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Arizona Cardinals Question Of The Day: What Would The Cardinals Record Be With Kurt Warner?

GLENDALE AZ - DECEMBER 05:  Former NFL quarterback Kurt Warner stands on the field before the NFL game between the St. Louis Rams and the Arizona Cardinals at the University of Phoenix Stadium on December 5 2010 in Glendale Arizona.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

After the struggles by the Cardinals Offense this season, which have mainly been because of the poor play by Derek Anderson and Max Hall, a lot of us have been wondering what the Cardinals record would be with at least an average Quarterback. Some people have even said that Matt Leinart would have done better than this. But what I have to ask right now is how would the Cardinals be with Kurt Warner and his magic gloves staying for the final year of his contract instead of retiring.

One thing I saw on the NFL.com highlight video for last Sundays game against the Rams was one of the commentators saying that the Cardinals don't need to tear up the entire roster and rebuild, they just need a good/decent Quarterback. Looking at how they have played this year, I agree with that. Anderson and Hall have missed too many open throws that could have resulted in big plays (throws that Warner would make 85/90% of the time), and they have turned the ball over too much. Defenses that also feared blitzing when Warner was at the helm are now loading up to stop the run (a big factor in the poor numbers for Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower for most of the year) and daring whoever the Quarterback is to beat them through the air, something they have been unable to do. It has truly shown us how lucky we were to watch Kurt Warner play at an all-pro level during the last couple years of his career, and there should be no doubt that he will be a hall of Famer when he is illegible in 2015 because of how much the team has fallen off without him. It is like watching the Suns without Steve Nash.

Before the Rams game, I asked Mike Sando who does the NFC West blog (excellent blog by the way) on ESPN.com what he thought their record would be with Kurt Warner, and he said that the Cardinals would be 6-5 with wins over the Seahawks (did not say which time, but I'd guess it is the first one in Seattle), Vikings, and Buccaneers, and I would assume that with Warner they beat the Rams again in the last game after the good play by the Defense and that would move their record to 1st place in the NFC West with a 7-5 record. I feel about the same on that, they would still lose to the Falcons and Chargers because the Defense just did not show up at all there, the Seahawks didn't really pull away in the second game until the second half but that one could go either way, same with the losses to the Chiefs and the 49ers.

One question there would be if Warner was back is how effective would he be? I think that he can still play, but he isn't as effective with the deep passes as he once was, and I think the best option would be to go to a more balanced attack and tell Warner not to audible to pass plays as much. Then, lets say that over a 16 game season if Warner plays the entire year and he isn't forced to throw as much he could end the year with similar stats to what he had over last season (lets just say... 3,500/3,800 yards, 25 Touchdowns and 12 Interceptions) and just his being there opens up more running lanes for Beanie and Hightower the offense as a whole would be vastly improved, and Coach Whisenhunt could even get the "Pittsburgh West" thing he wanted when he came here.

Then again, with the struggles of the Offensive Line Warner might not make it through the entire year. He could make the line as a whole better with his quick release like he did during the last couple of years, or he could get killed like DA has been for most of the year. He might also become more turnover prone like Brett Favre has been throughout this season (he threw for over 4,000 yards with 34 Touchdowns with only 7 Interceptions, this year he has only 10 Touchdowns with 18 Interceptions) and the Cardinals could struggle ending his career in a bad way compared to going out after his amazing five Touchdown game against the Packers in the Playoffs last season. He might also be unable to overcome the poor play of the Defense which at times seems like it is unable to stop anything.

So, I ask you, what would the Cardinals record at this point be if Kurt Warner was still under center? Everything else on the team is the same, the only change is Kurt Warner staying for one final year. I'm leaning towards 7 wins.

Poll
Through the first 12 games (The first 12, NOT ALL 16, just so this is clear), how many wins would the Cardinals have with Kurt Warner as the Quarterback.
1 through 4: Still bad
6 votes
5 or 6: Middle of the pack
68 votes
7 or 8: Good
347 votes
9 or 10: Great/Elite
198 votes
11 or 12: Best team in the NFL
29 votes

648 votes | Poll has closed

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Surprised that many people picked 9-10 so far.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 8, 2010 12:46 PM MST reply actions  

That reminded me that I forgot to mention the Defense at the end of the article

I’ll add that later.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 8, 2010 2:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The offensive line was bad when Warner was here.

