The Good And The Bad From The Cardinals 27-24 4th Quarter Collapse Against Minnesota
by JoeCB1991 on Nov 7, 2010 3:57 PM MST
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PrintThere are not many ways to lose that are tougher than this. In the 4th Quarter, the Cardinals had a 24-10 lead against the Vikings with around 6 minutes left, and they stopped the Vikings on 4th down at the Arizona 1 yard line. After that, everything went downhill. They went 3 and out, then the Vikings scored on their next two drives, and forced overtime. Then the Cardinals lost in overtime after a 3 and out followed by a quick field goal drive by Minnesota. Lets take a look at some of the good and some of the bad....
Positives:
Joey Porter had his best game as a Cardinal. After promising that he would get more sacks, he racked up four of them in his last three games, and he got two of them tonight, along with several big hits and pressures on Brett Favre, including one that forced a pick in the Endzone by Rashad Johnson. He now leads the Cardinals with five sacks on the year.
More return Touchdowns. With a 96 yard Kickoff Return by LaRod Stephens-Howling, and a forced fumble by O'Brien Schofield on the opening kickoff of the second half that was returned by Michael Adams for a TD, the Cards now have 8 return TDs on the year. That leads the NFL. To put this in perspective, they also have six Passing Touchdowns, and either three of four them Rushing.
The Defense until the midway point of the 4th Quarter. What else needs to be said here, up until that point they were pressuring Favre, stopping the run, and forcing Turnovers.
Derek Anderson got off to a great start. He completed 14 of 20 passes at one point, and he made several big plays on a late drive in the first half where he ended it with a 30 yard Touchdown to Andre Roberts. But, he tailed off late in the game finishing the game with 15 completions for 179 yards on 26 attempts along with the 30 yard Touchdown.
Larry Fitzgerald had 7 catches for 107 yards in his return to his home state.
Negatives:
The Vikings had the ball for 27:13 minutes, and the Vikings had it for 38:05 minutes (counting Overtime). Now, having two return Touchdowns does affect the time, but the offense could not sustain very many drives, and this resulted in the Defense getting worn out. This could also be part of the reason that everyone forgot how to cover a receiver or tackle late in the game.
Kerry Rhodes had an early Interception that he could have returned for a Touchdown, but Greg Camarillo (I believe) forced a Fumble at the Vikings 1 yard line and it went out of the endzone for a Touchback. This cost the Cardinals 7 points, and they turned out to be vital.
The ground game was anemic. At one point Derek Anderson led the team in rushing with 16 yards. They ended the day with 21 carries for 53 yards, Beanie Wells only had one carry for a loss of two yards, and Tim Hightower only had 13 carries for 39 yards.
The Defense at the end of the game was horrible. With about four minutes left in the game, the Vikings score two Touchdowns to tie the game with 34 seconds left in the game. When you have a 14 point lead with four minutes left in the game, you have to be able to rely on the Defense to preserve the lead.
Offense in the 4th Quarter. They just could not sustain anything. I was hoping to see them run the ball a lot because I had no faith in Anderson to keep the evil little turnover machine in him from showing up, but the Cardinals could not run the ball at all. And I believe that the choice to throw a screen pass that fell incomplete was a horrible call. Just call a sneak or a run there, and you can run off 30 or 40 seconds, and Favre threw the game tying Touchdown with 34 seconds left. Horrible call, it could have even cost the Cardinals the game.
Brett Favre had a career high 446 passing yards with two Touchdowns, and he was 36 out of 47 passing. Most of his damage was one late in the game too. While the Defensive collapse made me sick, having to hear about Brett Favre leading a Favreian comeback late in the game when it felt like the Cardinals threw the game away instead of the Vikings winning it will make me even sicker. It will be tough to watch ESPN or any of the other sports analysts tonight....
So, what did you like, and what did you not like from this game?
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I like the Arizona Cardinals
But I dislike our team.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Nov 7, 2010 4:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I was gone this whole weekend
So I wasn’t able to see it. I was recording it, and was excited to watch it. Then this happened.
We can’t win the division with this type of inconsistency.
This is embarrassing. I can’t believe I’m actually losing hope.
Wait, we seriously gave Brett Farve a career high in Passing Yards?
Are you kidding me? He’s been in the NFL for 20 years, and we give him his career high? Just when I thought the Defense was good.
