What's In A Game
With both the Cardinals and the 49ers fighting over who is the best of the worst in a poor division, one has to wonder what does either team have to play for- or rather, what does either team have to win for. If the Cardinals lose they will be drafting between 2nd and 5th. If they win they will be drafting between 6th and 10th. On the surface it would seem like the Cardinals would want to take a dive. After all drafting 2-5 has to be better than 6-10 Right? That would be true if there is a player the Cardinals wanted that they figured would only be available 2-5. As I look at this draft class I really don't think that person exists. (I am assuming that Carolina will take Luck if he comes out.) After that who would the Cardinals want? I don't think there is another QB that merits that high of pick. (Remember the issue is not just about reaching with a pick it is also about over paying for a player and tieing your hands for years to come.) Mallett and Locker are late 1st early 2nd. Gabbert (if he comes out) might be a possibility although this seems high for him as well. Newton is a very athletic project. I might take him in the 2nd but top 5 is way too much money for a QB that will take at least a couple of years to teach how to play NFL QB and Whizenhunts read-progression system. (It is easy to see that next year's success will be based on if Bidwills will spend money and if Graves will get it done. They have spend at least 25-40 mil less this year in player salary than last year and you tend to get what you paid for- but that is a topic for another post.)
So if there is no QB worth targeting that high, who would the Cardinals consider? Green* is worth it and there is plenty of talk that Breaston and Doucet won't be back. But drafting and paying another receiver that much may send the wrong message to Fitzgerald, (although I think Green is one of the best WR draft prospects in a decade.) A #2 WR would be better found in FA or resigning Breaston.
The OLB and ILB definately need an upgrade. ILB is a mid-round position to draft so will not be considered in the 1st round. Two OLB fit for the Cardinals and both prospects, in my opinion, are worthy of a top 10 pick. Robert Quinn is big and fast. Ryan Kerrigan is big and strong with a great motor. Both could move to the OLB. Quinn reminds me of Petters and Kerrigan reminds me some of Hali and Woodley. I'd be happy with either and one of them will be there 6-10.
CB might also be an option. Peterson and Amukamra are both worthy of a top 10 pick. Peterson is a stud and a heavy hitter who can cover. He could play either corner or safety. Amukamara is more of a pure corner in the hips and style. One will be there 6-10.
Whizenhunt has made it clear he intends to stay with the 3-4 so the top DL in the draft (and there are around 4 who will likely do in the top 10) will not be on the Cardinals radar since they have thier future starting DL.
OT could also be considered but this year there are not any stand-out OT that will likely do in the top 10. Not to mention there will porbably be several quality OT in the 2nd-3rd rounds if the Cardinals have that as a high priority.
The rest of the positions, such as TE, ILB, OG/C, RB are not ones you would pick in the top 10. Safety will not be a 1st round target either.
So in the end it comes down to whether it is worth tanking for Green (and that just doesn't make sense to me- and Green may not even come out) or tanking because the Cardinals really wanted Quinn over Kerrigan. In the end I am not sure it is that big of a deal if the Cardinals draft 2-5 or 6-10. I would be just as happy with Kerrigan as Quinn and pay a little less. All of that said, I want the Cardinals to win Sunday, and win big!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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Let’s get a franchise one…Although let it be known I’m a big fan of Jim Dray
I'm a big Jim Dray fan too!
by Punisher3190 on Dec 29, 2010 10:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm a big Jim Dray fan too!
by Punisher3190 on Dec 29, 2010 10:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think Dray has potential to be really good
As long as he stops dropping passes. He seems to be a solid, not spectacular blocking TE, and can run decent routes. He was injured at Stanford last year I think. Wonder if that’s affecting his productivity as a rookie.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Just imagine for a second
how good he could be if he was reunited with Luck.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
I think that would be the most glorious reunion ever
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Don't think they'll go TE...
They’ll give Dray a chance. Too many other needs
Rather win
Winning shows that the team is still behind Whiz, that they haven’t given up, and because lower draft picks are cheaper. Lord knows how cheap the Bidwells are.
If Rod Graves walked into the locker room and asked the team to take a dive...
I think San Francisco would be given the biggest ass whipping their franchise has ever been victim to. This game is going to be a grudge match as is. There is nothing for either team to play for but pride. Ending the season with all divisional games was the slickest move this commisioner has made.
As for draft targets, I wouldn’t wholly rule out a first round ILB. Washington would have been our first pick last season if Williams had been off the board. It is hard to imagine one going so high though. One prospect at OLB that would be an instant fit you didn’t mention is Von Miller. He’s not a DE or some kind of hybrid stand up DE either. He’s an OLB in a 3-4 defense (Texas A&M). For that reason alone I could see him creeping up the board for the Cardinals.
