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So much for being optimistic


So after optimistically thinking we could win out and make something of this season..... The Carolina game happened.... I will continue my post after the jump...

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I looked at our schedule after the victory over Denver and thought we had a chance to go 7-9. With games at Carolina, VS Dallas and at SanFran it didn't seem too crazy at the time. I still had hope, Then reality kicked in as Skelton threw the INT, then fumbled. Last but not least,  our offense failed to pose any threat to the NFL's worst team.

Yeah I said it, We lost to the worst team in the NFL (What does that make us). I know anything could happen on game day no matter how good or bad teams are, but offensively  we don't do anything well (Run or Pass). I first blamed the defense for our losses after the MNF game as we let 60 year old Brian Westbrook look like LT in his prime. Then I came to realize that they are on the field like 67% of the time. We have the 2nd lowest T.O.P  (Time of possession) with 26 Minutes and 15 seconds.  Simple math tells us that our opponent's offense and our defense are on the field for an AVG. of  35 minutes and 45 seconds. Sure the D allowed allot of points in the first half of the season, but they are on the field 10 minutes longer then the O. Meaning people have a lot more chances to score on us. Our D/ST has almost out scored our offense. Im not saying our D is the best in the league, however it is a lot better then people think. I was TOTALY wrong about our D due to inflated statistics because of T.O.P, but we do need more talent on that side of the ball.  Speaking of talent ....

We are now 4-10, and if the draft started today, we would end up with the 4th or 5th overall pick. That being said, we NEED a QB that will be an elite. We need someone who can move the ball on third down as we have the NFL's worst 3rd down % at 26.4. If ANYBODY TRIES TO TELL ME THAT WE ARE THAT BAD ON THIRD DOWN BECAUSE OF SOMETHING OTHER THEN OUR QB, YOUR HIGH AS A FUCKIN' KITE. QB is the most important position in the NFL, and thats a fact. If we switched DA, or Skelton with Manning I guarantee you that the Colts would be dog shit. Sorry for cursing, but it's the truth. You might say a team with a dominate running game doesn't need a QB - but your wrong because 1. You need the QB to manage the game and not turn the ball over (Brett and AP) and 2. Somone has to convert on the 3rd and 5+..... I know you could make a giant list of QB busts, but you have to stick your neck out and try because the Pros defiantly outweigh the Cons when it comes to drafting. Look at all these top Draft picks that have totally changed the franchise's directions:

(In Random order)

Sam Bradford - Rams

Matt Stafford (When he has played) - Lions

Matt Ryan - Falcons

Josh Freeman - Bucs

Mark Sanchez - Jets 

Joe Flacco - Ravens 

Phillip Rivers - Chargers

Eli Manning - Giants 

Peyton Manning - Colts

(The list goes on)

 

My point is that most of the successful teams in the NFL have an Elite QB who has been drafted in the first round.  Its crazy what one player can do for you. All I'm saying is: we are STUPID if we don't draft a QB with our TOP 5 pick or don't if we trade Carolina for their #1 overall (Because they most probably will look to drop and add more talent). Go back to any time in the NFL and look at how QB's - either through a trade, the draft, or FA have affected bad teams. We need someone to be captain of this sinking ship ASAP! And Im crossing my fingers its Luck. 

 

 

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I'm not giving up on Skelton yet.

I want to see him some more but regardless, I’d love to have a good vet (Kolb) for next year. DA was the biggest mistake Whiz has made since he’s been here.

by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 19, 2010 7:08 PM MST reply actions  

We need a rookie qb in the 1st or 2nd and a veteran

And have the two of them battle it out with Skeleton for the starting job during the offseason. On D, we desperately need an OLB, Joey P is slower then ever.

by CanadianCard on Dec 19, 2010 7:36 PM MST reply actions  

OLB is definatly a top priority

Schofield is a possibility but we need to stock up on younger talent.

by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 19, 2010 8:01 PM MST up reply actions  

If we could trade for Kevin Kolb

That would be great. Marc Bulger doesn’t sound half-bad either, because we seem to do good with Rams cast-offs.

You all know I’m a Jake Locker fan, so after Andrew Luck, I’m pretty sure you can guess who I’d like us to Draft. We can’t trade for Kevin Kolb and at the same time draft a rookie in the 1st/2nd Round, so assuming we don’t trade for Kevin Kolb and draft someone like Jake Locker, then I’d support picking up Marc Bulger or even Carson Palmer.

As for John Skelton, he just oozes in potential.

by Skii on Dec 19, 2010 8:36 PM MST reply actions  

I was going to pick Carolina to win ... and like a fool.... I actually thought for a fucking second my team would step up and beat this horrible team.

I am so utterly fucking disappointed in the 2010 Cards I wish I had my eyes watching this travesty all year back as well as the time of my life it consumed. There have been moments but they been almost nonexistent and irrelevant. This team is something I truly do love. My fandom is often times obsessive and quite possibly disturbing. I don’t regret my decisions to watch this team even though they have been nothing short of miserable. My optimism rests in the young players we have, the new mindset of the FO (yes I said it), and the draft of 2011. I will allow myself the hope of a 2011 NFL Championship Team because I am an optimist at heart and I love the Arizona Cardinals.

John has looked pretty darn good thus far and I’ll think he’ll get tremendously better this off-season but I still if the opportunity is there – grab our Bradford.

