Oh Warner, Warner. Where For Art Thou Warner?
by hevchv on Oct 31, 2010 7:26 PM MDT
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Definitely not in the West. The NFC West that is. At this point I just don't know what else to do. Is it bad that I no longer get upset that we lose. I mean, I felt so good about our QB situation coming into the year. Matt was gone and we just needed someone to manage the game while our backs did their thing. Well unforunately, starting almost every game from behind leads to increased passing. This is obviously not our strong suit. Max is proving all the non Kool Aid drinkers right. He is not an NFL QB. Derek can't find enough confidence to be a decent QB again. And Skelton hasn't been given his opportunity to fail just yet. Don't confuse this rant with someone giving up on the Cardinals. I have not lost faith in our team, or Whiz for that matter. But I have lost faith in QB situation. And I'm not the only one. Although Fitz will never admit it, he throws his hands up in frustration a lot more than he ever has. Is there a solution to our QB problem? Does it lie in our organization? Or do we need to scour the cast-offs of the other teams? What are your thoughts?
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Havent seen you in a while
Welcome back. Still going to do the weekly game recap thing that you did after week 1?
The entire QB situation is a huge mess right now. I’d still go with Hall and see how he develops, he looked good at the start of the game, the 1st pick wasn’t on him, but the 2nd was just a horrible decision.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Thanks.
I’m almost officially back. I got promoted a few weeks ago and had to do a lot of house cleaning. Been putting in like 80+ hours a week plus I had a regional meeting a few weeks ago. I have been so out of the loop. I am committing that I will be more involved from here on out. I have been keeping track on my phone and you have been pulling a lot of my weight. Thanks again.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Let me give you the ROTB recap
Week 1: We won!
Week 2: God dang it.
Week 3: We won!
Week 4: God dang it.
Week 5: We just beat the Defending Super Bowl Champions!
Week 6: Bye week, and I’m feeling so confident!
Week 7: God dang it.
Week 8: See ya’ll at the Draft
That pretty much sums it all.
I will still hold out hope till we are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Then I will really rant.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Not sure that's true at all...
most people were scared as heck after that Oakland win. And I for one was concerned at just squeaking out a win in St Louis. We haven’t looked good in the wins, and even worse in the losses.
Defensively, yeah
On offense? Nope.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Oct 31, 2010 8:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll still be watching every Sunday ... it's what fans do
stick by their team when they suck
lots of football to be played, and this team has time to improve … and whats more in a soft NFC west we still have a chance at an extra game
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
+1000
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I agree..
but how things are going I am going to need a triple byepass surgery at the end of the season due to all the crap this team puts me through haha
by BIGRED CARDINAL on Nov 1, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Wrong!
Do not be a fool! If your team plays well and loses because of some bad breaks, ok, stand by them.
If, however, the play calling is preventing wins on a regular basis, it is not worth the heartache. If it occurs due to ineptitude or by design to pile up loses, does not matter. Life is too short.
I have a feeling that the Cardinals organization will be investigated for possibly throwing games. It has happened before and it very well may be happening again, right here in the desert.
Do not follow along and support a team blindly. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck there is a good chance it is a duck. In the same vein, if it looks like games are being thrown, if similar plays are called that kill drives and lose games over and over again and an effective running game is shelved in favor of a non-existant passing attack, it very well may be a case of losing by design.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Although with Hall and DA
You know what you are going to get from DA, some good throws, and some awful ones.
With Hall, there is the potential that he can be good.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
But we shouldn't rush him
He has a ton of potential, but right now, it seems that we’ve rushed him when he’s not ready.
"it seems that we’ve rushed him when he’s not ready."
I’d also direct that at all of the people voting for Skelton…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Can someone point out the potential ...
I have yet to see anything from Hall that would lead me to believe he’s ready
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
He made some nice throws
Like the one where he avoided the sack and got the pass off to Fitz for a first down.
He has shown that he can make some good plays, but he is just making too many of the rookie bonehead mistakes.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Potential....???
Against the Saints he made some nice touch passes that when contrasted with Anderson’s full throttle down your throat all the time style looked quite good. He has since shown nothing. After three games I believe it’s fair to say that Jawarski was right. I’ve seen enough.
An overview of our QB's
Derek Anderson has had too many chances. As great as he plays, his mistakes are costing us games.
