Chevy's Corner: My Thoughts on How to Fix Things, Step 1.
by hevchv on Dec 5, 2010 11:02 PM MST
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PrintFirst let me preface this by saying that I still don't agree with AZRetiree that Whiz is intentionally tanking the season. With that said, "in Whiz I NO LONGER Trust." I have played the "good wife" for too long. I can no longer support someone who isn't trying. I honestly believe there are just too many issues for Whiz to fix in one offseason to turn this ship around. The quarterback situation has proven to be a munumental blunder. No matter how many ypc our backs accomplish, we always end up passing the ball 40+ times a game. Yes I know we often are playing from behind, but we start the birrage of passes before the game is even out of reach. What happened to playing to your players' strengths? Our line is not built for pass protection and our QBs are not built for passing (literally). Skelton did show a ray of hope tonight but the season is already lost. He might as well start the rest of the season now. Never mind. He might actually start winning some games and ruin our chances at a Top 5 Pick.
Russ Grimm is the Man. Just not our Man. I have no doubt he will make a good head coach. It just feels right with him. But he has done nothing to improve our offensive line. Oh and let me beat you to the punch. "Imagine how bad the line would be without him." Then guess what? I blame Whiz for putting this sorry group of bums together. I probably shouldn't write while I am angry, but it just seems to flow right now. Anyway, our defense has no room to speak. This is the worst I have seen it in years, not just the worst in the league. At this point it is just time for a fresh start. And I believe Jim Harbaugh would be the man to do it. His offense is couldn't be any worse than ours and his 3-4 defense would surely be an upgrade over our current version.
I am ready for a truly balanced offense that is powerful in the run game, yet able to keep drives alive with the passing game. Whiz has put too much on his plate this season and has burnt out. His play calling has left something to be desired. I mean seriously, what is the purpose of having a run game coordinator and a passing game coordinator if you are still gonna run your own plays? 1st down pass, 2nd down run, 3rd down pass, 4th down punt. Pretty predictable. And as for the defense, I think if I could download the playbook from Madden '99, we'd have better luck. Billy Boy's defense is worse than the defense on Techmo Bowl. And that includes the tackling. The other teams just seem to tap the "A" button faster than we do.
Is it really that unclear that the coaching staff has lost the locker room? DRC's quote alone should help with that. I think it was on the lines of "forget technique, just play the way we play." At this point you would have to move far too many players to regain the locker room. The better solution would be to just remove the coaching staff and start anew. Whiz was what we needed at the time. Now that time has passed and we need to continue to move the needle forward. At this pace we will end up with Luck anyway. We might as well nab his coach for the familiarty it will bring. He will be a hot commodity this offseason and despite our down falls, I think our roster could be enticing. Probowl skill players just needing the right mix of glue guys and coaching to make this thing work. Enough with my rambling. I don't even think I made much sense anyway, but the moral of this story is don't tell Retiree he is right about moving on from Whiz. Thoughts????
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I don’t think we should give up on Coach Whiz after one bad (Terrible) season, but his coaching skills have gone down a lot since Kurt Warner left. He’s making some bad decisions, and one of those was waiting this long to pull DA. The season was pretty much lost a few games ago. Why not give the start to our rookies and see how they do? Max Hall didn’t work out, fine, throw in John Skelton. I’ll support Coach Whiz, but he needs to give his staff a makeover for the next coming season.
If we had a decent QB, we could have doubled our win total by now. There are so many games we could’ve won with decent QB play. For example, the Seahaws, Bucs, Chiefs, and now Rams games. But in all those games, the QB’s played terrible, they couldn’t throw any TD passes unless there was 0.3 seconds left in the 4th Quarter, and we were down by 14.
All in all, this season was wasted. It’s looking like Andrew Luck will fall in our laps. If not him, draft Jake Locker. Both are fine by me. We have a lot of problems to fix, but if we can make the right moves, starting with Lucker, then we should have a good season in 2011.
Fool's Gold.
Even had we won a few of those games, we might not have seen how truly awful we are. At least now there is no mirage. We are what our record says we are.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
Let's give the Defense some credit
They weren’t awful today. I mean, c’mon, how good can you be when you know that as hard as you play it’s just going to result in a 3 and out? They kept the Rams to pretty much only FG’s, and minus the Steven Jackson TD, were decent today.
