The Good And The (Mostly) Terribad From The Cardinals 36-18 Bedwetting Against Seattle
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2010 6:27 PM MST
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So... in a game that most of us thought the Cardinals could get a win with the home crowd behind them, and going against a struggling Seahawks team that was outscored something like 76-10 in their last two games, they decide to lay a massive egg. So, lets just get this over with.
Positives:
The first drive. LaRod Stephens-Howling returns the opening kickoff to the 50 yard line, Derek Anderson gets a 33 yard pass off to Larry Fitzgerald that gets them deep in Seattle territory, and then they get a touchdown run by Tim Hightower. Looks good right? Right???
Derek Anderson threw for 322 yards, although he was only 23 of 45 passing the ball. He also threw a Touchdown to Early Doucet late in the game, he also completed a couple of nice deep passes to Steve Breaston. He did have a pick, but it was on a tipped pass. DA did look good when he actually had time to throw.
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie picked off Charlie Whitehurst in the 3rd quarter following a hand injury to Hasselbeck before halftime.
Calais Campbell and Adrian Wilson both had a sack.
Ben Graham had 3 punts downed inside the 20 yard line.
Leon Washington was only able to return one kick for 22 yards.
Seattle was 2 of 8 in the Red Zone (Touchdowns)
Olindo Mare missed a field goal.
Negatives:
Lets get right to the point. The Defense looked like 11 blind drunk people stumbling around on the field. Greg Toler was benched for Michael Adams early in the game after being burned several times, and the nobody in the secondary was able to cover as Matt Hasselbeck had several deep pass completions, one of them was a 63 yarder where three defenders bounced off the receiver as he ran it in for a Touchdown. On some plays, multiple players missed tackles, and the Defense as a whole looked worse than it did last week near the end of the game against Minnesota (by the way, this week Brett Favre was 18 of 31 for 170 yards, a Touchdown where coverage was blown leading to the 53 yard pass, and he was picked off three times. Compare that to the career high that he put up against us!) . Hasselbeck finished the game 22 of 34 with 333 yards and a Touchdown, it was also their first 300 yard passing game of the entire season. If Billy Davis isn't on the hot seat right yet, he has to be soon since his Defense has collapsed over the last three weeks.
The Cardinals gained 0 yards in the 3rd quarter. I repeat, ZERO YARDS.
The offense was 2 of 11 on 3rd down.
Derek Anderson was sacked 5 times, and he was hit on 5 other plays. He also failed to throw the ball away on several plays where he could have avoided a sack by doing so. One of those sacks took the Cardinals out of field goal range on a drive where they started at the 33 yard line of Seattle.
Seattle only had to punt the ball once.
Jay Feely botched an onside kick attempt in the 4th quarter when the ball hit his knee before it went 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.
Justin Forsett or Marshawn Lynch? Can't tackle either of them. Seattle ran for 110 yards, and their backs broke tackles on several plays.
Olindo Mare outscored the Cardinals in the two meetings of these teams 38-28.
LaRod Stephens-Howling suffered a hamstring injury.
Several passes were dropped by the receivers, although a couple of them were from Derek Anderson rifling the ball at 90 miles per hour. Gerald Hayes also dropped what could have been a Pick.
The Offensive Line looked like garbage, again.
The Cardinals only ran for 41 yards.
As a whole, the coaching staff was outcoached, and the players are outplayed. After being 3-2 following a win against the New Orleans Saints, they have now lost 4 games in a row for the first time since 2006, and are now tied with the 49ers for last place in the NFC West at 3-6 following their overtime win against the Rams.
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That was a waste of a Sunday
I have no clue where we start. Do we pick up a new QB? Or how about try Max Hall again? Give John Skelton his first try? Or stick with Derek Anderson, and hope what we’ve been hoping for the last 10 weeks: That he’ll all of a sudden turn it around. And that’s just the QB’s.
As for the rest of the team, I could write 10 pages, but I won’t. If we continue this, I’m thinking a 3rd overall pick in the 1st Round is possibly.
