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What Are Your Thoughts On The NFL's New Stance On Head Shots And "Devastating Hits"?

PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 17:  DeSean Jackson #10 of the Philadelphia Eagles is laid out by Dunta Robinson #23 of the Atlanta Falcons during their game at Lincoln Financial Field on October 17 2010 in Philadelphia Pennsylvania.  Both players were injured on the play and had to be helped off the field.  (Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images)

The big news in the NFL right now is the talk about fining and suspending people who deliver helmet to helmet hits in games, along with people who deliver "devastating hits". This was all spurred by three hits from Sunday (and all three of the people who delivered the shots were fined today). The first one was a hit by Dunta Robinson on Desean Jackson that knocked out both of them for a few minutes, and they both suffered a concussion from the hit that will probably keep both of them out of their next games. The second one was a blatant helmet to helmet shot by Brandon Meriweather on Todd Heap. And the third was from when James Harrison hit Josh Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoi in the head on separate plays, although the hit on Massaquai was the one that resulted in the fine. Robinson and Meriweather had to pay up 50,000, and Harrison had to pay 75,000 because he has done this before, but none of them were suspended.

Following this, there was a ton of talk by all of the media people over what should happen. Some of these hits even made Rodney Harrison (someone who was accused of being one of the dirtiest players in the NFL) cringe, and his comments on the NBC pregame show last Sunday about how he was never scared of being fined, but after he was suspended it made him change his ways was one of the things that caused the NFL to make this decision.

A lot of players in the NFL are mad about this though, the most outspoken player I have seen so far is Chris Harris who is a Safety for the Chicago Bears (and his nickname is "The Hitman") who has been talking about this on Twitter for the last couple of days.

 

I'm all for player safety. This is a violent barbaric sport. You have a split second to make decisions when making a hit, as a DB my job is

To make the play or cause a fumble. U can't half [way] a tackle n this league bc players like adrien peterson,josh cribbs,aquan boldin will


Break those tackles. Its a fine line. That's part of the sport n u knew that when u signed that contract to play football.


I guarantee u Dick Butkus,Mike Singletary, Richard Dent,Doug Plank,Otis Wilson didn't think twice when hittin someone but NFL want us to now


No one intentionally tries to hit illegally (helmet to helmet) its just part of the game. The reason u see a lot of guys getting hurt now as


Opposed to back n the day is bc its a diff breed of athletes now. Guys r a lot stronger and faster which creates higher impact hits.


Ur not supposed to be 250lbs n be able to run a 4.3 but that's what ur dealing with that u didn't have back n the day therefore the velocity


And impact these guys are hitting with is unbelievable and of course dangerous. Its a damn Gladiator mentality. #sorry


I feel the NFL is singling out defensive players. What about the running backs who are running towards me then lower their heads at contact


Will they get suspended as well?


Think about the Brandon Jacobs n Marion Barbers n Adrien Petersons. They r physical runners who lower their heads n try to run u over to get


That extra yard or first down. That's inviting helmet to helmet contact. There is no way u can get from it in this league ....point blank

My thoughts on this after the jump.

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When I look at this entire situation, I feel like the NFL is going overboard. I am all for trying to keep players from being hit in the head because I know how serious concussions are. We all remember when Kurt Warner got his concussion last season (I think it was the 3rd or 4th of his career) and how he was having light sensitivity issues with his eyes because of it, and you hear stories all the time from players who have had concussions and how they still feel the effects from it. I'm sure that most of us can agree that they should fine ways to protect players from that, and they should keep improving the helmets to players are better protected from headshots.

But this entire "Devastating Hits" thing... It makes no sense. The NFL markets itself on big hits, they are even selling the picture of the James Harrison hit. And they don't even say what constitutes a devastating hit. Watch the Punt Return for a Touchdown that Devin Hester had against the Seahawks on Sunday. On that play, Earl Bennett drilled Jon Ryan (you can see it around the 40 second mark of this video), and it took him a while to get up after that. Is that a "devastating hit"? Or is it just a good block? Or you can look at the hit on Warner by Bobby McCray against the Saints in the playoffs last year (I won't post the video, because we have all seen it enough), that was considered to be a legal hit, but now would that be considered a devastating hit and would he get fined for it?

