SB Nation Arizona Editor's Pick
Andrew Luck
by robloosli on Dec 9, 2010 7:54 AM MST
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I know we've been chatting about which NCAA QB we would want the Cardinals to draft next spring for several weeks now. It seems we have some differing opinions, which I think is fantastic. Isn't this site designed to be an outlet for fans to express there opinion with other fans? Sometimes we're civil, sometimes the arguments get fierce, but in the end, we all love the Cardinals, and all generally respect eachother.
Having said that, Has anyone considered the possibility that Andrew Luck--the predominant favorite among Cardinals fans as the franchise savior--stays in school? He's only a redshirt sophomore. Those Stanford guys are SERIOUS about their education. If there was ever a D1 school that really puts academics first it's probably Stanford. Knowing that he is a top pick will probably help his decision, but he wouldn't be the first to stay in school after beign considered a top 5 pick (see Leinart, Matt circa 2004). So if Luck decides to stay in school, are kind of screwed or do we target other positions in the first round and hope we can get a 2nd round steal? Personally, I would love to see someone like Tyrod Taylor come to the Cards in the 2nd round. I've seen him play in person, and he is much better than you'd think.
So here's my question for debate:
Other than Jake Locker (Skii I know you have a mancrush on him, and I'm OK with that-I have the same for Kellen Moore) what round and which QBs do we target if Luck stays in school? What positions and players should we target in the first round if we're not going for Luck?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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This is a great question
As I’ve mentioned, I don’t think any of the QB’s in this draft, besides Luck, are worth drafting in the first round based on where we might be drafting (top 5? top 7?). They all have issues. I also think that if Luck stays, the value of the other QB’s goes up so maybe we can get into a situation of moving down and collecting more picks. I think we’ve all seen that we still have a talent deficit on this team, so reaching for a QB is a terrible idea.
I completely agree that Tyrod Taylor is VERY intriguing to me. Unfortunately, he’s short. Listed as 6’1". I’m going to guess that for now, we target him in the 3rd round.
I also really like Colin Kaepernick. I’m probably way off as I do tend to like smaller school QB’s to groom, but he’s improved every year and is very athletic. If you like Jake Locker, Kaepernick is him with maybe not as strong of an arm but with better touch and pocket skills. I’d look 5th round or the same area as Skelton.
But if Luck doesn’t come out, the QB draft class in the next draft will be really, really good. Luck, Kellen Moore (I believe in him), Foles, maybe Ryan Tannehill, Landry Jones. I’m sure I’m missing others, that’s just off the top of my head. So with that said, should we be looking towards that draft for a QB? I really only think that Luck and Mallett might be franchise QB’s with the rest being projects.
I’m all over the place, so forgive that, but going back to the possibility of trading down. This draft is deep at CB and DT (that I can tell so far). I think we need to take best available where ever we’re drafting. If that means drafting Fairley (4-3 DT) or AJ Green (WR) or one of the CB’s, so be it. I really like Toler (admittedly not a DRC fan), but a guy like Paterson (CB) from LSU is a stud and would be a big upgrade. He’s also an electric return man.
That’s my ramble, probably did a bad job, but I think this is a very interesting post.
I like the idea of drafting a top CB early on
Patterson is an absolute stud and could be a Champ Bailey, Darelle Revis shutdown type. A CB core consisting of him, Toler, DRC, and Adams would be a very talented secondary indeed. Now if only we can upgrade Wilson…As much as I love him and admire him, he isn’t the same player he once was.
I don’t know what quality OTs will be available, but that’s definitely a big need, and defense, defense, defense. Not sure that drafting a WR is a good idea, but I don’t get paid the big bucks to decide that.
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Offensive line
is not good this year. The left tackles are ok, but probably only worth a mid first round pick. Interior lineman aren’t bad this year, but you don’t spend first round picks on them.
My though on WR is that I think Fitz is getting pretty frustrated and might want out. If Alshon Jeffrey (South Carolina) comes out, this is a loaded WR draft. Green, Julio Jones, Jeffrey, and Hankerson at the top. Again, I’m sure there are more, but that’s off the top of my head.
Here’s Rob Rang’s most current mock draft.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-RobRang
Sure you do
Iupati, Bulaga
I think offensive line is going to account for a huge investment of draft stock. The only starter signed next year is Keith.
what does this
mean? “Sure you do”, I don’t get it.