The problem with Von Miller is he's a one trick pony.....
like Aaron Maybin, just pure speed rushing move. he has nothing else. all his sacks are a result of pure attempts. I think Schofield provides that and more BUT Robert Quinn is a special talent.
Maybin
never had to play with his hand off of the ground.
Miller’s legit. He’s a bit thin, but he’s a real 3-4 OLB that’s good at rushing the passer.
I love Schofield, but we need more than just him.
true that
I’m not completely sold on Miller but I haven’t really watched much tape on him this year. I know when he almost came out last year I thought he gave up on plays at times. Still though he’s one of the top OLB prospects this year and could easily be a top 10 or 15 pick.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 7:30 AM MST up reply actions
I think
he’s the best OLB in the draft. And I was wrong, his best attribute is his pass rush ability.
Unless AJ Green drops to us, I think Miller should be our target.
Combining Miller with Schofield might actually give us a legit pass rush off the edges.
absolutely
Quinn is the best defensive end in the draft, but that’s as a 4-3 DE. Von Miller seems to be by far the best 3-4 OLB. And his strength is rushing the passer, which is what we need.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m sick of making 4-3 DE’s into stand up 3-4 OLBs. We haven’t had a ton of success with that, and in general for the league, it’s a bit of a crap shoot. Schofield is great, but unfortunately for him, his injury is why we were able to get him.
that is very true
Even the great 3-4 defenses still have their busts trying to turn DE’s into OLB’s.
If our pick is in the 5-7 range, is that too early for Miller though. I haven’t seen any mocks with him that high. A quick 40 could change that pretty quickly but right now he doesn’t seem to be rated that highly.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 30, 2010 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
I know
the value isn’t right, but for argument sake, if it were between Quinn and Miller, I like Miller. If it’s between Miller and say, Fairley (best available player), I might go ahead and reach for Miller.
But, I can see Miller’s stock rising during the postseason.
Miller rising
is entirely possible simply because the 3-4 defense is played by only a handful of college teams. A first round rated player at OLB could easily slide up our board into the top ten. No conversion necessary = major bonus points. His size is on par with our current LBs. If all he can do is pass rush, fine. It’s exactly the thing we need the most. Schofield and Washington will only get our LB corp halfway. We need 2 more from this draft.
+1
We’ve had success with late project picks before. That’s when we should look for a DE → to OLB project.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 30, 2010 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
watched Kiper's draft special last night on ESPN News last night
and he had MIller 10th overall. Not bad, especially considering he had Quinn 9th overall.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 31, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
That is not how it happens, (graves walking into the locker room)
The don’t come out and tell the players to lose. They just play all the young guys to see what they have. Then they vanilla the playbook on both sides of the ball with the excuse that they want to see the young guys. They try crazy plays like calling fake field goals, etc. If the plays work, they win (Denver game) and if not they lose (Carolina), but the coach gets some film on how the rookies play and respond on the final meaningless drives of the game.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 30, 2010 7:34 AM MST up reply actions
I wasn't serious about Graves actually doing that.
I think Wolfley said it best in that the idea of a team actually intentionally tanking a game is a fantasy football mindset. It’s not in the interest of any player to under perform on purpose.
I guess it's different in the player's eyes
To them, this is their job. If they do bad, they’re going to get fired.
Drafting A.J. Green won't send the wrong message to Fitz
I’m not saying we should draft him, but Fitz has said he misses Anquan Boldin’s presence on the field, and A.J. Green has been compared to Fitz. It’ll take away some of the attention that Defense’s we play shower on Fitz.
As for who we should draft, who knows, maybe Carolina will decide that sticking with Jimmy Clausen is the smart/cheap way to go. Of course, this is just me being hopeful.
New HC, new QB. Too easy.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
I remember that a bunch of people here wanted Nick Foles
U of A’s Bowl game last night really turned me off of that idea. Foles is good, but he plays in a system that I don’t think translates to the NFL very well. Most of his throws are the short little 5 yard passes it seems like with an occasional deep pass thrown in. And you can say the same thing about the ASU offense, I don’t think either of them translate well to the NFL.
The ESPN people were also talking about OSU having a bad pass defense, and they picked off Foles three times. Not good…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Yeah, I think he is going to come back for his senior year anyway
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I'd rather win
Anytime you beat the 49ers, it’s a good thing! It’s not QUITE as satisfying as beating the Cowboys, but it’s close. The 49ers are like our polished brother you just want to punch in the face, but they’re still our NFC West bretheren. The ‘Boys, on the other hand, are like the “popular kid” who needs an ass-kickin’ to come back to Earth.
As far as Draft implications go, it’s not important to me. In fact, I’d rather see the Cards pick around #10 and spend some more on Free Agents. Change the defense to a 4-3, get Skelton some reps or bring in a quality starter, and fine-tune the OL, and this team is right back into the playoffs in 2011.

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