Some Clarification On The Last Play Of The Game
by Andrew602 on Jan 12, 2010 4:00 AM MST
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PrintI didn't want to talk about it, just because I felt that there was no need to. Since it obviously won't go away, I guess we'll be discussing the facemask that should or shouldn't have been called at the end of the game on Sunday. In case you miraculously missed it, on 3rd and 5, Michael Adams sacked Aaron Rodgers, forcing a fumble that was recovered by Karlos Dansby, who then ran it in for the touchdown.
As you can see to the right, Adams finger grasped Rodgers facemask upon impact. After doing some digging, I noticed Kent Somers was able to get an explanation from league officials:
Here's the statement from the league.
"It was ruled a fumble on the field. The ball didn't hit the ground, so the tuck rule is irrelevant. Had the ball hit the ground, it would've been subject to replay. And that would be a judgment call by referee Scott Green.
"But again, the ball didn't hit the ground, so the tuck rule here is not relevant."On the matter of the facemask penalty that wasn't called, here was the league's statement:
A"facemask" penalty is a judgment call that is not reviewable by replay.
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 of the NFL Rule Book (page 81) states that "no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction."
The Rule Book describes the penalty as follows:
"Penalty: For twisting, turning or pulling the mask: loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature."
The Rule Book describes an approved ruling as it relates to facemask penalties (page 81).
"A.R. 12.12 - Third-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 runs to the A33, where he is tackled by B1, who incidentally grasps A1's facemask on the tackle, but it is not a twist, turn or pull. Ruling: A's ball, fourth-and-seven, on A33. No foul."
Prior to the 2008 season, a rule change was approved that eliminated the foul for the incidental grasp of the facemask.
Personally, I don't see where Adams tugged or twisted at the facemask. Once he struck Rodgers, there was a moment where Rodgers helmet did turn, but it looks more to like it was a result of being sacked and not his facemask being twisted. So here is the official rule that discredits any thoughts of a tuck rule, and states that the facemask penalty was a judgement call. I might say he didn't intentionally pull, others might say he did. I guess you could say no harm, no foul.
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Rodgers' head shifts to follow the ball...
…enough to imply “Mighty” Mike was not grasping/immobilizing him in a flagrant manner. In the old days this would have been a 5-yard penalty. The league did away with the incidental foul for a reason and this is the “poster child” of it: don’t let minor contact disrupt the flow of the game. Otherwise there would be 15+ Illegal Contact penalties a game, 10+ Offensive Pass Interference calls, etc. Good noncall! Bring on the Aints!
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
Doesn't matter
Packers fans will whine about it because they can use it as an excuse to drink. Granted had they won they would also use it as an excuse to drink, so the only difference is the number of angry drunks vs. happy drunks, either way I never drive in Wisconsin if I can help it.
A good coach makes his team better, he doesn’t wait for a better team to make him look good.
watch the film
he grabs the mask and uses it like a handle all the way to the ground. earlier in the game a packer player got flagged for brushing Warners head with his hand as he was being blocked into Warner. Man up and admit it… You (the officals) missed a call… Don’t try to hide behind excuses… the facts are pretty clear.
grasp = handle
“A.R. 12.12 – Third-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 runs to the A33, where he is tackled by B1, who incidentally grasps A1’s facemask on the tackle, but it is not a twist, turn or pull. Ruling: A’s ball, fourth-and-seven, on A33. No foul.”
The Warner Play
I have to agree with this part. It’s unfortunate that we got the call on Warner earlier in the game and then have this happen on the deciding play.
But as the players and coaches have said, there are a lot of calls that affect the game. I know I’d be pissed if I were a Packer fan too, so I can’t really tell you guys to move on.
It is sad though that the media can never give the Cardinals credit. It is literally never the Cardinals that win. It is always some reason why the other team lost.
Anyway, great season to you guys. I would be very excited about about your team. You guys have a lot of great pieces in place and will no doubt be back next year.
