Cardinals' Season Ends On a Sour Note In The City Of Jazz, What's Next?
by Undrafteds on Jan 17, 2010 10:52 AM MST
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If you hadn't watched every snap of the Cardinals season as I did and only caught their playoff performance, you might surmise that their defense is awful. To be sure, Arizona's season ended on a sour note at the hands of a very good football team.
Nothing went Arizona's way: I mean let's face it, it is hard enough to stop the No.1 ranked offense with a full, healthy roster. With LB Gerald Hayes (arguably the Cardinals best run-stuffing backer) already having been declared inactive for the game, after Pro Bowl CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (the Cardinals' only true cover DB) and Pro Bowl alternate Safety Antrel Rolle were both injured early, and it was game on for the Saints.
The 3-4 defense only works if pressure is applied to the QB, and the Cardinals had no rush whatsoever. At that point, instead of game on it was more like game over.
Its really a shame for Bill Davis' defensive unit, since the team made strides during the regular season and were in fact a new and improved Arizona defense. Not perfect by any stretch, but better. It is also ironic and anticlimactic that in Davis' first year as Defensive Coordinator though they progressed overall, they played worse than Clancy Pendergast's defense did the previous year in the postseason, which wasn't enough to save Pendergast's job.
Let me take a moment to briefly reflect on some possible changes going into the offseason.
Offensive line
There is uneasiness about Russ Grimm's future as O-line coach. He has been a top candidate for a head coaching position for several years now, and this could be his farewell. In my mind that may be the biggest question mark heading into next season. Grimm has solidified Arizona's offensive trenches, and if mammoth twins Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson continue to develop it is conceivable the Cardinals could be pretty scary in that department.
Quarterback
Will Kurt Warner retire? I don't think he will but let's say he does. I am not sold on Matt Leinart as the answer but he has enough going his way that the Cardinals would make him the No.1 QB. The offense would likely become more of a running team and would be less explosive vertically, but that doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't win. It would be a different approach, and perhaps in time Leinart would find his stride.
Wide Receiver
Early Doucet has proven that he is ready to spell Anquan Boldin permanently. The Cardinals probably will choose to trade Q for draft picks and/or a proven defender.
Jerheme Urban has had his chances, and I think he may have just had his last one. That fumble against the Saints changed the complexity of the game. It is too bad because Urban worked so hard to get where he is, coming from a tiny college and going undrafted, and has great size and speed. The mistakes have caught up with him though and that can't be denied.
Tight End
Ben Patrick has performed well on the big stage. If he can stay healthy and continue to improve his blocking maybe the Cardinals will choose to roll with him instead of addressing this position.
Running Backs
Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower are a young, potent duo. Add promising LaRod Stephens-Howling into the mix and Arizona does nothing at this spot, it is cemented.
Defensive Line
With a young NT, Darnell Dockett and Calais Campbell are the only bookends a team needs. Assuming Dockett is on the team next season, the Cardinals would be wise to in the very least give aging Bryan Robinson and inconsistent Gabe Watson some competition.
Linebackers
Clark Haggans, Chike Okeafor, Gerald Hayes and Bertrand Berry are aging to the point where any or all of them could be off the roster by next Fall. Karlos Dansby may sign on with another team. Monty Beisel is a stop-gap, not a long term solution. Linebacker may be the Cardinals' biggest area of need.
Osi Umenyiora anyone? He is no spring chicken himself, but if he has enough left in the tank, could be converted to LB, and it appears he is unhappy in New York.
Secondary
I would cut Bryant McFadden immediately. Greg Toler is far better in coverage even with very little experience. Toler could develop and make quite a tandem with DRC.
Antrel Rolle and Adrian Wilson are the best linebackers playing DB in the league.
Hopefully, promising Matt Ware comes back healthy and Rashad Johnson and Michael Adams continue to develop. Newcomer Hamza Abdullah is a possibility to remain, and if nothing else offers good size at the position.
Don't fret Cardinals fans. It was a great year. We made it to the Elite 8, and were an improved regular season team.
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Agreed with almost everything you said.
From what I heard on Urbans blog, the Cardinals weren’t blitzing as much because of all of the injuries, so that could explain why the Defense [that looked so good against the Vikings] looked like crap.
As for Leinart, the passing game hasn’t been as vertical as it was before, it seemed like most of the passes were 10-15 yard passes that were meant to use Warners brain to find the open guy right away. I think Leinart can handle the offense they use now, but there will be more of a running game.
As for the Kicker, I would have kept Nugent and let Rackers get some rest because it is obvious he is still in pain.