Max Hall is throwing way too many interceptions. We’re ruining him by starting his this early in his career.
John Skelton will do even worse than Derek Anderson and Max Hall. The minute he throws a bad pass, everyone asking for him to start will jump off his bandwagon quicker than Kurt Warner’s dancing feet.
The option I’d go with: Pickup a FA QB and try to rally around him. The 49ers did it this week, and he did decent. It’ll give the team something to believe in. At least for a week.
The 49ers had Troy Smith since the end of the Preseason
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Oh, my bad
Then I don’t know what to do. All I’ve got is pickup someone and hope he’ll turn out to be a Kurt Warner kind of story. I don’t know.
well I reeeealy doubt that we will kind another Warner...
but at this point I would love to see the Cardinal pick ANYONE else to try to do a better job at QB. I think with any decent QB we would be easily on first place on our division. If we struck gold it would be great but if nothing else we could have hope for at least one more week.
By the way, I'm pretty sure John Skelton could do worse
I’m not saying he’s a bad QB, but he’s not ready. Like I’ve been saying, we’d ruin his career, starting him when he’s not ready. I mean, do you really think that if Max Hall only threw his 1st Career TD in his 3rd Start, John Skelton can throw one any sooner?
peyton manning, joe flacco, mark sanchez, matt ryan, all seem to be doin fine. And BRADFORD
if you got it, you got it.
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 1, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
But the only people that think Skelton has it right now are Cardinal fans.
I don’t think you’ll find one person in the business that agrees with them.
While I know its a dream...
Indy will NEVER let him go. They’d start him if he had no legs and half an arm.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
by SGM on Nov 1, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Just wondering
Do you think he’s married? Does he have a girlfriend? Sorry, I dosed off there for a second.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Whisenhunt did a number of things badly
-Pulling Max Hall from the game
-Letting Derek Anderson pass instead of trying to secure the game with the run
-Not trying to take time off the clock in the 4th quarter when they only needed a FG to tie it…they went for the knockout blow right away with 3 minute left and it was picked off.
-And…I’ll say it once again…letting Derek Anderson play to begin with.
+1
I’m sure I wasn’t the only one seeing something decent come out of Anderson in that first little while he was in there. My imagination started to rev up and I was imagining a Derek Anderson rebirth, too bad it was my blind hope that was in charge of my imagination.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
by SGM on Nov 1, 2010 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
DA was better that Hall yesterday
and he was the right play
But I totally agree about the 4th quarter … terrible call and terrible job by DA throwing into coverage … I really don’t understand why we didn’t just grind it out, maybe take one shot at the end-zone, and tie it up … totally baffling to me
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Imagine
What if someone, let’s say a head coach, wanted his team to lose so he ends up with a high draft pick, how would he do it? He would have to get a couple of wins to prove he has game, but not so many as to make the playoffs. He would call plays that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Sound familiar? Am I just a disgruntled fan and Whiz hater? I don’t think I am. I did not start watching the NFL last Sunday.
My first Superbowl was the NFL’s first superbowl also. I loved the scrappy AFL who refused to close up shop because the NFL wanted to deny them access to atheletes that they had cast off or went undrafted. The AFL won in court and then eventually won on the field.
As a diehard fan and official cranky old geezer, I hate manipulaters who will throw everyone under the bus to achieve personal glory. I do not like the feeling of big tires rolling over my bag of bones. I am an NFL fan, the most important part of any franchise. Don’t take me or all the other fans for fools. Start calling games like you are serious about winning or expect a rebellion from the stands. This season has been mis handled to a scale unpresidented. The worst I have ever seen! Things like this do not happen by accident. This appears to be self inflicted. Take off your rose colored glasses when it comes to “the Whiz”. Now what do you see?
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 1, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I can’t blame whiz for Hall’s two pick 6’ers … even if Billick thinks Josh Hall threw them
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
So it's conspiracy theories now?
Whiz is tanking the season on purpose to get a high draft pick? That’s absurd. He and Graves botched the quarterback situation this year colossally. Isn’t that bad enough? Whisenhunt said all off season that he wasn’t changing the offense. He hasn’t changed the offense. There is no conspiracy. There is inept play from the quarterback. The Cardinals would have walked over the Bucs if not for two picks bound for the endzone thrown by a rookie QB that stared down his receivers and put little velocity on his passes.
