It Is Time To End The Derek Anderson Experiment
After the entire Matt Leinart/Derek Anderson debacle during the Preseason, I made it clear that I thought Leinart should be the guy, but I would support Anderson unless he played like he did last season with the Browns instead of his Pro Bowl season in 2007. Lets just say there is no resemblance to the guy that went to the Pro Bowl in 2007 right now.
I was willing to give the guy a chance. We all know that he can do some impressive things, we saw it in 2007, and he actually played pretty well against the Cardinals in 2007 (even though he had 2 picks in that game, he had the Browns in the position to win that game, and if the final pass wasn't ruled to have been caught out of bounds by Kellen Winslow, the Browns would have won that game) during one of the games that Warner played with the giant brace on his left arm. And we were all told that he was the starter because he had the ability to get the ball downfield for big plays even though his accuracy was inconsistent.
But during the first 4 games, Anderson has missed easy throws, overthrown receivers that were wide open on deep routes (such as one that would have been a 40 yard Touchdown to Stephen Williams if it wasn't badly overthrown), and he has thrown some horrible Interceptions. Including two of them last Sunday, and one of them was inside of San Diego territory after a 22 yard Touchdown run by Tim Hightower was called back. The other one was a Pick 6 that resulted in Anderson being benched for Max Hall.
After this, I've had enough. Like I said, I was willing to give the guy a chance, but he has ruined that chance with his poor play. Anderson seems like he is likable enough as a person, but as a Quarterback he isn't playing well, and he had a Quarterback Rating that was worse than JaMarcus Russell last year (Anderson had a 42.1 QB rating, Russell had 50.0). Right now, he should be doing nothing except holding a clipboard on the bench and comparing beard maintenance tips with Coach Whiz.
A look at some stats, and some more thoughts on this situation after the jump...
I have mentioned this before, but when you look at Derek Anderson's stats, mainly in 2007, you can see that he got off to a very good start, but then around week 11 he sharply declined. Lets take a look at these numbers, and I'll also include his numbers from 08, 09, and this year with the Cardinals.
| Derek Anderson |
Attempts |
Completions |
Completion % |
Yards |
Touchdowns |
Interceptions |
Yards Per Attempt |
QB Rating |
| 2007: Week 1 through 10 |
292 |
164 |
56.1 |
2331 |
20 |
9 |
7.6 |
90.7 |
| 2007: Week 11 through 17 |
235 |
134 |
57.0 |
1556 |
9 |
10 |
6.6 |
72.2 |
(Against the Cardinals, Anderson was 21 of 41 for 304 yards, 2 Touchdowns, and 2 Picks with a QB rating of 71.6)
What I see here is that his Yards Per Attempt fell, his Quarterback Rating also dropped from 90.7 to 72.2. One thing this says to me is that around this time Anderson wasn't as much of an unknown as he was early in the year, and teams were learning how to defend against him. He also had four games with a QB Rating over 109 during the first stretch of the season, but over the rest of it his best was 96.5 against Houston while most of his other games were in the 70s and 80s during that time.
Now, lets look at the next 3 years.
| Derek Anderson |
Attempts |
Completions |
Completion % |
Yards |
Touchdowns |
Interceptions |
Yards Per Attempt |
QB Rating |
| 2008 |
283 |
142 |
50.2 |
1615 |
9 |
8 |
5.7 |
66.5 |
| 2009 |
182 |
81 |
44.5 |
888 |
3 |
10 |
4.9 |
42.1 |
| 2010 |
112 |
58 |
51.8 |
644 |
3 |
5 |
5.8 |
59.5 |
One thing you should also look at is that Anderson played in 8 games in 2009, and he has played in 4 this year. If you look at 2009, Anderson was handing the ball off a lot because they could not throw the ball at all with him in there. Anderson is also 30th in QB rating right now (out of 30 qualifying QBs on ESPN.com), he didn't qualify for being with the other QBs in 2009, but JaMarcus Russell was 32nd with 50.0, and Anderson had 42.1 so he would obviously be lower than that, and he was also 32nd (out of 32 QBs) in 2008.
This may be because of all of the talent was siphoned from Cleveland during 2008 and 2009, but he fell off the face of the earth during those two years. And I still stick with my theory that the rest of the NFL figured out the way he likes to play, and they learned how to defend against it. Look at what was done with Leinart during the Preseason, once other teams saw that he checked down a lot, they did nothing but blitz because they didn't fear his ability to beat the blitz. I think something similar to that happened with Derek Anderson, and his game fell apart.
I also think that there should be some questions leveled at the front office and the coaching staff for leaving us in this position. I still believe that Coach Whisenhunt and Rod Graves along with the rest of the staff have done a good job with this team, but if they knew Leinart wasn't the guy, why didn't they look for a better Quarterback during the offseason? Donovan McNabb is the big one, from what I have heard he would not mind playing in Arizona, he has a house in Arizona, and even though he has an issue with missing short passes he is a classy guy who doesn't throw a lot of picks and he could be effective in an offense with a downfield passing attack like the one Coach Whiz wants to use. He also has the mobility to help make up for the issues with the Offensive Line in pass protection. I did not like the idea of trading for McNabb during the offseason back when those rumors were around, but right now I wish they would have gone for him.