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I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
If the cards front office wanted to make a huge move in the nfc west
we could steal the 49ers NT arbroyo franklin in FA this year
The Devil Birds just got cha
would love to see him here to solidify our pass rush
but i hear the niners are planning to franchise him. also, we’d only be able to sign him to a cap hit of 5 mil, and he might garner more than that in free agency
Fooch at Niners Nation said he was pretty sure they'd franchise Franklin
They don’t have any depth behind him and Singletary knows you need a NT to make the 3-4 work.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Good write up man, props!
I agree with just about everything you said. I however think we go after a QB either in the draft or free agency. I’m not comfortable with just gift wrapping a starting job to Leinart and competition always makes you better. Who will be available? I think Anderson from Cleveland might be a viable option. With a solid offense like our I think he could really floorish and turn into a Brees type QB in the league. The Browns have made it clear Quinn is there man and they could use a receiver like Boldin. Our defense scares the hell out of me as it stands and we have so many depth issues we are in BIG trouble if not addressed. I thikn our Super Bowl window closed yesterday ladies and Gents with that loss. Thankfully we have a ton of youth on both sides of the ball to be a force in a couple of seasons. I just don’t see the Bidwells really opening up the pocket book this offseason.
Is was a fun season but I kind of felt this was going to happen. There didn’t seem to be that same magic like there was last year and the injury bug really screwed us. ::Sighs:: We now have to deal with 6 months of Baseball, Basketball and Nascar. Lord help us all:-(
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
appreciate it 66
no matter what warner does, I hope we bring in some competition in camp. Anderson is not a bad idea. I’d love to have someone like Matt Moore. Or even the Panthers usually inactive #3 QB Hunter Cantwell, huge arm and moxy. I am sure there are several. I’d take Tyler Thigpen in a heartbeat from Miami. Jason Campbell. Josh Johnson. I would give any of those guys a chance. But I know I am in the minority often so heckle away ;)
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+ 1 on bringing Josh Johnson to AZ
Maybe we could get him in a trade from the bucs. Boldin for JJ and a 2nd
by CardsDefense on Jan 17, 2010 7:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Kevin Kolb
from Philly is another QB that could be available.
I don't think Reid will let him get away
Is he a FA?
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jan 17, 2010 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
We could always bring in Vick,
I think he is itching for a starting job. Me personally, I feel he has done his time and paid the price, so…
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I think he is going to the Rams
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No Vick
Our receivers would never get the ball. He wouldn’t be a good fit.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
Can't happen twice
Lets be honest, on paper this team was alot better than last year’s. The problem is that the teams the Cards played last year were alot worse than this years teams. The Falcons were no where near as good as the Packers. They had a rookie quarterback and relied on the ground game to beat teams. The Panthers were a one dimensional team with Jake Delhomme at QB. Force Delhomme to try and make some plays and you win.You stop the run against either team you beat them. The Eagles were also a one dimensional team who couldn’t run the ball. In general the Cardinals got great match ups last year in the play-offs and got a home game in the NFC championship. Look at the 5 teams this year in the NFC. The ‘Boys, Packers, Vikings, Eagles, and Saints were all better than any team in the NFC last year. The Cards just ran into a tougher draw. The performance was disappointing, but the team showed improvement from last years. They were much more consistent from weak to weak and played better. If most of the team remains intact and they get some improvement the goal next season is to get a bye and possibly get home field advantage. That starts with beating those pesky ’Niners twice. Last years opportunity doesn’t come along every year and that Harrison play will be seared into every Cards players memory until they get another shot.
AS for the game yesterday, I honestly think the Hightower run was a bad thing. It didn’t allow the offense to settle in into any kind of rhythm and then Urban fumbles on the next play and just like that the Cardinals are down 14-7 and they get ambushed. It wouldn’t have made a difference, but if the Cardinals went on a methodical drive to start the game and got any points I think they would have played better offensively then they did. It wouldn’t have made any difference in the out come, but might have been closer.
The Cardinals have got to figure out how to defend the 5 wide receiver set. They could not stop the Packers or the Saints whenever they got into that formation. Whenever the Saints or Packers needed to pick up a key third down they went to that.
I don’t know what they teach in Pittsburgh, but their corners are just awful. The Steelers corners were awful this year and awful last year as well, but they are able to mask it because they get such good pressure and play really well zone. Their corners can not cover man to man. I don’t understand how they consistently have a good defense with that kind of corner play. McFadden is awful, every completion was against his man.