Who then?
Who called for passes, over the middlle, into tight coverage in the Red Zone, to be made by two QBs having problems with accuracy? Not the quarterbacks! This is after three similar plays were called that ended up as INTs and 21 points for the Bucks. It makes no damn sense especially when you consider that the running had been effective and the preferred option to run out the clock and score at least 3 points to tie the game!
The other possibility, coach Whiz is totally stupid, I don’t think so.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
no
His mistake was starting Hall. That cost two touchdowns on returned interceptions. People expect perfection from DA for some reason. He performed well overall on Sunday and at least gives you a chance. I believe the Cards would have won this game with DA from the start. Billick, who has been around a long time and knows the game of football, keeps making the point that DA is the clear choice right now and there is a noticable difference in how the team performs when he is in there. Enough with the Hall experiment until the Cards are completely out of contention.
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Tyler Palko
Rhett Bomar
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Nate Davis
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Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Exactly
Seems like we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. All we can do is hope someone cuts a decent QB and we can claim him.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
What makes it worse
Is that the trade deadline is done. So we can’t even trade for a decent-good QB.
Jaws was absolute in his prognosis that Max is not an NFL QB.
Although Max does have potential, he has too many issues that were pointed out. Sucks when he’s right.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
I think we need to start looking at the QB situation in terms of next year....
heresy I know, but we’re not likely to solve it halfway through the year. In terms of the draft, who knows where we’ll end up and are there any QBs who will be able to step in and perform as a rookie?
McNabb isn’t signed past this year. His benching this week couldn’t have amused him. He hasn’t played well this year – but I’d be inclined to give him a pass as he generally played pretty good with the Eagles and the Redskins aren’t exactly loaded with offensive talent. Not a long term solution, but I think he’s got a few good years left in him.
I'd kill for a QB with McNabb's #s right now
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Oct 31, 2010 8:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Before everyone goes gaga over McNabb it dont look like he'd be much
of an improvement over what we have now. Some reading for the dreamers………………………..
There is not a lot of offensive weapons for him in Washington to succeed, but in AZ he will
And I’m pretty sure he’s disgruntled and just needs a new place in a new division. He should be here next year.
Decrepid
Too damn old and too many miles. A waste of money and time to try and shock his career back to life in a new system. Let him enjoy his last couple of years with deminishing responsibilities. Don’t saddle this guy with trying to carry a team to the playoff.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I waited seven months to watch football
I counted down the days till the Draft. After the Draft, I counted down the days till Free Agency opened up. After that, I counted down the days to Training Camp. After that, I counted down the days till Pre-season. I was psyched when Pre-season started. I didn’t care that everyone said Pre-season doesn’t matter. I was still excited to finally get to watch football again. Then, I was even more excited when the Regular Season started.
I waited a long time to watch the Cardinals play again. I don’t want to have to wait for the Draft again. Forget the Draft, what about now? We’re not even half way through the season, and we’re already thinking about who to Draft? If we don’t make the Playoffs, then I’ll be one of the first ones to talk about who we should pickup, but right now, I expect nothing less than success from Coach Whiz and the Cardinals.
I waited for seven months to watch these games. I’m not letting that go for waste.
At the same time
I’m not sure we should be hoping that we somehow stumble into the playoffs by lucking out a bunch more wins. The way the team is set up now, we’d be one-and-done. That will get us a low draft pick, when we’ll need all the help we can get to get this team back on track. I’m definitely not saying we should tank the rest of the season, I just wish that the coaching staff would try to develop our strengths so that when they have the QB situation figured out, everything else is ready to fall into place. But what do I know? I’m just a worried fan.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
by SGM on Nov 1, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
They need to worry about one game at a time.
If they find the playoffs great. Hard to have any expectation of it. But it’s still not like the Rams or Seahawks are consistant either.
I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this
if you were paying any attention, you had to know we were going to struggle this year …
And its time someone told you the truth … and as a lifetime Vikes fan and a fan of the Cards since they moved to AZ in ‘88, I feel it’s my obligation
The last two years were a fluke, and we should be grateful for the ride … sadly, Pain and heartbreak are the norm for guys like us, and you will eventually get used to it
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Even though we are 3-4…I think our season is over. We only one game that was convincing and others were pretty lucky. Our coaches suck, QBs suck, defense never pulls through when we need them the most and we never learn from our mistakes. We are a turnover machine. I say we stick in Skelton and let him go through the growing pains. Skelton seems to have all the tools just needs experience.
