Arizona Cardinals Question Of The Day: How Do You Feel About John Skelton After Three Games?
by JoeCB1991 on Dec 27, 2010 10:01 AM MST
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Quick question to start off this Monday morning. Now that we have gotten to see John Skelton start his first three games and wind up with a 2-1 record after those three games, how do you feel about the way he has played?
I do like what I have seen from him. He has a nice quick release and a cannon for an arm, and he appears to be more accurate than Derek Anderson even though Skelton is only completing 45% of his passes (keep in mind that it would probably be over 50% if some of the passes he threw that looked like they were on target were not dropped), he seems poised in the pocket, and he has shown some good mobility for a a guy who is 6'6" (kinda like Ben Roethlisberger). The thing that I like the most that I have seen from him was the end of the Cowboys game. Even though he did play poorly for most of the second half, it is very encouraging to see him lead the game winning drive which included that pass on 4th and 15 to Larry Fitzgerald. Skelton has certainly shown some things that are encouraging if he does wind up being the Quarterback next year.
But you have also seen the negatives that you normally see with a rookie from a small school getting his first real in game experience. He hasn't been able to consistently lead drives and consistently put points on the board, he has missed some open throws, the third down conversion rate that was bad with Derek Anderson and Max Hall still hasn't gotten much better, and Larry Fitzgerald did not get enough chances to get the ball against the Cowboys. They showed several times where he was wide open on TV, and Warner would have seen that nine times out of ten.
Overall, I am encouraged by what I have seen, but I understand that he is just a rookie from a small school, and some of the coaches themselves said that he was not ready yet. I can live with the mistakes if you can balance them out by doing positive things, and that is what Skelton has done so far. I do still think that the Cardinals should draft a Quarterback in the first round, and/or pick up some veteran in Free Agency, but if Skelton has to play next year I won't be too worried.
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I'm quite sure everyone already knows my position on Skelton
I just don’t see him being any kind of long term solution. Intangibles like size, arm strength, are hard to teach, but he just hasn’t done anything for me personally to believe he can win games for our team any time soon.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
And there is no problem with that position either
I have no idea if he will be a long term solution yet, I need to see more than three or four games out of him before I decide if he is or not.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
likewise, I am quite sure my thoughts are well publicized by now :)
I voted
“Good, I’d like to see him start next year”
franchise QBs don’t grow on trees. we have one. let him grow as he starts, a la Flacco, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Bradford….
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you don't have to believe that Skelton can win games for our team
but he is 2-1 as a started, believe it or not
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He didn't do anything to win those games
But he did lose the Carolina game for us. Denver didn’t show up to play, and the defense played great against them. Dallas missed a PAT, after storming back from a big deficit, and had all the momentum. Skelton has yet to show he can move the ball and put points up.
Look at Flacco, Bradford, Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Matt Stafford. All of them had better 1st 3 games than Skelton has. He isn’t a franchise QB, and we shouldn’t settle for someone just because they have a big arm and a big body. See where that got Oakland with JaMarrcus Russell…
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Big difference
Russell was not only an idiot but he had no work ethic. He also was in the big SEC, which Skelton wasn’t. He needs time, but he has the tools and the poise.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 27, 2010 5:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
completely disagree
If I am coach of this team, Skelton is my #1 going into next year if he steadily improves in the offseason/training camp. i.e. if he takes charge and runs with this opportunity, studies hard, works out hard, etc.
sometimes people are so accustomed to having to look for something better that they fail to see the great talent already here.
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If, if, if...
Too many ifs. I’m down with developing Skelton. However, they must bring in viable options at the least. I’ve said before I think they should go into camp with 4 QBs again and neither Anderson nor Hall do I count as part of that. Skelton is the only guy that’s shown he’s worth keeping. Bartel? He should get a shot in camp. They need to bring in at least one veteran and either take a QB early in the draft or pick up another vet to compete for a spot. I just don’t want to see them settle for whatever washed up vet they happen to be able to snag and then let a better prospect slide by because they have already signed one.