We can’t keep hating on them for the sake of hating on them. Insult them when they deserve to be insulted, like after the Vikings game. But this game, they deserve to get some credit.
I think the defense did a really good job today.
But seriously. How many times have we said that this season? 2 maybe 3 times. As a whole body of work, we have grossly underachieved this season.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
No doubt about that.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
+1000000000000000
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Dan Williams
He was a ray of hope for me. He stuffed Steven Jackson several times on up the middle attempts. If he keeps improving we could have ourselves a very good NT for the future. And in the passing situations we have Branch to come in. Good rotation.
Its time to start all the young guys.
We have nothing else to lose.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
We dont have the LBs to run the 3-4. This team should go back to the 4-3. (Dockett, Branch, Williams, Campbell
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 6, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
don't forget
Gabe Watson and Kenny iwebema rotating in, and possibly using Schofield as the rush end. I believe we could have a very strong D-Line if we went back to the 4-3.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Williams had that bat down in the red zone too.
At first I thought it was Campbell but nope, it was big ass Dan Williams all the way. Would have been a touchdown too. No one was covering the tight end.
Whiz deserves one more season.
But even I am getting fed up. I think he redeemed himself a little bit by putting Skelton in and not going back to DA.
About 4 games too late.
The season has been lost for some time now. Someone (I can’t take the credit) was extremely worried after our 3-2 start. After reading their comments, I went back and started looking at the games a little closer and got that same bad feeling.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
I said before pre-season we'd be lucky to win 6 games this year...
and I got torched on here, lol. Told you so…
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
Seriously?
You guys are giving up on Whiz because of one bad season?
What did the coach do last year? Division champs
Year before that? NFC champs. 1st EVER SUPER-BOWL APPEARANCE
Look we NEED changes to this coaching staff. Just the right people.
For example: Billy Davis, Russ Grim, We need an O coordinator.
Whiz needs to pass off play calling to a new play caller, we need a new D coordinator(although D played well tonight), and Grimm hasn’t helped our excuse of a o-line.
But to get of Whiz? Are you mad? How many terrible seasons did we have to endure with Denny Green with NO success. We FINALLY get a HC that knows his stuff and can coach a team, and after 1 terrible year people want him canned?
That is a textbook definition of a knee-jerk reaction.
Every team and player has their bad years, and if you don’t believe me look at Peyton Manning this year.
by Will Smith on Dec 6, 2010 1:21 AM MST reply actions 4 recs
Allow me to copy and paste from wikipedia what is written about Whiz and STILL tell me he needs to go...
source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Whisenhunt
On January 14, 2007 the Arizona Cardinals hired Whisenhunt as their new head coach, with a contract to receive an average of $2.5 million annually. Whisenhunt had also interviewed for the head coaching position with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Atlanta Falcons and Miami Dolphins. The Cardinals showed improvement in Whisenhunt’s first season, finishing 8-8 after finishing 5-11 the previous two seasons and losing 10 or more games in seven of the previous eight campaigns. It was their first non-losing season since 1998, though they still failed to make the playoffs.
Going into his second season in 2008, Whisenhunt made the decision to go with veteran quarterback Kurt Warner as his starter. In previous seasons, Warner had split time with the team’s younger quarterback Matt Leinart, although Warner started the final 11 games of the 2007 season after Leinart suffered a season-ending injury. This decision has paid off as Warner has put up great numbers in leading the Cardinals to a 9-7 regular season record in the 2008 season and the NFC West Division championship, the Cardinals’ first division title since 1975, when the team played in St. Louis, and the club’s first playoff berth since 1998. After defeating the Atlanta Falcons and the Carolina Panthers in the first two rounds of the NFC playoffs, the Cardinals defeated the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC Championship on January 18, 2009 and advanced to the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history to face the Pittsburgh Steelers, where Whisenhunt formerly occupied the post of offensive coordinator. Whisenhunt’s Cardinals lost the game 27-23.
