Off-season Moves: QB's
So now that we're mathematically officially out of the Playoffs, this is a perfect time to start getting ready for the Off-season. Here are a few moves that I think could happen.
QB
One of the most inconsistent positions this season for us, and one of the reasons we lost a lot of the games we lost, we need to do something drastic with the QB depth chart. As we all saw in the Bronco's game and today against the Panthers, although John Skelton isn't perfect, he's like a magnet for potential. He's still got some work to do, but all in all, he could become an elite QB one day. As for our other QB's, we don't know anything really about Richard Bartel, but he's signed to a two year deal with us. In that case, give him some playing time before the season ends. Here are the two outcomes:
1) Richard Bartel plays good. In that case, keep him for the Off-season, and perhaps put him on the Practice Squad, or even keep him on the roster for next season (Yes, even this has a small possibility).
2) Richard Bartel plays bad. Cut him, let him move on to another team, and basically forget about it, because we can't take our chances with more bad QB play.
Now pretend Richard Bartel doesn't impress the Coaches and both Richard Bartel and the Cardinals move on their separate ways. We've still got Derek Anderson and Max Hall. DA needs to be cut, as he didn't work out this season. I have a feeling that with the number of teams that need QB's, and with the low amount of FA's this Off-season, DA will find his way on to a team that is desperate for QB-depth. Remember, he still has his 2007 season to use to his advantage, and besides, veteran backups are always wanted. As for Max Hall, perhaps we could send him to the Practice Squad.
QB Draft
We can almost forget about drafting Andrew Luck. He's not going to be around for us to pick when it's our turn, and the only way we can get him is if we trade up (Huge) for him. After him leaves players like Ryan Mallett, Jake Locker, and Cam Newton. I think there's a huge possibility that Ryan Mallett could be drafted before it's our turn to pick. Considering that the Panthers and Bengals are going to pick in front of us, both need QB's, and both could end up drafting Luck/Mallett. As for Cam Newton, I have a feeling he'll stay another year in College. Which leaves Jake Locker, the last of the big three. Personally, I'd hope he falls to the 2nd Round, and then trade up to draft him, but after him, there's a vareity of options to choose from in the later rounds.
1) We somehow manage to get Andrew Luck. Phoenix parties like crazy.
2) We draft Ryan Mallett, and hope for the best that he proves his critics wrong and becomes a successful NFL QB.
3) We draft Jake Locker, and work with him through the Off-season to see if he's ready for the NFL.
4) We draft someone like Nick Foles, and keep him as a project, though this probably won't happen, as we don't need another project on our hands.
FA QB's/Other QB Deals
Among some of the FA names that we're going to see our Marc Bulger, and possibly Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb, Kyle Orton, and numerous others. Here are some possible situations:
1) We sign Marc Bulger. Considering the last Rams-castoff QB we signed took us to the Superbowl, I'm starting to warm up to this idea. He could also be the veteran backup we'll need for John Skelton/Rookie QB
2) We sign Carson Palmer. Perhaps a change in scenery would be good for him, and he could definitely benefit in being on a diva-less team like the Cardinals. The only down-side is we thought DA would do good in a chance of scenery (Which he still could, but not here with the Cardinals).
3) We sign Donovan McNabb. A lot of people are calling for him to be signed. He could provide the veteran backup QB role we need. He could even potentially be the starter for next season. But, as Darren Urban said, it's doubtful that the Cardinals will sign him, as they really have no interest in him.
4) We sign Peyton Manning. Somehow, we manage to convince Peyton Manning that if he comes here, we can win him a Superbowl. Phoenix rejoices, ESPN, NFL Channel, and the other 31 teams stand around shocked, and we immediately become a Superbowl-contending team.
Possible QB depth charts
Here's a few possibilities for what our QB depth chart could look like next season.
1) Starter: John Skelton
Backup: Veteran FA (Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, etc.)
Third-string: Rookie QB (Jake Locker, Nick Foles, etc.)
2) Starter: Veteran FA
Backup: John Skelton
Third-string: Rookie QB
3) Starter: Rookie QB (He'd basically have to be Andrew Luck)
Backup: John Skelton/Veteran FA
Third-string: John Skelton/Veteran FA
4) Against all odds, Richard Bartel impresses the Coaches so much that they decide to keep his two-year contract, and make him the 3rd String QB.