'too many ifs' makes for a cute reply
but the these ifs aren’t big question marks at all.
big ifs are things like ‘if he can demonstrate poise when he gets a chance to play’
Skelton has answered the first wave of big ifs. a large % of pro players never complete that stage.
the ifs I pose are common expectations that are usually met by pro players. in rare cases players with incredible ability flail and fail to meet these (Jamarcus), but in most cases, players with great ability continue to improve and work hard. i.e. unless Skelton flails, the next round of ifs is easy.
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I feel perfectly fine about him.
Provided he’s the #3 quarterback next year. He was picked up as a project and that’s how he should stay.
Nothing he’s shown should change the plan to draft a QB high and sign a veteran. Skelton may be decent eventually but for now the idea of him as the backup next year terrifies me…let a project be a project.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 27, 2010 10:11 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
he is decent now
with huge upside.
last year the Bucs shied away from getting Josh Freeman in the game at first. I completely disagreed, I thought they should have started him last year from Game 1 and let him work through his mistakes as he grows. By the end of that year, Freeman was playing and playing well, now look at him. I think Skelton has the same type of potential.
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Freems was a lot less raw than Skelton
I’m not writing Skelton off by any means….I just don’t want to put much stock into him for next year when that basically has to be a bounce back year.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 27, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Freeman
Also didnt grow up around the NFL…Skelton did…
by Cardsfan928 on Dec 27, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
Grew up around the NFL?
Really? Chris Simms grew up around the NFL and in more of a capacity than his uncle is a minority owner.
I hope Skelton succeeds but as I see it the guy is just still a project…as indicated by his 45% passing.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 27, 2010 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
Seriously
- 3? Let me guess you thought Max Hall was the better choice earlier this year as well? Why on earth would we burn a first round pick on a Qb, when we have one that made one hell of a play in the clutch and seems to be growing into his role…Considering we need to find ourselves a franchise tackle and/or a pass rushing menace in the first round
by Cardsfan928 on Dec 27, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Exact opposite
I thought Max Hall was a garbage dump. Couldn’t believe he was on the roster…much less the backup.
So you want Skelton as the backup next year, right?
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 27, 2010 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
He did alright, given what was expected of him
But yeah, still sign a vet and draft a QB in the first round. Let him hang on as the #3 next season. That TD pass was a thing of beauty, and he seems less quick with the interceptions, so he’s got some promise.
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by Justin Burning on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 AM MST reply actions
I want a good vet signing
but I’m pretty encouraged about his potential. Drives have stalled but with his limited practise time with the first string it’s understandable. I think he’s headed in the right direction. Hope he doesn’t have to start next year, but the year after, maybe.
by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 27, 2010 11:16 AM MST reply actions
Sign a vet
and have Skelton the backup. By the time we pick, I think at least two QB’s will be off the board. and when we have such a bad OL, use your first round pick on a O-lineman. and last get rid of Hall. He is terrible, i wuld rather have St. Pierre back then have Hall on the team
I agree with everything except the St Pierre thing...
Not saying I want Hall on the team as much as I don’t want St Pierre. There won’t be a QB worthy of the first round by the time the Cards pick, but there might be an O-lineman who can help whomever is playing QB have more time and improve the running game so they don’t have to pass so much. (Hire an OC, too.)
He's certainly the best of the 3 we have....
Shame on you Anderson – that’s an indictment on you as a QB..
But no, I still think we need a FA and draft a QB(trade up if necessary). I like Skelton and think he deserves a roster spot, but I still would like to upgrade the position.
The offense still looks horrible and something has to change. Other than the last drive and the Roberts TD (which was a very bad defensive play), we look bad offensively. Way too many 3 and outs. The play calling is bad too.
OK here is my thoughts on QB/Draft
Ok here is what think could happen/should happen next year with draft/QB.
1. Cut DA(or trade if we can find someone stupid enough)
2. Cut Max Hall. (I’d say bring him on practice squad)
3. sign vet for second string QB
4. Draft QB in round 2-3
5. use first round pick for a major upgrade like pass rush or something
Explanation:
1st off the reason we don’t need a QB with first round is that we need to either keep grooming and developing Skelton, or plug in a franchise QB from draft. The only franchise QB in the draft is Luck.
If he, by some random chance, is available at our pick we will get him, but I don’t really see that happening.