It seems to me like all this will do is make the defensive players have to think too much when they are trying to tackle someone. They are changing the game, and the people won't be allowed to play the way that they were taught to play since they were in Pop Warner. And even with these new rules, players won't have the time to react because of how fast the game is played. I don't think that most of these devastating hits were intentional, and the only one that I thought was a dirty hit from the four that I mentioned at the start of this post was the one by Meriweather on Heap because you can tell that he intentionally went for the head. With the Robinson play which was the most talked about, I think that was a legal hit. Robinson hit him around the shoulder, then his head went up into Jackson's chin. As for the Harrison ones, I think that he can be a dirty player, but his shots were just normal plays. The one on Massaquoi only happened because he bobbled the catch and he was trying to adjust so he could make the catch when he was hit.

The only way I would support fining or suspending people for devastating hits is if they are intentionally trying to hurt someone. But with most of these plays, everything happens so fast that the defensive players can't react in time, and people will get hurt on some plays. Thats the way it is, and the only way you can stop this is if you just take all of the contact out of the NFL, but nobody wants to see that. The NFL would basically be like the Arena League but without all of the hits, and almost every game would have each team going over 40 or 50 points because the defensive guys would be afraid of being fined if they touched someone. All of these players who are being injured now also make you wonder why the NFL would even think about going to an 18 game schedule. It seems to me like that would just make all of this worse.

I am all for player safety, but the NFL is going too far with all of this. I'm fine with preventing head shots, but this devastating hit stuff is too much, and players are already limited in where they can hit people. That is part of why Fitz was injured in the Preseason, it seems like the only place you can hit a receiver now is in their legs, and sooner or later you won't be allowed to hit there either if some big name player goes down for the entire year because of an ACL injury after being whacked in the knee.

So, what does everyone else at RotB think? Am I alone in thinking the NFL has gone too far?

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How do you feel about the NFL planning on fining and suspending players who either give someone a helmet to helmet shot, or try to land "devastating hits"?
I like it, they need to protect the players.
38 votes
I don't like it, why don't they just put flags on everyone?
59 votes
I'm okay with this on head shots. But "devastating hits" sounds too vauge, I don't agree with them there.
101 votes

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They are also selling pictures of the Meriweather hit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/NFL-com-selling-pictures-of-Harrison-and-Meriwea?urn=nfl-278368

Hypocrisy…

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by JoeCB1991 on Oct 20, 2010 12:25 AM MDT reply actions  

the hits

this week were dirty, I thought. Maybe not the Dunta one as much, but the other one’s were dirty.

I think the bigger issue is how good the equipment is now. You can feel indestructible with how advanced gear is now.

I’m also not a fan of guys not buttoning up their helmets or playing without mouthpieces. Except for extremely rare occasions, a helmet should never come off of your head on a hit.

by KDean75 on Oct 20, 2010 7:10 AM MDT reply actions  

Maybe they should move back...

… to leather helmets. I’m only half joking. Players seem to feel it’s okay to lead with their head and maybe this (or something similar but modern) would change that. Football helmets should protect, but don’t need to be a weapon. I heard somebody talk about adding foam to the inside and outside of the helmet, but the end result sounds like it would make all players into bobble-heads.

I agree that the devastating hits is too generic. Some of the appeal of the NFL is that it’s a contact sport, but it doesn’t have to came at the expense of the players (no matter how much they get paid). Enforce the rules about the hits to the head (suspensions) and hopefully things improve.

by psknapp on Oct 20, 2010 7:57 AM MDT reply actions  

I voted for "I like it"

But I sort of agree with the third option. They definitley need to do something about the head injuries. About the other injuries, maybe they could make all the players go through a session on how to tackle again or something. I know it sounds dumb, but it’s worth a try. Maybe some of them have forgotten how to tackle cleanly.

Was this ever a problem back in, like, the 1940’s? If not, then I don’t see why it’s happening now.

by Skii on Oct 20, 2010 8:18 AM MDT reply actions  

an option that I haven't heard yet............

One option I think the league could and maybe should consider is mandating wrap tackles.