You also have people like Marc Bulger, Michael Vick, Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington, hell even Rex Grossman was available. Maybe someone could kidnap Kurt Warner during dance rehearsal and throw him on the field while he was still in his dancing clothes. Maybe Jake Plummer would be willing to come out of playing Handball in Idaho and give the Cardinals another year. Questions have to be asked about why there was no attempt to look for another Quarterback besides signing Derek Anderson before Leinart was dumped without at least giving him until the bye week to show if he could play or not before he was dumped.
And now, all the Cardinals have is Derek Anderson, and two rookies (Max Hall and John Skelton). One of them is a kid from Mesa who played at a pretty good program in BYU, but he isn't the prototypical size even though he does show some very promising qualities and he is apparently a bright kid who has a good grasp of the Playbook. The other one is a big 6'6" guy with a cannon for an arm, but he also played against weak competition at Fordham and he is very raw which means that he will require a couple of years to develop until he is ready to play in the NFL.
I was hoping that it wouldn't come to this. I knew that Derek Anderson had some issues when he came here, but I was hoping that most of his issues were from how bad the situation was in Cleveland over the last couple of years, and it sounded like QB Coach Chris Miller was doing a good job at fixing up some of his mechanical issues. But, it seems like nothing has changed with him since last year.
He still rifles short passes instead of putting some touch on them so they will actually be catchable, he still overthrows wide open receivers on deep routes, he still forces bad passes that get picked off. Nothing has changed. At least we have seen that he is a tough guy who can take some brutal hits that would knock out most Quarterbacks for the rest of the game, but being tough doesn't win games.
I will say that not all of his issues are on him. The Offensive Line has played like garbage over the first 4 games, the Cards have also been down early in a few games which made them get away from the running game and it forced Anderson to sling it around when (in my opinion) he needs a running game to be successful, and he also didn't get a lot of time in Training Camp throwing towards Larry Fitzgerald after his MCL injury in the first game of the Preseason (but that doesn't excuse some of the awful misses on balls thrown his way), Steve Breaston and Early Doucet have also gone down and they probably won't be back until after the Bye Week leaving 3 rookies (Stephen Williams, Max Komar, and Andre Roberts) as the only people behind Fitz. But looking back at Training Camp, Anderson played with the rookies a lot, and he should be able to connect with some of them better than he has over the first 4 weeks.
The way I look at it, Anderson's Pro Bowl year was a one time thing. People have learned how he plays, and they know how to defend against him. His accuracy issues are real, he is missing wide open receivers on easy short passes and deep routes that he was supposed to be able to hit. He has the toughness to be a Quarterback in the NFL, he has the arm strength, he has the Swagtangibles, but he does not have the accuracy.
It is time to move on and see what Max Hall can do. He showed some promise against the Chargers, and while he has some issues (he was sacked 6 times by the Chargers, and he only has average arm strength like Leinart does), but he also looks like he is more accurate than Derek Anderson is, and he is willing to throw the ball downfield.
Lets see what the kid can do. He can't be much worse than Anderson has been....
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Hall...
As you all may know I do not hate Anderson, although I’m starting to give up on him ever improving, and I think we have worse problems than the QB situation. I actually thought for quite a while about this poll, and now it’s obvious. We can’t beat our next opponent with Anderson. We probably can’t beat them with Hall either. But we know we can’t do anything with Anderson, so if this season is going to be used to train up Hall, better start now. Of course, even if Hall scores 5 TDs for us and our defense gives up 40+ points again, then it won’t matter, alluding to the “worse problems” that I mentioned.
Beanie?
If Hall does not show results in the post By-week game then go right to Skelton. If he is not ready for prime time after two starts go to the practice squad QB or QBs that missed the 53 man cut.
Arizona should keep changing QBs until one has the talent and intestinal fortitude to lead this 2010 Cardinals team. If a guy can not perform at QB with millions of dollars waiting for him if he succeeds, then he should be pulled after a couple of starts. Someone will be talented as well as hungry and step up to grab the prize for himself and his family. I beleive that is what motivated Warner in both St. Louis and Arizona. I think he lost his focus for awhile but decided that it was time to step up and provide for his family and their future.
We can go to the wild cat during any game the QB gets in trouble. Which will be every game if the coaching staff does not change the offensive design and play calling.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Flipflopping QBs like that is no way to lead a team
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
You've got to be kidding
Sometimes I can’t tell if your posts are serious or satirical. Pull a rookie QB after 2 starts in favor of the third string or a released QB? You do realize (or maybe you really don’t) that Troy Aikman went 0-11 in his rookie season with a 1:2 TD/INT ratio? Peyton Manning threw 28 INT’s his rookie year, and John Elway started his career at 4-6 with the same TD/INT ratio that Aikman did.