DA did not play badly in my opinion
Well, he improved. That’s all I’ll say.
by KholdStare88 on Nov 14, 2010 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
He played mediocre-decent
But the problem is, he can’t seem to deliever in the clutch situations. When we needed him most, like in the 4th Quarter, he wasn’t able to score the TD’s, or even a FG, when we needed it most. Of course, the O-line and Defense wasn’t much help either, but it’s easier to blame one person than a whole team.
His pocket awareness is also shot to shit.
Poor pocket awareness + poor pass protecting o-line = ouch.
DA played pretty good.
There is a trend to how teams defend the Cardinals. If you noticed, as soon as the other teams get a lead they change their defensive strategy and really start to get aftert the Cards because they suck on defense and in pass protection. Levi Brown was beat like a drum by a Rookie and second year mid grade DE the entire second half. I have never seen Breaston nor Fitz drop so many passes before. They were terrible on both sides of the ball. I have been saying for weeks that the Cards D is the worst in the league yet we have some of the best talent. Opening drive the cards go down and score. They had one pass play (bomb to Fitz), the rest was running. Hightower actually ran tough. Then the D colapsed and we had to play catch up. I believe that Wiz understands his D sucks and this is why he has to call an offensive game plan that calls for a shoot out. He came close last week against the Vikes.
I do think that they can win out the rest of the season. I hope they do. But it wont be until they start playing as power team. Even the Seachicken players and coaches admitted to their game plan of throwning at Toler and getting AW deep into coverage.
I hope they get it figured out soon. Bill Davis is terrible and needs to game plan for the other team instead of putting his players in the same alignments everyweek! So predictable.
by willienillie on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
Chris Clemons is neither a rookie or a 2nd year mid grade DE.
He did, however, had his way with Levi Brown.
On every. single. dropback.
On the bright side...
I’m still very drunk and cooking steak. Not a complete loss of a Sunday!
I still trust Whiz and Graves
But I want a real OC and a new DC next year. The year we rocked we had an OC and Bill Davis’ defenses either play like the ‘85 Bears or the ’08 Lions, most of the time the latter. They just aren’t consistent and that can’t be acceptable.
Justin Forsett*
Not Leon Washington. Inexplicably, Washington got close to no carries.
Right, thanks
I’ll fix that when I get back on my Computer
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2010 6:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
You know, now that Troy Smith has become the starter for the 49ers
They seem like a pretty good team. Ideas, anyone?
Getting swept by the Seahawks..
Doesn’t mean anything (to me). Last year we were swept by the Niners and that didn’t seem to stop us from winning the West. Honestly, Seattle is gonna have a really tough time with the rest of their schedule, so I don’t expect them to get to 9 wins. If the Cards sweep the rest of their NFCW foes, I think we’ll get to the playoffs.
GO CARDS!
We are dead last
49ers are 1-1 within the division and we are 1-2
Adrian Wilson played absolutely horrible
Either switch him to LB or bench him for week until he realizes coverage is integral to playing SS. He was and still is my favorite Cardinal, but I was thoroughly disappointed with his play today
Other than the STL game, he has stunk it up......
burned way too many times to count now….
It may very well be the scheming that puts him out of position. I don’t know, but I do know he deserves the ‘F’ he gave the defense..
Poor AW
I hate to see him struggle. It is really showing how poorly he is being used. He is almost always in bracket coverage with Toler or Will Davis. Neither of these guys can cover. Teams are running at Dockett and getting AW to cover deep. I heard Bilick say several times that the Cards arent going to be able to do anything if all they are doing is bringing a 4man rush on every play. He repeatedly said they need to mix it up more often. The great teams do. Too bad for AW because he is getting abused.
by willienillie on Nov 15, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
And to make matters worse
the Cowboys and Bills both won today. We truly SUCK!Playoffs or not, we won’t get very far.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Nice title.
Best part of the write up. Thanks for the recap as I missed the game. It feels like the Cardinals have regressed completely so the bedwetting line is quite apt. Greg Toler getting benched for Mike Adams is stark. Can’t say I’m the least bit sorry I missed out on this one. Good day to be gone camping.