The following season, Whisenhunt led the Cardinals to a 10-6 record and another NFC West Division championship. The Cardinals then advanced past the first round of the playoffs by beating the Green Bay Packers 51-45 in overtime before losing to the eventual Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints 45-14 in the next round.
by Will Smith on Dec 6, 2010 1:27 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
wow thank u. How many sorry head coaches are there in this league, cards are LUCKY to have whiz and not chilly or kubiak or McIdiot etc.
by Ogre7 on Dec 6, 2010 1:38 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
How was Whiz's play calling last season?
The world may never know. Kurt changed a good number of the plays at the line of scrimmage. Who’s to say Whiz was the master mind then. If DA was our QB last year would we still have gone 10-6? Probably not even 6-10. The last two seasons have been barely mediocre at best.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Dec 6, 2010 4:45 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Last year was like [tied for] the best season ever for the Cardinals, all time!
Make no mistake, it was awesome.
Stumper and the Juice! Best Cards backfield evar.
by OntarioCardsFan1977 on Dec 6, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
It was awesome.
But how much of that was Hall of Fame Kurt who ad libbed a lot vs Whiz who’s plays were constantly changed.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Dec 6, 2010 12:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
there is no way we can give up on whiz...
He made bad moves this year about leinart(which is who’s to say that mgmt forced him to keep leinart bcuz of all the money the invested on him) and warner wanted a 2 yr contract but only fulfilled 1 yr, also giving a big contract to Porter who seems to have Velcro on his jersey but not to bulger or boldin. Dansby and Rolle left for outrageous contracts(which btw the cards matched NYG offer but Rolle wanted to be in NY.) Don’t understand Boldin deal(wasn’t too much money, why trade.) But this is te effect of losing ALOT of players, a new Oline and having no pass rush.
Now for the Ast coaches, billy davis has too go, its clancy jr basically, he’s usin lots of zone when the team is obviously built for man, then uses prevent D, when in the lead, WTF?? I think whiz is a great OC, i honestly believe he’s not usin the full book the QBs can’t execute, hence all the dumb string of plays. Also i believe there r too many off coaches, run game coordinator, pass game coordinator and a head coach who calls plays, confusing. Sorry for venting but this is what i believe, with a QB in next years draft(hopefully Luck) and a LT(kick levi brown inside to guard) i honestly thing this team can turn it around easily. Thoughts? Anythin im wrong or right about?
by Ogre7 on Dec 6, 2010 1:33 AM MST via mobile reply actions
thoughts
St. Louis held on to Bulger until long after the Cardinals picked up Anderson. They weren’t going to let the Cards get him. As for Boldin I don’t think they could have given him a contract he would have accepted as a free agent. It was trade him or lose him after this season. They burnt their bridges with him over time. I’m not one to lay all the blame for that on the organization but they have not been the most savvy businessmen through the years when it comes to contracts. That has been and continues to be an issue that hopefully will change under the younger Bidwell.
"I honestly believe there are just too many issues for Whiz to fix in one offseason to turn this ship around."
Will changing the entire coaching staff solve this?
We are red, we are white, we are Danish Dynamite!
Epic Fail?
Epic Rail is our season thus far. Blame who you want but we just suck. Period. I think I have a right to be silly and emotional.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Dec 6, 2010 2:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
hes a great talent, but has very little experience dropping back, has a great accuracy rating bcuz defences were putting alot of ppl in the box to stop him from running.(not gunna happen in the nfl)
by Ogre7 on Dec 6, 2010 9:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
have you watched him play?
When he is asked to throw, he makes reads and throws a nice ball. He has a strong arm and throws an accurate, catchable ball. I look at him as a Josh Freeman or Big Ben type. he has the mobility to escape some sacks, and the arm strength and accruacy to be successful. he will need to continue to learn to read defenses, but he’s easily the best QB in the draft behind Luck.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Josh Freeman threw about 150 more times in his final college than Newton
And about 900 for his career. Much more polished passer.
Not saying Newton’s going to suck or anything. Just think he’s a bit raw from a passing perspective.
RIP Seasons of Discontent
I look at him as a Vince Young type
Athletic and dazzling, yes. Efficient and a team leader, no
Every analyst says he is a project player. We need a guy that can get it done NOW
by cardinalbrown on Dec 6, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
NO!