If it were the other way around I would be yelling facemask as well
But since the ball never hit the ground was essentially intercepted, the facemask was irrelevant to the play and shouldn’t have mattered anyways.
If ever there is an example of incidental, this is it.
Most of the questionable calls went against the Cards. The horsecollar that wasn’t, the missed touch by Brown to down the receiver. One or two of the calls on Adams.
This is why I question if Ariz fans
have been watching football all season long or did they start after this game because the NFL has been calling incidental face masks as a 15 yard penalty.
I question cheesehead's iq
If you notice on such a game changing play the referees have always leaned more towards non-calls. The discussion whether it was or wasn’t is irrelevant because of how close it was. Watch any ‘contact’ sport, soccer, football, basketball (to a degree). When the game is on the line they let the athletes play.
What you should be bitching about is how Rodgers overthrew a completely open Jennings and how he held on to the ball long enough for the sack-fumble to occur. What I’ve learned as a Cardinals fan is you can only blame your team for their performance, certain things happen that you just have to deal with, like sucking ass cause of ownership for the better part of a century.
Good luck next year, season’s over Packers faithful, and the worst part… you lost to the CARDINALS!!! HOW DOES THAT TASTE!!!???
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jan 12, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
yes I am a Packers fan
but I’m not so much hung up on the missed calls (but seriously, you guys got a huge home team discount by the refs in that game, big enough that I think it changed the game). I realize that we coughed the ball up on our first 2 possessions and that eventually cost us the game, not the refs.
But can I say, I live in MN so I’m used to lots of hating and bit… complaining… about the Packers. One of my buddies grew up in AZ but goes to school up here in MN (Vikings fan) and was at the game and he made a comment on how pathetic, annoying, and fair weather Cards fans are “where were all these people 2 years ago?”. I kind of ignored it, but after reading these blogs of yours, there’s a lot more “cardsfanforlife24” on here than anything else… I guess he was right
Not saying Packers fans are perfect, there’s definitely some real @$$holes out there… but you guys are ridiculous
I can't speak for everyone but I've been a fan even through the crappy years(and there were a lot)
Calling Cardinals’ fans out because they are bandwagon fans? Really? How many championships do the Packers have compared to the Cardinals? Or actually, how many winning seasons do they have compared to the Cardinals? When your team is a winner, it’s easy to criticize Cardinals’ fans for jumping on the bandwagon after 60+ years of losing.
Anyway, we’ve been through this with other teams trying to call out Cardinals’ fans. Realistically, every team has bandwagon fans. When Peyton Manning retires and the Colts have losing seasons 10 years in a row, will they lose fans too? Likely.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
now I know why
you are cheese heads, goes well with all this whine pouring from GB
"I've been around long enough to know how ignorant I am. I don't assume the universe obeys my preconceptions. Huh! But I know a frelling fact when it hits me in the face!"
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jan 12, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
hahahahahahaha
‘I kind of ignored it, but after reading these blogs of yours, there’s a lot more "cardsfanforlife24" on here than anything else… I guess he was right’
I’ve been a Cardinals fan through quite a few terrible years. Even tried picking a new favorite team because of getting so frustrated but for some reason stuck with the Cards. ‘UOFMIKE’ sounds like you just read the last sentence of my post. Your friend sounds like a woman. Every football game i’ve attended, high school through pros, there are loud arrogant people that can’t shut their mouth and only cheer for their team. I’ve seen many different types of fans and to say that we’re ‘ridiculous’ compared to the asshole (@$$hole in your fag speech) fans of the Pack or any other team is flat out stupid. There are unruly fans at every game for every team. The sooner you accept this and stop getting butthurt as if all these comments are directed at your mother, the sooner you will start enjoying the game.
The fact is our history as a team sucks, yours is extremely rich. Every ‘expert’ picked against our team so if we want to relish in the fact that we are the most lethal underrated team in the NFL then let us do so and worry about your own team (as in go read your own blogs why the hell are you even here?)