The Cardinals need to get a guy opposite of DRC either in free agency or the draft.
As for keeping Boldin or not it all depends on Warner’s return. If Warner comes back next year then you can get rid of him. If not you have to keep him because the Cardinals passing offense will be dramatically different. It will change from an all over the field vertical passing offense that attacks the middle of the field to a dink and dunk offense. Boldin is perfect for that. He can take the 5 yard slant or hitch to the house.
There was a firefight!!!!
I don’t know what they teach in Pittsburgh, but their corners are just awful. The Steelers corners were awful this year and awful last year as well, but they are able to mask it because they get such good pressure and play really well zone. Their corners can not cover man to man. I don’t understand how they consistently have a good defense with that kind of corner play. McFadden is awful, every completion was against his man.
The Cardinals need to get a guy opposite of DRC either in free agency or the draft.
You said it, right there. The Steelers are able to mask mediocre corners with an amazing pass rush. We don’t have that pass rush yet and McFadden got exposed.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
If Warner retires...
Cards need to draft a QB, but not first round. Look for a diamond in the rough. Bring back Palko even. I think with the running backs maturing, Leinart could manage the game. We won’t win on his arm alone, but he may be better for the team so it focuses on a balanced attack. With Kurt, he’s too good now to cater towards his strengths.
This offseason should be all about strengthening the defense, and bringing in an offensive coordinator. I think Whiz did a good job playing both roles, he shouldn’t have to.
HA... Palko...
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
No
I don’t want a guy who is in a gimmick offense where all he has to do is throw dump off passes and his receivers get big gains off of them because they are more athletic than the other teams defenders.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
90 points given up in the playoffs is what will be remembered.
Next season many will be handing the division to the 49ers before a game has been played, especially if Warner retires. That may be for the best motivationally. (Not the bit about Warner though).
You’ve hit all the marks here. I shudder to think of the team without Dockett. You shouldn’t suggest such things. Defense is absolutely the main area to build up. I can’t believe so many mock drafts call for the Cards to pick a 1st round TE. Absurd.
Here's the thing, Warner doesn't like using tight ends in passing situations,
but Leinart does, so I am curious to see what happens.
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
Doesn't matter.
Defensive needs trump offense at this point. A receiving TE would be a luxury draft and do nothing to help. I’m not saying that role wouldn’t be nice to have on the team. It just is stupid to think it’s a 1st round option.
+1
The QB will determine the offense and not vise versa. This ? mark needs to be addressed asap. Then we go straight to the OLBs, CB then NT.
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by hevchv on Jan 17, 2010 6:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
defense the priority
It would be great if they could pick up a pressure DE to compliment Dockett. They also need another DRC-type corner to replace McFadden. I haven’t seen enough to know if Toler is the answer though he looked good at times yesterday. He should get a shot if they don’t bring somebody else in. As you point out, the 3-4 doesn’t work without pressure and it’s not working with the current personnel.
I agree they need to bring in another QB to compete with Leinart. I don’t think Carolina would part with Moore at this point. Hopefully, Kurt will stay another year because if he does not there will be a significant drop-off and the playoffs are doubtful at best.
Somebody mentioned lack of vertical passes. This has been the case since Whiz took over play calling, but alot of the problem is that the protection is not consistent enough to give Warner time for the longer routes. In watching the other games you notice a distinct difference in the amount of time Manning, Favre, and the other QB’s have because the Olines are more dependable. Still, there probably haven’t been enough flea flickers and imaginative stuff that Haley used last year.
Cut Leinhart, McFadden, 1st round should be all about the Defense
I fucking hate Matt Leinhart. i think he is the cause of this loss. Week 17 against the Packers, in relief, Leinhart throws a horrible pass, as per usual, to Boldin who gives it his all to catch it, as he always does, and twists his knee and ankle in the process. now you can blame Whisenhunt for having kept him in the game, but that pass was still shit. Cut him, heck, St. Pierre seems to do a better job and it doesnt seem like anyone particularly likes Matt, or maybe its just me. Lass week in the Packers game Warner was talking to Pierre, this week, for some strange reason Leinhart was conversing with him as well. A sign??!! haha. That might be stretching it but he still has no arm and sucks.
McFadden is just bad. Really bad. Always has been, always will be. Maybe its because Cromartie is so good they pick on McFadden?? Either way he cant handle it.
I would love to see Cincy QB Pike in a Cardinals uniform. Big guy, 6’6" 225lbs with a cannon for an arm. Im not sure of every detail on this kid but I would love to have someone with a cannon for the awesome receivers we have. Our emerging running game with a deep threat.
i double wrap my rascal in order to punish the supermodels.
by sornypanafonic on Jan 18, 2010 12:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Cut Leinart???