Seriously
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
A-Dub
The most shocking thing about Sunday’s game was the fact A-Dub was covering Percy Harvin more than once. And it was by design. He was lined up as a cover corner. I love what Wilson brings to the team but WTF? That was terrible play design..
by billydacardsfan on Nov 8, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
it's not the first time
against the vikes they knew they would see multiple packages designed for Harvin … and they idea is to get your best played on their best player
no question the defense fell apart down the stretch … but still, all the offense had to do was run the ball for one or maybe two first downs and they would have won … that last Favre TD pass was just an amazing pass, and all you can really do is tip your hat
by quid pro quo on Nov 8, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
Why?
Why did we keep giving him the ball? Makes no sense. You do not just hand the ball to Brett Favre and expect him not to beat you.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
I know it's bad.
But the offense has to take a lot of the blame for Favre’s success. The defense held the Vikings to 0 points in the first quarter, and 10 points in the first 3 1/2 quarters. They recorded two interceptions, and held the Vikings to 3 of 12 on third down. Up until the last 4 minutes, the defense was dominant.
But you can only expect so much of the defense on a day when the offense went 3 and out 5 times, and out of 10 drives, only got more than 22 yards twice. The offense went 3-13 on third down, and only got 13 first downs the whole game. The Vikings had the ball for more than 38 minutes, because the Cardinals offense was absolutely anemic. In the fourth quarter, when the game was on the line, the Cardinals went 3 and out 3 times in a row. Not a single first down in the fourth quarter.
The offense was bad. It was easy to ignore how bad it was for most of the game, because the Cardinals were fortunate enough to generate points from special teams. But it wasn’t just the defense that killed them this time. The defense is accountable for giving up those late touchdown drives, but if the offense had been able to manage even a single first down in the fourth quarter, the Cardinals would have won this game.
I think Favre had over 200 yards passing in the 4th Quarter and Overtime
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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
The man with a plan!
Who is it again, that runs the offense and calls all the plays?
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
To say that the Cards gave this game away is not accurate
it’s a combination of 2 things, the Vikings played poorly in the first half and picked it up later. The Cards did just the opposite. Personally as a Vikings fan I think that both of our teams are screwed as neither team seems to ever play up to it’s talent level.
The Vikings' defense brought it up several hundred notches in the 4th quarter.
It’s frustrating as hell to be up by 14 and see your team lay down like that. Favre played a hell of a game to get the win. It seemed like his receivers were wide open almost every play. Cardinals just got outplayed when it counted most. Sucks for us.
Wow, no INT and fumbles,
Kudo to ST. two TDs
Passing game is improving. O just couldn’t move the ball to run out the clock…..we gave the back and our D probably gassed with some miss tackles. Let’s heal up and prepare for Seahawks next week. Keep improving…
I haven't seen ANY inprovement.
we get more pathetic week after week.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 7, 2010 5:56 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
There is a combination of problems.
Dick in the Ass sucks at QB. He is so bad that teams play 8 & 9 men in the box to stop the run. When we can’t run, they rush and get sacks because they’re not afraid of us getting big plays downfield.
The poor offense leads to 3 & outs. 3 &outs lead to defensive problems. We stop the run, but but always give up big plays in the passing game. If we rush extra guys to get pressure, it leaves A-Dub 1 on 1 in the seem and he can’t cover anyone. If we blitz him, it leaves linebackers 1 on 1 in the seem—and they can’t cover anyone.
we need an offensive coordinator to call plays. Whiz is terrible at it this year. And it leads to him not being able to manage the clock at the end of halfs and games.
We need a Defensive Coordinator. Davis either big blitz’ too often or not enough. He is way too predicable. Clancy was fired after the Superbowl..because we couldn’t stop anyone. We gave up 40 plus points in both playoff games last year. another 2, 40 plus point games this year. And how many 4th quarter leads have we lost?
Special teams are pretty good. LSH is great kick returner. Graham is a very good punter and we can cover punts and kicks well. We’re a little shakey on punt returns but as long as Roberts catches the ball we’ll be ok.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 7, 2010 5:54 PM MST reply actions
of all the things
to blame … you blame DA
When DA had time to throw he was great … when they brought the pressure he struggled, as all NFL QB’s do
… and let me get this straight, he’s so bad that teams can drop an extra DB and still stop the run? … please explain your logic
My Logic is that
teams don’t respect our passing game. They leave our receivers single covered because they’re not afraid of getting beat downfield. Not because our receivers don’t get open…they do. Because our QB can’t get the ball to them even though they’re open.