‘there’s a lot more "cardsfanforlife24" on here than anything else… I guess he was right’ Sounds like you’re saying there’s a lot more educated devoted fans on this CARDINALS sight then I thank you for your sentiments.
Btw I’m pretty sure Wal-Mart stocks those extra large tampons for those heavy flow days you’ve recently been experiencing.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jan 12, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You lost me at
“I’m not so much hung up on the missed calls (but seriously, you guys got a huge home team discount by the refs in that game, big enough that I think it changed the game). "
Isn’t that essentially what being hung up on missed calls is?
Fairweather or not, Cardinals fans are frankly just sick of being denegrated to the point where every victory is the byproduct of someone else’s mistake. And honestly, most of us have lived with the crap of the last 20+ years to the point where we honestly don’t know how to react to success. It’s a lot easier to be gracious in victory when the other fanbase isn’t belittling every fan of the victor for cheering on the team they love.
I used to think really highly of packer fans, your great history and the tradition of Lambeau, but between this continued obsession with a player who hasn’t been there for nearly two years (it’s OVER, you obviously made the right call and should be HAPPY that you have a dynamic young QB with a HUGE upside) and the sheer rudeness I observed this weekend at the game and online you guys aren’t exactly showing yourselves to be even worth the effort.
Teams with no history are expected to act the way Cards fans do. Teams with a rich history are not.
+1 Agreed
For most teams (the Packers especially), the phrase ’there’s always next year’ actually has meaning because they have a great chance at building upon their success.
That is a luxury us Cardinal fans don’t have (much of it resting on Warner’s decision at the end of the year).
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jan 12, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
:)
you all prove his point nicely about the pathetic and annoying. When did I ever say every fan is fair weather? Minnesota is full of fair weather fans (probably more than any other state) but there are some real die hards here too. Hell, I never miss a T’Wolves game and will spend hours talking about a team that has never really done anything… Cards fans want to talk about it being tough, HA. You guys were bad for so long, but at least you’ve been to a championship now and maybe you can’t look forward to next season because you’re too caught up in your own self loathing, “Cardinals fans are frankly just sick of being denegrated to the point where every victory is the byproduct of someone else’s mistake. And honestly, most of us have lived with the crap of the last 20+ years to the point where we honestly don’t know how to react to success”. The University of Minnesota sports haven’t accomplished anything in football or basketball since the early 60’s, but guess what, the entire state still backs them proudly
Oh and I guess I can take classy off the list of things I think about AZ too. This doesn’t apply to all Cards fans though, just you guys…
I’m not hung up on the refs, the Packers lost that game for themselves, but to say the refs weren’t making calls that were heavily in AZ favor is ridiculous
The University of Minnesota sports haven’t accomplished anything in football or basketball since the early 60’s, but guess what, the entire state still backs them proudly
It’s a little different when the whole state attended the university or knows someone that did. When you shell out that kind of money for tuition you want some residuals via the university sports. At least they have hockey.
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
are you honestly telling me
that you don’t know someone that went to the U of A?
And the U is (I think) the largest campus in the country and until recently, they had the largest student body in the country, so of course people know someone that went to the school
Jallred350… haha I like you
University of Arizona? Auburn?
Its ASU, U of Minn (Twin Cities), Ohio State University.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 13, 2010 11:53 PM MST up reply actions
By your own admission you have no vested interest in this game since you live in Minnesota and are not a Packer’s fan. So my question is…
What kind of person, with no vested interest in the situation, decides to take time out of his day to come and rail on Cards fans after we just had a great weekend? Not a very good one in my mind. Why don’t you just go away.
Passive aggressive
Excellent passive aggressive post. We did have a huge spike in ROTB members grow after last years run, but some of us have been here for a little while blogging here at ROTB and talking objectively about why we lost and why we won since Leinart was a starter.