My fave was...
11 blind drunk people stumbling around.
LOL
On that 63 yard TD
That is exactly what it looked like.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
...and I remember many of you cheering when Matt Leinart was cut....
Yes, many of you (and you know who you are) cheered when your “genius” of a head coach Whisenhut cut Matt Leinart mostly throwing high percentage passes (which now seem to be important for not throwing INTs) or for speaking up for not getting adequate reps in the preseason. Maybe it was his “master plan” to finally get another high draft pick by tanking the team this season. Sadly, as a season seat holder (club level 219) they made that decision after my contract was extended. It will be another two or three tough years watching this team…… Now we know why Pace – Jets, Smith – Texans, Dansby – Dolphins, Rolle – Giants and Boldin – Ravens left this sinking ship.
Whisenhut is a good assistant coach and maybe that is why the Steelers passed on him when Cowher retired and hired an outsider Tomlin?
"If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
by BigUSCTrojanFan on Nov 14, 2010 7:51 PM MST reply actions
It's been 10 weeks
Get over it. Matt Leinart’s gone, and he’s not coming back. Do I think it was a mistake to cut him? Yes. Am I going to go on and on about how much better we could be with him as our starting QB? No.
Coach Whiz never seemed to like him, and that meant trouble. He’s gone, now forget about him.
i'm keeping my #7 jersey
and hoping that the Cards pull a moss/vikings scenario.
but i hope he stays a lil longer than moss did.
:)
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 15, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
How is Leinart doing again? I think he's #3 and cleared waivers...
How many teams were “chomping at the bit” for him? None, and then one picked him up for an undisclosed contract amount and undisclosed length. Wow, that really sounds like someone who got a one year, small contract because the Texans didn’t want to commit funds to a mediocre first round pick.
Section 103, Row 19
lol Its dumb to bring up Matt Leinart as a topic, maybe a joke .
ML is long gone.
Not a joke...a reminder of what "Whisenhut" has accomplished.....
Remember, it was with Dennis Green’s players that they made the Super-bowl (also a revitalized Kurt) The Cardinals have slid downhill since then…. the more Whisenhut has “taken” control of his team..the worse they seem to play!
"If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
by BigUSCTrojanFan on Nov 14, 2010 8:16 PM MST up reply actions
So after the players play bad
The Head Coach gets all the blame? Because Coach Whiz played terribly today. Because he gave up all those FG’s and TD’s. Because he wasn’t able to throw any TD passes when we needed him to. Because he wasn’t able to return the kicks for good yardage. Because he injured all of our injured players.
There’s only so much a HC can do.
Tell that to Wade Phillips ....
Look at the Cowboys today..under the OC (now head Coach). The team played with excitement and won….A change is needed on the Cardinal sideline…
"If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome."
by BigUSCTrojanFan on Nov 14, 2010 8:30 PM MST up reply actions
That's called a "spark"
Happens all the time, especially in the NFL.
We coined the “Max Hall effect” against the Saints, but it turned into the “Max Hall experiment” 2 weeks ago.
by ajotanelsona on Nov 15, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
According to The Retiree
If the players have a bad game, it is because Coach Whiz is a stammering moron who can’t walk without tripping over his own feet.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Whiz is a cancer!
What is the point for the team to continue to try? Whiz will only pull the rug out from under the players and cement a loss. It is his M.O.
Whiz took over the team in 2007. His record is 4-8 without Warner, 26-19 regular season record when Warner was calling the game as QB.
Leinart came to the Cards in 2006, Arizona’s win loss record when Matt played was 13-15. Not terrible with all things considered or compared to the current crop of hand picked QBs that Whiz has installed to lead the team under his direct guidence.
Whiz led Leinart to a 1-2 record and the Anderson/Hall combo to a 3-6 record (so far).
Warner was obviously the High Football IQ that led the Cards to their winning seasons.
