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Ten Guys who are About to Play Their Final Game as a Cardinal

The 17th week of the NFL season offers very little for 5-10 teams but it will give us a chance to waive goodbye to a couple of current Cardinals. Whether it be for money or simply poor play, here are ten guys who will be looking for work this offseason...

Deuce Lutui and Alan Faneca:It's no secret that the line play has been terrible this year, whether it's always been bad and KW just hid that fact or whether they've actually declined this season is a bit of a mystery however. One thing that I don't think is in question is that there will be turnover this offseason. Considering that Faneca and Lutuiare both free agents this offseason (technically Lutui could a RFA depending on the CBA situation), I highly doubt either returns in 2011. Faneca has been massively disappointing this season and despite Lutui's 71 games as a starter for this team he's still not an above average guard in this league. Unless the price is unbelievably low for Lutui, we'll be in the market for two new starters at the guard position next year.

Joey Porter and Gerald Hayes:Porter and Hayes will be cut for one reason above several others, together they'll earn $10 million next season under their current contracts ($5.75 and $4.25 respectively). Their absorbent salaries overshadow the fact that they're 30-something players who's talents now far outweigh their contributions on the field. It also doesn't help that their positions are currently being manned by promising rookies. Handing off starting jobs from Porter and Hayes to Shoefield and Washington and saving probably $9 million next year is a no-brainer.

Ben Patrick and Stephen Spach:Technically Patrick and Spach could still be RFA's next year and thus brought back for almost nothing in the offseason but the tight end position is an absolute disgrace and the opportunity to trim some fat should not be missed. Patrick, a once promising looking guy, has failed to win the starting job, stay healthy, or basically do anything to stand out amongst an absolute mediocre group of talent. Spach, a jack of all trades guy, does nothing special but I have a feeling Whisenhunt absolutely adores him. Whisenhunt, a former tight end himself, wants a complete tight end and Spach is the closest thing to that on the roster (geezI'm almost talking myself into him staying). Basically both are mediocre at best and a serious upgrade is needed.

Gabe Watson and Bryan Robinson:Watson, who's been inactive more than half the season, and Robinson, who's being vastly outplayed by a guy a decade younger than him, are both on the way out. Dan Williams is undoubtedly the future at the NT position and only a very cheap and short contract could bring back either of these guys. Watson, who I'm convinced was never the same since his fractured knee cap in early 2008, has had trouble keeping his weight down (a major black mark in Whiz's book) and would be smart to look for a change of scenery this offseason. Robinson, despite being a ceremonial starter for the entire season, is terrible and getting worse every day he ages.

Michael Adams:This is honestly the guy that I'm betting I'll be wrong on first, for one reason. Adams will come very cheap, whether he's a RFA or not. I know that Adams is a bit of a local hero but despite a couple picks this year, he's done nothing but prove he's nothing more than a solid special teams player. Six passes defended in 15 games as the nickel corner is worthless and building a stronger secondary is probably just as crucial as upgrading the pass rush.  

Steve Breaston: I saved the most controversial selection till the end. Breaston, without a weird ending to the CBA fiasco, should be a UFA this offseason and someone will over pay for his services. The team is apparently worried about knee injury that required surgery early this year and a reason they he played reduced snaps last week, but either way someone will throw bigger money than the Cardinals are willing to shell out this offseason. Some have referred to Breaston as a glorified Az-Zahir Hakim, a very good #3 receiver who can't cut it as a #2, but either way some team will offer him more than the Cardinals are willing to shell out.


There's my ten, take it or leave it. Of course guys like Derek Anderson and maybe Max Hall will be gone as well but that's too obvious. One guy who could also be on this list depending on the CBA is Tim Hightower, but we shall see. Thoughts?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.

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Agreed.

Cannot see any of the guys listed playing for the Cards next season…maybe Breaston, but there are so many other positions that need to be addressed, so the money should be spent on LBs, O-Line, the Secondary, and draft picks.

by WeDoThisTogether on Dec 29, 2010 11:26 AM MST reply actions  

I could see Lutui sticking around

He and Sendlein are our 2 best linemen, and neither one is terrible. Lutui is actually better than average in both run and pass blocking. In a perfect world, Brandon Keith makes the jump from decent to above average RT (don’t know if he’ll ever be elite, but I’ll take above average), we move Levi Brown in to LG (I think he would be a monster G), and draft or sign an elite LT, and keep Lutui and Sendlein. That would give us a line as follows:
Elite LT, Levi Brown, Sendlein, Lutui, Keith. I think we can have a pretty solid line if all of that falls into place.