Not that I’m saying I expect Hall to be any of those guys, but one thing losing teams have in common is a merry-go-round at QB. Give him a fair chance, DA and Leinart had a handful of seasons each.
by Long Beach on Oct 5, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes these things have to be said.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
On te flip side what about Brede?
I just had a crazy thought, what if AZ retiree is Warner???
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
lol, I sure as hell hope not
would just ruin my image of him. A Christian, family man with that kind of hard on for Leinart just doesn’t get it done.
Very true about Brady, maybe he and Max are related?
Serious?
Serious as a heart attack! In case you have not noticed, the NFL season has begun. The pre-season is over. The time for giving QBs time to find their inner strengths and gain confidence is over. It is time for someone to step forward and play like a professional. Bradford did a pretty good job in his premier against the Cards and should have won that game. If Hall, with the pre-season experience under his belt and a full half of play, should be able to perform.
Whiz has been working with him and Anderson. If he does not know what is expected yet, replace him. Arizona does not have time to waste during the season to school a QB.
The off season and pre-season next year would be the proper time to bring Hall along if he falters. The Cardinals need wins this season!
I have trust in the capitalist system and know that somebody is eager to make some money by executing the offense. I am not saying dump Hall but rather put him on the shelf if he is not ready to lead and perform. The same with Skelton. I would rather see guys trying to prove their worth by earning it on the field. Putting the whole team in pre-season practice game mode and throwing this season away is not a good plan. Season ticket holders deserve better and so do the rest of us Red Bird fans.
It is up to the franchise to get serious about this season! Serious? Yes I’m serious, I want our team to succeed this year by doing whatever it takes. Necessesity is the mother of invention. We need some inventive thinking to shake things up and turn the season around.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Soooo ... no Beanie at QB then ... ?
LOL!! (I am being sarcastic)
All QB’s make bad reads and lose confidence, the difference is can they bounce back on the next play, and have a short memory … if Hall doesn’t play well I could see the Cards trading for a veteran backup before the end of the year
but what do I know? Maybe Whiz knows he has another year and he can afford to let a rookie make some mistakes
by quid pro quo on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Journeymen QB's never improve
which is why a change needs to be made. It’s not even about Hall it’s about anyone at the QB position that has the potential to learn and get better. Plus the Cards need to know what they have at the QB position before the offseason. Incompletions>Interceptions all day.
Definately
This Max Hall gamble is all reward, very little risk in this current situation
by Irishcardinal on Oct 5, 2010 3:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Risky business
It will be all reward if he steps up and takes control right away. If not, replace him with the next guy down the roster after a couple starts until we find “Mr. Right”.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
playoffs available
It only took Holmgren about a week of reviewing game film to know that DA is not an NFL QB. Cardinals should have known that and not put all their eggs in that basket. Problem is the Cards can win the division because everyone else sucks. So do you go with rookies or hope that DA can get you to 8 or 9 ugly wins and get to the playoffs.
I thought management sucked in Cleveland but who keeps DA and two rookies. The single worst off season move in the NFL. Matt Millen must be a team advisor.
I hate to say it but....
anyone BUT Anderson,Hall may or may not be the answer but we need to start finding out. Anderson is a good guy and I believe a team player,he just don’t seem to have it where it counts and that is throwing the ball where it can be caught(by our players)…Our O-line isn’t helping things either!
Oh thank the good lord,
we’re still talking about Leinart and trades we should/could have made.
Please, let’s re-hash the same arguments made during pre-season here in week 5 of the season. It’s so refreshing to hear the same shit again.
I said it elsewhere, I’ll say it again, besides absolute elite-level QB’s (Peyton, Brees, Rodgers), there is not a QB that could be successful with this line play.
by KDean75 on Oct 5, 2010 6:49 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
But there a lot of us on here that want to say a big “I told you so” to all of you that, for some crazy reason, thought that a journeyman QB that had accuracy problems was going to suddenly become an accurate passer, just because he was a Cardinal. DA sucks, plain and simple. Now, by having to go with a UFA at QB, that everyone loves because he’s a local boy, the white flag as pretty much been raised on the season. Thanks a lot.
Now the only thing left to do is pray that Max is as special as some of you like to think, and we can salvage this season.
I’m not a Hater (well OK, maybe where DA is concerned) just a realist (also where DA is concerned, he sucks)
I was wondering, "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger" and then it hit me.
straw man
arguments are worthless. Unless you can tell me what I’ve said, then your statements are worthless.
i should expand
Why in the hell would you want to say “I told you so” to your fellow Cards fan? To be an asshole? Why?
I don’t like Anderson, but I will back the coach that took us to the playoffs two years in a row and a Super Bowl. To think that you know more than him is laughable.
Name calling?
Please, make logical arguments but don’t hurl nasty names at other Cards fans simply because you don’t like their opinion.