I think the Bidwells should approach Warner and ask him to take over the HC position. He knows the coaches, players, front office, NFL big wigs, other franchise front offices, coaches and players. Kurt demands respect from players and coaches throughout the league and would be a magnet for talent. He has a competitive nature that could be fed as a head coach. He and his family are already a fixture in the Valley of the Sun and the fans love and support him. It is a no brainer. He knows football, offense and defense. He knows clock management and he has people skills.
Wisenhunt has had three and a half years to prove himself. He has! Without Warner he has a winning percentage of 33.3%. Warner has a 58% winning percentage when calling the offense from the QB position.
It is my opinion the Kurt Warner is the answer. he knows the system and could begin tomorrow, if his wife lets him. I say, “Dump Wisenhunt and hire Warner, now!” No brainer, he would be a perfect fit for our situation.
The Cowboys responded to a coaching change, I would gamble that the Cards would do the same with a future HOF player leading them, especially one of their own!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 14, 2010 11:02 PM MST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
What would you of done different over the past 4 years, in terms of player acquisitions and the like, than what this Arizona front office has done? Because at the end of the day, that is this team’s biggest problem – lack of talent at the most critical areas.
Ridiculous
Fire a guy after three good seasons just because of one bad season?
Look even I am pissed at Whiz right now; heck the entire coaching staff. But I wouldn’t fire him just because of this season. Besides the huge, huge mistake with our QB selections Whiz has done a lot to change the culture of this team and of the fan base. Years ago fans wouldn’t boo at a game because we expected to lose and we didn’t care enough to boo. The boo’s to me symbolized how much we care about our team and how much we demand to be winners. Whiz has raised our level of expectations and because of that he is also the first guy we blame when we experience failure. Whiz has next season to prove he can win without Warner. If he can’t than lets begin this conversation.
I like the idea of Warner as a coach, but definitely not the HC. Maybe the QB coach and than move to the OC as he proves himself as a coach. Great players do not always make great coaches…
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 14, 2010 11:42 PM MST up reply actions
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Warner as a coach is laughable
… you sure are funny AZ Retiree
funny like a clown
by quid pro quo on Nov 15, 2010 6:31 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Could Arizona Retiree... be... Warner... ?
by ajotanelsona on Nov 15, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
Busted!
Actually I’m the Mrs. (Warner), but I still say look at Whiz’s stats. It’s as if you are trying to prop up a pillar of warm jello. In your feeble support of Whiz, how about some simple stats to back up your bullshit. (The kids are taking a nap).
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Brady
Thats like saying it was all Tom Brady that won those SBs. If he is gone then, do the Pats fire Belichicken? Is Wiz responsible for the QB demise in Az? Partly. Dont forget that Warner had just signed a 3 year extension so the message there was ‘hey I am here for a while…oh now wait… Im retiring.’ Could you imagine what would have happened all those years if Elway, Montana, Marino or Bradshaw or Aikman had been hurt or retired early? Their coaches wouldnt have won squat! Yet we consider them to be the greatest to ever coach. That includes guys like Holmgren, Shannahan, or even Parcells. All had great QBs some are still searching for the next grear one. So get off the Wiz hate wagon and support the team we do have!
by willienillie on Nov 15, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
What?
What is it with you people? So if its all Wiz’s fault then Why the hell didnt Denny Green win more than 3 games his last year? The same players that Wiz went 8-8 his first year with and 9-6 his second and the SuperBowl? Denny should have won at least one SB then, going along with your logic. And leinart Sucks. If he was so good, why did Pete Carol go for Charlie Whitehurst instead of his golden boy Leinart? Carol was asked if he would be interested in Matty Boy and Carol basically said that he didnt fit the current offense that they have. What…like throwing the ball deep? Oh yeah… he cant do that likeHasselbeck or, as we just found out, Whitehurst. If Wiz hated Leinart from the start as many have stated, why the hell would he not trade him when he had value and wait until the entire league realized that he sucked and not get anything in return?
Several teams needed a QB and none of them (espeically teams playing rookies) wanted him. All said something to the affect of he doesnt fit what we are trying to accomplish here. Oh, and Matt Moore, Colt McCoy, Fitzpatrick, Shawn Hill, or even Jon Kitna do? Says something about ’ole Matty Boy and how good Wiz really is!
by willienillie on Nov 15, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
In two words...
we suck….