So as you can see, there are a lot of possibilites. You may not agree with me, but basically, I was just talking about what we could/should/can do with our QB situation. I'll publish my next part, the Coaching Staff, in a separate post later.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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McNabb and/or Palmer wouldn't come to a place like AZ to be a backup
They will hold out for starting jobs and if they absolutely can’t find anything they’ll go someplace where they have a much better chance of winning.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 19, 2010 11:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
K. Warner did
McNabb already ‘failed’ in Washington … kinda like Warner in New York
tons of similarities can be drawn
by quid pro quo on Feb 18, 2011 6:24 AM MST up reply actions
The only idea that has been really catching on with me
Is Carson Palmer. I think he could have a turn around here. But I have always been a Carson fan. I know he has all the weapons in Cincy and has still be mediocre, I just feel like that place is toxic and that a new house in the desert could help him regain form and mentor a guy like Skelton and whomever else we pick up.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 20, 2010 12:19 AM MST reply actions
Nick Foles is staying for another year
And I there is alot of talk about Cam Newton being the 2nd QB drafted next year. If jake locker has a good senior bowl(we know he’s going to blow up the combine) he might be taken ahead of Luck. Ryan Mallett more than likley will be there but tons of scouts have said if he gets a lil pressure in his face, he will make dumb decisions. He has to be in a system wit a good oline. But we might have a shot at 3 of the 4 QBs comin out. Let’s hope for the best.
by Ogre7 on Dec 20, 2010 1:41 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Locker might pass Newton or Mallet but Luck is locked in as the first QB taken
He’d have to seriously suck at the combine or pro day and I really doubt he’ll do much at the combine. Normally the number one QB prospect has nothing to gain by throwing at the combine and they normally won’t enter the Senior Bowl either.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 20, 2010 6:14 AM MST up reply actions
ALOT can change from here to the draft.
Its almost for sure that Luck will be first but Locker has the senior bowl to show off what he can do, Luck doesn’t. It could happen. Nobody thought DRC was a first rounder until senior bowl along wit Kyle wilson, Brandon graham, iupati and countless others.
by Ogre7 on Dec 20, 2010 1:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They need a vet, and then time to develop Skelton and a young QB pick...
I’ve said this in other posts – they tried to ‘manage’ the QB position this year. They found out what happens when you don’t have talent or experience at the position. It kind of impacts your whole team.
The FO needs to do whatever it takes to get a vet in here and then if necessary, trade up to get a Luck or Mallet in here.
I don't understand this:
“As we all saw in the Bronco’s game and today against the Panthers, although John Skelton isn’t perfect, he’s like a magnet for potential. He’s still got some work to do, but all in all, he could become an elite QB one day”
His stats are 35/76 (46%), 387 Yards. 0 TD, 1 INT, 1 Fumble, rating of 56.2, and 5 yards per attempt.
He has made 1 or 2 nice throws, and displays some major accuracy issues. What has he shown you that makes you think he can become an elite QB?
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
by robloosli on Dec 20, 2010 9:50 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Pocket presence, general mobility, and has made more than 1 or 2 good throws...
Yet he is still the raw rookie Whiz said he would be. I agree with Skii in terms of his potential, but as well all know potential and actual performance are on different levels.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 20, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
QB Thoughts
I would open the season with a QB battle.
FA: Palmer or Mcnabb
Keep Skelton to battle for starting job
Draft QB only if the right one falls to us….or p/u best defense player.
Dump DA/Max if we draft QB.
I like Skelton so far what I have seen, big and has a good arm. Good pocket presence for a rookie. Several dropped passes by our WR’s and his rating would be better.
Hate to say this, but if Cards come in last NFC West, at least we play the Lions/Panthers/Redskins next year.
by Dingers Roadkill on Dec 20, 2010 1:43 PM MST reply actions
Why is it?
6 games are set with our NFC West opponents. 4 more games are set with a set division (AFC West this year)Why is it that of our 6 at large opponents, we always play the Panthers?
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
Schedule is set every year
You rotate vs divisions in NFC and AFC. Since we will finish last we will also add last place teams from NFC south(Carolina) and NFC north(I actually think(and hope) it will be Minn).
Next years schedule will actually be harder than this years, but not by much.
I know their is a set schedule, my question is why do we always get Carolina, no matter what?
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
Each year
every team plays against teams determined as follows:
2 games against each team in their division (6 games)
1 game against each team in another NFC division on a rotating basis (4 games)
1 game against each team in an AFC division on a rotating basis( 4 games)
That is 14 gameas total. To round out the 16 game schedule, they play the the same place finishing team from the remaining 2 divisions in their conference.
To use the Cardinals as an example from the 2010 season:
6 games against the NFC West.
4 games against the NFC South.
4 games against the AFC West.
1 game against last year’s winner of the NFC North (since we won our division last year).
1 game against last year’s winner of the NFC East.
This year we played Carolina because we played the entire NFC South. That happens every 3 seasons. The other years we have played them because they finished in the same position (1st plays 1st, 2nd plays 2nd, 3rd plays 3rd, 4th plays 4th) in their division as we did in ours the prior season.