Ask your buddy, the head coach, to please come up with some changes that will turn things around. It is on his shoulders after all.
FYI, if they were ahead of the curve on Anderson they deserve props for their insight, not nasty name calling.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Seriously, no one had any special insight, in regards to DA
Everyone knew all of the facts about him and this situation. Really this so called difference is that some where putting faith in the decison makers and others weren’t
by badmatty53 on Oct 5, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's multiple issues....
O-Line, Defense, QB, coaching preparation – there are your issues. They’ll continue to be discussed until they get resolved. So pretty much the whole team has issues right now!
The case can be made the QB position wasn’t managed well. Six weeks old, I know, but this is a legitimate issue to raise. Specifically, they knew what they had with Matt. And they probably thought they could ‘coach’ DA up…and then they thought (and this may still come to pass) that they have a couple of potential blue-chips in Hall and Skelton. I get the feeling, a trade on draft day was never in the planning, nor other than what’s been reported (Whitehurst), they didn’t really consider anyone. I’m not sure if that’s arrogance or stupidity – probably both. They could’ve and should’ve (oh my – using those words again – SOC memories!!) gone after someone..I don’t like continuing to bring this up, and I understand the need to ‘move on’ but we’re stuck, and the reason we’re stuck is the decisions that were made that got us to this point. So until we start moving, this is going to be discussed.
I don’t agree that only an elite QB could be successful. I think you can be successful by designing a game plan that takes into account the personnel and the skills of the players (ie: play action, roll-outs, screens, flats, bootlegs, etc). I don’t know why they thought they could plug DA in the Warner spot with the Warner offense, and be successful. That requires someone who knows how to make a quick decision. DA can’t do that. (in that respect, your elite QB analogy is correct). They should’ve designed the offense around what he could do, which seems to be minimal (I think they’ve been leaning this way the last 2 games – short dink passes). But I’m not going to defend the line at all. They suck and haven’t shown anything!!! Whether DA, Hall, or Skelton, the game plan needs to be designed with these guys in mind and the fact that up to this point, our line can’t block the Jr High team down the street!!
I think what is making this very frustrating for me is this is the first time I’m seeing a full-blown mistake by Whiz, with all the consequences associated with it. And of course, no one will say its a mistake. I know many would disagree and have a list of other mistakes Whiz has made. But this one is playing out right before our eyes and is so blatant, its frustrating.
I’m starting to think Whiz and the management knew this was a ‘reload’ year, and were hoping for the best…..and now we’re seeing the fruit of that labor….disappointing..
All I'm asking is why didn't they go for a move like that
When the only two QBs with any experience were Leinart (who Whiz didn’t want) and Anderson (who was inconsistent at best).
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Good questions!
I have the feeling that more and more fans are coming to the conclusion that the coaching and the decisions of the coaching staff are suspect. It is good to be objective and be honest about the results of their labor. Garbage in = garbage out. What kind of product has been delivered to us, the fans, to enjoy on the field? If I received a new suit and it began to unravel at the seams from the first time I wore it, believe me the tailor would hear complaints from me.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t get much out of your last post. Last I checked our opinions have no bearing on coaching decisions there for don’t think it’s a big deal to discussed things that “should have happened” these are just discussions. What would you like to talk about here????
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t get much out of your last post. Last I checked our opinions have no bearing on coaching decisions there for don’t think it’s a big deal to discussed things that “should have happened” these are just discussions. What would you like to talk about here????
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Have to agree
I’ve tried to be patient, but I think 4 games in, and add the two pre-season games, and I think we see what we have and its not going to get any better. Also, all the stock is being in placed on the 07 season. While still an accomplishment, was he a add-on because someone else couldn’t play??
Yes.
Someone got injured and he came on as an alternate.
by Suns Fan For Life on Oct 5, 2010 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Here is a thought for short term solution.
What about Chad Pennington as a temporary solution. He may be not be a guy who can sling it all over the field, but he is a proven commodity. He does not win that many games, but he sure as heck does not lose them for you. He has a 66% career completion rate and a QB rating over 90. He is the third string guy in Miami, and might love the chance to get some playing time. What do you guys think?
by Suns Fan For Life on Oct 5, 2010 8:29 AM MDT reply actions
Very Hard to bring a guy in to pick up the offense
Remember Rattay in 06 when Warner and Leinart went down….that was miserable until Warner could play..
Saints
The way I see it, is to put DA in for the Saints game. It provides a couple of things; you give him one last chance, you keep Hall from being killed by the Saints, you give the O-line another week to mesh with out killing Hall, and you’ll be giving Hall two weeks with the starting O…………..not having be killed by the Saints. With the loss to New Orleans this div. is still winable. As a coach (obviously not pro) I think that is the most logical thing to do
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 9:38 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Very refreshing to see a new name with some logical ideas
I do have to ask, however, if you think it would be smarter to let Hall start his first game at home against the Saints or on the road at Seattle in what could prove to be a must-win game?