Luck is a smart guy
He will come out and probably be long gone by the time we get to pick unless we move up to take him. The risk of staying in and having a so-so year or getting hurt just cost too much scratch. At Stanford he really does not have a shot at a national championship next year if he stays. His coach is probably gone to the NFL too.
The question is still valid though since luck will be long gone by the time we draft. I think we have to take a qb high, especially after all the qb problems this year. I could see trading down some, but doubt we will get takers for doing so, so I think this front office drafts best available qb first round. Which likely means Locker.
If he is gone as well I go O-line, but I don’t know who.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 9, 2010 9:16 AM MST reply actions
He has already publicly said he will be sticking around for another year
I know a lot of college players have said that and changed their mind, but if I was Luck and I was looking at going to Carolina or Buffalo, I’d probably stay in college too.
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"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Couldn't blame him for that.
Getting a shot to play with a guy like Fitz may sway him. Don’t know that Carolina can pass us in the win column though. Buffalo might.
when was the last time
the Cards traded up for someone? … I have no idea, but I’m willing to guess never :)
by quid pro quo on Dec 15, 2010 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Technically they trade up quite a bit in later rounds lately,
but I assume you mean traded up in the first round where trading up means something and costs something. The cards are different since bidwell, jr has more say, but I agree it is unlikely they trade up. The risks are just too great. If there is a rookie salary cap and if luck comes out and if he does well at the combine, etc. who knows.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 17, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
That Stanford degree gets you some nice stuff.
A giant computer in your head and a spy girlfriend.
Its the life.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
If anyone here doesn't know what I'm talking about
Its a show on NBC called “Chuck”.
Guy with computer in his head, and the spy chick.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I don't think anyone here would complain about being married to her
I wouldn’t.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Yes but
can he play football … (rhetorical)
by quid pro quo on Dec 15, 2010 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
Andrew Luck, yes
The guy with the Computer in his head, at the end of season 2 he got a new one that taught him kung fu, so I assume it could teach him how to play Football too.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I was making a joke about ‘Chuck’ … it wasn’t very funny
by quid pro quo on Dec 17, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
I think
What we draft first round will depend on to main things:
1. How well Skelton plays
2. Who is available.
The ONLY QB I think we should draft first round is Luck. all the other good QB will drop. QB’s in the draft the last couple of years, have dropped like crazy and are going in rounds much later than expected.
Now a big question is how Skelton plays. If Skelton comes out and plays like Big Ben in his rookie year, I do not foresee us drafting a QB with a high first round pick. I think we could got a good prospect 3rd or late 2nd.
Now if Skelton plays like Max Hall, we are taking a QB round 1.
Agreed
on only wanting to draft Luck in the 1st round. I would be willing to draft Newton if it were later in the first round, but even that might be a stretch, and I know not everyone will agree with me on Newton.
Pretty much every other QB coming out I would want to wait until 2nd round or beyond.
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"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Let me throw one more
thing out there.
Hypothetically, if Luck does come out and we’re say the 4th pick with either Buffalo or Cinncy above us. I think both of those teams would take Luck, but Carolina may or may not and Detroit would not with Stafford there.
What would you give up (draft picks) to move up in front of those two teams for Luck? I have read in multiple places that Luck is one of the best QB’s to come out in years. As in on the level of Peyton Manning and such.
Also, in my opinion this is a great post, if anyone wants to recommend it so it doesn’t get move down, that’d be cool.
I wouldn't want to mortgage the rest of the draft to get Luck
I think there are too many needs to do so. Luck looks to be a potential Manning/Brady type, but there is absolutely no guarantee on a college QB, so i would vote against trading draft picks to move up to get him.
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fair enough
kind of goes along with what I said earlier about next year being a really good QB class as well.
The part about no guarantee I completely agree with
I think we trade #1 to Philly for Kolb if they will do it.
by Birdman from Mesa on Dec 9, 2010 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
I would be ok with that
Living in Northeast PA all I hear about is the Eagles, and everyone was excited about Kolb until Vick started playing out of his mind. Keep in mind, the Kolb lead Eagles beat the NFC leading 10-2 Falcons by 2 TDs earlier this year.
Kolb’s stat line from that game: 23/29, 326 yards, 3 TDs, 1 Int.