I myself am an active rugby player here in the US and have had a couple of concussions myself over the years and the new research done by the NFL and others into the devastating effects of concussions should be taken very seriously. Now rugby is a very misunderstood sport here in the US and while I’m not going to sit here and say it’s not violent sport I will argue that it is a safer violence. Rugby has a much higher incidence of what I’ll call superficial injuries (i.e. broken fingers, noses, gashes to the head, teeth knocked out) but a much lower incidence of major trauma such as blown out knees, seperated shoulders, broken legs and arms and I’ll throw concussions into the group as well. The reason for this is because in rugby you must wrap tackle or it is a penalty, in other words you must go to the ground with a player you are not allowed to just launch yourself at someone. Rugby is a game of impact and hits but football is much more a game of collisions. Granted we don’t wear helmets or pads in rugby and that alone makes you hit people differently due to the fact that you will likely injury yourself just as badly as the person you hit.

I love a good hit/collision as much as any other football fan out there and I don’t think changing players helmets or having them not wear a helmet at all (as suggested on some other sites) is the answer either. With wrap tackles you can still deliver the big hits we all love but it is done in a much safer manner for both players. On another note how many times have you seen a defender just launch a shoulder into an offensive player and not bring him down? So maybe penalize a defender for a no wrap tackle/hit/collision and award the other team 10-15 yards from spot of foul. Just an alternative suggestion.

by myotherrideisyourmom on Oct 20, 2010 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Merriweather

Merriweather’s hit on Todd Heap was as dirty as it gets. He only hit him with his head and you could see him lower his head into Heap as he came down. He also did this same thing on a touchdown pass to Heap earlier in the game but just barely missed the helmet to helmet collision. I coach my son’s football team and I have taken players out of games and had them run laps when they do that in practice. It’s unsafe for them and the other players.
 I thought the Dunta Robinson hit was more on the legal side. Although it was a devastating hit, those are part of the game. If you run over the middle you are gonna take shots like that sometimes. That’s why these guys make so much money.
I didn’t see the Harrison hits but he has done things like that in the past.

by billydacardsfan on Oct 20, 2010 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Fitz's knee would still be %100

if it wasn’t for launching … I think they have to suspend guys or it won’t stop, and the comish’s office failed miserably this weekend by only fining the players

by quid pro quo on Oct 20, 2010 9:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Devastating hits is way too vague. It’d be like a penalty for playing too hard. Helmet to helmet deserves a suspension though.

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by Red Reign on Oct 20, 2010 9:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Agree with the third option.

I totally disagree with the fine to Dunta Robinson he led with his shoulder all the way and hit him square in the chest. Robinsons helmet may have grazed the bottom of jacksons face mask but definitely not helmet to helmet.

by BIGRED CARDINAL on Oct 20, 2010 10:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Schlereth just went off on it too

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5706315

He was talking about this eliminating contact, and how the NFL sells “greatest hits” DVDs. He said that the NFL uses these big hits to draw people in to watch it too.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Oct 20, 2010 11:06 AM MDT reply actions  

If the NFL wants to avoid helmet to helmet hits

then tackling above the stomach (chest) should be illegal. Like Dunta’s tackle on Jackson, he hit him so hard in the chest it forced Jackson head to move forward and collide with Dunta’s helmet which was sliding upwards. These type of tackles are common in football and make helmet to helmet (or helmet to chin) collisions inevitable.

by CanadianCard on Oct 20, 2010 1:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I'll buy the league some flags

Pretty soon its gonna be FIFA out there with players fucking injuries to sell calls…

by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 21, 2010 12:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I went with option #1

Let’s face it. Rules that are created spontaneously are just cover-ups. They are basically something that seems official but there’s always a loophole so that it’s up to the “top people” to “interpret” the situation. Basically, no matter what the rule says, the NFL will try punish people it subjectively thinks broke the rules. I want to protect the players, and it looks like the NFL has good intentions.

by KholdStare88 on Oct 21, 2010 3:16 PM MDT reply actions  

I think it was Greg Toller, who never left his feet, never moved his head just put out a forearm and the pansy ass receiver crumpled like a beer can against a drunken frat boys forehead, and got called for a personal foul. Many times you see a defender pursuing the ball carrier the defense commits and the ball carries trys to juke and elude, leading to helmet to helmet contact. A defensive player could get suspended for incidental contact when both players are doing their jobs. Whats next, flag football? Nerf Football? Should the players and the cheerleaders trade uniforms?

Roger likes changing the rules, and making shit up as he goes killing the game I have loved my whole life. You know if they can’t figure out the labor situation and bang out an agreement without a labor stoppage, I might be done.

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Oct 22, 2010 1:25 PM MDT reply actions  

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