
because it’s an easy thing for the mods here to verify and is something that is nearly universally looked down upon. They click your profile, click their special inspect user button and see that the other account was created from the exact same IP address as the Jay16 account. At that point they know that you are dishonest with an agenda of bashing BBS and myself.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Mods are able to see the IP address connections.
Hey, hey, hey hey hey, watch the language, ok? I have a family.
Revenge of the Birds
by Andrew602 on Sep 25, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dishonest about what? The Colts?
Its cool you guys kicked me off, but what it boils down is, you guys don’t like others with a different opinion. That’s the bottom line, that’s why I was booted off. Your lying right now. You guys are talking as if I got caught stealing, or cheating. I didn’t do anything wrong, but not agree and call you out on some of your assumptions. Thats what really happened. I heard since the banning your blog site sucks and its boring, just a bunch of people talking, agreeing and drinking koolaid. I heard from several members that your blogs are now dull and boring very unentertaining. You guys should focus your energy and get Bill Polian to trade Bob Sanders and the rest of that defense who stunk it up Monday night. I don’t think it gets worse then ranked bottom.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I’m not going to rehash it. But you guys have issues with people bringing up flaws with your team, you banned others as well
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
you aren’t going to re-hash it? Then what were you doing above? and right after you said you weren’t going to rehash it.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Douchebags, take your cat fight to your shitty blog and stop wasting our time...
POOF!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
by boogatt66 on Sep 25, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t have a conversation without getting ugly
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys are the biggest haters out there and its so OBVIOUS. Shake N HATE
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets Talk Football
Tell me how the Colts are going to beat the Cardinals? Put your homer to the test
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
by scoring more points
that’s generally how it’s done
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what you think, the Colts will score more points then?
Thats it? This is why your blog is boring
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
so why are you still around?
if the site and the writers suck and you aren’t allowed to post there.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha
ROTB readers, I should apologize that we’re hijacking this thread to respond to this guy… I’ve just missed him since he was banned
let’s get back to real analysis…
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Sep 25, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's okay
We’ve had our own from time to time. I’ll not give any names.
Hey, hey, hey hey hey, watch the language, ok? I have a family.
Revenge of the Birds
by Andrew602 on Sep 25, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
-cough- Hardhat-cough-
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
by Sir Whirly on Sep 26, 2009 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how'd you show up here then?
you weren’t joined here before today.
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got on sports illustrated, and I seen a mention about the game this week
From Cardinals blog here. And I couldn’t believe the interview.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys should really fix lashing out at people seriously
Tony Dungy is looking down at you.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
cuz you would never lash out at anyone. Especially not in you’re first posts on this thread
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Colts find their way this year
Seriously though Shake, it just looks bad when you guys go crazy and start swearing at people that have different opinions, I think if you guys offered a different opinion on your blog it would be more entertaining. The point is to get people involved and to grow in the community. Your community is very limited as far as an objection goes, it lacks heat, I never trashed the Colts, I only pointed out things that were never fixed and blamed thier coaching staff for not holding personnel accountable, and you guys slandered me for it. I wish you the best.
The Colts defense was destroyed last week, this week I see them tired, the Cardinals throw the ball well and will move the ball up and down the field, but I don’t see alot of points here like people think, I think they will check down and see if they can do the same thing the Dolphins did but with their short passing game. Ken Wisenhut, knows how to beat Manning. Colts will have to rely solely on their offense for the second week, even though they resembled the 2004 Colts, they haven’t played explosive football like that 2 games in a row in a long time. Cardinals 21- Colts 20
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with your assessment of the defense this week
I fear that the Colts defense is still going to be gassed from the 45-minute performance on Monday night, and we have a couple of key injuries to boot. I only hope the game stays as close as you predict.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Sep 25, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect your assessment as well
I can’t see that defense stopping anyone this year. I hope I’m wrong, but it means that Manning will have to throw on every down and that’s great to watch.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Peyton’s going to throw on every down, huh? That’s gotta’ be some kind of record or something. I can hardly see how watching our franchise QB rip every muscle and tendon in his arm could be “great to watch”.
Question: Why does your profile say you are a Colts fan when you obviously are nothing of the sort?
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 25, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!!