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by robloosli on Dec 29, 2010 12:00 PM MST reply actions  

Yes!

Exactly my thoughts. Levi would be an absolute mauler in the run game with a lot less liability in the pass game. And I agree on Lutui, he is a guy we need to keep around

by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 29, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Great Point...

I mentioned in a few other articles we dont want Levi becoming Davis 2.0 (For those of you who dont remember Davis, he was a very high draft pick we stuck at tackle, and was a false start machine/turnstile…Dallas signed him a few years back and I believe he’s been a pro bowler ever since)

by Cardsfan928 on Dec 29, 2010 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I think we'd all love to see Levi moved inside, hell we've talked about it for several years

but this staff seems convinced that he can play outside. 2011 will be an interesting year considering it’s his last under contract.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 7:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I know several people have mentioned moving Levi inside

I’m definitely not the originator of the idea.

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by robloosli on Dec 30, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

If Steve Breaston leaves

Are there any other FA WR’s on the market worth looking at?

All I can think of is us drafting A.J, Green and letting Steve Breaston go.

by Skii on Dec 29, 2010 12:49 PM MST reply actions  

I think

We are still pretty stocked at WR, but If anyone goes I think it’s Doucet…He’s just injured all the time. I want to see more Stephen Williams he could have some serious impact with his size and speed…“COULD”

by Cardsfan928 on Dec 29, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Pretty good. Agree with most, but....

I’m hoping Lutui stays…He is the best interior lineman we have. And Deuce gives the line and team some character, which is something they need.
I’m fine with Porter going. Not sure on Hayes, and I wonder about the injury and coming back from it….might need more time off….but will trust the FO on that one.
I can see one of the TE’s (Spach) probably being kept
Adams had a good year, and should be kept (can’t believe I’m saying that, but its true)

On Breaston – it depends on the $$. I really like the guy, but there are so many young kids who can play this position, I’m not worried about it. Not to be a broken record, but the QB is the one who makes the WR position (look at what Brady, Manning, and Brees do with WRs no one has heard of until they play with these QBs). We obviously don’t have a QB, but I look at Breaston like when Boldin was unhappy. Depends on the money. If you can do it, great. If not, we’ve got Doucet and Roberts (quite pleased with his second half of the season) and we can bolster via FA, the draft or with the Williams kid.

by Cardzfan on Dec 29, 2010 12:59 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

As much as I like Breaston

I don’t think it would be terrible if he was gone. He’ll command pretty good money as a FA, and I’m not sure we need to spend the money on WR with Fitz, Doucet (when healthy), Roberts, Komar, and S Will in the stable. WR is one of those positions where you can find some stellar candidates later in the draft.

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by robloosli on Dec 29, 2010 2:17 PM MST reply actions  

Gotta keep Breaston

I think Lutui will stay too, he has played well this year.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 29, 2010 2:50 PM MST reply actions  

I love Boobs

(smirk)
I hope we can keep him because he is a high character guy who hustles. That’s a presence important keeping around the locker room.
We might keep Watson just because he will be our primary depth behind Williams and he knows the system after B-Rob retires.

by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 29, 2010 3:19 PM MST reply actions  

Hayes, Faneca, Spach, B-Rob are most likely gone

Not sure about Porter. I’m thinking the team would still need him as backup. I think Gabe should stay to provide depth at the NT position and since he’s familiar with the system.

Ben Patrick may not be a great TE but he’s our best TE and a good one also. I think he will be kept since the team can’t afford to draft another TE with all our needs at OL and Defense.

Money Mike has very much improved this year, sure he’s a still a liability in coverage at times, but less then before, not to mention his tackling is better then most. 15 pass deflections is pretty darn good for a nickel back, and Whiz had high praise for him, so I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

Deuce and Breaston are crucial to this team, imo and I don’t think they will be let go.

by CanadianCard on Dec 29, 2010 6:14 PM MST reply actions  

My 2 cents.

Lutui is the best player on the offensive line. No way they want him to walk. Faneca is done. He only had a one year contract anyway.

Porter and Hayes. One or both probably gone.

Patrick and Spach. Meh. Who cares? The guy selling sno cones in the parking lot could play tight end in this offense. It would be nice if they do upgrade. Dray has had a lot of play time for a 7th rounder.

Watson and Robinson. Robinson is gone. He signed a one year contract to come in and mentor Williams. Watson might manage to stay on the team as the back up. Might not.