No Cam Newton. He plays in a dumb offensive set at Auburn and his talent is not going to transfer to the NFL. You don’t think teams would be prepared to stop him from running? Kellen Moore and Cam Newton are two of the highest NCAA stats QBs but should not be picked up with a top pick in the draft. There would be better picks to take and that is even if the Cardinals take a QB. Another rookie QB could be a boom or leave the team in another difficult spot.
You've never watched Boise State play have you?
I watch every game of theirs, and Kellen Moore plays in a pro style offense. He is a pure pocket passer, with an accurate arm, a strong enough arm to make the throws he needs to and the field awareness to make the right reads. He excels on play action fakes, and throws one of the prettiest balls anywhere in college football. If he was 3 inches taller, he’d be the top QB prospect in college football.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Just watch that bomb to Titus Young before the kicker missed a chip shot in the Nevada game.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Whiz
has done a lot more right than wrong since becoming coach.
so…
NO
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
CH-CH-CH-CH-Changes!
Just look back to the previous years and see what is different? This comes down to coordinators, in my opinion. I don’t want a head coach who is great at playing calling because that is not his job, e.g. Brad Childress.
An HC is someone who can make the right hires and when he does make a mistake, will admit them and make the necessary changes. Whiz has shown those qualities before. I believe that Bill Davis will be fired from DC duties (hopefully back to linebacker coach because he is good in that respect). Also, we need an OC, we had our best year with Todd Haley, who is now coach of the resurgent Chiefs, showing Whiz can pick good coordinators.
We have the defensive players we just need someone to harness their skill and we need to make moves that will improve the offense, like get a veteran QB, perhaps draft another young QB, hire an OC, and maybe draft a lineman or two.
Until multiple losing seasons occur the idea of firing Whiz should be preposterous.
Ive been ripping Whisenhunt for the last 7 weeks for his flat out arrogance
That being said, he is a good HEAD COACH. He needs to find Coordinators on both sides of the ball so he can focus on being the Head Coach alone. An average of 8 YPC yesterday and they only run 18 times? Unacceptable. This offense has been stagnant ever since Haley left. We saw a Flea Flicker in the Wild Card game against the Falcons 2 years ago and then the toss to Arrington who threw back to Warner who threw a TD to Fitz in the NFC Championship game. Nothing even close to being that creative since then. Skelton is the first QB this year who showed actual pocket presence. Hall is not a NFL QB, and its obvious Anderson is not one either. Give Skelton the rest of the year (against the easiest schedule in football)
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 6, 2010 9:44 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly what I was going to post
I think what we truly found out this year about Whiz is that he is not a good Offensive Coordinator. With his time with the Steelers, all he had to do was call run plays with the tandem of Bettis and Parker (and an awesome O-line) and occasionally call play action with Roethilsberger. With the majority of his time with us (and all of his successful time in 2009) we had Warner at the helm who called audibles very often. Even when we had our Super Bowl run and this offense looked unstoppable it was under the direction of Haley.
Hire a new Offensive Coordinator and admit it’s best left out of your hands Whiz, hire a new Defensive Coordinator who for the love of Zeus can hopefully bring some stability to this defense.
The only fault I can see with Whiz is his stubbornness. Regarding Leinart, the current QB situation, the play calling, any other issues, this man does not admit fault. He dances around the tough questions with broad answers that could apply to anything from religion to politics to alibis. Whiz needs to man up, admit he made mistakes (no more of this ‘hindsight is 20/20 bullshit we’re familiar with the expression Whiz) and move forward. Personally, this is the most frustrating characteristic about Whiz, when people have so much invested in this team we deserve a straight answer, whether its good or bad, right or wrong, no more sugar coating.
GO CARDINALS AND GO SKELTON!
by cardsfanforlife24 on Dec 6, 2010 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsxjdoam7c
I wanna see this guy already!