I’m sorry man, I guess you really took “having to throw every down” seriously. I have given Manning nothing but compliments on here, and because I don’t have a cliche profile name like yours representing my commitment to the team you have to question it, typical. Would it be better if I changed my name to “Peytons Bitch” would that be more obvious. I’ve noticed on Stampede Blue that the norm is you have to have a cliche profile name in order to be a die hard Colts fan, here are some of the names I’ve seen.
1. “Reggie Rape me”
2. “Peyton’s Place on my face”
3. “Dungy’s our God”
4. “Marvins Gun”
by jay16 on Sep 26, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what makes me question the truth of you being a Colts fan...
(Emphasis mine)
The person who brings up an agrument against the Colts gets cussed out, they think thier team is the best team that has walked the earth, every year when they lose, they never seem to grasp that its the same formula every year that beats them, and when you talk about it, they want to kill you ,like their in denial of an addiction….because by some fluke accident they got ONE giftwrapped present in 2006….You are better off playing ALL rookies back there on defense,and saving your money for offensive players for Manning, Polian needs to pick one….They think all their players are the BEST players, because Polian is the BEST GM…
Hmmm…maybe I’m just an idiot but most fans of teams don’t refer to said team and their fans using the words “they”, “them”, “theirs”, and “yours”, but, rather, as " “us”, “we”, and “ours”.
If you really are a Colts fan, then I apologize. I feel sorry for you that you have so much hate in your heart that you can’t even enjoy your own favorite football team, but, rather have to slander and denigrate them nearly all the time. You should be sharing in the joy of their victories and the pain of their defeats with your fellow fans not constantly making everybody, including yourself, miserable by being so negative and hateful.
"Flying blind on a rocket cycle?" -Vultan, from the movie "Flash Gordon", for no particular reason...
by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 26, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I said that on this thread. You didn't have to quote it.
Bro, the only thing I hate his is people sugar coating everything. If my words are offensive I’m sorry, its the truth. I don’t think your an idiot, but I think as a Colts fan you should already know these things that I’m saying. Your acting as if I’m saying something new, or you just heard these things now. No need fo an apology, I’m not offended, but I think the first thing to do when to solve a problem is to bring it up and talk about, not be scared to say it just because its your beloved team. If you were confused about what I said in that quote, let me break it down for you. I was referring to a site called Stampede Blue, a community of Colts bloggers who seem to be out of touch with everything that has to do with football outside of Indianapolis. I was trying to be sarcastic, but thats where it was directed. The “gift wrapped present” was another phrase that used to be funny because if you go back up, I mentioned (where you forgot to quote) comparing Colts fans in a Santa Clause reference. Thats why I said gift wrapped. I would be nieve to think that after watching that SuperBowl run they had in 2006 that they sincerely outplayed all those teams they faced and just played great football all the way through. By the act of the lord the 2 or 3 plays in those games the ball either fumbled back in their hands, fumbled in the endzone for a touchdown, survive Manning throwing 7 picks, a complete meltdown by NewEngland and lastly……Rex Grossman. Their defense played awesome though, but was it really their defense, or was it lack of offense from their opposing playoff teams. New England seemed to shred the defense up.
by jay16 on Sep 26, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Lovin Blue....I was very wrong on the score...I didn't know this was 2004's offense this year.
I’ll admit when I’m wrong, when I’m wrong. This Colts team has WEAPONS they didn’t know they had. Huh?….Gonzales……I think maybe you get worked in somewhere in the slot, there is NO WAY he goes back to the outside, after I saw 2 weeks of explosiveness from Garcon, he no Harrison yet, but he has raw speed that the Colts have lacked. Collie is consistant……This Brown kid, is a BIG upgrade from Rhodes, they have not tapped in to this kids talent yet. Props to the defense, just a different team tonight. The Cardinals made some boneheaded play calls, but all in all, I like what I’m seeing tonight, what I see is progression and I’ve been waiting for it for 2 years.
by jay16 on Sep 27, 2009 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stampede Blue
Find more of the same exhilirating converstions such as this on Stampede Blue.
Be sure to say you love Peyton Manning and you’ll be a featured writer.
by KDean75 on Sep 25, 2009 12:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
not even the concern trolls hate Peyton Manning on SB
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’m sure this isn’t the reaction we expected when posting the interview. Sorry guys.
Hey, hey, hey hey hey, watch the language, ok? I have a family.
Revenge of the Birds
by Andrew602 on Sep 25, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No problem
It’s really my fault. I tend to attract these kinds of people.