He is the only person really ready to step in and control a team like Peyton Manning, or Sam Bradford. I think the other QB’s could be good but they will need some work. At that point if you have to groom a QB anyways, it might as well be Skelton. He has already got some game time, and experience in the system.
So if you cut DA+Hall, all you have is Skelton. Bring in a vet as a mentor role or even to go in if someone is injured. draft a project in 2-3d rounds for depth and potential, and use that valuable 1st to get something of bigger importance
Petty much ditto what you said
Cut DA and Max Hall. Sign Bulger or McNabb or possibly trade for Kolb (not certain about that one). Keep Skelton as #2 QB. The only place I’d differ is that depending on what is available at our pick (#5 currently), i might even think about trading down to pick up an extra pick in 2nd round.
Skelton still has potential, but...
… they need to get a veteran quarterback. McNabb will likely be available. Kolb might be too (though we’d have to give something up for him). Then get an early round QB (rds 2-4) in case Skelton doesn’t progress (or just in case, if the vet plays well enough that we don’t know how good Skelton can be). But the most important thing, to me, is the offensive line. We need 2 or 3 new players in there… Followed by some coaching changes (true OC, probably a new DC).
McNabb
would not win more games than Skelton as starter. he is on the downside of his career
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Skelton has a chance
Many fans and sometimes scouts forget that the most important aspect of playing QB is the ability to throw the football. It all starts right there. Max Hall has intangibles but lacks size, arm-strength, the abilty to throw the football effectively and has small hands. Derek Anderson lacks intangibles, accurracy and touch. By default and talent, John Skelton is the man currently for the job.
Sure, Skelton is raw, unrefined and has the look of a kid overwhelmed at times. All rookie QB’s are that way early in their developemental process. One thing to keep in mind, Skelton did not play at one of football factories (where better coachig exists) such as USC (er, Leinart), Texas (McCoy), Florida (Tebow) Notre Dame (Jimmy Clausen) or Oklahoma (Bradford). I know this, watching Skelton should give Cardinals fans hope.
Skelton has great size for the position (a pre-requisite today), and because of his arm-strength, DC’s must show the kid some respect in the deep passing game. Skelton can also hurt the defense with his mobilty when 2 deep man-under coverage concepts (defenders turn their backs to the QB) are imployed by the defense.
Yes, Skelton has much to learn….. reading progressions, improving his pocket presence, throwing with greater touch in the short to intermediate passing game and having an overall grasp of the playbook. Still, there is much to work with in John Skelton. The keys to Skelton’s future in the desert are……Skeltons FBI (football intelligence) and good to great coaching.
Ideally, a competent starter is brought in to secure the QB position until Jonh Skelton is ready to take the reigns. I see a little Neil Lomax in Jonh Skelton. Skelton has NFL starter talent but he needs more seasoning. The questions for me is whether he will get to display his talent in AZ longterm..
by Cardsfan81 on Dec 27, 2010 1:04 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Going to Fordham is exactly why he was a 5th round project.
The guy has huge potential. Hopefully they get in a veteran he can learn from. Whisenhunt was upfront about a two year timeline with Skelton to get him ready. I still think they have to hedge their bets by drafting another QB but I don’t believe it absolutely has to be a first rounder.
Another great point
The Cardinals do need to draft another QB for the future. Can never to many competent QB’s to compete and keep incumbants on their toes…..ask Andy Reed. Steve Kiem and Rod Graves simply have to find another diamond in the rough. The stability of the franchise rides on it.
well said
just b/c I am high on Skelton does not mean that I think we shouldn’t get more quality QBs in the mix. I agree, stock the cupboards.
however, veteran QBs are a gamble as well. Sometimes what seems like a way to stabilize the team (by getting McNabb or Bulger) can in the end turn out to be a waste of time. if the vet is playing like one on the downside of his career and throwing INTs and taking hits, that can be worse that just letting the kid Skelton play. it can potentially take away from valuable time he could be in there mastering the offense.
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by Undrafteds on Dec 29, 2010 6:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a tricky situation
As always, it will come down to money. The Bidwill’s, especially the Sr., are frugal and seriously threaten to destoy the equity that Whisenhunt has built up over the 2007-2009 seasons.