QB
Im not a huge fan of an undrafted rookie FA comming in at all this season, and I think Wiz would agree, but I do think it will happen not sure if it will be because of pressure on Wiz from with-in the org. but i think Hall will get a chance. In Seattle, is not ideal but ALL the div. game will be a must wins. I do stand by having DA start against the Saints and give Hall 2 weeks IF its inevitable he will be our starter.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
+1 on not being a fan of starting an UDFA at QB
too bad DA is making it necessary to have to consider the scenario. My thought, for what little it’s worth, is to give him a game at home (without the distractions and disadvantages of a hostile road environment) to have under his belt before heading into Seattle.
Hall
Qwest field has proven VERY tough this season. I agree with your comments, I think Hall is in for a sink or swim situation no matter what
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
TB
Tampa at home would be OK but then Minn. in Minn. going suck! Allen is a beast
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Qwest Field is not where I'd want him to get his first start.
I can understand your line of reasoning. At some point the team is going to have to put him in as the starter. It will be hard going regardless of when that is. I’d rather he go in at home with the support of the red sea even if he gets brutalized by the Saints than go into Seattle and struggle through that first game in that environment. I think it would be much better for his psyche.
Thats how I feel too
I was hoping that DA would play well enough to just let the two rookies sit on the bench for a year or two until one of them was ready to play.
But DA has played so poorly that I don’t know if we will be able to win with him. If this is going to be a rebuilding year, I’d rather have a rookie out there getting some experience instead of the guy who isn’t playing well at all.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Open your eyes
Have you watched the Rams, Niners and Seahawks play lately. They are looking well coached and strong. If any NFL team thinks this is a weak conference because of the Cards play, they will get a rude awakening in the form of an ass kicking from St. Louis, S.F. or Seattle.
It’s true that the Cards do make the rest of the conference look weak but that is a falacy being perpetuated by lazy sports writers and commentators. I believe by the end of the season we will hear the term “upset” when referring to about any win from a NFC Western Conference team over any team outside of this conference. I do not believe any of the so called experts will admit to being wrong about their habit of sticking to their perenniel assesment of the NFC West.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
NFC west
I dont think the NFC west is strong. No push-overs but not strong. In the NFL almost any team can win based on matchups. Rams will be the team to beat down the road, QB may be the real deal. I think Seattle is a well coached team……..9ers, not so much. they will overhaul the coaching staff at seasons end, they already have a head start.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Fortunately for us, no, not strong
If we were in the AFC North or AFC East I’d be hitting the panic button myself right now but as we’re not there is still legit hope for another division title.
Really?
We will soon see. Our in-conference games are on the horizon. If what you say is true, we will see a series of “girl fights” in conference play and a host of muggings on the NFC West outide of conference play. I don’t think so, but you could be right.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
not sure if “girl fights” would how I would describe the games comming up, But I think the NFC west is anyones Div.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
You'd rather see Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Cincinnati
or the Patriots, Jets, and Dolphins than the 0-4 Niners, the perennial top 3 drafting Rams or the win-at-home only Seahawks? Off the top of my head, much as I hate to admit it, with the exception of the Rams/Skins I think our division has pretty much gotten mauled so far. Thinking out loud, Seattle blasted SF at home, got crushed in Denver, lost in STL, and beat SD (another exception) at home. STL lost to us and Oakland on the road, beat Seattle and Washington at home.
Okay, so the pattern so far is if STL or Seattle go on the road it’s a loss. SF, who knows with them right now (as long they keep losing I don’t care). Us, 1-2 on the road 1-0 at home.
I’ll take those teams over what many divisions get to play.
Strong!
I actually think the NFC West is much stronger than most fans think.
Like the PAC 10 in college football has been considered weak compared to other conferences across the country. When they have a chance to actually play some of the elite college teams to the East and South it becomes apparent that The PAC 10 is not such a push over as the experts have proclaimed.
I would not mind if the Cards were put in any conference or division. The NFL is the NFL. Win or go home.
What if the Suns were afraid to play in the same division as the Lakers? That does not make any sense.
It is up to the franchise to put an NFL quality product on the field during the season. We have seen enough practice games already!
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
QB isn't the biggest problem
DEFENSE IS.
from TMQ:
3-4 Fad Update: New England leads league in scoring, Jersey/B is second. What do they have in common? Both have run up points on Buffalo. Last season, the Bills’ 4-3 defense was 16th in points allowed — quite respectable considering that a bad Buffalo offense kept sending the defense back onto the field. This summer, Buffalo switched to the trendy 3-4, and so far has allowed more points than any team in the NFL. After 2009 the Bills’ management canny management let go defensive coordinator Perry Fewell, who favored the 4-3. Fewell now runs the third-ranked Giants’ defense, while the Buffalo defense appears not to be run by anyone.
our strength on defense is our D Line. We should use more of them not less.