I know he doesn’t have a whole lot of experience, but he has been solid not spectacular in his limited playing time. IMHO having 4 years playing at NFL speed is HUGE
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
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We have a better chance at getting Luck
than Kolb … and Vick will likely cost 2 first round picks
one thing is for sure … it will be interesting to see if the Cards front office is willing to spend any money at all this off-season … or will they just do what they’ve always done and end up firing Whiz
by quid pro quo on Dec 15, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'd be okay with it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Dec 9, 2010 10:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be okay with it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
by JoeCB1991 on Dec 9, 2010 10:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Cam Newton - not first round though
I honestly think the Cards need the best player available (besides WR and RB) in the first round, or a guaranteed player, rather than trying to over think it. Newton will probably go 2nd round, so I’d go for him. I really don’t think the Cards will land a top-3 QB due to the sheer fact that all of the teams drafting ahead of the Cards need a QB. Wait for the opportunity to present itself rather than reaching early in the draft. I haven’t scoured the draft boards for talent yet (that’s for post-Bowl season), so don’t ask who I’d take instead of a QB. The next 2-3 years will depend heavily on which FA QB the Cards get, not who they draft.
No Luck? Trade down
A top flight CB or DT would be fantastic but our biggest need is youth and athleticism at OLB. Porter and Haggins are very mediocre in the pass rush. If we have a high draft pick and Luck is off the board (or stays in school) we should probably trade down and pick up some later picks. Whiz and Co have had some pretty dang good finds in the lower rounds. I say we trade down and pick up an edge rusher and use those later picks to draft depth and future potential.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 9, 2010 3:02 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
While they did say that this year should be a better draft class than last
I’d have a hard time moving down. Premium 3-4 OLB’s come at a premium cost. Top-flight offensive linemen do, too. Every team in the league is going to go nuts with envy trying to draft the next Darrelle Revis, so the top CB’s will be up there, as well. Think about all the suffering we are going through to earn that top 10 pick, man! Think about who we could grab with it that we won’t be able to later!
Think about
all those high draft picks we’ve had throughout the Cardinals history. Think about how teams like the Patriots build using the draft. By trading down and loading up on second and third round picks. Both strategies have merits.
Trading out of the top 5 is easier said then done
Let’s hope a rookie salary cap gets pu in the new CBA, then early picks will have value and less risk.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 12, 2010 10:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If Luck doesn't come out
I hope we throw every game next year so we can have him for 2012.
Let’s face it, we aren’t a smash mouth team and we never will be. We need a great QB and good WRs to succeed. I’ll stomach some losing (we’re used to it) to get the right guy.
This isn't 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.
Anyone support the idea of trading up with Carolina to get Luck?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team(s), throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
nope
Too much risk in mortgaging the rest of out draft on a rookie qb. There is absolutely no guarantee that any rookie qb pans out. There have been plenty of “can’t miss” qb prospects over the years who missed terribly. Too big of a risk when it comes right down to it. If he falls to us take him. Otherwise move to plan B.
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by robloosli on Dec 9, 2010 7:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Don't know
That’s why I put up this fan post in the first place. QB wise, plan B could be Kolb, or it could be another QB, or it could be a different position, or it could be Skelton, or it could be that I have no clue.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Crazier things have happened
to franchises who are willing to spend and do just about anything to win a Superbowl …. sadly, the Cards are not one of those franchises
I’m telling you … fantasizing is fine … but we’re talking about Rod Graves … in all likelihood we will be lucky to land a guy like Bulger (or similar), and we will never sign a big name … my fear is its more likely we trade a big name (like Larry)
… next year Whiz will have to win with his system … which is why he was brought in, to win regardless of the personal
by quid pro quo on Dec 15, 2010 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think
the price for Kolb could be much higher than the price to move up to secure Luck. And from what I’ve seen, I’d rather have Luck.
again
in the history of the Cards organization have we ever moved up for a draft pick?
by quid pro quo on Dec 15, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
I guess it could happen
I just don’t think it will … instead of loading up for a championship run, my guess is the bidwells spend as little money as possible and attempt to keep fans happy by signing an aging vet … its not as if we’ve had the best luck signing first round picks, let alone getting lucky with a QB pick
by quid pro quo on Dec 18, 2010 4:46 PM MST up reply actions
We may not have to trade up.
