Arizona Cardinals Question Of The Day: Will The Sellout Streak End This Year?
As many of you know, the fanbase for a lot of teams in Arizona is considered to be poor. A lot of people who live here are from other states and they keep their loyalties with the team from their original state, and many of the fans of Arizonan teams are considered to be bandwagoners or fair weather fans. Sometimes it seems like the people here just move back and forth between being fans of whichever team is playing the best, and when that team starts to play badly again they move on to the next team that is playing well. Right now, some people in the media (like Florio) are predicting that with the return to the "Same 'Ol Cardinals" we will see a return to the days when the team played at Sun Devil Stadium when the place would usually be half empty.
I would personally be disgusted by the fanbase if this happens. I am someone who will keep watching any of the teams that play here no matter how bad they get. And I do watch every team that plays in Arizona, the Cardinals, the Suns, the Coyotes, the Diamondbacks. I even watch the Mercury and the Rattlers. I believe that you should stand behind the teams in your state and root for them even when times are tough, and I still get mad after any defeat even if the season itself is already lost. I am also going to have tickets to the game against the Broncos (thanks to CardsFan08) and I would still go even if the Cardinals have lost every game this season before it to cheer them on.
A sight that I never want to see again.
True story. I went to all of the home games for my old High School (McClintock) this season, they got off to a 2-2 start including a 59-0 butt-whoopin' of their rival Tempe High, following that they lost six in a row including a game that went to overtime because they had a 25 yard field goal blocked on the final play in regulation, they then went on to lose after being unable to score during their possession after the other team had already scored a Touchdown during theirs to begin overtime. I could have stayed home because of how badly they were playing during that six game losing streak, but I still kept going so I could cheer them on, and even after the losses I would go up to the sidelines after the game was ended and join some of the other students in giving the players high fives while they walked off the field.
I did that because I think it is what fans should do. You cheer when good things happen, you boo when bad things happen, but no matter what you always support your team. Now most of us on this site are the diehards who will always support the Cardinals even during the bad times. Most of us were probably watching during those bad times when most of the games were getting blacked out. But you can't say the same about some of the current fans, the ones who only watch because of the 2008 season. It is an embarrassment when you look at how some fanbases will still sell out their stadiums and be loud even during the bad times (Chiefs fans last season are a pretty good example).
So, I ask you, what do you think will happen now? Will the sellout streak continue and will people still support the team? Or will University of Phoenix Stadium be half full during home games next year or even during the last batch of home games this year?
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Most likely it will continue this season. The season tickets and ticket packages are already sold. The real question is how bad will season ticket sales be this offseason. If there’s a significant drop we’ll probably see quite a few non-sell outs next season.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 1, 2010 11:47 AM MST reply actions
FLORIO
If I see the name Florio, I know it’s bs every time. I won’t view the PFT site, and I can’t stand to see the guy on Sunday night Football. Total cards hater. All he does is try to stir the pot with bashing articles on the cards. This was even when they were doing good.
I am quite sure that a lot of other cards fans feel the same way.
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
When you see this guy and many of the tools out there, you end up asking yourself this question....
How do I get a gig like that????
This is one of those guys where I see the name and I just walk away….Doesn’t matter what he’s writing about (it could even be a positive story about the Cards), his opinion is irrelevant to me…
Almost everyone that leaves comments on there bashes him too.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Dec 1, 2010 2:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
well the cards are easy to bash...
the franchise was/is a disaster, people are going to assume that things are the same until the cards fix things long term.
The only reason the Cards might sell out all the rest of the games this year
is because they play the Rams (division foe/lead), the Broncos (pretty big fanbase in AZ from what I’ve seen), and the Cowboys (even though they suck, it’s the freakin Cowboys and it’s a holiday game).
If the Cards/Panthers game was in Phoenix there’s no way they sell that game out. I’m not guaranteeing they’ll sell out the next three, it’s very likely one won’t, but they’ve at least got the upcoming teams they’re playing to thank for that.
I bet that one is getting blacked out in Carolina.