McNabb has some juice left. One and a half to two seasons left at an average to slightly above average level. McNabb’s size would not hurt either.
Bulger, I have seen up close and personal. Bulger still has the abilty to read a defense, get the ball out on time and throw with touch and acuuracy. Bulger’s problem is his lack of size, injury history (concussions), and his tendency to perceive pressure (anticapate getting hit) and see color (the other teams jersey) under duress in the pocket. These traits in Bulger’s game should concern you and Cards FO for that matter if they choose to go after Marc. Bulger, also is not a very big QB and that lack of size could be problematic behind an OL that is not very good in pass pro.
Not surprising considering how much he was beaten up during the time when the Rams began their collapse
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
2 wins, granted Denver was in disarray and The defense coming with the early points against Dallas didn’t hurt. But the kid has poise and confidence. DA would have completely been hanging his head after the last Dallas TD, and would not have put us in position to kick the FG. I like what I see of Skelton, and do not subscribe to the theory that an effective QB has to be star coming out of college. I don’t look any further than ole #7. I actually prefer a qb who isn’t anointed as some kind of second coming. Ye we still need to sign a vet, someone that can teach but someone who is ok with being a back up, but can start if needed Anderson has to go, we will need to fill his spot I don’t know enough about Bartel to make him the auto #2 I think he or hall might stick as the #3 but I think we need a decent vet as the number 2, and use the draft to fill other needs we have a few. Skelton has a good head on his shoulders and the physical traits. I think given time to work with the first string he will prove to be a worthy QB. Without sounding like too much of a kool aid drinker, I think we can retake the division crown next year. And Skelton and Bradford will be fighting out for many years to come
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
"Do not subscribe to the theory that an effective QB has to be star coming out of college"
Tom Brady being the best example of that.
Tom Brady might not have been a "star" in college
but he played well at a major university. That’s a lot different than Skelton playing well at a D1aa school.
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I agree on some of your points
From a pure physical skill-set assesment perspective, John Skelton is superior too all the QB’s I mentioned above including Bradford. Now, I am not saying that Skkelton will be a better player than Bradford. I do, however, believe Skelton can be a better NFL QB than McCoy ,Tebow and Clausen.
I am not a fan of drafting kids that come from the football factories for reasons I don’t care to elaborate on right now.
NFL coaching is critical and very underrated. Not many great QB coaches in the game anymore. More than anything, Skelton needs a great QB coach to reach his potential.
Potential candidates the Cardinals FO should consider bringing in to aid in Skeltons development and assist with offense…………
1.Marty Mornhinweg———look at hat he has done with Micheal Vick.
2.Norv Turner, assumming he is fired———a double edge sword as OC and QB coach.
3.Gary Kubiak --ditto the Turner scenario.
4. Hue Jackson———a great offensive mind and he is not getting along great with Tom Cable.
5.Bill Musgrave——-has helped with the development of Matt Ryan.
6. Alex Van Pelt -——former NFL QB and current QB coach of Josh Freeman.
IHue Jackson - Tom Cable
Isn’t Cable on thin ice in Oakland? If so, could be a lot of coaches soon available from there.
True
Al Davis could fire Tom Cable. If Cable is fired then Hue Jackson will ascend to the HC position in Oakalnd……..I would bet the house on that!
To answer the question not necessarily. Al Davis has tenured coaches and would force Hue Jackson to keep that staff largely intact.
McDaniels
Josh McDaniels would be an excellent choice. The questions with McDaniels are three-fold.
1. Does McD want to coach right away?
2. Can he become more player friendly. Some of the players in Denver did not love playing for McD. That said, McDaniels is a brillant young offensive mind and would be a huge assest to the staff. To McD’s credit he did have Kyle Orton playing at a Pro Bowl level for much of this season before being dismissed and Brandon Lloyd is playing at an All-Pro level. Both players can thank McD for re-kindling their careers.
3. Money——-I believe McD has the standard NFL off-set in his contract that would reduce his paycheck from the Broncos organization. Are the Bidwill’s willing to pay a young talented coach?
McDaniels also worked with Brady and Matt Cassel in New England.under Belichick.