Our team is bad. At 3-6, that’s a good definition of bad. Sorry boys, but I was there. There may be some positives, but at 3-6, our season is done. There’s no reason to think it will turn around. We may get a few wins here to get some hope going, but here’s the deal…..while I’m sitting there, I’m thinking “if only we do this,” or “if only this happens, we’ll get back into it,” and then it hit me…This is how I used to think when I was sitting at Sun Devil Stadium.
That’s how low its gotten…..We’ve officially regressed. Maybe its only a one year thing. I admit there’s a lot of young talent that has me excited, but the QB position has crippled this team and this season. There is no respect for the passing game. We have a poor QB and a line that is inconsistent in pass blocking. The only reason we get a few big plays is because of the way defenses are playing against us, which opens things up. But they have our number as DA is too inconsistent. We have a chance at 6-10, or maybe a run of games to finish 7-9, but still a huge disappointment, just like the old days……what makes this so frustrating is it didn’t have to be this way.
by Cardzfan on Nov 14, 2010 8:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree
You said it exactly right, “the QB position has crippled this team and this season.” We have nothing at quarterback, and the coaching staff can’t even figure out that they need to just turn into the ’09 Panthers who run, run, run and dump short passes with an occasional lob.
2 for 11 on 3rd down, and 0 3rd Quarter yards. That says it all. We have no offense, the offense we do have (Howling Beantower) we are not using properly, and we can’t keep a sorry defense off of the field to rest which makes them even sorrier.
Section 103, Row 19
Even though things look grim right now
I hope everyone here doesn’t give up on the Team. I’ll keep watching even if we finish the year 3-13.
Keep the faith, there is still a chance that something good can happen. The Chargers were 4-8 in 2008, then they won 4 in a row and won the division (and the AFC West is about as bad as the NFC West). Anything can happen this year.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I'll always stick with this team
But I don’t think we’ll end up like the 08 Chargers this year. Our QB’s are not as good as Phillip Rivers.
by CanadianCard on Nov 14, 2010 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
I won't give up on the team
just very frustrated, and more so because I see the talent…
The team is talented.
This group of athletes needs a talented head coach to lead them. Whisenhunt is a bust. A change could only help. Statisticly, Whiz has taken a team, that he himself assembled, and pushed them into the basement of the NFC West standings and they are officially the worst Offense in the entire NFL.
I vote for Warner as HC.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 14, 2010 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sticking with the team
I think it’s a down year, and I look at the Steelers last year who missed the playoffs, then came back and are on a massive tear right now.
Here’s to 11!
Section 103, Row 19
not locker
he hasn’t played well this year
by cardsfanforlife24 on Nov 14, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
No, he hasn't.
But his team is terrible, too.
Locker is a stud, physically, and I haven’t heard a thing about him lacking in leadership abilities/work ethic. Luck will go before him, guaranteed, but I would not be opposed to Jake at all – he is able to make absolutely spectacular throws on those rare occassions when his line gets eaten alive, and his receivers decide they want to catch.
Locker
will not be a good QB. His team is better, but look at his completion . The most important stat to help see if a college QB will be a good QB is completion %. 60 and over is good, below that, not.
He’s a career 50-something completion %.
His first year in a pro-system, he scored a 58%.
It’s back down to a 56% for this year, but I really cannot state enough how much his team sucks. His receivers constantly drop balls which hit them right in their hands, or land right in the pocket. Those affect completion percentage like no other.
The best test when it comes to incoming quarterbacks, really, is the eye test. And, Locker makes throws that I’ve only seen Bradford make in recent time, and he makes them look easy. He doesn’t have Bradford’s twitch-quick release, and his footwork is still raw, but the potential for legit greatness is there. Given how he improved in his first year with Sarkisian, I think the chances are good he develops and realizes his potential as long as he lands with a good coach. Chris Miller’s supposed to be a technique master, no?
the "eye test"
are you serious?