Michael Adams’ play is greatly improved this season over last. He is the best tackler in our secondary. His only major failing is size. The Cardinals’ roster is loaded with DBs that couldn’t overtake they guy. Don’t see the Cardinals jettison Adams lightly but also don’t see him as a guaranteed guy either.

Breaston. They better god damn pay Breaston. This crap about him being a #3 WR is nonsense. He’s been the most clutch player on offense all season. I can’t imagine for a second that Whisenhunt wants Boobs to even sniff free agency. If Breaston goes it will be the fault of the FO.

Tim Hightower. Too many fumbles. Don’t see them putting up a big fight to keep him. On the other hand Beanie hasn’t pushed him out the door with his play either.

Anderson / Hall. We’ve already seen their last games.

by hadrarius on Dec 29, 2010 7:32 PM MST reply actions  

I'm on the same page as you

Not sure about Hightower. They like him, he shouldn’t be all that expensive… dunno.

by tw3kr on Jan 2, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Breaston Watson and Money Mike will be back. I am still not certain Hall won’t be kept as a cheap number 3 Hightower should be retained unless they sign someone superior.

Not sure why B Rob is here now,

Porter & Fanaca head about 10 miles to the Northwest, Sun City is a nice place

Hayes will be missed but it is probably time

Patrick and Spach, doubt any one will notice

Lutui, most overrated guy on the roster, won’t hurt my feelings if he is gone

Anderson, I will dancing in the street when he is gone.

Can we add Bill Davis to the list, please

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Dec 29, 2010 10:29 PM MST reply actions  

Bryan Robinson

Is mostly here to mentor Dan Williams.

I have to say, he’s done a great job mentoring him.

by Skii on Dec 30, 2010 12:40 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

Maybe he can stay on as a coach…

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 30, 2010 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Good list!

I love Breaston but Roberts just made him very expendable, especially with S Will waiting for his shot and that pesky Max Komar!

I think Duece will be here though, probably angry Gabe to, he is a great back up. He was just odd man out with Robinson.

I’d like to see us get Larrys contract taken care of ASAP!

by Punisher3190 on Dec 29, 2010 10:58 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Fitz's new contract will happen a lot faster

If we get a new QB. It’s really as simple as that.

If he sees that we’re getting a new (Good) QB to start, he’ll stay, because he’ll realize that we actually want to win.

by Skii on Dec 30, 2010 12:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you're going a bit too far by saying that Andre could take Breaston's spot

Sure he’s improved, but nowhere near being a number 2.

I’m really surprised that a lot of fellow fans don’t mind seeing Breaston leave.

by CanadianCard on Dec 30, 2010 12:57 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I can only speak for myself

I love Breaston. But if he’s going to be one of those top FA’s this off-season, I’m not sure the money should be spent here.
Roberts isn’t a #2, nor am I comfortable with him (or Doucet) stepping into Breaston’s spot at this point so that’s a problem. I’m sure he was probably drafted with this in mind, though. And they’re still probably looking at Doucet if the guy can stay healthy for more than 2 games..

But it’ll come down to the numbers, and all the other needs, and where the money is going to be spent, and on whom….

by Cardzfan on Dec 30, 2010 6:37 AM MST up reply actions  

you're right money will be the key

I don’t think there’s any doubt that the team will want/try to retain him but price will likely be the deciding factor. I really can’t see us paying him more than $5 mil a season.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 6:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I thought about Haggans but he's much cheaper than Porter or Hayes

He’s only on the books for $2.5 next year and he’s a good guy for depth considering he can play all over.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 6:53 AM MST up reply actions  

My Take.

Hayes and Porter- I said at the beginning of the year that Hayes would be gone and you should have seen the backlash. It was like I had said Kurt Warner or something. Porter is just washed up. He has not lived up to billing (or maybe he has according to Miami fans).
Lutui and Faneca- There is no way he leaves. His riff with Whiz was about money and his eventual weight gain. Don’t confuse money with semantics. Faneca pulls well, but that’s it. His pass blocking is definitely on decline. He was brought for his rep and to be that extra coach on the field (didn’t help AT ALL).
Patrick and Spach- I’ve rooted for Patrick since he was drafted. I’ve done smarter things. He has hit his ceiling which is pretty low if I might add. Spach, I still like but don’t know why. Can someone help me with this one?
Watson and B-Rob- Sponge Bob Square Back has done nothing to even be a good back up on this team. I won’t miss him. B-Rob just needs to retire to save face from being cut.
Money Mike must stay. Too much heart. If you’re gonna use his liability in coverage (which is perfectly understandable because of his position) as a reason to let him loose, than you must also use that same logic with A-Dub, another DB. Its only fair, right? Money Mike is good in run support and has a nose for the ball. He is also the man on special teams.
Breaston- He is our oldest WR and although I would love to keep him here, I’m fine with him leaving. To me Early gets a pass on his health for this season. DA threw him into bad positions all season. As a trooper he tried to still reel in the catch but paid the price for it. Even Skelton does a better job of keeping his receivers clean. Which leads to my next point.
DA and Max- must go. Period.