WoW, most of you guys suck as fans
Darnell Docket said " The only thing bad about today is that we cant go 13-3" This is the approach that we should take. Its hard to see the Cards lose after a comeback like that.
I seen solutions in the play calling that wouldn’t have let DA get a pick inside the 20. And thats a positive cause it means we can win with this team if DA starts and gives optimism that is DA start that whole game maybe we could have won, or maybe if beanie had that block we would have one less pick 6 or maybe if didnt hurdle and mess his back up we would have ran more.
12-4 is still a chance along with,11-5,10-6, and 9-7 records that can take us to the playoffs, maybe even 8-8 though i find funny.
Ya your gonna find that the Cardinals have lots of chicken littles for fans
Yes the losses are tough to watch and the wins have been ugly. But I will watch this team win the division title while wearing my rosey glasses and sipping my red Cardinal koolaid
It ain't happening!
Winning the NFC West is not part of the grand plan. I don’t care what color glasses you wear. I would suggest that you smoke a couple of joints and down a half pint of Jonnie Walker Red prior to the start of Cardinals games. They will still lose but you will not be burdoned with the memories.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm depressed
I really expected an 11 or 12 win season this year.
The day of the 3rd preseason game, I told my wife, “Whiz knows what he’s doing. He’s the best coach we’ve ever had. He took us to the Superbowl”. I thought he was just trying to fire up Leinart. The day after the 4th preseason game, I thought he was going to say Leinart is our starter and I was just trying to get DA acclimated to running our offense.
When he named DA the starter and then released Leinart, I was afraid that every game would be scary. I reduced my expectations to 9 or 10 wins, but still…a division tittle.
After the loss to Atlanta, I thought, we can’t continue with DA. He’s no good. After we “beat” Oakland, I thought, oh oh—we can’t continue with DA. He’s no good. When we lost to SD, I thought—OK maybe Hall will be able to just keep us in games and Beanie and Hightower can run and defense can keep games close. When we beat NO, I thought, Hey—Hall kept us close and our defense made some plays and we won despite the really stupid coaching towards the end of that game. Last weeks loss to Seattle could be written up to a rookie QB, 1st game on the road, wet ball, tough crowd, shit happens.
Today’s start for Hall was going well. He had a nice TD drive. He got hit on the 1st Pick. Then he made a horrible throw for the 2nd pick. He shouldn’t have been benched. Yes, he fucked up. But we already know..DA SUCKS! WE CANNOT WIN WITH HIM!!!
I don’t know what Whiz is seeing. He screwed up, benching and dropping Leinart. He screwed up clock management and play calling in the win against the Saints. He screwed up play calling today. AND HE"S SCREWING UP WITH THE ROTATING QB’s.
I’m thinking maybe AZ_RETIREE might not be wrong. I’m not ready to call for his firing but I’m getting there.
After the game someone posted—SAME OLD CARDS. I responded with—After the Superbowl run and consecutive division tittles..I’m spoiled. I don’t want the same old Cards. I want to win.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Oct 31, 2010 10:00 PM MDT reply actions
DA play good today
I blame Whiz for not taking notice of the weakness you QB have, no matter how well he was doing, which he was.
he did not play good today
the 1st pick wasn’t his fault. It hit of LSH. The 2nd pick was a GAME LOSER. That was the worst throw I’ve ever seen. FItz was double covered, high and low. There was nowhere to go with the ball and he tried to throw it through the defender to get it in there after satrring Fitz down so the defense knew it was coming.
Another throw, he missed a wide open RB in the flat and threw to Ducet over the middle for a 3 yard gain. The throw (from no more than7 yards away from the receiver) was so hard that it bounced off of Ducet’s chest and he had to scramble to make the catch or it would have been picked too. He missed Breaston on a seem throw. (it was a line drive instead of a floater) when he was behind the defense. He has no touch. And too often he tries to to throw it through the “invisible wall” that’s between him and the receiver.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Oct 31, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
I want to win too. But what we need to do is name a starting QB, and stick with him. I don’t know what to say about pulling Max Hall. He threw two interceptions, but that probably killed a lot of his confidence.
Who cares?