That clear it up? I know it can be confusing, and it seems like we always play the Panthers, but it really is just because we tend to finish in the same position in our respected divisions.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
because oddly enough the Panthers and Cardinals continue to play in the same spot in their respective divisions
as long as they finish in the same spot in their divisions, we’ll play them every year. Just been a odd couple of years in which the teams have mirrored each other.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 21, 2010 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
I doubt Skelton
could beat out any of those QB’s in training camp … but he definitely looks like the QB of the future
I gut tells me the Cards will draft O line, or defense … that is if they don’t trade the pick
After Warner left the Rams
they sunk to the deepest depths of the NFL. Sam Bradford has made them at least respectable in a bad division, and their future looks much brighter. Why are so many people so hung on Bulger, the king of suckage? Just because he was a Ram, doesn’t make him Kurt Warner. I almost think I would take my chances with DA “knowing the system” than bring this no talent hack in.
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
Because he was good for a couple of years until injuries decimated the Rams and he wound up getting shell shocked from all the hits he was taking
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
with what I've seen from our o line this year, I'm not sure it would be any different here...
so I’m not sure he’d be successful here either….I just don’t know about Bulger.
it's hard to say
I mean, you’re right, Bulger could suck … but DA wasn’t given much of a chance by fans, and then played poorly … it would be almost impossible for him to recover from that and gain fan support
I think we have to go in another direction … my guess is they bail on DA and Hall and sign a vet to come in and mentor Skelton … the problem is Rod Graves won’t spend any money, so a guy like Bulger may be all we get … and if Whiz doesn’t have better success with whatever he gets fans will turn on him fast
by quid pro quo on Dec 21, 2010 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
First round
I just don’t like the idea of another year of hoping that a QB that no one else really wants can suddenly be elite. I look at the QB’s drafted in the first round of the last three drafts: Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Bradford and Tebow. I want one like those please!
If Skelton really is the real deal, which I’m not at all convinced he is, that could do but I want to see some ambitions from the FO and not too much of a rely of the famous change of scenery. Our O-line isn’t that good
We are red, we are white, we are Danish Dynamite!
I'd like DMAC for 2 years
Skelton and Hall didn;t have the luxury to learn behind a veteran QB like Warner. I’d say Mcnabb is almost like the same story of Warner, and could have a few good years left in him here in AZ. No one expected Warner to do what he did, but look how that turned out. I’d say, draft O-line 1st round, pick up Mcnabb, and perfect the running game we were expecting to have all year. This improves the teams two biggest weaknesses and helps groom a QB of the future (whomever that may be, but would have a vet thats a proven winner to learn from). The rest of the draft could work on pass rushing and DBs… I wouldn’t mind trading out of our top ten pick and getting a late first rounder and maybe a few other later round picks. It sounds like there is only one “stud” lineman that will be worth taking in the top-ten, and he’s likely to go earlier than the Card’s pick (I remember reading that somewhere but am unsure of its accuracy)…
"stud" lineman
From what I’ve read there aren’t any stand out offensive linemen this year. As for defensive linemen there are a handful of names touted as top ten worthy. At DE there are Quinn and Bowers to name just a couple. Trading down to the mid first round could land us Von Miller who has been playing OLB in a 3-4 defense at Texas A&M along with whatever extra selections we pick up.
can you help me understand why it would be difficult to trade down?
I keep hearing that it will be difficult for the Cards to trade down based on whats available around their draft position, but I feel like the Patriots could trade down a 27th pick in the 7th rd, why would it be hard to trade down from a top ten pick in the 1st regardless of whose available? I guess if the asking price is too high, but I would never expect the trade down of the century to occur like last year with the Broncos selecting Tebow (who wouldn’t take that deal?)…
Inside the top 5
it is more difficult to trade down just because of the money involved with overpaying a rookie. That issue could potentially be resolved before the draft with a new CBA. There is no question that there will be wholesale changes to how rookies get paid. Both the owners and the NFLPA agree it needs to be done. We’ll just have to wait to see when the cba is completed and when the changes go into effect. It may be that this is the last year of the obscenely overpaid rookie, or it could be they are the first under the new rules.
I don’t know what would make it tough to trade out of a later pick. The patriots do seem to have mastered the art of turning the draft into a shell game. The idea of building the team with a lot of 2nd and 3rd round picks is very appealing. I’m not at all averse to trading up and / or down if done effectively. If we can get a 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd for our 1st it may well be worth it. Only time will tell. Possibly we could pick up a difference maker as part of a trade package too. Just look at what Leon Washington has done for Seattle and they got him for next to nothing.
Trading down
Greatly appeals to me. A late first and a early second or early third and a fourth would be fantastic.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 28, 2010 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
I want Luck!
Anything else is just very nice Acura cake.
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