It just wasn’t quite as noticeable because Warner was very, very good.

Warner took hits almost every other play. He just didn’t take so many sacks.

by Vaegrin on Dec 9, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the mentality of the entire team would be completely different

Going into the season, we would KNOW that we’re serious playoff contenders. That confidence and stability that Warner would have brought would have given the team a whole other level of confidence, true confidence, not the bullshit that they feed the press because they’re obligated to.
Yes his physical tools and football intelligence would most certainly be welcome, but I think the biggest impact Warner would have had on this team would have been confidence, pride, and heart and soul. As Steamin’ Beamin pointed out in one of his fanposts, that is what this team is truly missing.
GO CARDINALS!!!

by cardsfanforlife24 on Dec 8, 2010 3:24 PM MST reply actions  

I was thinking 9 wins for the entire season

If KW was playing. With his ability to move the offense, our defense wouldn’t have been completely worn out every game and we could probably have mustered a 9-7 record.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Dec 8, 2010 4:00 PM MST reply actions  

The poll is for the first 12 weeks though.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 8, 2010 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I figured that out

When you questioned why so many people picked 9-10 wins. Too late to change my vote though. If I re-did my vote based on first 12 weeks only, I would say 7 wins.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Dec 8, 2010 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was surprised by that since I though I worded it in a way that clearly said I was just talking about the first 12 games.

Thats why I added the other thing just so I could make sure everyone knew that. Its understandable if people don’t notice that though.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 8, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey we're Cardinals fans

How smart can we be? I mean we have all followed one of the worst teams in the history of the NFL for a long time right?

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Dec 9, 2010 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

They'd have won 2 or 3 more games

Don’t discount the loss of Q on offense and Dansby on Defense … they were individually as big of a loss, and together they are bigger than the loss a Warner

by quid pro quo on Dec 8, 2010 5:23 PM MST reply actions  

together they are bigger than the loss a Warner

that may be the most idiotic thing i have read this century

by scsa69 on Dec 10, 2010 10:13 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Q was the glue on O

his physical play was contagious, this team is trying to create the same fire but its just not there, our only consistent play maker is Larry … and the loss of Dansby on Defense is painfully obvious (well, that and poor tackling all around), but lets face it. Teams run at will on us, which makes it very hard to defend the pass … So, you can’t tell me that having both those guys back wouldn’t make us a better team than if just Kurt came back … homers and Warner fans often forget how often he struggled and got beat up … He was a true warrior, and when he was on he was amazing, but more often than not he was fumble prone and disrupted the offense by audibling away from the run and throwing interceptions … his last two years he struggled mightily to stay healthy … I’ve got respect for Warner, he knew when to quit, and he probably played longer than his body should have … Q and Dansby are in their prime

… but you’re entitled to your opinion, I can tell from your large vocabulary that its obviously well thought out

by quid pro quo on Dec 11, 2010 9:22 PM MST up reply actions  

THE RECORD WOULD BE BETTER - PERIOD.

Further proof Kurt belongs in the HOF – not only what he accomplished on the field, but what happened to the Rams and Cards after he left.

by D4 on Dec 8, 2010 5:24 PM MST reply actions  

he belongs in the HOF based on his superbowl performances alone

… and he should get a special award for knowing when to quit

however, he does have giant teeth and he sucks at dancing

by quid pro quo on Dec 8, 2010 5:46 PM MST up reply actions  

With Warner I'd say 8 wins at this point, possibly 9.

And we’d be well on our way to a third consecutive division title. Yeah yeah, the O-line still sucks and the defense still wildly inconsistent and Warner couldn’t change all of that. But instead of having the worst starting QB in the division we’d have the best, and that is a world of difference. Here’s how I break it down:

