Quarterback Controversy After The Cardinals 19-6 Loss To The St. Louis Rams.
First off, let me just say that I'm sorry the post is up this late. Like I said earlier, I had to go to a Wedding for my Cousin and I just got back from it around the time the 4th Quarter of the Ravens/Steelers game and they did a very nice job setting the thing up. I'm very happy for her and her new husband, and I hope everything goes well for them.
Now as for this thing, when I left I listened to the game on the radio until I got to where the Wedding was (around the start of the second half) and after that I just followed the game on my phone, so if there is anything that I missed please mention it in the comments. As for the game itself, this loss is all on a horrible effort by the Offense because the Defense did play well only allowing one Touchdown. Quarterback questions are also around following what I assume is a concussion suffered by Derek Anderson and a dislocated shoulder for rookie Max Hall. If nobody else can play, rookie John Skelton will make his first start.
Positives:
After being forced into the game following injuries to the other two Quarterbacks, John Skelton seemed to show some promise going 3 of 6 for 45 yards. Now that the Cardinals season is pretty much over now that they are 3-9, I have no problems with giving him the start next week against the Broncos.
Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower both put up good numbers on their limited carries, Hightower had 15 carries for 81 yards, and Beanie had 3 carries for 24 yards (although I believe they were all in the first quarter).
Larry Fitzgerald tied Anquan Boldin's franchise record with 586 catches after grabbing 4 passes for 61 yards.
The Defense as a whole played well, besides a 27 yard run by Steven Jackson they did not allow a Touchdown, the Defense was also able to prevent the Rams from scoring a Touchdown all three times they made it into the Red Zone.
Kerry Rhodes had another solid performance, this time he was able to get an Interception (one of the few that he has thrown in recent weeks) and a Sack of Sam Bradford along with his seven tackles and two pass deflections.
Sam Bradford was only 18 of 29 for 187 yards and a Pick.
Jay Feely made both of his Field Goal attempts in the 1st Quarter. He is also 14 of 15 on Field Goals this season with his only miss being a 54 yarder.
Negatives:
With the injuries to Derek Anderson and Max Hall, Quarterback Depth is now an issue. Will John Skelton get the start next week, or will the Cardinals sign someone off the street?
Anderson continued with his tendency to get off to a good start and then proceed to wet the bed with his 7 of 20 for 93 yards and a Pick performance that is just nauseating. His Pick also led to a Field Goal to end the 1st Half for the Rams. Max Hall also struggled going 1 of 3 for 10 yards and a Pick along with the two Sacks he took.
On two plays, the Cardinals had 12 men on the field during Field Goal attempts by the Rams, the first one drew a flag that gave the Rams a 1st Down, the second one caused the Cardinals to burn a Time Out.
Even though the Cardinals ran the ball well in the 1st half, they pretty much completely got away from it in the second half.
The Cardinals were 1 of 11 on 3rd down.
The Cardinals have fallen to 3-9, their losing streak has gone to 7 games in a row, and their season is effectively over.
Again, if there is anything I missed because I was not able to watch the entire game, please mention it in the comments and I will add it to the article.
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Quick question
Since we’re most probably going to draft a QB in the 1st Round, and assuming Andrew Luck is picked up before we choose, Jake Locker or Ryan Mallett? The fact that Ryan Mallett has a big frame and big arm, I have a feeling that might scare the Cardinals FO that he’ll be a DA-type QB, and they’ll go for Jake Locker.
I'd say they would be even more turned on by it.
With Mallet and Locker, I would be okay with either of them.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Big frame and big arm, like Skelton too.
Don’t see that scaring them away. Mallett seems to fit the profile Whisenhunt is setting. Whitehurst is another guy they wanted in that mold.
Mallet has been the better player than Locker this year too.
Completion Percentage has gone up from 55% to 65%, and he is averaging almost 10 yards per attempt right now.
For comparisons sake, DA was at 50% for his entire career at OSU. During his Sophomore year he only completed 47% of his throws (he had almost 450 of them too). His best was 54% in his Senior year.