Because of that—there are always 8 & 9 men in the box and we only avg 2 ypc (or so—i didn’t look up the exact stat).
Your comment of when he had time he was great….GREAT…please. He sucks. he’s the worst QB I’ve ever seen. He had time on a rollout and missed Fitz for a 30 yard gain. He hit Fitz for a 12 yard catch that the throw was so far behind him that Fitz had to stop and dive backwards to make the catch..if he was lead with that throw—it could have been a huge gain (maybe even a TD). There were many other throws that guys had to stop to wait for the ball or it was too high or too low. Very rarely does he ever put it right on the money while the the receiver catches it in stride. Not to mention that he can’t throw a short pass less than 1000mph. And he can’t seem to throw a bomb either. everytime Breaston or Fitz goes deep the ball is a line drive 20 yards over their heads instead of a long floater that they can run under.
Football is a team game. QB is the most important position. If the offense plays well—the defense will have the opportunity to play better. The defense played very well untill the 4th quarter when we had 3 3 & outs and another drive that got 1 1st down (on a spectacular diving catch by Fitz on an incredibly bad throw by DA (even though he had time).
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 8, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
2.5 yards per carry vs Minnesota.
5.2 yards per pass.
I don’t know that Anderson is the worst QB I’ve EVER seen but do agree with your assessment of his play.
well ... in a 2WR set
unless they are in a prevent defense he’s going to see an 8 man front, and depending on the down and situation he’s going to see a pre-snap 9 man front … theres no way around it, you have to be able to run against 8 and 9 man fronts … we can’t run out of the spread formation either
I’ll give you that he’s not a savvy vet that can dictate to the defense, but he has an NFL arm … and apparently you’ve never seen Matt Leinart play
I've seen Leinart play
He played Ok his rookie year. He played ok his 2nd year (half the season) until he broke his collar bone. Warner was better. Warner resumed his HOF caliber play the year after that and Leinart had to sit.
I’m aware Leinart is gone and isn’t coming back. I’m a realist. We SUCK. DA CAN NOT change that. With Hall we suck too, but at least he can learn and maybe we wont suck so much next year.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 8, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
I sure hope you are right
Davis is Whiz’s man, so I think the prospect of looking for a new DC this year is not likely. They need to look, but I doubt they do. The bad play at QB is hiding the other flaws with this team…inconsistent D being one of them.
I seriously think we are the worst team in the NFL. If it wasn’t for the Hyphen and the amazing fumble returns we would be 0-8. We suck….we can’t run the ball worth a shit and can’t throw the ball….We can’t close games off when we are ahead…our defense always fucks up…What hurt us is going 3 and out the last three drives, we should of ran the damn clock……sorry just so mad….piss poor
Hoooowwwwll!
I’m gonna work out my Cards angst by voting again and again and again for LaRod for Pro-Bowl Special Teams.
Again and again and again. He is the bright spot on this team.
You are forgetting about Carolina
If you thought our QB situation was a mess, look at what the duo of Clausen and Moore has done so far…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Carolina is a mess
Our QB situation is hiding the other flaws on our team. Carolina is in a sticky mess, the running game they do have, that I am still waiting for in AZ, is decimated by injury.
I was laughing
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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Their two main backs are injured
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
One worse!
The Carolina Panthers are the only team in the entire NFL with a worse offense than the Arizona Cardinals. Look it up!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
It really sucks that I can't gloat
about how badly the Cowboys Suck.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 7, 2010 9:03 PM MST reply actions
They should take away all of their prime time games for the rest of the year
Besides Thanksgiving and Christmas, because watching them lose is just a gift to the entire country while they eat their holiday dinner.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Checking in for the last time here to say great game guys. Though I know you guys are thinking anything but great game. Believe me as a Viking fan I can relate, we’ve been punched in the gut by our team too many times this season too, and I can guess exactly how you feel, at 3-5. Just want to say great game fan-to-fan. The Ask A Norseman & out threads discussion were great. Good luck to you in the rest of your season. Please wish us luck in ours too. Both of our teams need it :(
by puddnhead on Nov 7, 2010 9:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks man, you're a class act
And like I said on Daily Norseman, Favre and the rest of the team better appreciate this win and pick it up a notch for the rest of the season. Good luck.
by CanadianCard on Nov 7, 2010 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
The sad thing for the Viking fan in the win yesterday...
is it probably bought Chilly some time. Had you guys lost, you would be out of a head coach. Unless Ziggy’s plan is to move the team to LA and keeping Chilly is part of that master plan.