Might be another 6-3 game like the Bills-Browns game (Where DA was 2 of 17 for 23 yards and a pick. Along with a glorious QB rating of 15.1.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Strictly my own opinion...
I think the Cards have got something going down behind the scenes where at least for this season, the sell-outs continue and they have sponsorships buying up the remaining seats so its not one of those media events publicized on Thu…..The TB, Seattle & SF games were sell-outs and there were empty seeds in the nose-bleeds….I also know first hand that they are working the phones trying to get a lot of community groups to games and are offering up deals…..
In a larger sense, I think this talk is pre-mature.
if the losing continues for another few years, then yes, the fan-base will dwindle. I don’t think it will go back to the Sun Devil days, as the venue is first rate, and they have built up some good will from the last 2 years (3 if you count the 8-8 season) which has brought in new fans. This town has always been about going with the winner….I don’t like saying that, but until proven otherwise, it is what it is….I think we’ll be back…GO CARDS!!
There is a BIG difference between a "sellout" and a "capacity crowd"
All a sell out means is that they’ve sold all of the tickets. That has nothing to do with the number of people who show up to the game.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 1, 2010 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
excellent point
but the emphasis has always been on ‘sell-outs’ – probably because that’s how the black-out rule is enforced.
You never hear ‘50th straight capacity crowd’..
The Miami Heat have sold out all of their games
But people aren’t going. You see a lot of empty seats at their home games, and they sent out that “fan up” video so their fans would behave more fanlike.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Probably not, for all the fans that bash the Cards and "refuse to support a losing team", there are twice as many that still do.
At least a little more. lol
I think most of the fans that are panicking over this season are the 15 year olds that became die hard fans 2 years ago, and the rest are the long tenured fans that are afraid to going back to a doormat. I honestly believe this will all be turned around next season. The coaches and FO know if they want to keep there jobs, and a couple of star players, they have to make changes this offseason, and they need to be some damn good ones. And after all the turnover and new players, without having a real playmaker/ leader at QB, you had to have seen a bad season coming. I didn’t think it would be this bad, but I didn’t think we had a chance to finish 8-8. I thought 6-10, but not possibly finishing with only 3 wins. And on a side note, hopefully Grimm gets the HC gig in Carolina. After 4 years, and a top 5 pick for Levi Brown (could have been AP), he hasn’t done jack shit with the O-line. He’s lucky Warner had a quick release and made the line look decent. But after a good draft, this season, the Cards (and the rest of the NFC West) look primed to be competitive for years to come. A lot of young talent developing this season. And maybe a losing season is good for the young players contributing that came aboard from ‘07 to now. They’ve been brought up in a winning environment, which is good, but now they know they don’t have a future HOF QB leading them anymore, and the onus is on them to step up and bring the franchise back to glory. Some coaching changes will be nice as well (BYE BILLY!)! Sorry about the rant, but I’m an optomist, and a realist.
I'm ready for Grimm and Davis to go....
I just haven’t seen the value….I could be wrong, but I never understood the ‘Run Coordinator’ and ‘Pass Coordinator’ thing…..seems more like a good old boy network thing…
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I will continue to support the team
as long as I can put meals on the table for my family…
I was born and raised in Phoenix and this is not a real sports town.
There are plenty of real fans here, but for every native that supports the Arizona teams there is a native who is a Lakers/Cowboys fan. I literally cant go one day without seeing a Pittsburgh Steelers sticker on someones car. I know there are a lot of transplants here, but not everyones from Pittsburgh. You know what I never see? A Pittsburgh Pirates sticker. A Detriot Lions sticker. Whenever Im talking to a Steeler fan ablout how they became such, the answer is that “they grew up watching the Steelers.” Its funny because I remember it being mostly Cowboy games or Rams games(when they were in LA) on tv. They showed “regional” games like they still do today. So saying they grew up watching the Steelers is a terrible lie. Some of you may not like that I say this is not a real sports town, but its not. In New York, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Anderson would not still be starting, and theyd allready be talking about who to get to replace Whisenhunt
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 1, 2010 5:18 PM MST reply actions
+1, Tucson is the same.