Like others have said, every team has fair weather fans, especially successful teams that get fans to glom on during they’re successful periods. That’s why Arizona was filled with so many Dallas, Packers, and San Fran fans for so many years.
Those teams are able to go on the road and here their “faithful” chant when they’re team is up. It’s the way of things. But remember as well, that new stadiums brings new attention and new fans. Dash in some success and a future HOF QB, lots of Pro Bowlers for two years in a row, and I think it’s the recipe to revive a team and gain many fans.
Fans are also great crying foul when their team loses. Pittsburgh (why aren’t we in the playoffs, it’s a conspiracy). That’s just one example of lots of crying, a lot of GB fans looking for the out instead of looking at the two turnovers to start the game and the wide open Jennings is another. Terrible towel anyone?
Section 102, Row 18
Oh, and I have been a fan since ’07 btw. I just got super lucky and became ticket holder in ’08 which is what my 08 is for.
Which is also super lucky because that was also the SB run year.
Section 102, Row 18
AND
Have you ever sat in Sun Devil stadium? Holy Sneakers Bat Man. I swear we always got the 1 o’clock games. Heck, even in November that place hit the 100’s.
I remember a few years ago when we beat the Eagles, all the seats in the sun where empty and everyone was packed on the sides of the stadium because it was so damn hot.
I have recently moved out of country, but once I am back I dream of spending a day in our new stadium.
Oh, and I “openly” became a Cards fan when we drafted Fitz. I knew he was something special coming out of college.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 13, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
The 5 yard facemask was eliminated, not added to the 15 yard facemask
A player can grasp the facemask, but as long as he does not twist, turn, or pull as they tackle the offensive player. The rule is clearly stated above.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
Every losing team needs an excuse
Adams had a non-call facemask, Holmes didn’t get both feet down, and so on. Give it up. Remember, Ed Hochuli was doing the game, so don’t expect perfection.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
Didn't he do the Eagles/Cowboys game?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
I agree with Rogers over throwing Jennings on that first play. However I don’t care for great games that are decided on the final play by a call that wasn’t made.
And I don’t have a team because I am from LA so I’m forced to watch random games so
I don’t know how it tastes. Now if you want to talk about my teams I can ask you how it tastes to lose to the Lakers year in and year out? Just jk.
There were lots of missed calls in this game.
If you sit down with the recorded game and look for them it would make for a sickening long list. There was a flagrant hold by the Packers (#63) against Chike Okeafor (#56) on this particular play that also didn’t get called and there is no question as to the validity of that foul. A fistful of shirt is holding, period. Every game has missed calls. People just need to get over it and stop making excuses. The Packers didn’t make enough plays to win the game. End of story. After two weeks of gloating Pack fans rubbing in how the would crush the Cardinals they can’t accept the fact that they lost. Packer fans with class are above this. The trolls are clinging to this because they can’t deal with the loss of face.
After two weeks of gloating Pack fans rubbing in how the would crush the Cardinals they can’t accept the fact that they lost.
Its been longer than two weeks. They destroyed us in the preseason and when they saw it was a possibility they would face us again in the playoffs, you could see the slobbery cheese dripping down their faces.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
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There wasn’t a call to be made, that’s the point. The NFL even released a statement regarding it. Even so there are calls missed on nearly every play, i.e. holding.
You don’t have a team because you are from LA? So no Raiders or 49ers since their close? May not matter in a while anyways cause I guess they’re looking at either moving a team to LA or starting one from the rumors I’ve heard. That’d be pretty sweet.
And I don’t follow basketball too much, but if you’re a Lakers fan you can say that to any other team since they’re the definition of a dynasty and have spanked everyone at one point or another, no big deal.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jan 12, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
REFS RUINED THE BEST COMEBACK EVER
So it may not have been a facemask but it certainly without a doubt was hands to the face. It shouldn’t have even come down to that. The 2nd TD by Fitz was a complete push off. THE REFS SUCK!!!
That was just Top 10 Wild Card Playoff games.