He cannot throw from the pocket, throws much better on the run/outside of the pocket. Has a fantastic arm, but little to no accuracy (remind you of anybody on the Cards?), locks on to receivers, does not go through progressions.
I’m an Oregon fan and a Pac Ten fan, let some other team waste a first round pick on him.
He's actually played pretty well.
Jake Locker’s stats so far this year:
138/246 1678 yards 14 TD’s 6 INT’s comp 56%
363 yards rushing 3 TD’s
And he’s been banged up.
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Pain don't hurt...
lol Inconsistent Cardinals
which mean we can turn around an go on a 4 game wining streak. But i would much rather start Skelton for the rest of the season and call it quits and get Mcnabb next year, which would also help Skelton out.
I dont know...I hate to see them lose period!
We have heard rumors that Mcnabb will not be signing with the Skins next year and that he wants to throw it down here! I hate Mcnabb, but at least with the talent the Cards have we could light it up again. As much as I hate to admit it, I think I could tolerate 1 year with Mcnabb in hopes of going on a deep playoff run. This, however, does not negate the fact that we have the worst defense in the league and we need a new DC. Hey Phillips is available now! Bring in Cower! A new defensive strategy needs to happen. There are alot of teams out there with half the talent the Cards have on D yet they play pretty good. Name a super star on the Browns? Even the Rams are playing better D that the Cards. They have no more talent than the Cards.
by willienillie on Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah the QB situation is bad
but the D is another elephant in the living room. Our secondary ushers the opposing team into the end zone. 3 guys can’t handle 1 guy????
Also a lot of discipline-related errors. Less than 5 minutes in the game and you’ve got 15 guys on the field?
There are so many issues with this team, the QB situation is only 1 of them. Pls, fire Bill Davis and get an OC.
When Do Pitchers and Catchers report to Spring Training
time to look forward to the Cubs season, which should keep me occupied until mid July or so, then I can start thinking Cards again.
someone let me know when training camp starts for the ‘11 season, because this one is over. Time to give Skelton some game time and see what he has. I don’t know if the Cards will win another game with DA. I think Schofield is going to be a stud down the line.
No arguments about firing Bill Davis and getting an OC.
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
you're a Cubs fan
and you’re complaining about Cards futility
PULLL-EZE
by quid pro quo on Nov 15, 2010 6:28 AM MST up reply actions
This is what I have come to expect!
Yuck! They looked like the 1 and 6 Cowboys. Somthing has to be done, DA cant be blamed for this mess.
Sure he can.
Arizona has had these exact problems since basically Whisenhunt got here. They were masked, of course, but the fact our offense put so many points up, but we don’t have that luxury when we don’t have a future Hall of Famer taking the snaps.
Plus?
Not only taking snaps but calling plays at the line and recognizing defenses. We should move Whiz out and slip Warner in. By next season, he will have had enough HC experience under his belt to bring the Cards back to form as a team that demands respect. I have no doubt.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Billy Davis is the main one for me right now.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2010 10:06 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
have to wonder about some of those coverage schemes...
there was one play where Butler was either being covered by Hayes, Lenon, and/or Wilson…either way, you have to ask why?
Guys look like their out of position…Wilson looks lost….very bad.
I think the plan is...
wherever the ball ends up, you go there and try to stop the play.
coverage schemes were fine
poor tackling was the problem
by quid pro quo on Nov 15, 2010 6:29 AM MST up reply actions
Coverage schemes weren't fine.
Neither Paris Lenon or Adrian Wilson (this year’s version, at least) have any business covering anybody, much less somebody with legit speed.
are you saying we need new players? or new coverage schemes?
by quid pro quo on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
When?
Hey JoeCB,
What will it take for you to be honest about Wisenhunt and his lack of coaching skills? Do you even read the stats? I was under the impression that a blogger such as yourself had some objective views and could read the writting on the wall.
Please, I beg you, convince me with stats, why you choose to praise and support Wisenhunt. I am dumbfounded why you have not done so. Are you a blind follower and fan of “The Whiz” or am I missing something. You owe it all the fans who read your column. I would hate to think that you do not care enough about the Arizona Cardinals to be upfront about your loyalties. Don’t you care about the readers?