If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.

by hevchv on Dec 30, 2010 6:45 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Wow I had no idea Lutui was such a controversial guy

It seems pretty split on whether he sucks or he’s the best player on the OL. Very interesting

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 7:16 AM MST reply actions  

I guess I can't put my finger on what he does really well

I’ve heard some describe him as a mauler who excels in the run game but I’ve never really seen it when I watch the guy. If someone asked me to write a scouting report on him, I’d have no idea what to list as a positive other than that he doesn’t totally suck at any one aspect of the game.

I don’t personally think he’s the worst on the OL but I don’t see anything he does well enough for this team to keep him around. If he wasn’t a FA, I wouldn’t be advocating him being gone but I just don’t see him as a guy who we’ll fight to keep.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

This offensive line pretty much just sucks.

Lutui being average would make him better than the rest. Faneca is out. He had a one year deal and is “considering retirement”. I don’t see the point of a wholesale gutting of the offensive line. We will need to bring in another guard anyway or start two brand new players at that position. So Lutui I see staying by default if nothing else. The other four spots need upgrading more.

by hadrarius on Dec 30, 2010 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

while that may be true....

what’s the point of keeping someone who is just average, especially if the price is higher than we expect. I’d much rather upgrade the spots as guys contracts run out. Like I said in the original story, I could see him returning if the price is really cheap, I just think at some point we have to set a standard that “average” isn’t good enough.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 31, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I get you.

I don’t disagree with the concept of your strategy at all. It makes a lot of sense. I don’t think that the Cardinals will implement it in this case though. With Faneca on the way out cutting Lutui loose would leave Rex Hadnot as the only carry over at guard going into next season. They did trade Reggie Wells before the season started too. I think they made their choice then.

by hadrarius on Dec 31, 2010 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

That's right, 3 year contract for Hadnot.

I think the same. Hadnot and Lutui end up starters. Whatever happens the left side of the line needs to be replaced.

by hadrarius on Jan 2, 2011 5:45 PM MST up reply actions  

my take -

Lutui is one of our best linemen….
but that might not be saying a lot compared to other o-lines and guards…..

by Cardzfan on Dec 30, 2010 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

It's All About the Benjamins...

Much of your “cut list” will be determined by how much these guys expect to be paid. I can see a few of the guys gone simply because their backups are better players, but I can also see a few stick around for depth. I guess it depends on their ego and how much of their own hyperbole they believe.

As far as who I think might stick around from your list…Duece (he’s young and he’s still improving), Hayes (he might take a pay cut and his play may have suffered because of his injury), Watson (he still young and he adds depth), maybe Breaston and Adams…we’ll see. The TE’s are on shaky ground because of their shaky play, and the others are mostly old castoff re-treads from other teams.

by Eric M on Dec 30, 2010 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

Duece has started over 70 games in this league

At some point, he is what he is and that’s either good enough or it’s not.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Darren Urban

Said that the Cardinals are going to want Deuce Lutui back, but it depends on what Deuce Lutui wants.

Also, he said that if Alan Faneca doesn’t retire, then he can see him in a Cardinals uniform next season.

by Skii on Dec 30, 2010 11:16 PM MST reply actions  

Might not want a huge contract either if he does decide to come back

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 31, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

this group was horrible most of the year. They need to do something with it…

by Cardzfan on Dec 31, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Even though Whiz said this was the best line he ever had...

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

by JoeCB1991 on Jan 2, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Well

They have improved…
Their not terrible any more, just bad…

by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 31, 2010 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Breaston

I hope beyond hope that they can retain Steve Breaston. If and that is a big if Early can stay heathy then Breaston can go back to the slot and that would make for a more formitable WR roster. I think it a shame to stick with a guy, develope him just to loose him to free agencey.

by jakenit16 on Jan 4, 2011 10:47 AM MST reply actions  

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