That’s really pushing it. We haven’t seen enough from him consistantly to say either way. We do need to bring in competition though so Leinart does not get complacent. St. Pierre did look a lot worse when he has played then Leinart. And Leinart does have decent zip on the ball too and has shown glimpses of greatness.
Vick is an interesting idea. He has serious arm strength and did look good throwing to Bolden and Fitz in the pro-bowl a few years back. If we could get him I am all for it.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Vick is an interesting idea.
Say what you will about his extra curricular activities but he does have a good arm on him and I cant see him costing a lot, so we could afford, hopefully, to keep some of our restricted free agents.
I dont know about glimpses of greatness out of Leinhart. He is one of the greatest college QBs but the game against the packers, he looked horrible. He was good against the titans but I think we can all agree we would have won that game handedly if Warner was in it (and yes, if the defense could make one 4th down stop for the love of God.)
Nobody responded to my idea of Pike, hes projected to be a 2nd rounder at the earliest, if he falls to the 3rd round, would anyone take a gamble on him?
oh, and i did not realize you couldnt curse on here. I figured the audience was mostly adults, hence the F bombs. sorry kiddies, shouldnt be surfing the internet without adult supervision anyways.
i double wrap my rascal in order to punish the supermodels.
by sornypanafonic on Jan 18, 2010 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, don't know much about Pike but...
I know I’m not ready to draft a QB that early. If Warner retires and Leinart falls flat on his face then I’ll be ready to draft a QB in the first couple rounds but for now we’ve got much bigger needs. I’d be sick if we passed on a guy who could help our defense right now for an insurance policy at QB. Either way it’s a gamble but for now I’m gambling that Leinart can be an above average QB.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Boldin
I dont think Warner will retire because hes such a competitor, had an awesome year and i really think he recognizes the absolute talent we have with our wide receivers. he will pad those stats for the hall as well as gear up for another super bowl run.
as for the draft, i completely agree that we should concetrate on defense and maybe an O-lineman. But remember, if we do trade Boldin (i dont want this to happen, but honestly its going to, especially with Boldin having made Early into a carbon copy of himself), we should have at least a couple of extra draft picks.
If he falls to us in the 4th round, wishful thinking, I def think we should roll the dice on Pike.
i double wrap my rascal in order to punish the supermodels.
by sornypanafonic on Jan 20, 2010 12:17 AM MST up reply actions
if we get a couple of extra picks for Boldin (a 2nd and 4th as we're predicting)
I’d be ok with a QB in the fourth. By that time we’ll have used five picks to hopefully shore up OT, ILB, OLB, CB and one other BPA spot.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Sup HardHat
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I can't stand band-wagoner fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Boldin
Huge Fan. Fucking love this guy. Numero Uno Cardinal for me. Pay the man for his work (I realize hes a millionaire but you got Russell on the raiders getting paid more for nothing, heck we have leinhart). Bolding is a fucking monster and loath to see him go. I do like what I see in Early, dont get me wrong, but at the very least state how Boldin has taken the young receivers under his tutelage. This guy is awesome. He helped us while he was here and he will help us by getting us some badly needed high draft picks for defense when hes traded.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLDDDIIN!!!!
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by sornypanafonic on Jan 18, 2010 1:03 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
WELL welll well.... if warner retires then the niners r back on top babbbyy !!!!
u guys had a gud run right?? now dont expect any thing for the next 2 decades :) enjoy suckkkkers :)
Cutting McFadden only creates a bigger need for CB's
Michael Adams is terrible and Ralph Brown is over the hill. Toler may be ready for more playing time but cutting McFadden only increases the need to draft a CB early in the draft or sign another one in free agency. McFadden was really bad down the stretch and he’ll be overpaid next year but cutting him isn’t the answer. Keep him and try and improve the pass rush and add another young guy to the depth chart. Hopefully Toler and your new young guy are ready for significant snaps as you phase McFadden out.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Minority thinking
I realize I am one of the only people on the planet championing Adams, and I also realize he was beaten a lot recently. but if you compare McFadden and Adams side by side in coverage, you will see that whereas Adams makes plays on the ball and is often just a little off with his timing,
McFadden’s form is bad in every way. He doesn’t turn his body to make a play on the ball and is often 5 yards away from his man. Adams sticks to guys, and I stand by the guy. He is extremely athletic and a high motor. I haven’t seen anything but occasionally solid tackling by McFadden, in coverage he is as good as the Cowboys’ Gerald Sensabaugh (against Sidney Rice y’day, Rice was in the end zone with the ball and Sensabaugh didn’t even think the ball had been thrown in his direction)
Brown was never great, I think he is a dime a dozen.