That game also ranked #1 at the top of Top 10 Comebacks episode that seems to air regularly on NFLN.
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
The 2nd TD by Fitz was a complete push off.
Watch that play closely. You will see Fitz being held by Charles and all he did was throw his hands straight UP to release the hold. Woodson fell on his own because of the change of direction and Fitz just kinda stepped over him since he was in the way of 6 more points.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Penalty (if any exists) occured after the fumble/interception
Rodgers lost the ball BEFORE Adams even got near his face mask. The ball was live and in the air (whether as a pass or a fumble) when the penalty occured. By NFL rules, even if Adams were charged with a penalty, it still would have been Arzona’s ball. Change of possession out ranks face mask/hands to the face penalties, unless the penalty is the cause of the change of possession – which is not the case here.
It sucks that there is so much controversy over the game, but I would like to remind all of my fellow Cardinals fans that we STILL get pissed when we talk about the blatantly bad calling of last year’s Super Bowl (specifically the Harrison interception-TD and all of the holding). Let’s give the Packers fans a break, let them vent, and stand firm in our belief that it was a great game and we won fair-and-square.
-- Red headed Cardinals Fan
(Sort of like being the red-headed step child...everyone jokes about beating us a lot.)
by cdredhead on Jan 12, 2010 11:01 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Never heard much on the INT return
I think the poor tackling was to blame for that.
The no call that I still don’t like is the celebration with the football after the touchdown by Holmes. That would’ve added 15 yards to the Cardinals next drive and instead of Warner trying a hail mary from the Steelers 45 yard line, it would’ve been from the 30 – a lot more managable. But we won’t get into all that.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
Hell Yes!
I still wake up at night screaming for flags that will never be thrown in the Superbowl! I am glad you are mentioning the fact that the ball was lost B4 the hand to the facemask. I have been saying this to anyone who wants to call our win “tainted”. I don’t have a copy of the rulebook, but I think that if a call was made, we would still have the ball and the 15 yards would have been tacked on from the spot of the foul? Would Rackers have missed another close one?….. Thank God we will never know!!
- Never go in against a sicilian when DEATH is on the line!
look carefully
There could have been a holding call at the end of the titans game that caused the cards to lose.
there are no calls all the time. Packers lost because Warner played better, and Arizonas defense had bigger plays.
Or do Green Bay fans want to say they could only have won due to penalty’s?
OKAY
This has gone on long enough. Cards fans, lets move on and not acknowledge what happened the last game. Sure the game was a fantastic win, but the final goal still lies ahead.
We have to get by a VERY good Saints team than past a VERY good Cowgirls team (Romo is as hot as Sun Devil stadium during our usual 1 o’ clock games back in the day!).
Be the better fan and move on!
I await articles from the regulars about how we are going to beat “Who Dat!”
They are who we thought they were!
51 points!
If we can put up 51 points (45 with the offense) on the No. 1 ranked defense, then we can handle the Saints.
It’s the ’Boys I am most worried about. They will beat down Favre and the Vikings and then we have to go at them in their beautiful new home.
Once we overcome them (by the skin of our teeth, I think) we have to get past the Chargers (who will whallup the cr@p out of the Jets and the Colts) to get that ultimate prize.
Say it with me Cardinals fans: Introducing Super Bowl XLIV Champions Arizona Cardinals and Super Bowl MVP Kurt Warner!!!
-- Red headed Cardinals Fan
(Sort of like being the red-headed step child...everyone jokes about beating us a lot.)
I hope we play Dallas in the NFC Championship.
I would get to talk so much shit in Dallas. _
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
+1
apologize for my negative comments above, just a passionate fan who’s had little to be excited about for a very long time.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jan 12, 2010 1:46 PM MST reply actions
comments on officating are always one sided and taint the legend of the game
The non call is correct becasue Adams hit the ball out of Rogers hand and the face mask touch came when the ball is in the air. Rogers is kicking the ball, the ref has to be looking at the ball. Officating is imperfect. Foolish to suggest that bad calls tally like touchdowns.