If we could stop people. Then QB wouldn’t matter nearly as much.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Oct 5, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions
The Key
The key word in your post is “biggest”. I am glad you acknowledge problems on multiple fronts. The QB position gets the most exposure because that is the fire power that usually puts points on the board and can overcome a poor defensive effort by running up the score. The QB is the most glaring weakness, then the O-line, then the Defense. If the Defense allows only two points and your QB and offense cannot score, you lose!
If the offense cannot score the Defense has no lead to protect. It is difficult for the D under those circumstances. Give them a reason to perform besides the paycheck.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I think going back to a hybrid defense has it's merits.
Unfortunately we still won’t have a bonafide pass rushing threat which to my view is the most glaring problem on defense. Four down linemen would probably help a ton in stopping the run though.
DEFENSE
I agree. the 3-4 has it’s pro’s……..and con’s. given the linebacker situation to include draft picks that didnt work out, ect the 4-3 may be a better defense. Unfortunatly you cant just change in the middle on the season but these coaches get paid big $$ and should know the abilities of the personnel.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 11:17 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
No doubt
that’s why I like to see us run some more base 5-2 alignments. It’s not that much of a change from the 3-4, and may enable some more favorable match-ups for our best pass rushers (instead of having them doubled all the time).
Agree that a full-blown change can’t occur at this point in the season, but damn, 40+ points allowed in 4 of the last 6 games (including last year’s playoffs) has to have OC’s around the league salivating.
AGREE! Need to change up some of the alignments. D-coordinator MUST be accountable.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
exactly what Docket said. Very frustrating team this year. Coaching decisions have to be in question. Hind sight is always 20/20 but Vick looks good McNabb lives in AZ. Wiz said in his presser there wasn’t options when they signed DA …………there were options, options better than DA. Even if McNabb only had 2/3 years left in him, Skelton was a long term project and would be able to see where he was at when McNabb hung it up. Vick would have been a great compliment to the run game and now he can pass in the pocket. Yep people would have been upset about what he has done in the past but he has paid for what he has done………..and let’s be honest, winning makes fans forget almost everything.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it does
the one thing I’ll say in the Whiz’s defense on the QB situation is that most have it backwards. He wasn’t too quick to give up on Leinart, he was too slow. I think he knew bringing in McNabb would immediately call into question who the starter was, whereas we all accepted the reasoning that DA was brought in to have an experienced back-up in case of emergency/push Leinart throughout camp. By the time he pulled the plug on Leinart it was too late, hence the situation we face now. I can’t get too critical about Vick, at the time he hadn’t showed much in his first season with Philadelphia and later on it looked very possible that he was headed back to jail.
Things look pretty bad now, but this is the coach who led the Cardinals to the Super Bowl, how much more unrealistic could that have been before it happened? He helped guide Pitt to a 14-2 or 13-3 when Ben had to start as a rookie (can’t remember the exact record off the top of my head). As long as Hall can find open receivers for gimme TD’s I think we’ll be okay offensively. Defensively is where we really need to come up with something different.
I don’t think anyone could have seen Vick blowing up. Agree with waiting to long to cut ML. Then if he brought in McNabb no question about the starter. Wiz already knew what he had in Matt, but gave him the benefit of the doubt. Its easy to say what should have happened but I expected more for Wiz, but still do have confidence he will turn things around. not sure if it will be this year or next, leaning toward next. I would be more optimistic if we were just discussing QB problems but that’s the scratching the surface. IF, we had a solid D and IF, we had a good O-line I think Hall could get us wins with our WR core, but that’s not the case
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it's there, it just needs a chance
I think it’s a given that our O-Line is a much better run blocking group than pass blocking, so if we could take advantage of the mismatches we have created on offense to get some early points in the pass game we could allow them to pin their ears back for a change and run at the defense for awhile. As we discussed, the talent on our “D” is there we just need to start scheming a little better because it should be pretty clear that we’re way too predictable in what we’re doing.
Still hopeful for a third division title, part of that is being a homer. The other is that we’re still tied for first in the NFC West and that we only have to beat out SF, Seattle and STL to do it.
yeah
The o-line had so much continuity before, and they should mesh. I’m hopeful on another NFC west Champ. This is the best season to work things out and still be competitive.
by Footballdad79 on Oct 5, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
+10000
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Funny you brought this up...
I have been mulling this over for a while now. With our players strengths on D#, I think we’de be set up way better for a 4-3 right now until at least Hayes is back. We are freakin deep at d-line and very thin at LB. It’s almost as though they are trying to make them conform to coaching rather than coaching working with it’s assests.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
The switch started out okay
but now it just seems like it’s been devised for us by the opposition. Let’s make sure 9-0 and C.C. are doubled, we’ll single up on the OLB’s, run at a converted NT, etc.
Davis needs to flip that. Show some 5-2 every now and again, let them block 9-0 one on one. Put Watson, Big Dan and Dockett inside on short yardage situations. Something different.
5-2, 4-3, 1-9, I played mostly offense so my defensive knowledge is limited to Madden.