Week 1 @ STL: Win. We won even with Anderson, ‘nuff said.
Week 2 @ ATL: Loss. Atlanta is an elite team and we were outplayed, so we lose even with Warner.
Week 3 vs OAK: Win. Wouldn’t need Janikowski to miss a chip-shot field goal at the end to take this.
Week 4 @ SD: Loss. Like in the Atlanta game we were totally outplayed here, so this is still a loss.
Week 5 vs NO: Win. We won the revenge game with Hall at QB so we’d win with Warner, though the Saints would have taken us much more seriously. Also fortunate that we played this game when the Saints were struggling.
Week 6 @ SEA: Win. We were in this game despite Hall’s absolutely horrific start, so I say we win with Warner.
Week 7 vs TB: Win. Should have won this game as it was.
Week 8 @ MIN: Win. See week 7. No last-minute Favre heroics if we had Warner to move the chains in the 4th.
Week 9 vs SEA: Win. The Minnesota loss broke the back of this team and the Cards didn’t even show up to this game. Totally different story at 6-2 with Warner.
Week 10 vs SF: Loss, though this one is the hardest to call. As much as I despise the Niners and as bad as they’ve been this season, I could see them pulling the upset here just because we seem to bring out the best in them.
Week 11 vs STL: Win. Warner keeps his winning streak going against his former team.

So I could be wrong, but I say we’re sitting pretty at 8-3 with Warner at the helm. The surprising Rams would be in second at 5-7, and Seattle and SF would be tied for last place at 4-8.

Ah, what might have been. :(

by Zapf on Dec 8, 2010 5:46 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

8-3 with Warner at the helm. The surprising Rams would be in second at 5-7, and Seattle and SF would be tied for last place at 4-8.

Now that’s the season I was expecting to see.

Section 103, Row 19

by CardsFan08 on Dec 8, 2010 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Forgot the KC game.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 8, 2010 7:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

You're right, I don't know how I did that.

Must have blocked it out. :P

Week 10 @ KC: Loss. Though I think it would’ve been a barn-burner that could go either way. Warner going up against his former OC would have been awesome instead of the stinker that we got.

Both the KC and SF games are very winnable with Warner. Even assuming both are losses, that still puts us at 8-4 and in total control of the division.

by Zapf on Dec 8, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Completely agree except for the MNF game

We could’ve beaten the 49ers easily with Kurt Warner as QB. Remember, despite our terrible QB play, the Defense held the Rams only to field goals for much of the game. The only TD the Rams scored was by Steven Jackson, and that was only once. Kurt Warner’s ability to score multiple TD’s would’ve had us blow out the 49ers.

For those of you who want to respond that the Defense couldn’t have held on to that lead, remember, with Kurt Warner as QB, the Offense almost always scored, on every single drive. That means less time on the field for the Defense, resulting in more rest for them. If they can keep the Rams to mostly FG’s in the worn out state they’re in, imagine how they’d play if they were fresh and energetic from sitting on the sidelines a lot.

by Skii on Dec 8, 2010 7:30 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

but I think SF would’ve been a win.
KC could go either way….so its still 8-4

it sucks that we’re doing all this retospective analysis…that’s what you do when your team sucks!! Thanks Whiz!

by Cardzfan on Dec 10, 2010 7:13 AM MST up reply actions  

The defense is out of sorts, the O Line has issues and the RB’s fumble a lot. Kurt Warner would bring a certain confidence, and a certain pride, I guarantee they wouldn’t have lost 7 in a row with KW at the helm. Kurt is also older and more beat up, He probably would be as effective as he has been in the past. I think they have 3 more wins They probably own the west but would not be considered a serious threat in the playoffs.

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Dec 8, 2010 5:48 PM MST reply actions  

How many victories would the Cardinals have with Matt Leinart at QB?

Or Jake Plummer?
Or Neil Lomax?
Or Jim Hart?

Don't waste time or Time will waste you.

by Hawkwind on Dec 9, 2010 6:24 AM MST reply actions  

I think the real questions are

How many wins would we have had with:

Andrew Luck? I think 4, maybe 5
Cam Newton? I think 4, maybe 5
Jake Locker? I think 2.
And my personal biased favorite, Kellen Moore? All 12.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Dec 9, 2010 7:43 AM MST up reply actions  

John Navarre?
Timm Rosenbach?
Steve Beurlein?

Oh wait, I think I’m doing this wrong.

by KDean75 on Dec 9, 2010 7:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Start Stoney! Start Stoney!

Don't waste time or Time will waste you.

by Hawkwind on Dec 10, 2010 7:08 AM MST up reply actions  

This season is evidence Kurt should be in the HOF....

Anyone who didn’t think he was valuable to this team just needs to look at this year…

by Cardzfan on Dec 10, 2010 7:11 AM MST reply actions  

I've seen people claim that he was only good because of Fitz and Boldin

Look at how the brain trust we have now is doing with Fitz…

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Dec 10, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

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