I grew up in New England and it’s nothing like Arizona when it comes to sports. If you weren’t a Patriots / Redsox / Bruins / Celtics fan you were just plain wrong. No matter how cynical and critical you were with regard to the home team you still supported them. It wasn’t about cherry picking some team you saw on monday night football because you liked the logo or something.
Drives me crazy.
I simply can’t stand all the Lakers/Yankees/Steelers fans we have to put up with in Arizona.
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
In one of my classes, a guy in there brings a Detroit Lions cup into class with him
He also wears a Detroit Tigers cap.
Agreed with you on the fans too.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
A guy I work with from Detroit too and is all about the Lions, Pistons, etc.
But for every 1 fan like him I know 5 Cowboy/Packer/Steeler fans that have never been outside of Arizona.
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 1, 2010 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
I mean this team needed like a freakin 2 day extension to sell out its first home playoff game ever
And still needed a pool company to buy a block of tickets just so it wouldnt be blacked out here. Then they sell the NFC Championship game out in like 7 minutes. Thats the definition of bandwagon
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 1, 2010 5:34 PM MST reply actions
Well, it's a bandwagon city that doesn't have the same spirit, passion, and tradition as other cities when it comes to local sports clubs
I think that could change if the Cardinals win a Superbowl.
That would help speed things along.
But the problem isn’t that Arizona’s fans are apathetic. It’s that they’re apathetic about THE CARDINALS, specifically. And the reason they’re apathetic about the Cardinals is because they’re Steelers fans. Or Cowboys fans. Or Broncos. Or Packers, Patriots, Chargers, Bears, Vikings, Browns, Giants, Ravens, Redskins, Dolphins, Saints, Colts, Raiders, 49ers. Or any team but the Cardinals.
The Cardinals winning a Super Bowl won’t make a 49ers fan into a Cardinals fan.
Rediculous!
This question about “Sell outs” makes no sense! Lets talk Cardinals football or the lack thereof. How about a question for the fans, like myself, who wear Cardinals gear in public. We suffer in private over the piss poor play, terrible coaching and unintelligible play calling.
Do the die hard Cardinals fans think the season was tanked on purpose? Is the failure due to an inept head coach? Was Warner’s play changes, at the line of scrimmage, hiding Wisenhunts lack of talent?
I want a coaching staff and team that inspires hope by executing smash mouth fundamentals along with grit and determination. I want ingenious and devious play calling.
Joe, you keep bringing up some body called “Hard Hat” in reference to my posts. I don’t get what that means, but I do get that you are not much of a NFL football fan if you accept what Whisenhunt brings to the table. You can not be a true Cardinals fan if you think this is, in any way, a season that is to be enjoyed, much less tolerated.
Joe, you stick up for “The Whiz” and claim you are a fan. That in itself, proves that you sir, are a fraud! No “fan” could allow himself to promote the very ingredient that has tainted and ruined a perfectly good football team. Everything wrong with the Arizona Cardinals can be traced back to Whisenhunt’s coaching approach, personell decisions, play calling and coaching staff recruitment.
Get real Joe, or are you afraid to speak like a true fan. Everyone else is pissed off and you still stick to the “Whiz is a great coach!” line. Die hard Cardinals fans just ain’t buying that garbage.
You attempt to diminish me, for speaking the truth as I see it. The readers are beginning to understand the point I am making. Something is seriously wrong with the Cardinals and Whisenhunt is to blame along with Bidwell for allowing this travisty to continue. This is an embarrassment for Arizona and all it’s football fans. Every week we are humiliated on national television, and you still support Whiz. Thanks for the knife in the back Brutus, er JoeCB.
by Arizona Retiree on Dec 1, 2010 10:58 PM MST reply actions
HardHat was a man who hated Matt Leinart with every fiber of his being
And every time he posted something, it mentioned Leinart. He also hated Jerheme Urban, Early Doucet, Edge, and a couple of other players.