:)
i think you guys played one heck of a team, despite what their record is the minnesota vikings are a team over populated with talent and you guys almost pulled out a victory
by Carlitin1988 on Nov 7, 2010 9:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Good job,Whiz!
We continue to lose by design!
The Cards lost because that is the way Whiz drew it up on the game plan.
The Arizona special teams scored 17 points while the offense was only able to muster 7. The best way for coach Whiz to take another game away from the W column and move it over to the L column was to keep putting the ball back in the hands of Farve.
Instead of going for ball control and running time off the clock, Whiz kept engineering quick 3 and outs. Farve came through for Whiz.
Any other HC would dial up plays to push the ball methodically forward to move the chains and burn the clock. Whiz did the opposite. Run up the middle, run up the middle, pass to receiver short of marker and punt. Each Cardinal possession took about two minutes off the clock then handed the ball back to the Vikings.
Whiz hid his devious intention pretty well, but when you look back and think about how the Cards stopped competing and scoring, it becomes clear. If the Red Birds were able to maneuver into field goal range the game would have been iced. It became obvious that the intent was to get the ball back in Farve’s hands as quickly as possible. Mission accomplished!
Whiz gets his L and chance for a high draft pick in next years NFL Draft. With a high profile QB from the college ranks, Whiz can insure himself job security as the driving force in developing this new stud. He created the QB crisis with the release of Leinart, now he wants to sell himself as the only guy who can fix the problem he created. Great plan if he gets away with it.
The big stumbling block is the questionable play calling from the very first game of this season. Any HC with a grain of talent would have the Cards in first place in the NFC West at this point, with Leinart it would have been a lock, without Leinart it has been more difficult but looking back at the play calling, Arizona should still be on top by at least one game, if the HC wanted to win instead of insuring losses and a great draft pick.
That is why I am ferocious in my commitment to have Whiz fired. If he is guilty of manufacturing a losing season, he is the worst kind of cheat, if not he is simply the worst HC in the NFL. In either case, it is time to pull the plug on this experiment known as "The Whiz". Let’s see what happens with a different head coach and the same talent?
I bet the difference would mean an overnight turnaround, both in terms of wins and team morale.
Coach Whiz’s approach to solving issues with talented players is to punish them with bench time and refusing to communicate with them, then allow them to leave or waive them. He has hurt this franchise by losing great talent in order to raise his image as a "no nonsense" head coach. Insane, narcisistic head coach would be a better discription.
I repeat, we would be much better off if we cut our losses and fired "The Whiz" immediately. Let some fresh air in and the healing will begin. We Cardinals fans deserve better, much, much better!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 7, 2010 11:25 PM MST reply actions
I was a Leinart supporter
But how do you know we would be a lock in the NFC West with him?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
He knew what to do.
Leinart was smart enugh and learned enough from Warner to change plays at the line. Leinart was not one to blindly throw a pass into coverage. He had learned that lesson in seasons past. He is a true touch passer. Give Leinart a couple of decent receivers and he will make things happen. D.A and Hall do not have one tenth of Leinert’s talent or ability to complete passes.
This will prove itself to be true in Houston in the near future. The naysayers will be astonished and look at each other quizically and remark: “Who knew?”
Mark my words.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 1:21 AM MST up reply actions
Matt Leinart is a 3rd stringer ... maybe
On his best day
He doesn’t read defenses well or quickly enough, he has slow foot speed, he’s not particularly athletic, he has a slow release, he telegraphs passes and stares down his receivers, he has slow velocity on his passes, and and inability to get the ball to open receivers … and finally, he shows poor timing on timing routes
… I honestly am not sure what he does well … he did show improvement every year during training camp in Flag, but just enough to keep his roster spot, and never enough to warrant a starting job
by quid pro quo on Nov 8, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
I thought Leinart showed some promise in his rookie year
But besides that, and the 2009 Titans game that we should have won, nobody knows if he would have been good or not this year.