But if the Packer fans want to win that game. I can’t blame them, the post game analysis is the only tournement in which they are still alive The worst non penalty for me was the Breston catch in the 4th quarter drive where Tremon Williams grabbed Breston on the arm as the Breston ran past him and his holding Breston’s left arm at the elbow as Breston makes his one handed catch.
The comment on the helmet to helmet is valid, but Packer fans can’t act like this compaires to the Don Denkinger calling Royals’ Jorge Orta safe at first base in the ninth inning of Game 6 of the 1985 Series against the baseball Cardinals
Maybe Rogers should convert to Kicker
What WAS he thinking??? Why kick the ball? Why? What a maroon!!! He DESERVES to lose. Fidiot….. He was probably shaken up by that big butt-slam he took on one of the previous plays. WHAM!!! What a great hit it was. Oy. I watched in slo-mo ten times. LOL
He's a Cal-boy, figured he'd hackey-sack back into his hands.
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
He was probably thinking since it was not a forward pass...
it would not have been called a in incomplete pass if the ball had hit the ground or that the tuck rule would not have applied. Kicking the ball with his angle would have all but assured the ball would go forward where there was more help to recover it.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Not so much the last play...
But the play before last to me was a clear roughing the passer penalty. Warner got one earlier in the game which turned irrelevant as Fitz scored his second TD. I’m not trying to hide behind the ref’s missed calls because, as bitter as I am about the loss, I give all the credit in the world to the Cards for putting up an incredible offensive performance which I wouldn’t thought possible given the form of our defense and Boldin’s absence, but I felt that throughout the game the officiating was not even.
However, congrats to the Cardinals and hope they go all the way this year. Warner is a class act and he deserves another title before he calls it a game.
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 12, 2010 11:52 PM MST reply actions
Connect the play before the "roughing" and this is all moot.
Every team had plenty of opportunities to take this game regardless the imagined transgressions of the officials, cheerleaders, and/or grounds crews. They had nothing to do with the two turnovers the Packers committed to spot a 14-0 lead to start the game (thank you Karlos). I’d pine about that a lot more before playing the blame game on the officials.
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
Doesn't Ultimately matter
Reading all the posts from both sides. (yes I am a old die hard Packer fan who was around to watch the 60’s team in person) but here are my lines of thoughts. First congrats AZ on a great game. Second this was an emotional game so emotions run high and it’s a bummer it ended with some issues.
On the game.
A couple of lame horsecollar calls
A missed hold on Clifton and one on Woodson
A missed or ignored offensive PI call (could say good no call incidental contact)
A lame roughing call that also included a missed offensive holding call(actually was a tackle IMO)
A missed helmet to helmet
A missed facemask ok lets say it wasn’t grabbed but from slo mo sure seems to have been. It’s still hands to the face and they have been calling that all year. Did so on the Jenkins penalty with Kurt.
However all the above doesn’t matter. If Aaron would have hit Jennings on a pass they normally will complete 9 out of 10 times we don’t discuss calls. GB didn’t get it done well actually neither defense got it done. As Rodgers put it. “control what you can” all games have bad calls, and I agree in OT officials are more inclined to go with no call. Personally I was more upset with the helmet to helmet a couple plays earlier. But you go on and wait until next year if a Packer fan.
Go Pack and AZ Good Luck from a Wi born Packer fan who lives in Cedar Rapids IA now. Yes you can thank us for Kurt. LOL
Rodgers
I’ll say this, after watching the post-game interview of Aaron Rodgers I give him nothing but due respect. For a young player with quite a bit on his shoulders he showed the kind of class we’re used to seeing from Warner. ‘Control what you can’ being an example of his maturity.
You guys are fortunate to have a very talented young QB to lead your franchise for the next decade.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jan 13, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
+1
I’ll trade you Q for Rodgers straight up.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
I could not agree more...