But it just seems you play to your strengths and we have a very deep D-line unit and we are old and thin at LB.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Exactly
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
funny that now you agree with me
in the past I"’ve always been a " tard" or told suck a"bag of dicks.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
To be real honest I just now read your post!
I previously went right by it due to your normal tardacy, but further inspection did prove you brought some valid points about our defense of which I am in agreeance. I was actually agreeing with batdad79 and didn’t even realize you brought it up first. Good job cuckoo, now GO SUCK A BAG OF DICKS YOU TARD!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
BATDAD, OH YA!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Post didn't insert link I wanted here it is...
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154926/bat-dad
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Lots of good points made here
The offense did look good that first drive, until the TD reversal then the train derailed in a big way. The defense stripped the ball, got the TD back then proceeded to implode. I still see improvement with Anderson each week. Anderson also seems to get over excited when the team gets behind and tries to force plays. The Oline will play better eventually but until that time the QB is going to get pummeled. Question is what QB can take a beating Anderson or Hall? I think Anderson should get another shot and hopefully the line gives him time to make smarter decisions. If Anderson has time but still effs up than give Hall the second half
Broooooooooooooo...
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seriously,
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SUCK A BAG OF DICKS!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
by boogatt66 on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
The offense needs to practice some hard counts
get a few offsides penatlies and slow some of them blitzes down. At least get some first downs or something instead of a sack
That I can speak on! It's a lack of discipline by the team.
If my 9 and 10 year olds can go on 1-2-3 and silent and hold there water, these grown ass men making millions to play a game should be able to.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Who's quitting?
You don’t think the coaching staff isn’t having the same discussions about how to get our current situation fixed? Granted, their conversations are a lot more qualified and in-depth than what is taking place here, but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that we’re not playing worth a shit right now. Admitting that doesn’t make a fan a “quitter.”
quitters....hmmmmmmmm...
I don’t think fans that have quit, go onto a team site and read fan responses to fanposts for hours and argue about what their team is doing wrong. But hey, that’s just coming from another quitter so it’s probably invalid.
by fitzfan04 on Oct 5, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
stupid
Must be cause im not seeing that. Im sure the stands will have plenty of red next week. What make any difference to you if they do quit. Point made on the “stupid” one. hahaha
Not quitting!
I am just changing my prospective from optomistic to realistic. When I see results on the field to lead me back to optomistic I will be more than happy to make that move. I love my Cards but I must be real in my assessment. Unlike many “fans”, I believe what I see. I know, in todays Hi-Tech world, it is possibe that the Cardinals games have been edited to give the appearance of a bumbling stumbling team, but I doubt it. I think it is, in reality, a bumbling, stumbling team. They need no editing to make that point.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Cmon guy youve been down on Whiz and the whole team from your first day
you gotta be a 49er fan havin a good time talkin crap about the Cards
Admission
I have been down on Whiz because he is the HC. I am not, however, down on the team. These are professionals and are all capable of great play, but that is on the coaching staff to utilize the talent on hand to the team’s advantage.
On Sundays my wife lays out my Cardinal Jersey and Cardinals Shorts. If you think it has been fun and a barrel of laughs for me and other Card fans you must be a little delusional. Maybe you could tell me where to purchase some Cardinals “Rose Colored Glasses”, I’d love to see the games and coaching the way you do.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Wrong!
I just have gas. Common for old guys like me.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Retired for a while.
I’ll bet you’ve never smelled poots sweeter than mine.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Buddy
I’ve lived on Circle k burritos and 7-11 chili chese jalapeno hot dogs for over 40 years. My ass blasts have made tough guys puke like little girls having their first pinch of tobacco. My dog runs away whimpering when it smells one of my rips. I’d be more than happy to let you enjoy a lifetime memory of just one pffftttt, you can share the story with your one friend. Hell I’ll bottle one up for you and you can enjoy it for your remaining years
Circle-K?
Thats one of those new fangled miniture market chains isn’t it? The same for 7-11? I don’t trust those young kids who hang out at those places. All the tatoos make them look so dirty and the boys are just as bad!
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 5, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Lynch
Lynch should help Seattle. They are making good moves and are well coach or so it seems for now.
He could
Off the field issues have never been Carroll’s strength but I can’t disagree that he’s an upgrade from what they had. Fortunately a lot of these moves are quickly depleting their draft picks.
What's next?
I am looking forward to the remaining in-conference games. Should be telling.
If the Cards are able to dominate, yee-haw! I’m ready to celebrate. If however we get our butts handed to us by our conference foes, the bloom will be off the rose and those responsible will become “Nervious Nellies” about job security.
Niners have looked capable of being 3-1 with a couple of breaks, St. Louis has adopted an offensive scheme that is taylored to their new franchise QB and should also be 3-1 and Seattle seems to have flourished under the direction of Coach Carrol and have pulled off a couple of upset wins.
The Cardinals, on the otherhand, should be 0-4, but God is smiling on this team for some reason. Arizona has a perfect jumping off point to make a run at a playoff birth.