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 25, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is your fault
You can make amends by offering a little more thought before you start calling people idiots or cussing at them for not agreeing with ya bro. I’m not the only one who’s called you out, there were others as well. There were a shlew of people upset that you guys booted me off mainly because I wrote a blog on how the Colts Harrison lost a step. That was 2 years ago, I ended up being right. Meanwhile you let a couple of your fellow writers trash me, cuss me out, swear at me and when I responded you banned. Everyone knew it was wrong, but because you don’t allow an alternative view on your team you banned me. What you should have done was just debated me.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, if you dont have anything nice to say don't say it at all
Stampede Blue, to me, has always been a fairly optomistic site. People tend not to read things that critize their team on a fan site. Who would? why, because we can watch NFL Network or ESPN to tell us the Colts run defense sucks. We no the Colts have struggled but the best part in watching them is watching Peyton Manning pull wins out of his ass when down by x amount of points with barley any time on the clock. And if you post on a fan site then message is pretty clear that homerism is going to be apart of any post. If you want to critize and bash teams then become a writer for SI or a analyst for the NFL Network because you have to consider all the teams. But seriously what kind of information are you going to get from someone whos sole purpose is to write about the Colts. So you can expect a little bit of homerism when you read from one of Sports Blogg Nation’s writers. Thats just what you get. idk thats my opinion
by colts9318rock on Sep 25, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
The NFL is pretty cut throat, these guys make alot of money. Our taxes pay for their stadiums, then we turn around and pay money to see the games. Everybody should be able to ask questions on why or what they are doing. We are their bosses, we go to the games, if they are not performing at thier million dollar level something should be questioned.
For the Colts, they have a great organization. I don’t hear too many people or writers bash your Colts team, you guys have it good my friend. Peyton Manning is a media darling, Dungy is awful to watch on NBC but he gets a pass.
I agree when you go on a Colts blog or another teams blog, you are going to get homerism, but compared to what? I think they stretch it and tire it out there at Stampede. Go on their and write a blog on how Bill Polian latest draft choices have been busts and should be noted, see what happens. I can tell you that this site, for the Cardinals is less homered.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
aahahahahahaha
MasterRWayne wrote something exactly like that and he’s still a site editor.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/9/6/1017670/has-polian-lost-his-edge
The number of ways you can fool yourself is just amazing.
by shake n bake on Sep 25, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a poorley supported articled back by opinions
i’ll bite my tongue hard here
by colts9318rock on Sep 25, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That grading scale sucks. Colts get an A if you draft 1 player that works out? Get a C for drafting all busts?
I just read that. That’s not objective. Those grades were softball and way TOO HIGH. I agree he’s lost his edge too, and I think MasterWayne has unintentionally said Polian is washed up and his drafts the last 5 years have been busts but didn’t want to give worse grades because its got to be HOMERED up in some way. The difference is I would have written it and cut the fat off it, and layed it out how I saw it. My title would have been Is Bill Polian Washed up? I would have had the same drafts on there, but I beleive his last 4 drafts has gone from mediocre to abysmal, and now Raiderslike. You can’t say Gonzalez isn’t a bust yet but there were better players available, Addai is a decent pick, Ugoh is a bust, thats 3 players besides this years draft who are ONLY worth mentioning in the last 4 years, 3 players, that’s not genius bro. He ignored defense for those three years when he needed a tackle. He chose Ugoh and didn’t blow a first round pick on him? Gonzalez was a surprise, many people had him later in the 2nd round, and he’s played like a late 2nd round pick, but a bust of a first rounder.
Thats my difference. Its cut throat bro, he shouldn’t get a pass for 3 bad drafts in a row, especially being labeled a genius.
by jay16 on Sep 26, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't be money all the time. lol, not "trying to be a homer"
but i think scouting has alot to do with it. Personaly I think the colts need a new scouting department and new medical staff. Ex, the Colts have been cutting cost by ditching some high end guys “Dom Anile” who found undrafted players like Jeff Saturday and D. Rhodes. Do I want Polian gone? No, because the Colts continue to win. The guy has to be doing something right. Besides, who is out their right now that you would rather have as a GM? If the Colts would hire Jimmy Johnson on the other hand…………But back to my point, I think it is time that he started hitting on some of his drafts though.
by colts9318rock on Sep 26, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donald Brown, Collie, Garcon, and that tackle they got from USC
I actually like this Donald Brown guy. I think he’ll be the best pick in awhile. Collie I’m real impressed with his blocking on screen plays and downfield blocking. He seems to hold on to the ball to, he might be a good pick also. Garcon, I think was picked a couple years ago like in the 5th round or something, I actually saw something I liked from him last week when he scored that TD…..Blazing speed! I can’t think of the guys name they drafted this year from USC, but he was great for the trojans, I haven’t heard anything from him yet, but when these guys were drafted with the exception on Garcon, I liked the picks, I didn’t know Garcon, so I couldn’t really judge him.