And yes, I believe that Whisenhunt is a good coach but I am very unhappy with this season. You think that they are tanking the season on purpose, I think that is something that is insane to even consider. I put this season all on the sharp decline in Quarterback play (Anderson) and the loss of several players from the last couple of years.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Dec 1, 2010 11:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Loss of players?
They were not lost, they were pushed out the door! The blood is on the hands of Whisenhunt and Bidwell. Seriously, any other owner would have run Whiz out of town for his play calling alone. Couple that with his lack of people skills and the fact that he is void of passion for football. I have never seen a head coach so unattached to emotion.
by Arizona Retiree on Dec 2, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
Dansby and Rolle were offered almost as much money from the Bidwells as they were offered from their new teams.
Boldin would have never resigned here because of how frustrated he was with the ownership.
They were not pushed out the door.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
HardHat
http://www.azcentral.com/members/User/HardHat
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Now this is getting absurd
If you’re going to try and use logic, at least don’t make yourself sound like a political talking head spewing “support this bill or you hate America” garbage. The leash on head coaching in this league has never been shorter, but the fact that, to you and the like minded “true” or “die hard” Cardinals fans, Whiz is a problem that needs to be solved is just short sighted and lacks a sense of perspective. Whiz is not a God and has some notable flaws that have come out this season, and no one to my knowledge is disputing this. But what coach outside of Foxboro doesn’t?
We are not the Steelers. We are not the Cowboys. We are not the Patriots. This organization pre recent memory has more or less been a tire fire, with the occasional days where less of the toxic rubber fumes get inhaled. This isn’t a plug and play Patriots or Colts or Steelers system where we can just fill the holes and keep plugging along like nothing ever happened. This organization simply doesn’t have that sway. To believe two solid years of success changes all that is unrealistic. We are going to still have down times. The team is still owned by the Bidwells, and that is something no one can do anything about.
In my mind he needs to get a OC and stop calling plays. He needs to hire a real D-Coordinator. But until this year, he overachieved with every team he had. The team may have had stars, but even with glaring holes and depth issues we all know what happened the last two years. We’re really going to run out the coach who gave us the most successful two year stretch in 40 years of the franchise because he followed it with a really (really) bad year, a year in which we lost 4 big name players and football pundits across the country saw coming?
We all talk about changing the culture with this team. I think two years of success is a bit early to proclaim change. It’s definatelly a good way to start, but assuming we’ll be competing for the dvision every year at this point is just premature. Whiz isn’t perfect, but we could also do a lot, LOT worse.
by SenSurround on Dec 2, 2010 9:25 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Sinking ship!
The Arizona cardinals are the Titanic. Bidwell is the Captain. Whisenhunt, for all practical purposes is the First Mate, acting at the pleasure of the Captain. Joe CB is the conductor, orchestrating the ships music as a distraction.
The fans are the passengers on this cruise ship, and it is sinking quickly. We all have a choice. Either board one of the 31 life boats provided by the NFL or go down with the ship. I did not sign on for a suicide mission, I just wanted to go on holiday with a fine NFL product.
Going down with the ship is Bidwell’s place. He can order Whisenhunt and his other henchmen to join him but the fans owe the crew nothing. It is the other way around.
Most Cardinals fans are not foolish and will opt to save their NFL football lives and abandon ship. Those who remain on board will simply be populating a ship of fools.
Do not listen to the music of JoeCB, it is a distraction to hide the tragedy unfolding before our very eyes.
I say save yourself and your family. Let the NFL lifeboats transport you to a place where you can view the demise of the Cardinals from afar. A place where NFL football is played to win and with passion. A place of elegance, with fine dining and music that is enjoyable, that you can actually dance to. NFL cruise ships that cater to your every need, including smash mouth football, if that be your cup of tea. If you prefer ariel warfare, there are ships for that, you name it and there are 31 other NFL cruise lines waiting to spirit you away from the lost cause known as the Arizona Cardinals.
The damage has been done and we fans have had enough. If, in the future, the ship is recovered and salvaged, we will be watching intently. If the ownership refurbishes and receives a clean bill of health, we may return. The most important aspect would be replacing the Captain and entire crew with people who truely care about us passengers. They must win us back by taking steps to show they value us! A start would be catering to our every need, as far as football is concerned.