Just because he can throw balls through a glowing ring doesn't mean he will be a good Quarterback
You have to see what he does on the field first.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Whiz is what he is
I no longer think he’s one of the best coaches in the league and I wonder if he’ll be the kind of coach who always wears out his welcome after a couple of seasons b/c guys start to get tired of his message, but with that being said he’s still the best guy for this job and he’s earned to right to at try to pull this thing out of the toilet.
by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 6, 2010 9:51 AM MST reply actions
I cant believe Im defending him so much
but think about it. His 4th season with the Arizona Cardinals and its his 1st losing season. Thats unheard of. Look at us Cardinal fans, we have gotten to the point where losing is unacceptable. For those of you who have been here since the beginning, thats a great accomplishment in itself. Now I think a lot had to do with Kurt Warner, but Whisenhunt has earned 1 bad year. It is clearly his ego that has hurt this team (Leinart, I believe Boldin now, and did anyone else watch him tear up Pittburghs D last nite?) and I just hope he finally realized yesterday that everything he touches doesnt turn into gold. Lets give him next year to right the ship, and if he pulls the dumb shit again, then fire him. The rams are the only team that we need to worry about next year
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 6, 2010 10:01 AM MST reply actions
Ravens game
Boldin did tear it up. McFadden got shredded. It was nice to hear Collinsworth bash him all night. A little confirmation on one correct move during the off season.
Not after one losing seaon, but changes need to be made.
Focusing just on coaching, Whiz can’t call the offense anymore. He needs an offensive coordinator. If I could make that a period bigger I would. But if he does that and next year is the same, I’m all for putting him on the hot seat.
But I am losing faith in Grimm. I’m not saying they are an extremely talented group, but a line that has played together this long should not be making the mistakes they are making every game.
Same with the defense. The mistakes are consistent and costly and this is a talented group. They are inconsistent and have a habit of underperforming and underwhelming, though they played pretty well yesterday. Bill Davis isn’t the answer, unless the question is. ‘how do you turn a defense of talented players into a mediocre, inconsistent team?’
+1
Agree with all your points. We NEED an OC. There is simply too much going on during the game for the HC to call plays too. Got to trust your coordinators.
I thought it was time for Pendergast to go over the last offseason. Thought it was Davis’s time to step up but it just didn’t work out. Too bad we can’t demote him back to LB coach rather than canning him. Wouldn’t it have been nice to get top tier coordinators like Weiss/Cronnel. Look what the Browns are doing with Delhomme/McCoy. Outside of Shaun Ellis, can you name anyone on their D?
by cardinalbrown on Dec 6, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
Wade Phillips
is probably going to be the most high profile guy available for the job. He may not have been a great head coach but has a lot going for him as a defensive coordinator. Whoever it is we need a change. Davis sucked at San Francisco and he sucks here.
s.brown, haden, adams, ward, fujita, rogers etc. but i take it that wasn't your point.
Davis needs to go period. I personally think the guys that make up our O-line aren’t a group that have it in them to dominate no matter the coach. So I say keep Grimm and retool the line. I am okay either way as far as play calling is concerned – bring an OC in or leave it to Whiz. Whiz is handcuffed by lack of personnel (yes in large part his own damn fault) especially at the quarterback position thus limiting options if we are to make 1st downs. Not saying that all of the predictability falls on personnel but mostly I do believe it does.
I can see keeping Grimm (or at least giving him another shot), but...
… enough of Whiz’s plays have been questionable, that under no circumstances do I want him keeping OC duties next year. How is it that the Cardinals is one of the pass-happiest teams in the NFL with Derek Anderson and two rookies (one undrafted) in the QB slot? Admittedly, the line has not always helped the run game, but he’s still calling the plays like Warner was the QB. Even with the team we have, I believe we’d have 3 more wins if an OC was calling the plays. Or if we had a good DC. At least.
That is why I said Whiz has brought it upon himself personnel wise because of that he has painted himself into a corner. Hence the "questionable play calling" on his part.