Although Locker has been pretty clutch in some games this year. Overtime against Oregon State, the late TD against Washington State, and the other game I can’t think of where he led them to the game winning TD in the final seconds of game.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
But you have to consider
The fact that Jake Locker isn’t playing for a college like Auburn or anything. Cam Newton has so many weapons beside him, I would be surprised if he didn’t play good, whereas Jake Locker has a lot less offensive weapons around him, but still plays like he plays today.
That’s something to consider: A QB who plays pretty good on a bad team.
Yeah, Locker is doing as much as he can with a bad team
He just got them to their first Bowl Game in years.
Like I said, I would be fine with either of them as the QB next year.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
what is
your definition of a “QB who plays pretty good” in regards to Locker?
His completion % this year is 56.6%, that is horrible for a 4 year starter. His career completion % is 54%.
His numbers this year and for his career do not equate to a first round pick. It would be a horrible mistake for the Cards to use their first round pick on him.
2nd round, sure, why not? But he has not shown the ability to make progressions, throw from the pocket or throw with any touch. He’s Derek Anderson with the ability to run.
I've heard Mallet doesn't project well at the pro level anymore
Sounds like his stock has plummeted.
I’m interested in Foles. He’s the only one of the bunch I’ve really gotten to watch.
Maybe I just haven't seen enough of Foles
but he doesn’t seem to play a style that fits what Whisenhunt wants, i.e. a guy who chucks it downfield big time. Not saying Foles can’t make those passes. The UofA offense doesn’t call for it much though.
Yeah, watching the ASU-U of A game he was just throwing a lot of short routes and for most of the first half he was missing every deep throw.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I also don't think
The Cardinals would want to draft him because he comes from UoA, and a lot of Cardinals fans are ASU fans who wouldn’t really want to cheer for the guy they’ve been booing for the last few years.
A lot of Cardinals fans are UofA fans too.
I don’t think the organization would care about it. I don’t think they would draft him anyway either.
Foles may not even come out this year.
Especially with the doubt about the 2011 season… I do like him. He’s accurate, especially in the short to mid range passes, and he usually does a good job with his progressions. Sometimes it takes him too long to settle, but one more season in college may help that.
I think it's best for the Cardinals to draft an OLB in the 1st round and sign Bulger or Mcnabb to fill as QB
They’re stop gaps at worst till Skeleton and who ever else is back up develops. But yeah, we really need an OLB to replace Porter.
by CanadianCard on Dec 5, 2010 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
We need a franchise QB
I doubt that Donovan McNabb will be released in the Off-season, and signing Marc Bulger would be good if we drafted Andrew Luck or Jake Locker. He could be the veteran backup who’s there as insurance.
If we don’t draft a QB in the 1st Round, then I’ll automatically know that we’re trying to save money or the guy’s picking the Draft’s are morons. QB is our biggest need, and if we try to go cheap like this year, then we’ll be in for another long season.
Although I think
that replacing our back 4 could use some consideration. Exactly what is the average age of our starting LBs?
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Have to take that QB this year.
Decent play at QB would have us on top of the division or at least in the running. They need to take advantage of draft position this year. With as shaky as our division is we may not have such an opportunity to nab a franchise type guy later.
Decent play would have us at 8-4, 7-5 at worst.
Good QB play would have us at 9-3.
We were so spoiled by Warner…
Hall was atrocious. I was glad to see Skelton come in and not a return of Anderson.
Was not aware at the time of a possible concussion to Anderson. That may be a little subterfuge, though why they would bother I don’t know.
It is either a concussion or a head injury
I thought he was just benched when I first saw it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
In Hall's defense he didn't even get out from under center before he was getting pummelled.
I was impressed by Skelton though. He looked calm and in control and he threw some nice passes. I want to see what he can do with a week of first team practice. BTW I was at the game and before he came in the chants for Skelton were pretty loud.
by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 6, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions
McMuffin on sunday night football.
All night Cris Collinsworth was bashing McFadden for his performance both in tonight’s game and the earlier match between the Ravens and Steelers. Anyone who watched this game should now be convinced that ditching McFadden was the right move. For once I didn’t find Collinsworth so irritating. The steelers defense is incredible. McMuffin is the weak link on it. The Ravens exposed that badly.
I was smiling
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I hope you know we not drafting a QB
I think Skelton gets a start and the coaches would like what they see. Our Oline sucks maybe the draft should go there
Depends on how well he does if he does start for the rest of the year.