Sorry for the long winded, preachy blah blah blah … I felt I had to say my piece for my peace.

by az78true on Dec 19, 2010 9:21 PM MST reply actions  

After a loss like this

I like to think back to the Cardinals-Packers game in last season’s Playoffs. It reminds me of a time when our Offense could score more than a TD in a game.

by Skii on Dec 19, 2010 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I have the video saved to my computer.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 19, 2010 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure how you can say this:

“John has looked pretty damn good thus far”

His stats are 35/76 (46%), 387 Yards. 0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble, rating of 56.2, and 5 yards per attempt.

He has made 1 or 2 nice throws, but has shown absolutely nothing that should lead us to believe he will ever be an elite QB in the NFL.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Dec 20, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

He also had almost 10 passes that looked like they were on target that were dropped

I don’t think any of us are saying he will be elite, I’m sure as hell not saying that. But for a guy who supposedly wouldn’t be ready to play for another year or two he looks okay. He is a rookie, you will see this stuff.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 20, 2010 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Its just frustrating to watch

or is it just me?

[ECCF] East Coast Cards Fan since 2000.
Twitter: @Peterhornig

I bleed red..im sure everybody else does too... but i bleed CARDINAL red.
#FireBillDavis
#CutAnderson

What I'm thinkin': A Stanford Cardinal becomes an Arizona Cardinal!
Lets get LUCKy baby!

Trade some draft picks and make some moves!

by Peter Jacob Hornig on Dec 19, 2010 9:33 PM MST reply actions  

Carson Palmer

That’s a name that is starting to crop up. If he were to leave the Bengals via trade or being cut I would love to pick him up. I think putting him on a good team with a good culture could do wonders for him (ie get him away from Ocho and TO).

by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 19, 2010 9:37 PM MST reply actions  

If we sign him

He better not bring the whole diva-personality to the Cardinals. As much as I love watching Chad OchoCinco’s TD dances, I don’t want to see the Cardinals become a thrash-talking, big-mouth team.

by Skii on Dec 19, 2010 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

He is too streaky for me

Last year he had a great year, and his team was one of the best going into the playoffs. Then he just turned into an INT machine and they are one of the worst.

[ECCF] East Coast Cards Fan since 2000.
Twitter: @Peterhornig

I bleed red..im sure everybody else does too... but i bleed CARDINAL red.

What I'm thinkin': A Stanford Cardinal becomes an Arizona Cardinal!
Lets get LUCKy baby!

Trade some draft picks and make some moves!

by Peter Jacob Hornig on Dec 19, 2010 10:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Until his injury.......

He was considered a top tier QB. Since than he has played worse but his team hasn’t necessarily gotten better and I feel like he is in one of the most toxic environments in the NFL with Ocho and TO.
Than again, there is that injury…

by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 20, 2010 12:22 AM MST up reply actions  

By the way

You should add Peyton Manning to your list of 1st Round greats.

by Skii on Dec 19, 2010 10:23 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Nothing wrong with holding out hope..

I know there was a slim chance, and good for you for staying positive. I figured the season was over after the STL home game…when they didn’t show up at home for that one, I just figured it was over.

Agree with everything starting with the QB position. The fact is the position was clearly mis-managed and skills of players mis-assessed. DA is a back-up at best. They screwed up big time there. I think that has set an incredibly negative and unreliable tone with the players. The outcome is all the mistakes, blown assignments, etc. The OC and DC play calling has been horrible and inconsistent also.

Skelton shows promise. I’m not entirely sure I’m ready to say build the franchise around him after 2 starts. I’d like them to keep Skelton, and go get a vet and then draft one of the young kids….

by Cardzfan on Dec 20, 2010 6:39 AM MST reply actions  

Hopeful is fine

But the cards have a way of crushing those hopes most years. The nature of being a fan is to expect your team to build off positives to become better. Reality often falls short. There is always hope for next year.

by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 20, 2010 8:36 AM MST reply actions  

Rebuttal

Alex Smith
Byron Leftwich
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown
Ryan Leaf
Kerry Collins

(The list goes on)

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Dec 21, 2010 7:29 PM MST reply actions  

I would take Kerry Collins off the list

Sure he’s not spectacular, but he’s been successful with the Giants and the Titans for the most part.

by CanadianCard on Dec 21, 2010 10:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I was going with

“Look at all these top Draft picks that have totally changed the franchise’s directions”

Collins did not help the Panthers at all, he basically quit on them

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Dec 22, 2010 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly why I'd like to see us get a proven vet like Kolb

Even if it takes our #1 pick to get him. That and I bet he’d sign cheaper than the #1 or 2 out of the draft.

by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 22, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I just checked the current CBA expires in March

So any new signings would be under the new agreement, you’re right. Hope it gets worked out well because the current rookie situation is ridiculous.

by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 22, 2010 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

My question is, what happens with the draft if a cba isn't on the books in time?

Urban made a comment that there could be no free agency period until a cba is in place. If there isn’t a deal before the draft it will seriously impact who is taken, presuming the draft takes place on schedule. Also possibly could mean no rookies signing contracts until the season has almost started.

If we don’t even get a chance to sign a free agent QB before the draft you know we are picking one straight off even if it’s a reach.

by hadrarius on Dec 22, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Ew

I would hate to use a top 5 pick on a QB reach… I hope this doesn’t happen

by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 23, 2010 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Anyone other than Luck

will be considered a reach by somebody.

by hadrarius on Dec 23, 2010 5:10 PM MST up reply actions  

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