Will they come through?
It is up to whoever is in the drivers seat and his abilities at navagating the NFL.
getting back to the original question
Why shouldn’t Hall start? We know the team can’t go anywhere with DA. What makes Hall any different than Clausen or Sanchez or Flacco or Ryan. There are other QB’s that started as rookies as well. Just because he wasn’t drafted…big deal. Brady was drafted in the 6th round..(close to undrafted)—Romo wasn’t drafted. Warner wasn’t drafted.
Hall played at BYU—a throwing team. He had plenty of experience against decent (if not great) competition.
With a rookie QB—the strategy needs to be run the ball (which we can do—over 4 yds per carry)—throw short, safe passes until the defense stacks the box. Then play action over the top.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Oct 5, 2010 6:02 PM MDT reply actions
He shouldn't start because he's an undrafted rookie.
He should start because DA sucked all of Boogs bags of dicks.
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Anderson to Houston for Leinart, straight up!
by YoungCardsFanatic on Oct 5, 2010 6:06 PM MDT reply actions
Whiz will never go for that.
He is still upset at ML for going to the media after his demotion to second string.
Hahaha yeah, I know, there is no way Whiz will give Leinart a chance to prove him wrong
(Although he’s kind of done that already)
No way Houston will go for that either…
by YoungCardsFanatic on Oct 5, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
How is that dude?
Just because Anderson has blown doesn’t mean Leinart would have done any freakin better. In fact, Leinart was less mobile than Anderson was nowhere near as tough so I think he would have gotten hurt already. Get off his dick!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Yeah, and Anderson is so mobile right? His toughness has really led us to some scoring drives, right?
Fact is Whiz went with DA and DA has stunk it up. We will never know how Leinart would have done but I can almost guarantee you he would have done better than Anderson. Leinart is more accurate than Anderson—I think we can all agree on that one. In fact, DA might be the only quarterback in the league who could have missed Stephen Williams on that play. At least Leinart tries to pass it and throw it away when he is under pressure instead of throwing it into double or triple coverage like DA because we all know how well that worked out for us last Sunday. Just because I think Leinart is better than DA doesn’t mean I’m on his dick. What’s the matter, angsty about running out of dicks in your bag or something?
by YoungCardsFanatic on Oct 5, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, I can assure you bigfoot is real...
but until a body is found or one is put in a cage it’s a moot point. Same shit with Leinart! You have no idea about how much better he would have done than Anderson. He never played a regular season game this year. Preseason he looked horrible. If you really want to speculate and call it fact, he would have checked down to the RB that play your talking about to Stephen Williams because he’s got a noodle for an arm. With our porous line, Leinart would have been at serious risk of getting injured and I know the man can’t take a hit like DA. Knock on DA all you want but one thing we all know is there are very few who can take a beating like he has so far.
Don’t get it twisted either chief, I am no fan of Anderson’s performance thus far. So ya, get off his dick, Leinart’s dick that is. Stop rehashing the same ole Leinart BS “I told you so” because he was released 5 games ago! I am not telling you to take down your masturbatory material hanging from your walls of #7, just save your bromance for private buddy.
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
All right, I'm done.
All I want is to state my opinion and debate it with others without being personally attacked. Is that too much to ask?
by YoungCardsFanatic on Oct 6, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I know you are but what am I, I know you are but am I,
I know you are but what am I
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Here is what I have seen
1. Rcvrs dropping balls..is that andersons fault? A line that gave up 9 sacks 2 on anderson 7 on hall. A defense that couldn’t stop Chandler.
Yea you can blame Anderson all day long but if he gets some time he hits folks he was sacked or pressured on every pass play. Hall was sacked 7 times..we rushed as a team for around 60 yards..before everyone starts blaming Anderson for everything. you best be looking at the whole picture. Anyone that thinks Hall is a savior is on Drugs NO will have him out of the game dead in the 1st half. They will kill Anderson or skeleton or the pope. The line sucks the defense is crapola.
Yea blame anderson when he doesn’t start and we lose the next 4 games. This team sucks. How many recvrs dropped balls that hit them in the chest? Willams sucks..Komar is not good if..Doucet and Breaston are there its a different story..Factoid..But we would have to score 100 to beat anyone.
LOL +1
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
This season is going to lead to excessive drinking on Sunday's!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
D.A. Experiment = Frakenstein
The receivers get surprised if the ball is close to being catchable. They are ready to jump or reach back to catch a poorly thrown ball with a lot of heat from 5 yards away. Anderson puts a partial drive together, Whiz gets excited and greedy, so he calls for a pass down field near the Red Zone, and boom! The D-backs are like sharks on a seal when the pass is thrown high, low, or behind the receiver.
A.D. loses confidence in the play calling and goes berzerk. The whole team acts like frightened villagers and disappear in action. “We are doomed!” This monster and his creator are wreaking havoc on the townpeople of phoenix and their team.
by Arizona Retiree on Oct 6, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions

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