We all saw what happened with Maximus after the New Orleans game.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
But Maximus looks like a deer in headlights.
I rooted for the guy, but he just looked so scared. I could see it coming.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
If Skelton starts I see us going 6-10 and out of the top 10. That would suck to have a nobody pick in a nobody draft.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
I get the feeling that they're going to stick with Skeleton, why else did they trade up to draft him?
upgrading the O-line is very important, specifically at the positions Faneca and Levi are playing in.
by CanadianCard on Dec 6, 2010 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
We just suck all around.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
We're not drafting a QB?
So you’re saying that if Andrew Luck or Jake Locker is still around when we’re ready to pick, we’re just going to let them go? We’ve passed up way too many franchise players in the past. You have to realize that the FO has the fans to think about too. By drafting a QB, we address our biggest need, and at the same time reignite the fan’s interest. New QB=Hope.
If John Skelton does amazing, passes for a ton of yardage/TD’s, wins us the remaining games, and all in all looks like an NFL QB, then yeah, we probably won’t draft a QB, but even if he plays decent, we’ll probably draft Lucker, and then keep him as our backup or something.
If Locker is around and we draft him high in the first round
I will be severely disappointed. I don’t see him being anywhere close to as good as people seem to think. Luck I think would be worth a gamble, Locker not at all before the 3rd round.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Forget the O line
We desperately need an edge pass rusher
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 6, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
It doesn't matter who our QB is if our offensive line can't stop a 1 man rush
by kjm12 on Dec 6, 2010 7:47 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
why not cam newton?
he has an arm, seems to look ok in the pocket, and has monster athleticism. he’s projected to go ahead of every qb except Luck from the last mock that I saw. The FO would prob just have to give cecil some dough for the rights to draft to his son:) but other than that hurdle he could be pretty good. I have a hard time believing that he couldn’t be an NFL caliber player the way he plays. I am unsure why Locker gets so much hype, he can’t win in college, what makes everyone think he can do it at the next level? He’s never once impressed me, though I’m not a scout and maybe there’s something I missed… but talented or not, there seems to be more talent around the NCAA than Locker…
Couldn't agree more
Locker is not an NFL QB. He isn’t accurate in college and won’t be accurate in the NFL. newton has a higher learnign curve because he plays in a sread offense, but compare him to Josh freeman and Big ben, and he has the same tools:
Big body, strong arm, mobile in the pocket. If you watch him play, he goes through his progressions decently well on designed pass plays. A lot of his runs are designed running plays. He’s nothing like pre-prison Mike Vick who looked at one read and took off.
Another QB to keep an eye on is Tyrod Taylor out of VaTech. That guy is a player.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
I have seen the receivers for Washington drop a lot of passes that were thrown right to him
Newton has a hell of a lot more talent around him than Locker does.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I'm sure all teams drop some passes, some more than others
But to say receiver drops as the reason why he isn’t accurate is a stretch. Auburn has basically the same team this year that they had last year, and Newton has made a HUGE difference in their W-L record.
I’m not saying that we should draft Newton, I’m just saying that I don’t think Locker is the answer either, and if a gun was to my head and I head I would want to pick Newton over Locker. I would take quite a few over Locker in that situation. If push came to shove, I would only hang the hopes of our franchise on one QB coming out of the draft and that’s Andrew Luck.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
All I'm really saying is that Locker is on a pretty bad team as a whole
Newton was on a team that was 8-5 last year. Not a great record, but a hell of a lot better than Washington’s 5-7.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
It's going to depend on who's available...
They need to take the best available at positions of need. If a QB with first round talent they like is available when they pick in Round 1, they should take him. But to reach just because they need a QB would be a mistake. Go for the O-Line or pass rush, but take best available. Maybe Skelton will prove to be the guy and make all this a moot point (he looked pretty composed, but if there’s a trial by fire in the NFL, it’s playing behind the Card’s O-line). QB has to be fixed tho, whether free agency, trade or draft, or this is just the beginning of a new dark ages…
by psknapp on Dec 6, 2010 10:32 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Correct about Defense
They played well. At least, the Rams didn’t score that much, and we should have scored more than them with our receivers and, wait for it, runningbacks.

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