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 14, 2010 11:22 PM MST reply actions
I said that the entire team was outcoached and outplayed
That INCLUDES Coach Whiz.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 15, 2010 12:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
OK
A little timid, but I’ll take that as a baby step away from “In Whiz We Trust!”
“I am your father, Luke. Come over to the Dark side!”
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
Time for serious change
We need to find a leader for this team. This team plays with no heart.
That was what disgusted me the most today, just no freaking heart. At our home, against a division rival, for our playoff hopes and we played like crap.
There was no accountability from our players and they deserved the boos they got today. Just freaking pathetic.
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 14, 2010 11:31 PM MST reply actions
That's exactly what I told my wife - The Cardinals played with absolutely zero heart.
Personally I think there are some players that have given up on the season and if even 1 out of 11 has then the unit will suffer. I’m thinking like 3 or 4 on each side of the ball. It looked like they expected to lose and they did.
Go Cards!
Why try?
If the Cardinals’ players get close to winning, the Head Coach always pulls the rug out from under them. Supporting this HC by playing their hears out makes no sense, unless the players are masochists.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
Hearts
was meant to say “-playing their hearts out—”
Sorry.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
I was stunned
This was one of the worst performance I have seen. I was watching our “defense” with my mouth wide open on several plays. Me, forever the silver lining optimist, said several times before half “wow, absolutely pathetic”. and it was.
Look, it is hard enough for a team in transition, losing someone of Kurt Warner’s ability and leadership. but lets be real, it is made so much harder b/c virtually none of our top players are playing well.
Adrian Wilson, DRC, Beanie Wells, Darnell Dockett, Calais Campbell, Joey Porter, and yes even Larry Fitzgerald are not playing well this year. not y’day, the whole year.
A-dub has looked lost, and where is that signature intensity? He has never been great in coverage but his intensity is M.I.A.
DRC’s never been great at fundamentals but makes up for it with instinct and this year he doesn’t seem to care.
Even when the great prospect Beanie has had his turn running the ball, he goes down after one hit and is not reading holes well.
Dockett has not been as much of a driving force.
I was expecting Campbell to ball hawk and be all over the QBs this year but…?
Joey Porter is old and has nothing left.
How many catchable balls has Fitz dropped or let slip through his hands this year? he is simply not on his game.
I will state this again, for a team in transition, losing someone of Kurt Warner’s ability and leadership is a tough mountain to climb. but the reality is it is impossible as we are seeing to do so when the defense has taken one huge step backwards and all of our Pro Bowl talent is getting burned or not performing.
I am with Jessesb, where is the fire? the want to? the passion for the game? the pride? the competitiveness?
forever the optimist, yet as I watched the game I thought, wow they could come back from this game and win…but who cares? they are horrible. the season has all the appearances of being long over.
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
by Undrafteds on Nov 15, 2010 6:05 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Water any one?
Coach Whiz poured water on the fire within the players. He is the one responsible for the total team effort and desire to win. He has done nothing but extinguish the flames of competitiveness.
I do not blame the players at all. This is Whiz’s team, heart and soul!
Look at the Suns, they look like a mish-mash of journeyman players, but Alvin Gentry has inspired them to go out and have fun while playing within their abilities. I praise coach Gentry for inspiring his team to greatness. Ask the Lakers, they did not like Nash, J-Rich and Hedo giggling after each tre’ last night, but all they did was, have fun.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
You keep calling for stats
Than make some inane comment about Whiz destroying the teams moral? Are you in the locker room? Are you personally talking to the players? I highly doubt it. Stop making such ludicrous claims.
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 15, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
It has nothing to do with coaching! Last year when the team had a turn over ( and there were plenty) they picked each other up. JP is the only one out there trash talking and getting fired up during warm ups. Last year there were several players doing it. Just because Warner is gone doesnt mean that you cant have heart! These guys are getting run over every week on D. Alot of teams out there that can grind out a low scoring game. We cant, cuz the D sucks and are lost. Therefore the lack of heart comes in. And just to add to some other comments from other people….why play your heart out for a HC that has sold you down the river (as some would suggest)? Because winners and people of character play their hearts out regardless! Its a losers mentality to pack it in or think that doing anything more is useless!
by willienillie on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
I don't get it.