Whiz botched the qb situation to a level almost unprecedented this year and thus fucked him when he realized what he had to work with play by play. If they – the D – load the box then the run is ineffectual and if they blitz like madmen then the line which is oriented to run blocking is ineffectual. So the passing game is junk and the running game is junk unless we get lucky…. yes lucky … to get a run/pass play to work so as to allow for variation in play calls. Whiz has done the best he can with the shit personnel he … yes he … allowed to be on the final 53 and that is why he has been handcuffed in his play calling and critiqued to no end by us the fans.
well done sir
To add salt to my wound, it was Shaun Rogers, not Shaun Ellis (NYJ) I was thinking of. Either you are a closet Browns fan or took some good notes on their off-season moves and draft
by cardinalbrown on Dec 6, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Give Whiz a chance to ride out the storm w/o Kurt
We are talking about the most successful coach in AZ Cardinal history. Before DRC, our last draft pick outside the top 10 was LJ Shelton in ’99 (excluding Johnson/Pace bc we swapped picks).
Fact is we have holes all over our team. Porter/Haggans/Robinson/Faneca are all guys that will be done in the next season or two. We are in rebuild mode but I hope Whiz gets us back to the promised land soon. It’s only taken a .500 record to win this division the last few years, so let’s hope it stays that way and with a suitable QB we can start ’11 out strong.
Faneca and Robinson
are both on one year contracts. Thankfully Dan Williams looks like he can live up to his draft spot. I still think picking up Haloti Ngata as a free agent would be incredibly sweet but I have a hard time seeing the Ravens let him go. Rex Hadnot will probably be starting at guard next year. As for Porter and Haggans, and I’d throw in Hayes and Lenon, they all need some younger, faster talent pushing them for play time (in addition to Washington and Schofield).
Agreed
I had Hayes and Lenon in there but removed there names because they still have a little left in the tank. Really concerned with Hayes back issues. I’d like to see the Cards switch back to a 4-3. CC/DD/Williams/Branch with Watson subbing in the middle with Davis/Washington/Schofield as LBs. Add some more depth and that could be our front 7 for a decade
by cardinalbrown on Dec 6, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
Linebackers
We need another run stuffer in the middle. Hayes’ health is a concern as well as his age. If they switch to a 4-3 I’m not sure Washington fits in the middle well. He’s on the small side for a run jammer. I’d like to see how well he comes along in pass coverage though. Looks like he could / should be our best linebacker in pass coverage. We’ve seen already what he can do chasing down a QB. His sack on Hasselbeck is a season highlight for me.
branch is not a 4-3 DE
and there is no way the cards are switching up their scheme. They dont even play a true 3-4 all the time anyway
I think he would be more of a 4-3 DT.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Whis isn't going anywhere. He and Graves were just extended.
Calling for his head is a pointless fantasy. I agree with everyone who has stated that we need new coordinators on both sides of the ball. I’m also unimpressed with what Grimm has achieved with the offensive line. Since so many have already made the same arguements I’ll leave it at that.
Random Thoughts.
BeanTower were averaging 7 yards a carry yet all we ever end up talking about is how crap our QB’s are.
Did anyone see DRC run and hide on Jackson’s TD run – spineless.
Skelton looked like he can make a throw – more than can be said for DA, please cut that loser!
Hall aint Drew Brees and I doubt he ever will be.
Matt Leinart must have been SERIOUSLY BAD to get cut when we now know what his competition was!!!
If we don’t get the first pick in the draft it will all be Janikowski’s fault!
by CardsIrish on Dec 6, 2010 12:49 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
So, our QB, OL, and LB's suck
Cant blame the coach, and Leinart is not even the backup in Houston, which says something. I think if this team had a QB, we would be a decent team.
wells, hightower and LSH have all shown they havent benn great, but wiht our OL, I dont thik anyone could be great at the RB spot.
The plan should be draft a QB, some linemen, and sign a FA LB.
Wells, Hightower and LSH
have all been pretty damn good barring the fumbles. The offensive line has been underwhelming. In the games with Max Hall starting, defenses just defended the run and blitzed on passing downs. Hard to run when the defense gives your QB no credit. Not that Hall proved he deserved any. It doesn’t help these guys that Whiz bails on the run game or that the QBs suck. Anyway, my point is simply that the backs have been fine aside from being too loose with the ball at times.