I’m a bit partial, but facts are clear and loud in support of this guy being a class act. Not only his post game demanor where nobody even heard a single whining or complain, but Rodgers completed arguably the best overall season by a QB statistically speaking with a lot less fanfare than the guys who won or were talked about in the MVP consideration. In today’s showboating NFL primadonas: T.O.s, Ochocincos, or Twittercraze -Rodgers stand among the best with little fanfare. Food for thought, MVP voters.
Our future is secure. Meanwhile, good luck Cardinals…
by Rodgers_for_MVP on Jan 13, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
That's a negative!
It’s all a front. If they had won he would have been a contributor to them winning but they lost and HE is the reason why. There is a problem between his ears. I don’t think the problem is going to go away any time soon (unless he gets a lobotomy).
facemask?
its interesting that the NFL issued a statement, at all. if the correct call was or wasnt made, why are they defending it? they conveniently provide the rule for the facemask and its penalty and state that the “tuck rule” was not an issue because it was a fumble. thats great, but whats interesting is what they did not comment on. a “point of emphasis” in the NFL this year was “protecting the quarterback”. the “brady rules”. any time a defender strikes the QB in the head or goes for the knees, it is considered “roughing the quarterback”. it was flagged in the third quarter on warners second TD pass to fitzgerald even though the defender was tackled into warner. rodgers was hit in the helmet twice in the last series, and in full view of at least two officials on each play. the last play determined the outcome of the game and they decide to provide the verbage for a facemask penalty. why?
Warner's call
Earlier in the game Warner had a club to the head and was lobbying to the Referee after the play and again after the Cards scored. At that point Warner’s statements were in the head of the ref and probably helped him to throw the flag on that particular play. A make up call? Doubtful. A “I’m watching for what you talked about Kurt” call, certainly.
Who hasn’t noticed players, especially veteran players, gabbing in the ear of refs in between playings, mimicking the infractions “Player X” is doing. Often a call comes later in the game and that same player is applauding the ref and nodding his head as in “I told you so”.
Does Kurt get a few more calls than most young QBs? Certainly. So does Peyton, so does Favre. It all comes from years of experience and building a rapport with different refs. Is Rodgers not getting the same calls? Flagrant, sure, he’s getting them. Those “waffle” calls? Who knows, but it can certainly be argued he didn’t get them Sunday. Give him five years and perhaps it will be a different story in the same situation.
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
i will agree that certain players have “earned” certain calls or respect. but to ignore not one, but two obvious infractions at such a critical point in the game is inexcusable. $omething tel$$ me there i$ more to thi$ $tory than ju$t re$pect of the official$. arizona= ca$h cow.
I see it more as retribution.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Arizona = Cash Cow?!
Bidwell still owns the team, right? m i l k man, don’t you have some VHS tapes of X-Files to watch in your mother’s basement?
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
arizona = ca$h cow
the cards were -1 point favorites on saturday, by sunday morning the packers were favored by -2.5. that means all the money was on GB. somebody “flipped the switch” alright.
because they have to
because so much hype was made about it, and the pack faithful won’t let it go, the NFL officials tried to put it to rest. Regardless, if it were called, we would still have the ball and on the 35 yardline or so since it occurred after the change of possession. SO really, the outcome would be no different. If they didn’t issue a statement, then the Pack would clearly never let it go, but unfortunately it didn’t seem to work. Get over it, and watch the remaining 7 games, reflecting on the past will not change a thing except the perception people will have on the Pack faithful. I thought the fans at the game were great, but all of the excuses are really starting to get pathetic…
Enjoy it.
Drew Brees and the Saints are going to hand it to you guys. The way your defense played. I would be worried.
by Poopmouthwhompa1 on Jan 14, 2010 4:37 AM MST reply actions
Sure, I'm worried.
The way our offense scores points, you should be worried. “Let’s call it a draw”.
Don't waste time or Time will waste you.
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