So, you are saying that this seasons W/L record, Division Standing, Bottom of the NFL Offense stats are all the product of a winning attitude and mentality. Does not compute!
A losing mentality comes from -? I don’t know, losing? Yes that’s it, thats the ticket! We suffer from losingitus. A symptom of a losing mentality, instilled by bad coaching and poor play calling resulting in multiple losses inspite of player performance.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
a father and baby bull sit on top on a hill
looking down at a field full of women cows feeding
… don’t be the baby bull who tries to run down to fuck em all
by quid pro quo on Nov 15, 2010 6:26 AM MST up reply actions
Tackling Tackling Tackling
awful
not the worst I’ve seen from the Cards, but this puts us back a few years
How to save the Cards in 5 easy steps...
1. Fire Bill Davis. This D should be so so so much better than they are playing. It’s not all their fault – way too many short fields on Sunday – but they are a mess. There is no consistency, there is no accountability, there is no thought behind the madness. For instance, how can a team who makes Matty H look like the second coming turn around and stuff the ‘Hawks four or five straight times in the Red Zone? Ugh.
2A. Switch back to the 4-3 consistently. We don’t have the personell for the 3-4, another reason Davis has to go.
2B. Move Adrian Wilson to OLB. I love the guy, and his is my favorite jersey (after Roy Green and Jim Hart), but he can’t cover anyone anymore. He is much better against the run, rushing the passer, and occasionally covering the FB or secondary TE coming out.
4. Simplify the Offense. Why in the name of all that is holy are we still lining up with 4 and 5 WR sets? That worked with Warner, but DA and Hall are way overmatched in those situations. Why no consistent power packages, with 3TE’s and 2 RB’s? Our O-Line is best when run blocking…Faneca especially. The NYJets are a perfect example. They power run, keep it simple, and need Sanchez to not lose the game and make a couple of tight throws.
5. Bench DA. I could care less who they start (Hall or Skelton) but DA is awful. Yes his stats are improving, but he can’t make a play when we need it. Too many stupid throws, too many sacks taken, too little pocket presence, and just overall terrible decision making. I can’t watch another game when we need 3 yards and go incompletion, incompletion, sack.
Done ranting.
by Roy Green was here on Nov 15, 2010 9:49 AM MST reply actions
Trophy?
You failed to mention Step 6: Give coach Whisenhunt a trophy that has “Good Job!” inscribed on the base.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 15, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
We have 3-4 personnel..
they’re just not very good. Going back to a 4-3 only sets us back further.
Having 3-4 personnel that isn't very good...
proves my point. We have better 4-3 personnel talent wise now, than 3-4.
by Roy Green was here on Nov 16, 2010 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
We just sucked!!!
that one play where our three D players couldn’t contained their one O player as he strutted into the endzone. I am all for change next season.
McNabb; Vick; Draft or Other
I would like Vick throwing to Fitz. McNabb would be an easy draw. Not sure who else is on the FA bubble. Draft…I would wait and shore up the defense.
by Dingers Roadkill on Nov 15, 2010 11:15 AM MST reply actions
My guess is Kolb gets traded this year.
Like I said earlier, Luck/Locker can’t come soon enough, draft-wise. If they’re gone by the time we’re picking, then Quinn or Peterson. Unfortunately, there’s no quality OT really worth taking.. hopefully we won’t make the mistake of taking sub-standard talent (Levi Brown) over elite talent (Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis) because of the position they play again.
they will never trade Kolb
and they will never let Vick become a free agent … if they do anything at all they may sign and trade Vick, but, there is no reason they wouldn’t hold on to both
Quinn is interesting, but, another Cleveland castoff … allot can still happen before the end of the year, but at the very least I think we should bring in a guy like say Sage Rosenfeld (or the like)
by quid pro quo on Nov 15, 2010 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
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