LSH avg 5.2, Hightower avg 4.7, Wells avg 3.6 (ok Beanie’s only been average but has also been struggling with an injury most of the season).
you are calling for the firing of Whiz?
after one bad season? The cards have a terrible o-line, a horrible QB, and the worst secondary and LBs in the league. A-dub is old and washed up, kerry rhodes is a playmaker, but he is a hit or miss type of player, like rolle. DRC has taken a step backwards. Toler has been below average, and our nickel corner is 5’8!!!! With all of these problems, you are blaming the coach???? The coach who lead the CARDINALS to the Super Bowl? This is the CARDINALS we are talking about here!!!! We have been spoiled with great football for 2 years, and it has gone to the fans’ heads. This is the only coach in the last 30 years that has had success as a coach of the cardinals! Get off your high horse and remember where you were 5 years ago, you were the fan of a hopeless team that went 4-12 every year…..If u want to go back to those days, then FIRE WHIZ! If u want to have semi-stability in the franchise, stick with Whiz for a little while longer. Let him try to fix this.
nickel corner
Mike Adams is the best and most consistant tackler in our secondary. He may not be the best in coverage, mostly due to his size, but he’s always blowing out somebody’s legs it seems. My estimation of the guy has gone up considerably this season. Sadly I’d say he’s one of the brightest spots on the defense.
I don't agree on the worst secondary part but in part on the lb's. We can't get consistent pressure thus our secondary looks worse than it truly is. I will give you that DRC has looked like a distracted child this season.
Rhodes has been the MOST CONSISTENT DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF ‘10 FOR THE CARDS and that I would welcome debate. Our OLB’s are the source of the problem as to LB’s as they don’t do much of anything. Hayes I believe should get a pass as he is just back from injury, Lenon has played solid as has D.Wash this year. Also I hate … hate … to say this.. but I do believe we need a young guy to come in to be ready by ’12 to take A-Dubs spot. I have nothing but respect for A-Dub but it seems all but obvious he is winding down – very unfortunate.
Whiz may have brought the new and improved Attitude to the team
but Kurt brought the offense. Whiz also brought in all of these chumps we keep baggin’ on. What say ye now fair maiden?
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
Everyone wants to know why I have suddenly called for Whiz' head. Well hear it is.
He is too conceded for his own good. How long did it take him to fire Clancy Pendergast? He was garbage from Day 1. Why don’t we have an OC? Who’s fault is our QB conundrem? Whiz is not big on firing staff. Clancy had worn out his welcome before Whiz got here. Even when the evidence was there he ignored it and kept him. Finally after the SB meltdown (it took being embarassed in front of 183 million people) to see the light. I honestly don’t see him getting rid of Billy Davis this year either unless he is put on the hot seat. On an OC, he is not willing to give up the reigns to someone qualified enough to call plays. I have said since last season that the only reason that he split those duties was to get Grimm some coordinator experience so that he would be more appealing as an HC candidate. I have no doubt our passing game coordinator would have done at least a decent job with sole responsibility as the OC. If Grimm does leave for a HC job this season, I see those duties going back to normal, although now Josh McDanials would be extremely appealing at the least. And as for the QB. Did everyone not look at it from a business standpoint? There was no way the Bidwells were gonna keep Matt with the money he was do to make. Whiz had no choice but to let him go. I just blame him for not have a better contingency plan. There is no way this wasn’t discussed in advance that the FO wanted to save money and get rid of Matt. Kurt was still up in the air at the time so a back up plan would have been nice. Fault Whiz. Will he do anything to fix this. Not until he is ready, or the FO forces his hand. Either way, he is too slow with these decisions. That’s why I want him gone. You can’t deny what he has done well for us, but now what is he doing?
Its like having a girlfriend. All the things you had to do to get her, you have to do that and more to keep her. If not, it won’t work out.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
Leinart wasnt due a big chunk of money until next season
So why not start him this year to see what hes got and if he did good, you restructure his contract. Its not that complicated. Whiz got rid of him because he didnt like him as a Man. It didnt matter to him whether Leinart gave him the best chance to win, and thats the problem. His Arrogance has shown through this year very badly in his STUPID playcalling, personell decisions, QB carousel. If he doesnt hire new Coordinators on both sides of the ball this offseason I will not tune into another Cardinal game until we have a new Head Coach
F Dallas
by Redbird Nation #1 on Dec 7, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah but with all the he was due next year, they needed to start replacing him this year.
Just didn’t do a good job.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Dec 7, 2010 2:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
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