Toler IMO can be inserted into the starting lineup and outplay McFadden immediately. Oh wait he already did that in the Saints game.
Now I will say that I don’t think the Cardinals WILL cut McFadden, but I am just saying if it were my decision I would have already.
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Adams sticks to guys
Literally. What’s the difference in giving up a 20 yard pass or picking up a 20 yard pass interference penalty? Adams is only around his guy because he’s molesting the receiver all the way down the field. In a perfect world both would be gone but from a talent standpoint, McFadden is still much better than Adams.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
seasoning
In a perfect world people would have patience and let a guy develop. Adams just needs seasoning. McFadden doesn’t have that excuse. There is a reason Adams gets Pi’s and McFadden doesn’t. McF isn’t close enough in his defense to get penalized. Adams just needs fine tuning, he is usually in position to be able to make a play, and that in and of itself displays better coverage skills.
Pi’s happen to the best in the league, so b/c someone gets them doesn’t necessarily reflect a negative. Darrelle Revis was flagged a couple of times Wildcard wkend. Wasn’t Charles Woodson flagged for P.i in our game?
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he's been in the league three seasons......how many years does he need?
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
what does that matter?
You said Adams needs seasoning and that in a perfect world we’d be patient. I’m asking you when he’ll become “seasoned?”
I’d have thought that three seasons in the league is awful close to becoming seasoned, but I’m asking how patient you are.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I think you are misunderstanding my point
what does it matter? It makes all the difference. Simply being on the fringes of the playing field is not real time game experience. Adams does not have a ton of experience, so it is ok to give him a little slack unless he does not improve from here on out IMO.
BMac has played in 67 games, and if I am not mistaken, was in the regular rotation in Pitt (i.e. integral to the secondary) for a couple/few years? Correct me if I am wrong.
Of Adams 28 games, he just became a regular in the Cards’ secondary in the last what, 5 or 6 games of this season?
So, based on that, I think Adams still has a chance to either step up, or not, but I don’t think its time to give up on him.
McFadden on the other hand I have already given up on in coverage. he is horrific.
Plus, haven’t you seen Adams jump? Dude has mad hops. There is almost always a place on a team for another athlete, and Adams has some exciting skills.
It is funny we are discussing this because Jerheme Urban is another example that is very similar. I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt, b/c I was pulling for him to get over the hump, but he just can’t seem to do it. A guy from a small school, with by most standards no business being in the pros, using his speed and size and has/had a lot of potential. But he has had IMO enough chances, and it is time to move on without him.
To me the only thing Urban is missing is mental. Had he been able to focus on that Saints play, that was an exciting positive play, but he wasn’t able to focus in order to pull the ball in tight, and that as we all know is not the first time that has happened.
So in other words, if Adams does not improve and continues to get beat, then yes, we don’t need him. But I don’t think he has had enough chances yet to say he can’t. Urban on the other hand has had enough chances, let some other team try and get him over the hump. Its a shame b/c he is so close to being a solid No.3 or 4 in this league. Dude is 6’3", probably displays great hands every practice, and is a track athlete. not only that, but inexpensive.
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I get what you're saying and I understand the mindset of pulling for the little guy
but I don’t see anything in Adams’ game that suggests he’s ever going to be even a decent nickel corner. What is his vertical by the way b/c I can’t find it anywhere?
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I am not sure either
I looked for it too! hahahaha….I am just going on real time, and who knows maybe his specs aren’t eye-popping, but it sure has looked like he can fly a couple of times.
We can’t agree on everything…
Btw lets call the DRC tackle debate a draw. A couple weeks back I read where Gil Brandt wrote that DRC was a “good tackler”…pat on the back for me….but by the time I was about to come bragging about it (hahaha), DRC whiffed on a few tackles in the postseason, and looked just as you said, scared to make contact…pat on your back for that.
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Hopefully Toler and your new young guy are ready for significant snaps as you phase McFadden out.
Bez, please tell me I’m reading too much into this. The way you said “your new young guy” sounds as if you weren’t one of us anymore. Say it ain’t so Bez! Say it ain’t so!
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yea just reading too much into it
About halfway up the page I say:
We don’t have that pass rush yet and McFadden got exposed.Just flip-flopping while a million thoughts run through my head.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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