Sure, we could be on top of the NFC West with him, but we could also be on the bottom. You do not know for a fact that Leinart would be such a huge improvement over DA right now.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Fear!
Hall and D.A. do whatever Whiz tells them. They fear for their careers. If Whiz says throw the ball into tight situations, it goes up for grabs, no questions asked. The beauty of this is that they will always accept responsibility for the result of the throw and never question the “Whizdom” of the play call. This leaves the head coach without blood on his hands. Or so he thinks, but some of are not kids, and have been watching the NFL forever. We seasoned citizens are a bit harder to fool.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 1:29 AM MST up reply actions
Doctor
You seriously need to have your doctor up your meds. Or have him check for the onset of dementia. You are off your friggin rocker.
by billydacardsfan on Nov 8, 2010 4:48 AM MST up reply actions
Whiz, not well!
It is coach whiz that has reality perception problems, not I. As it was Kurt Warner driving the Super Bowl Express, not Whiz. If the HC is so damn good, why are we coming from ahead to lose, week in and week out?
It was Warner that took us to the playoffs, not Whiz. I’m sure Whiz appreciates your blind and nieve support. We now have a chance to evaluate the Head Coaching abilities of the Whiz with Warner gone. It is not working out for me. Despite your allegations, I do not not suffer from narcissism and paranoia that ultimately affect my perception of reality. I do, however, question the sanity of Whiz and his supporters.
Whiz, designed the QB corps. He ejected Leinart without venting him on the field. He installed three QBs that he hand picked to lead the Cardinals offense, and he took over the OC play calling responsibilities. These simple facts make it impossible to remove Whiz from blame. They are equivalent and indistinguishable from one another. 2010 Cardinal Fiasco = Coach Whiz with 100% Control.
The cool-aid you are drinking is laced with stupid juice. I’d lay off and dry out if I were you. My meds have to do with cholesterol and blood pressure. You and Whiz need something to alter your reality and spin you back to the world of 2010/2011 NFL Regular Season Football reality. Accept the fact that this is a crisis by Whiz’s design. He alone is responsible for the hand picked QBs and the offense that goes almost scoreless each game. If it were not for Special Team scoring and Defensive Team scoring, you would be shocked at the 2010 Cardinals Offensive Team total scoring under the direction of “The Whiz”.
The Whiz has no hand in Special Teams FGs, Kick return scores or even PATs. He has nothing to do with Defensive saftys or fumbles run in by the Cardinals’ Defense. He has nothing to do with interceptions by Arizona backs that are returned for scores.
Coach Whiz is only responsible for each six points the Cardinals score with a touchdown. Add all those up for the season and devide the total by the number of games played so far this season. How does he stack up against the other HCs and OCs throughout the league?
If this does not convince you that he is not up to the job then there is no hope, even with dope.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Calling out Whiz for doing a bad job is one thing,
saying he’s losing on purpose is another.
IT"S ASININE.
He screwed up the QB situation. He’s calling way too many passes (although our run game sucks too). But he wants to win.
Some of the points you make are good. But I can’t take you seriously and I doubt anyone else can either when you say moronic stuff like that.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Nov 8, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
I'm wondering if McNabb can pull a Moss...
Donovan is in AZ this week for the Skins bye…I think he can run a 2-minute better than DA…….
but according to Shanahan
McNabb can’t run a 2 minute drill better than Rex “Sex Cannon” Grossman. So should we try for him instead?
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
by robloosli on Nov 8, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
why would McNabb want to come here
when we can’t run the ball for shit … you think Favre would be in MN if it wasn’t for AD and that offensive line?