“Let’s chug on over to Namby Pamby land and see if we can find you some self confidence, you jackwagon!”
Are these professional NFL players over the age of 25? Pull their paychecks and send them out the door if it comes down to feeling good about oneself. I would be much more impressed if either Hall or Anderson refused to throw passes into coverage and checked off at the line in favor of a running play. If these guys want to play with the big boys they must be responsible for accepting or rejecting plays called from the sidelines. An NFL QB always has that option.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
They Dropped the Ball!
Matt may not have been the answer, but he would have been better than what we have now. Should have played the year with Matt and DA and addressed the QB situation in the offseason. Who evers call this was dropped the ball. You dont fire the most important piece to the offence at the end of pre-season. This was just plain stupid. It is not fair to the fans or the players. No way can Fitz have been thinking he had Skelton or Hall to throw him the ball, yea right. DA is hit or miss and I think it was a miss, big time.
Leinart is on the move!
Word out of Houston is Matt leinart is on the cusp of taking over the #2 spot behind Matt Schaub according to players and coaches alike.
The Texans franchise have been very impressed with Leinart on and off the field and are expected to re-sign him.
Look for big things out of Leinart if he gets an opportunity to take snaps and preserve a win or create a come-from-behind win.
Moving to the Texans could be the best thing to happen to Leinart in his entire life, both personally and professionally.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Skelton should not play in any games this year unless this winds up being a 3-13 or 4-12 year.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
+1
We need to make a major move this off season. Sign Vick or McNabb. We need a PROVEN veteran who can lead our team for a couple of years to allow time for either Skelton or Hall to develop.
Our team is actually very good but the way the offense has played this year has brought them all down. Our defense was dominating the first 2 TB possessions but lost momentum when Hall thrrew the first pick-6. The second took all of the life out of them. It’s tough to try to stay amped up and play well to stop an offense and then have your own offense hand the other team 14 points. We have a very strong team. The last 2 games have solidified that truth for me. I think we would be a top tier team with a solid QB. I have been very impressed with our D and our special teams continue to be one of the best in the league.
The QB situation is atrocious. I was very hopeful that Maximus would save the day, but let’s face it. He doesn’t yet have the skill set to lead this team. We need a solid QB to help make Fitz’s decision after the 2011 season a very easy one. Sign Vick or McNabb, we need to make our team complete.
by billydacardsfan on Nov 1, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
McNabb
just got interesting too … With Shanahan benching him
I don’t understand why we didn’t go after McNabb hardcore after we knew Warner was leaving
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
McNabb
I figured they were sticking with Leinart for the season when they didn’t make a move except to get Anderson. The whole transition of QBs this year has been about as smooth as falling down the stairs. I too don’t understand why they were not more aggressive about getting a quality QB.
Is it just me, but didn't Reid do something similar to McNabb
a couple of times?? Pulled him and benched him during games? At least twice? And if my memory is correct, why are 2 coaches doing similar things?
A little
Kinda late in the season if we are 3-14, don’t you think?
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't even know at this point
It doesn’t matter how much hope Anderson gives us, he’ll ALWAYS break our heart with an extremely untimely turnover.
Hall had a groove going there, and then made some terrible decisions. He doesn’t seem to be learning from his mistakes, which is disappointing. However, he’s still only three starts into his career.
One thing’s for sure: the carousel has to stop. Either go with Hall or go with Anderson. The flip-flopping is going to kill both of their confidences.
I guess I still say to go with Hall. He still has potential, whereas we know the crap-bag which is Derek Anderson.
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by Justin Burning on Oct 31, 2010 11:19 PM MDT reply actions
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Simple
Put Anderson in the game as starter, do not call any pass plays. Tell the offense that it is up to them to run us to victory. Let Anderson carry the ball for 3rd and short or even 4th and short situations. Keep two running backs in the backfield to take handoffs, block or turn reverses. Let Fitzgerald know that until the Cards can secure an NFL QB with a better than 100 QB Rating he can expect to be used mostly as a decoy. This is now officially a grind it out football team. We do not have a passing attack, now stop spraying the ball all over the middle of field and the turnovers will stop. if the HC insists on pushing the passing game shame on him!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Max Hall Experiment Needs to END
Max Hall is not an NFL QB…the Cards did not find the next Drew Brees.