He worked with Tom Brady and Matt Cassel too?
He sounds like a great choice for Offense Coach. I do agree that he’s cost quite a bit of money, but considering the training we’re going to need for our future QB(s), we’re going to need only the best to work with them.
Skelton
IS the real deal, in two years. I really see him being a quality QB, probably not elite but a guy who can have a big game and be consistent. Hitting the big plays is the most important factor to me, he has done it several times now and with seasoning and more experience he could be very serviceable. But for the time being we cannot live off of 45% passing (regardless of drops). We need a willy vet with something to prove and McNabb is probably that guy. Rather him than Bulger.
Skelton has won me over, for the future.
John Skelton has a ton of potential
For a QB out of Fordham in his rookie year, he’s gone way past how he should be playing. For next year, I say make the backup, and get a veteran, like Donovan McNabb (John Skelton could only learn from watching him play), Carson Palmer, or even Kevin Kolb (I think everyone knows I support trading for Kevin Kolb).
As for the Draft, I think we all know I support drafting Jake Locker. But I don’t really know what to do in the Draft. I’m going to wait and see what we do in Free Agency first.
Free agency
That’s pretty much a given yet so many people want to brush right past it. I guess it’s just more interesting to speculate on the draft for most people. A new cba needs to be put into effect before we can have a free agency period though. May or may not happen prior to the draft.
I like what I see so far.
Agree about potential upside. I would like to see he beats out FA QB in training camp to take over starting QB for next year. I don’t like rookie QB next year when we could have a veteran QB and win the crappy NFC west division. See the Rams beat the Niners made me feel like we could have been there with wins against our division teams. Oh well, on to the Niners.
Thoughts on Skelton
Skelton has earned a roster spot for next year. I think everyone can agree on that. Here’s how I see him:
Upsides
1. Strong arm, big guy – he’s shown he can make plays throwing downfield and extend plays by moving around in the pocket and escaping from tackles.
2. Good decision-maker – 1 INT in 3 games and a quarter of play is pretty good for a rookie, especially someone in Skelton’s position (small school and coming straight up from 3rd string). He seems to get the ball out quick and doesn’t throw it to defenders
3. Mental presence – when Fitzgerald gave that interview calling Skelton “emotionless”, that was a big green flag to me. DA got frustrated and folded when he went through a bad quarter and had to lead the team in the 4th. Skelton completed 3 great passes and set up the winning FG. That was very impressive to me.
Downsides
1. Doesn’t have feel yet – a lot of those replays showing Skelton ignoring a wide open Fitzgerald or Breaston were probably on plays where they were initially covered but came open later in the play. Skelton needs to develop a feel for when to give a route a 2nd chance after the first read.
2. Lacks accuracy in the short passing game – that’s all important in the NFL these days. In college, an open short pass is when the receiver is a yard away from the defender. You don’t get that kind of look in the pros. Skelton fitted a great pass into the flat to FB Maui’a early in the game. He needs to make that pass 6 or 7 out of 10 times rather than 3 or 4 out of 10.
The Cards probably need to sign a good veteran QB so Skelton can learn behind him for a year or two. Maybe Kurt Warner has some spare time and wants to coach, whatever works. I disagree that the first round draft choice should go to a QB. ILB and OL are probably bigger needs to be addressed through the draft right now.
by abenz on Dec 27, 2010 4:14 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Also
I was way over-optimistic about DA at the beginning of the season so take it with a grain of salt…
Nice breakdown!
Great point about the Fitzgerald comment.
+1
I agree, nice break down. The INT-TD ratio is a good point.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 27, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
+2
Pretty much crystallizes my thoughts on the guy. I mean the guy was running scout team three weeks ago. I honestly think that he can be a solid starter in this league in a year or two and the only way to do that is to go through the growing pains with him. He has a great feel for the pocket and has the arm and accuracy to make all the throws. As Whiz said, half the time he doesnt even know the play which is called in very well. Imagine how much better he’d look after a whole offseason working with the playbook and the ‘ones’.
by Irishcardinal on Dec 27, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
First round
ILB is rarely rated as a first round pick. I agree that it is a big need. We need a run stuffer to play along side Washington. There are a number of potential pass rushers we could pick up for OLB in the first round though. The OL class is not considered to have any spectacular talent in it. I’d prefer a pass rusher or even possibly a CB to another disappointing first round OL like Levi Brown. Von Miller is a guy in particular that is intriguing because he played OLB at Texas A&M where they run a 3-4 defense.