Time to abandon ship fellow passengers, you are being played for fools. Going down with the ship is for Bidwell and his bunch. We are the heros who must survive to enjoy another day elsewhere. Good luck and God bless you and your NFL loving families. Please, enjoy the best football weather you can find out there. There is something for everyone, except in Arizona!
You should already be disgusted with Arizona's fanbase.
But not because they might fail to sell out a Cardinals game at some point.
Don’t be disgusted with the people who have been buying tickets because some of them aren’t buying tickets anymore. Tickets are expensive, and not all fans live near Glendale. Very few people are capable of attending every single game, even if they wanted to. Why shouldn’t people be more likely to go to more games when the team is performing well? It adds value to the ticket.
Don’t be disgusted with those people who only go to two games a year instead of three. Be disgusted with the people who never bought tickets in the first place. Be disgusted with the people who only buy tickets with the Cowboys are in town, and who show up wearing Tony Romo jerseys. If we don’t sell out, those people are the ones to blame. Not the actual Cardinals fans.
Fans of every sports team are going to be less likely to watch when the team is losing. Even the Cowboys and Steelers. The difference is that even if the Cowboys perform so badly that only 50% of their ticket-buying fans are interested in watching a game, they still have more than enough fans in Dallas to sell out.
Arizona doesn’t have that luxury. But it’s not primarily because of the fans who buy tickets. It’s because of the fans who don’t. Arizona is full of Cowboys, Steelers, Packers, Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers, Lakers, Spurs, and Bulls fans. For every Cardinals fan you meet, you’ll find three fans of other teams. Those people are the reason we barely sell out games. They’re the ones who give all Arizona sports fans a bad name. Blame them.
by Vaegrin on Dec 2, 2010 9:43 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Of course
Those fans are much worse.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Unless Kurt Warner comes back it does...
I have been and still am a Cardinal fan since 1979! There is plenty of blame to go on for this season. It starts with owner, upper management, and the coach. I am sick of hearing about how good Whisenhunt is! Sick of it!!! Tell me does a good coach get blown out on several occasions? Remember that even when the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl they was getting blown out going to the east coast? Bidwells are tight people when it comes to their money! Always have been and always will be! Why do you think they aren’t in St. Louis anymore? It wasn’t the biggest mistake letting a few players go but letting Anquan go was huge! They had an exciting offense and no matter what, people would come just to see that! No one and I mean no one could cover Fitz and Q! The second biggest mistake was paying Leinert all those years plus him getting tutored by Kurt Warner and then just dumping him for Derek and two rookies. This is where the coach comes in! He will never admit it but I guarantee Whisenhunt regrets that decision! You can say whatever that he is a third string with Houston and all that, but ask Kurt Warner what he though of Leinert. I know everyone is sick of hearing it but its the truth. He may have not ever been the successor that we were looking for but any idiot knows he was better than what we have right now! Skelton may one day be great but bringing him in could also ruin him! The truth is if Arizona doesn’t sign a big time qb in the offseason, there will be a lot of people leaving the desert! I am most certain that Fitz won’t stay long. Grimm was supposed to help them run the ball. He plain and simple sucks! Davis is much worse than Pendergast! Why hasn’t he been fired. They had the ball ran down their throat on Monday night! The score could have been much worse. The simple and honest truth is that this team is living off Dennis Greens draft picks! Calvin Pace is doing pretty good! Look at the draft that Dennis has had compared to Whisenhunt! Just go back and look! Whiz drafted that DT out of Tennessee this year and what has he done? He hasn’t really started playing until late. Suh and that Buccs DT has been playing all year. All I can say is get ready for many years of losing. Any one want to lose a bet? I bet your all popular Whisenhunt is gone by the end of next year if they don’t sign a big name qb! The Cards are headed downhill in a snowstorm and the ball is getting bigger!
by Missouri Buckhunters on Dec 2, 2010 10:12 AM MST reply actions

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