I happen to think when Anthony Gonzalez comes back he’s not going to start. He may be back in the slot, but Collie is blocking and catching well. I really like Garcon over there, I really think last week carries over to this week. I want to like Gonzales, I really do, but he drops way too many key passes and seldom every makes a big play. If Gonzalez made that screen play last week, I’m thinking he wouldn’t of scored, he would have never missed that first tackle.
by jay16 on Sep 27, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres my point
Sorry for continuing on this but when I say write about the busts, don’t bash Polian, give examples that relates to your objective material. Its a fact that Polian’s draft choices the 4 years have done very little to contribute to the team. Write a blog about Manning taking ALL the blame for the Colts organization’s losses, when in fact if you look at Dungy’s career he deserves the same amount of scrutny. Make another argument that no other team relies on one player to do everything, and what would Dungy’s legacy be with Jim Sorgi at quarterback. Manning is responsible for ALL Colts wins since he came to Indianapolis. I seen enough last year when he was hurt to know, those other players on that team are too over priced. With the money wrapped up in those players on offense and defense, they can’t seem to win A game without him. It would seem to me that there is some coattail riding there from Dungy especially on his way to the Hall of Fame.
by jay16 on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how everybody has a Wes Welker-type guy
But nobody really has anybody who can compare. I understand the thinking but I’m getting tired of the generalization.
Finally, think it’s been mentioned but that’s a seriously generous assessment of the Colts secondary. The numbers are so good because A> they haven’t played any pass-first teams, and B> they’re so bad against the run it makes more sense to grind the clock away from Manning while gaining ridiculous YPC.
Anyway, should be a fun game.
by tw3kr on Sep 25, 2009 5:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Usually...
Us Colts fans refer to Collie as a Brandon Stokely-type guy. BBS probably just used the Welker reference because it’s more universally known instead of being more Colts-iversally known. And I’m sure we can all agree it’s a bit early for a comparison like that. He is just a rookie, after all and it’s only the second game of the season. I think we’re all hoping he’ll become that kind of player more than we actually think he already is that kind of player.
I mean, hey, Wes Welker wasn’t even a Wes Welker-type guy his rookie year…
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by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 25, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you an idiot?
Yes, as fans of football, only Colts fan know who Brandon Stokley is. No one saw Week 1, no one saw the Giants/Ravens Super Bowl.
by KDean75 on Sep 26, 2009 6:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply...
That no one but Colts fans know who Brandon Stokely is. It’s just that most people, at present, when thinking of your prototypical small slot receiver miracle worker-type guy think of Wes Welker first and not Brandon Stokely. This is probably due to the fact that Wes Welker, as with most things relating to the Patriots, generally receives a lot more media coverage, which allows him to serve as a more universally known stereotype of that certain type of player.
Thanks for the warm welcome to your site. :)
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by peytonsurdaddy on Sep 26, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Don Bebe man myself.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Sep 26, 2009 7:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, its no use to even make logic with these guys.
They don’t really seem to know much outside of Stampede Blue. Don’t blame Peyton’surDaddy, he actually thinks what he’s saying is relevant. Let me shed some light. To him Stokely was greater then Welker, Stokely was a legend to these guys. They think all their players are the BEST players, because Polian is the BEST GM, they were a horrible franchise before Manning and Polian got there since the days of Unitas, thats like 30 years. For the last 8 years they just started watching football again and that everyone that wears a Colts uniform during that time has gotta be great, so they hold Harrison, Manning, Edgerrin James, Dungy up there with the absolute GREATEST names ever. They were absolutly shocked when Harrison didn’t get picked up by another team. They couldn’t believe when Cato June left, he did nothing for the Bucs. There still grasping that Edgerin James was a bust for you guys. They think its your fault.
by jay16 on Sep 26, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry guys,
but this crap is annoying now. Take it somewhere else.
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
by Sir Whirly on Sep 26, 2009 6:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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