The Draft is not the answer.
Anyone the Whiz drafts wont be of any use to the Cards next season, thats just the way he coaches. So how about Kyle Orton from the Broncos.
He threw for a lot of yards this year.
And he didn’t have a guy like Fitzgerald to do it with. I’m okay with Orton. He’s not guaranteed any money next season. The next HC there will probably have to sink or swim with Tebow. Then again it could be they get in a guy like Whisenhunt that doesn’t buy the idea that Tebow is a gift from god.
I hope they don't bring Orton here next year
Yardage means nothing when compared to how bad he was in clutch and 3rd down situations, one of the main reasons they only won 3 games with him this year.
by CanadianCard on Dec 27, 2010 7:45 PM MST up reply actions
He's definitely hot and cold.
Had 4 games this season with over 100 QB rating and 4 others with completion percentages in the toilet (46.3% or less) even though he managed somehow to get over a 70 rating in two of those games. He played his worst game against the Cardinals (27.1 QB rating). Still, overall he is carrying a QB rating of 87.5 which is about twenty points higher than anyone on the Cardinals roster. I won’t be spilling my beer in excitement if they acquire Orton but after a season of Derek Anderson and Max Hall he is all but guaranteed to be some kind of improvement.
Saying Coach Whiz doesn't play rookies
Is an over-exaggeration of his Coaching Methods.
by Skii on Dec 27, 2010 8:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Prediction
I’m predicting we bring in Bulger…to either push Skelton or back him up. Barrel as 3rd string after he beats out Hall.
by Punisher3190 on Dec 27, 2010 8:48 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Which FA QB
Has the quickest release? The one who does will be our best bet. A smart guy who can read the D and make a quick pass is the only guy who will survive our line.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 27, 2010 9:50 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Chad Pennington
If he is released from Miami after Tony Saprano is fired and the new coaching staff brings in their own QB. He does get hurt a lot, but he could be a big help to any young QB because of his accuracy.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
Pennington
Pennington is done! Pennington breaks things during warmups, Chad Pennington is nothing more than an emergency 3rd string QB and an assistant QB coach.
Skelton has been a average to below average rookie QB
He’s showed some flashes of positive play but the majority of his play has been poor. The team’s record under his stint has benefited from a defense that is playing much better and a soft schedule, but the bottom line is that Skelton has done very little to prove he’s ready to lead this team for years to come.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 28, 2010 6:37 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
He's played in 3 games.
Hardly enough to judge him on. If you look at the last game, his favorite target was Roberts (not Fitz). Why? Because that is who he has practiced with so far. That is his security blanket. He has not had any times with the 1s until recently. Let the chemistry gel them come back and say if he is or isn’t ready. Then it will be founded. I saw nothing to say he isn’t the QB of the future. Another 5th round gem that Whiz and Keim have found. In 3+ games he has thrown only 1 int. To me that means when he can’t get it to his receivers, he makes sure no one else can get it either. We’re already rebuilding. Let him be in the mix. I agree with bringing in another good vet for competition, but he has done nothing to lose the job yet. Fix the play calling and we may see a much better showing from him and the rest of the O.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
Aren't you kind of contradicting yourself?
You said 3 games isn’t enough to judge him on, and then said you saw nothing to say he isn’t the QB of the future, and that he’s a gem. Isn’t that kind of judging him?
Personally, and I’ve said this plenty of times, I don’t think he’s shown any flashes of brilliance that a lot of the best QBs showed right off the bat. In 3 games, he hasn’t completed more than half of his passes yet. He has had trouble throwing accurate passes. Yes he’s only thrown 1 INT, but he has also led way too many 3 and outs as the QB. He hasn’t really moved the ball down the field, and has benefited greatly from 2 outstanding defensive efforts to get 2 wins.