by quid pro quo on Nov 8, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
I hate these freaking spambots
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Some positives
Good article Joe, it was hard watching the game yesterday, and later all the highlights on NFL Network, ESPN, and everywhere talking about the great comeback… I liked what coach Whiz did this morning focusing on the positives (at least he did that in front of the cameras), they didn’t finish the job, but it was the best I’ve seen the team play all year, as long as we can eliminate turnovers we can be competitive… but I have good news for you, the cardinals have the easiest schedule for the second part of the season, and they control their future, with the division games remaining, there are five home games and visits to Carolina and San Francisco, I think the Cardinals are in a good position to make a run at the division… It hurts to be a fan right now, but most people are acting like we have been winning for a long time, we had a good two year run, but it is over, we are a team in transition, but still have a chance, and both Whiz and the players need our suport next sunday… I have been a fan for a long time, and will still be even after back to back tough loses, it´s not like the Cardinals haven’t broken our hearts before, but they still have a very good chance, and now is time to look at the positives and win those reamining games, with what we have, overcome adversity and hopefully get to 8 wins, I think that is what is needed to win the division…BTW, for all of you bashing Whisenhunts play calling, sorry but with Anderson at QB and no running game, the options are very limited GO CARDINALS
paco cabrera
by pacocab on Nov 8, 2010 12:26 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Who?
I was just wondering, who was the idiot that put Anderson in the starting QB position with Hall and Skelton as backups in the first place? Right, no reason to bash Whiz, it is Andersons fault.
We lost, after leading 24-10, how is that an improvement again? Our Offense scored once, who the hell is calling the plays anyway?
No, I refuse to accept that there is an upside to Whiz this year. I beleive he had very little to do with our playoff runs with Warner at the helm, and saving Whiz’s butt by changing plays at the line.
Coach Whiz, a legend in his own mind, and apparently yours also. A legendary loser perhaps, that I could agree on!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Let's go back to Deny Green for a change, or how about Buddy Ryan
Dave McInnis, or Vince Tobin… maybe Joe Bugel… if you really think Hall and Skelton are that much better than Derek Anderson, you haven’t been wathing the games, Hall was awfull in Seattle and even worst against Tampa, and Skelton, played college in Fordham, from Fordham to the NFL it is a big leap… it is ok if you don’t wan to suppor Whiz, but please be objective, you sound more like a bandwagoner than a long time cardinals fan… we lost badly to a very talented Vikings team, it wasn’t a good game, but we have had worse games this season (think atlanta, san diego, seattle or even the tampa game), the offense doesn’t have a great QB, is’t hard to win in this league without one, we are not the Steelers to win with deffense, just look at what is happening to the Cowboys, and please don’t fool your self over Matt Leinart, he never showed anything, he is still third string in Houston, this is what we have, and with that we can still win the division, I am not talking super bowl or anything, but this is the nfc west, even the 49ers, have a chance right now…you can hate on Whiz but you can’t deny that with mostly the same players Deny Green had for three years the results were very different, just sayin… GO CARDINALS
paco cabrera
Stop the going back!
I know it could be worse, we could be soccer fans. This, however, is the NFL and if success is possible with change now, then we must make a friggen change. Plenty of time in the season to revamp our play calling and offensive stratagy. We can make the playoffs, but not with the current HC calling the shots. We have had too many wounded as it is.
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
that looks like the old daniel snyder strategy, a coaching carousel
You just don’t change coaches in the middle of the season, that is not the way it works, it may have happened, not that I remember, but changing coaches and getting instant results is not happening, that’s why they work all offseason in the game plan this is not the NBA or MLB where you can just bring in a new guy and expect to win… my point going back is to show that he accomplished what many couldn’t before him… we have never had stability since the team moved to Arizona, this is the first time, we can not throw it to the garbage can, and start all over…
paco cabrera
Its a miracle.
This may be the shortest post you’ve ever done on this site. I actually almost read the whole thing. Maybe you should start your own website so that you could write as much as you wanted and anyone who cared would probably read it. Maybe.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Maybe you should do some research
And write something more interesting than just posting questions, I am a fan and last I checked this was a page for the fans, so if you don’t want to read it… well just don’t read it, is not like I read everything you post… and don’t worry when you and the rest of the bandwagoners leave this place we won’t miss you… GO CARDINALS
paco cabrera
Apparently you thought I was talking to you.
Follow the line and you will see this for Retiree.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Besides, I think I might have been here longer than you.
Definitely not a Bandwagoner.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
No prob. Let's kiss and make up now.
xoxoxoxo
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Hey stop, don't move!