I pin this loss totally on the coaching. Rotoworld was reporting 3 yrs ago that ML was not a good mix w/ the Pittsburgh West crowd. The trigger on Matt should have been pulled when Kurt signed his last deal…trade Matt while there was still some chance at value. Then when Warner retired, which he aint’ backing out of because he has a happy marriage unlike Farve, work to get a decent QB to step in. This offseason a QB and Offensive Coordinator are items #1 and #2 to address on the needs list.
One good thing about all this: no more discussion about whether deserve the HOF. He does. First ballot, please
Taking my camera to the last few games
For pics of Fitz. If there the ‘11 season is a bust due to the CBA, I am laying money that Larry’s days as a Card are done.
I got some at a game I went to last year.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 1, 2010 8:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not here to rub it in...
but y’all need to start Hightower. He is much more productive than Wells. Fumbles or not. He had 2 fumbles in 1 game and only 1 more since then. While it’s not a good trait, it’s nothing worth benching him over. It would help whoever the QB is.
...the Seminole guy from the other site.
Really...
Those who wanted to pull the plug on Leinert, after two preseason games and a 100+ QB preseason rating…get in line behind Coach Whiz. Those that like Max, join in the back of the line. Now we have the dum…, no I won’t go that far.
- Bad decision to let Matt go, because Max Hall is the so called “Leader”. Give me QB skills over leadership any day.
- Max should have never started can you say “Deer in Headlights”.
- Take the 3 points before half. Keep the momentum, especially when you have QB’s with lack of execution.
- 2 minutes left, run the ball, run the clock against the 30th ranked run defense. You don’t want to score to early to let the other team drive the ball to win and you don’t want to force the ball (in this case INT).
The only hope we have is we play in the NFC West.
Hmmm McNabb or Romo, God help us.
Who is the best QB coming out of college that may fall in the 8-20 first round range.
by Dingers Roadkill on Nov 1, 2010 8:55 AM MDT reply actions
I've got moxy and a good work ethic
maybe Whisenhunt will give me a shot at qb against the Vikings.
Unfortunately the two biggest areas of weakness for the Cardinals are the two positions where it is most important to be strong.
1. Quarterback
2. Head Coach
The quarterback problem isn’t really something that can be easily fixed. Free agency and trades are a mixed bag that yield more Derek Andersons than Drew Brees. The draft is also a crapshoot, but comes with the undesirable aspect of needing to be horrible to land high placement. The Cardinals probably can’t sink too low this season with games remaining against the 49ers (2) 2-6, Cowboys 1-6, Broncos 2-6, and Panthers 1-6.
Bad planning over several years and a bad decision to exile Leinart (he may not have been the answer, but it’s hard to imagine he would have been worse than these clowns) have left the Cardinals out of options.
The coaching may be easier to remedy. The front office should dictate to Whisenhunt that he needs to hire an offensive coordinator (or do it for him) that will assume play calling responsibilities.
Cardinals opponents have passed 244 times (51.7%) and run 228 times (48.3%).
The Cardinals have passed 230 times (62%) and run 141 times (38%).
So Whisenhunt is throwing 62% of the time despite possibly having the worst quarterbacking in the league? No wonder he was throwing the ball in an obvious run situation when the Cardinals coughed up the game to the Bucs. That’s ridiculous.
Whisenhunt screwed up the qb competition fiasco. He made a mistake. There’s no use dwelling on the past (even though I’m a damn good dweller). I just question whether his arrogance and pride might cause him problems with similar situations in the future. The dynamic with Leinart wasn’t the first display of Whisenhunt’s “my way or the highway” approach to coaching.
I also wish Whisenhunt would just own up to his mistake. We all make mistakes, it’s not that big of a deal. It’s actually kind of embarrassing at this point. He’s like a little kid who’s been caught in a lie, but he won’t give up the ghost. No “Tell the Truth Mondays” here in Arizona I guess…..
Offseason shopping list -
1. QB (good luck)
2. Offensive Coordinator
by Jim Coughenour on Nov 1, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
it always happens
full panic mode after a loss.
our QB situation is a mess, but I think it was made worse by pulling Hall. if he is to be our starter, let him try to work through the ugliness. you can’t commit to a QB only if he plays well. not for undrafted rookies anyway. he may have thrown 4 INTs today if Whiz left him in, but he also could have thrown 2 more TDs.