I know some of you guys really like him, and I’m ok with that, that’s why we all get to form our own opinion. I just don’t see it with Skelton. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m right, but my opinion is that he is NOT the future.
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by robloosli on Dec 28, 2010 7:41 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Both good points
This game to me is the final test for Skelton. I think he has shown both of you what you two are talking about. He has shown poise and creativity and has made a few big throws while avoiding huge mistakes. But he has also missed a lot of throws and has not really moved the chains. His grasp of the offense is pretty bad.
Against the Niners, a team with a solid front seven and a weak secondary (remind you of a team we just played?) Skelton has the opportunity to have a big game (relative for a rookie). Whether he shines or not we will get to see if we are just QB needy or worse, QB desperate.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 28, 2010 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
Even is he does great in this last game
We’re still qb needy and Skeleton should still be treated as a project.
by CanadianCard on Dec 28, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
So three games isn't enough to judge him.......
But then you take an even smaller sample size, one game, and say he’s more familar with Roberts than Fitz…………
Hmmm ok well what’s the excuse for Fitz catching nine passes last week compared to Roberts’ zero catches.
Oh and completely agree with roloosli. You can’t say it’s too early for me to judge him and then write a big paragraph about how you think he hasn’t show you anything to prove he isn’t the QB of the future.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 28, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed
Average to below average ROOKIE QB doesn’t typically translate into an above average NFL QB.
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It can
when there from a small school, and many guys take a few years to make the transition. Let him learn to work with fitz, and the first team and give him another year. you cant judge a guy by three games, but you can say that you like what you see.
why don't you just say we can't have a negative opinion after three games
but it’s ok to have a positive opinion?
It’s either too early to judge him (which would mean this entire thread is worthless) or we’re all allowed to have our opinion. I tend to lean toward the latter.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 28, 2010 8:27 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
You can
but all the peole so far I can remeber saying negative stuff, say he will never be good. after THREE games, you cant say I guy will never be good. if you draft a QB in the first round you are basicly giving up on Skelton as if our first rounder reaches potential, then Skelton wont ever see the field again. You cant say he will never be good, which in turn means you cant say he will defantly be good. you can olnly point out what you like and dont like so far.
go back and find a comment where I ever said he won't ever be good
My point for a couple weeks now has been that he’s done nothing to earn the QB of the future title.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 28, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
Drafting a first round QB
does not equate to “giving up on Skelton”. Skelton was a project when he was picked in the fifth round (even though they traded up for him). They targeted a player with potential. That’s all. Whisenhunt has consistantly said that Skelton was a 2 year project. Listen to any interview or press conference and you’ll hear Whisenhunt go on and on about Skelton’s weak points. He has never given any indication that Skelton IS the QB of the future. Only a player that has shown potential to grow into his role. In time. Consider that the off season may be drastically shortened due to a potential lock out. How much lost development will Skelton suffer? They will first and foremost target a QB through free agency or trade. Only then will they determine if and when to draft another QB.
If the team gives him another year then Whiz is probably going to be looking for work after 2011.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
by Scott Howard on Dec 28, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How Do I Feel?
I feel “Good Enough”, after watching John Skelton start his third game, that he deserves to be the Cardinals’ future QB. I would like to see the Cardinals pick up a quality veteran to start or push Skelton for the #1 spot. I would also like to see Max Hall’s jersey burnt in eulogy and never to be heard from again. Richard Bartel shoud be retained as the Cards’ #3.
I understand everyone’s desire to win the NFC West, next season, but if you truly want to see Skelton develop, it will take another year for him. If the right QB becomes available in the free agent market, say Ryan Fitzpatrick or another QB with some gas left in the tank (33 or younger), he could start and Skelton could develop behind him. If the Cards don’t have a viable option in free agency, I’d rather see them stick with Skelton than draft another QB.
Seriously, do you think ANY of the rookies coming out of college will have a better grasp of the offense than John Skelton at next season’s camp? He has the tools and the intangibles, now let him develop.
Lol I think some of you don't know how to learn.
You don’t truly learn anything by sitting on the bench. “The only source of knowledge is experience.”
Im for bringing in a Vet. but only to compete for the job.
by MarcusJC on Dec 28, 2010 4:41 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
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