If you get out of the line of fire I might get hit!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
+1000
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Im amazed you admit to actually reading any of retirees posts
Theyre all basically different versions of the same tyrade. I think Ive read only two rants because all that reading made me sleepy and I had to take a nap halfway thru. I can only imagine the kids and grandkids love coming to visit and having to listen to gramps criticisize them
HardHate does the exact same thing
The only difference with Retiree is that he hates Whiz and loves Leinart while HardHate just has an obsessive hatred for Leinart.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
In my day---
I piss them off by sending them outside to play, when all they want to do is play video games. Then I have a hard time getting them to leave because they are having too much fun playing football and basketball with the neighborhood kids. You’re right though, if it were not for this cranky old man they would vegitate into limp wristed panty wastes. My bad!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
I think a lot of fans are frustrated.
I like the fact we didn’t have any TO. I don’t think we have the personnels to run or defense to stop anybody. But I like the fact that we still have 8 games with 5 against division opponents. Let’s wait til end of season to make judgement on Whiz. I agree with AZ Retiree that Whiz shouldn’t hastily let Leinart go without giving half a season to prove his worth like we are giving Whiz a full season to prove himself as HC.
Only 4 divisional games left.
We’ve already played the Rams and Seahawks so far.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
OK
There are half a season of games to lose. I would rather hire a HC now and try and salvage this season. It is obvious that Whiz does not know how to win, or evaluate talent. Why would you name a guy the #3 QB then claim he is too green and unservicable. Makes no sense. The #3 QB is supposed to be the ultimate safty net, not an untouchable commodity like a Fabrage’ Egg. Careful it might get damaged.
Wake up people!
by Arizona Retiree on Nov 8, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Short and sweet!
This season so far under Whiz’s direction:
Only one team has a worse offense, more INTs and less rushing and passing TDs. That would be the Carolina Panthers. There is time and I have faith that Whiz can beat them to cellar, in time for the next NFL draft.
Arizona is dead last in the entire NFL in time of possession. That is the sign of great offensive play calling if there ever was one. Can you say “Three and out?”
Keep it up Whiz and you will convert more to the Hater Bandwagon, “Dump the Whizzer!”
Lets say the Cardinals make the playoffs. How many games would they win?
Because theyd host a home game Id say mabye 1. But then they have to go on the road and would get handled. Im with all of you blaming the playcalling. For whatever reason Whiz thinks he needs to throw the ball in all situations
I seriously doubt any change in the coaching position until the end of season.
MAYBE, just MAYBE, we can go after wade phillips for DC. I heard he is good at being DC, not sure if he is….
Id take Wade
Hes a great D Coordinator, just not a good head coach.
It was Wade's Defense that gave up three games with over 35 points scored by the other team
Collinsworth was talking about how predictable his defensive playcalling was last night too. I bet that we would still see the same problems with Wade that we would see with Davis.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
It was Wades D that gave up all those points.
There is a lot more to deal with when your the head coach of a team as opposed to just worrying about 1 of the 3 aspects of the team. He has shown over the years that he is a solid defensive coordinator. Its embarassing when Brett Favre has been around 20 years and he throws for a career-high. At the age of 41.
If it does happen
Don’t even think about it during the season though.
The Defense would be even worse if they had to learn a whole new system in the middle of the season.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I agree,
you cant shake this thing up in the middle of the season just because of how bad this division is. But some hard long looks on both sides of the ball need to be made this comming off-season
I wonder?
Think Kurt Warner would take a shot at being HC? Let him hire new OC and DC. Kurt would be great at evaluating QB talent and inspiring the entire team into following his direction. I bet the cards would turn this season around in a hurry.
Sorry, I must have dozed off for a second. I was dreaming about Warner, dancing on the sideline with his wife, dressed in a tux. He was smiling and calling plays with hand gestures as he turned his dance partner. It was a beautiful thing to watch. The score board read ARZ 45 VISITOR 3
Great player =/= good head coach
Mike Singletary was one of the best Linebackers of all time, but look at how he has done as a head coach. He can’t get it done.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Wow Retiree you actually came up with a great idea, kudos
I like it, Warner did draw up quite a few plays that the team used when he was playing.
I'll say again
Kurt was not a popular locker room guy … he had the wrap of ‘doing no wrong’ and pointing fingers … but his play on the field often curbed locker room issues
Kurt probably has a better shot as an announcer or a reality TV star than he does as a coach
Seemed like everyone liked hin to me
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
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