I too got pretty hopeful as DA led the team back and was playing well. but it doesn’t appear he has it in him to get over the hump and become consistent and reliable.
I would look at QBs the caliber of Todd Bouman from the Jags or Chris Redman of the Falcons, if they can be found as FAs somewhere. get someone in here to compete with Hall and DA and Skelton. But as of now I still think Hall is the best option, I just wouldn’t yank him after poor play. if he is the warrior he is supposed to be, he can overcome negative play.
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
Warner
I see two options for Kurt Warner — after he wins the finishes with Dancing ….
(1) Join the Cards as QB coach.
(2) Apply for job as head coach of -———- Dallas Cowboys.
I don’t think he will play again — a la Favre.
Warner
I agree. The best way to turn around the Cardinal losses, put Kurt on the sidelines as a coach and use his knowledge to their best advantage. I think as a coach he would be the best weapon a team can have. Look what he did for Mark Bulger in St. Louis and what happened to Bulger after they let Warner go. It would be a shame for Kurt to walk away from football all together.
Warner was a finger pointer in the locker room
… it takes more than knowledge of the game to be a good coach
what would have been a good idea is signing Bulger when the Rams cut him
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
No way!
The Whiz would not take the chance of being overshadowed by Warner again. He has this season exactly where he wants it. In the dumper. Now, he will make his case that he is the only one smart enough to fix the mess he created.
He will not take credit for the mess, that is on the players, he just calls plays, he dosen’t execute them. Never mind the fact that a pass over the middle in the Red Zone is rarely a good idea, especially when it is the same play that has ended up as INTs in every game this season. It was thrown by Anderson and Hall with the same results every time it was tried. Whiz knows exactly what he is doing and he does not care who gets hurt, be it the fans, the players or the franchise. The only thing of value is Whiz’s move up the corporate ladder of the Arizona Cardinals. He is well on his way if no one calls him out. Excuse me a second:
“Hey Whiz, I see what you are doing and I’m going to tell everyone!”
Now I feel better. I just hope, I am not the only NFL fan out here that smells a rat. The stench is coming from the office of the Cardinals’ Head Coach.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 1, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I like the conspiracy theory about draft picks … now thats interesting
personally … I think we should start Fitz at QB, and run the ‘power’ wildcat with howlingbeantower
by quid pro quo on Nov 1, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Finally someone has called Whiz out for perpetuating his evil Machiavellian schemes right before our very eyes!
He’s in league with Cheney, the Bilderberg’s, NWO and Professor Chaos. Well I am putting my foot down, dammit! I am not taking this crap any longer. I have to go now and make some tin foil hats for my Comrades and myself if we are ever to fight this evil Whisenhunt regime.
Godspeed AZ Retiree, godspeed!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Thanks!
By the way, has anyone seen my meds? Did I take them? Hey wait a minute, I’m also missing three jellybeans and a nickle! Some one call the attendent!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Warner just might recommend the Areana League
On the Steven A Smith show last week he felt his time in the Arena League developed the traits that he is known for: quick release and accuracy in tight spaces.
Sounds familiar.
I have been suggesting putting both Hall and Anderson on the PUP list and bringing in the two best QBs in the Arena league. Offer them the Starter and Backup spots (they would jump at the chance to enter the NFL), who wins them would be determined on the field of play with alternating series. Let it be a publicity stunt and the fans would love it. Can you imagine the chatter from Fox NFL Sunday? Terry and Howie would have a field day while Jimmy and Michael would fail to see the logic or upside.
Much better than making us sit and watch the only two fruit we have, die on the tree.
I forgot, good job Whiz and great play calling. Who could have seen that last pick coming?
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Tyler Palko
Wasn’t he on our practice squad?
And isn’t he Larry Fitz’s RL friend?
I say give him a try it cant get any worse
there is no silver lining here at all...
….this bites, hopefully we just start running the ball and keep the QBs from screwing us…Dam you Anderson…you actually looked good for awhile then BAM the real Anderson came out…
I chose Hall
It actually doesn’t matter and I have no justifications for picking Hall anymore, but I like to see the guy play.
Interesting.
Kind of like midget wrestling.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 2, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I heard
Jeff George is sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring.
Couldn’t be worse?
Brian St. Pierre
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Nov 2, 2010 4:47 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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