With two games left in the season we are closer than ever to winning the Andrew Luck playoffs. If the season ended today we would be in the 4 spot. To reach #1 would take the following:
1) Cardinals lose out. Plausible, even probable.
2) Bengals and Broncos each win one game. Plausible.
3) Panthers win their final two games. Implausible, improbable, a freakish turn of events if this happens. (They finish against Pittsburgh and Atlanta.)
So first is unlikely but #2 is within easy reach.
Plausible ... good word
but doesn’t having access to luck make a trade even more possible? what scares me is if they use it to trade, for say McNabb … with the win now, we need to keep Larry mentality … its the reason why teams like New England, that have the fan support to wait on players, are so good all the f’ing time
allot can (and will) happen before next year … but lets say, for argument sake, that the Cards get the # 2 pick and draft Luck … what are the chances he signs and is in camp day 1? … what a nightmare that would be
by quid pro quo on Dec 23, 2010 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
If we can get to Luck and he still looks as good as he does now, definitely. I would think, after having seen the impact of having the second-worst starter in the league (Clausen, right?), then sitting maybe three draft spots away from a Manning/Brady type, there would be no question. Move up. Three-four spots will not be that much of a leap, even though it’s at the top. It’ll cost, yeah, but it won’t be an all-for-one trade.
Pertaining to the man crush
Football only, off the field no.
But, yes, if Andrew Luck is gone, I still believe in Jake Locker. So, Andrew Luck first, then Jake Locker second. After that, I really do want anything else. Except maybe Ryan Mallett. But that’s it.
By man crush
I meant on the football field.
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haha
Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t offending anyone.
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I'm not judging by any means...
I just don’t see it with Locker. He hasn’t succeeded all that much in college. UW has looked pretty bad in the games I’ve seen, and he didn’t seem to do anything that I thought was spectacular. All I could see was a pretty mobile guy with a good arm. I don’t get why a similar QB that had success in college would be rated lower someone like Cam Newton who has decent size, a good arm, and is very mobile)? Just curious as to what everyone sees that I seem to be missing.
Let's take a look
Buffalo has Ryan Fitzpatrick. If they can hold on to him ( He costs nothing considering his talent) then they won’t need to draft a QB. If Jimmy Clausen finishes the season strong, then Carolina won’t need to either. The 49ers are most probably going to finish with a better schedule than us, which leaves the Bengals as our competition for QB. With Carson Palmer leaving, watch for them to land one of the big three (Luck, Locker, and Mallett).
I actually like Fitzpatrick
but all of the Bills fans I know (more than you’d think) don’t like him. I’d happily take him over a rookie other than Luck. Maybe Fitzpatrick is plan B…
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"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
I've never understood why Bills fans don't like Ryan Fitzpatrick
I mean, he’s probably one of the best players on their team. Yeah, he hasn’t played fantastic, but he hasn’t played bad either, and considering how their team has been playing, that’s pretty good.
I actually think the Bills are on the verge of becoming a great, contending team. They just need to make a few fixes, which includes their 4th Quarter defense, one of the reasons they’ve lost the games they’ve lost.
Giving them Fitz
Fitzpatrick throwing to Fitzgerald? I’m already getting their names mixed up!
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
Not amazing
but 85.4 Rating, 2 to 1 TD to int ratio and 58% completion rate on a terrible Bills team is way better than anything we have currently. With how much of a crap shoot a rookie QB is, he could potentially be a difference maker for a team with the talent at RB and WR that the Cardinals have.
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agreed
Wasn’t arguing that point. I was just pointing out that I would rather Fitzpatrick than any rookie besides Luck.
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and I'd rather have both.
and another veteran going into camp. I don’t particularly care if it’s Fitzpatrick but I would like to see two veterans plus Skelton going into camp. If the right QB is available to us another rookie as well.
So
Sekelton, 2 vets and a rookie? We can agree that we’re not getting Luck. Which rookie QB should we target? That was the reason I started this fan post, I wanted to know who other fans thought we should target if we aren’t getting Luck?
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I've liked Ryan Mallett
but I’m not really into college ball so I’m not the most knowledgeable person on any of these guys. I liked what I saw from Mallett in games from last season. I thought he was a good candidate back then. I think I’ve only seen one game with him this season. I don’t believe he’s going to be worth a top five pick, but if the Cards trade down then I’d take him later in the first maybe. He seems to fit the profile Whisenhunt is looking for in a QB so I think he is also, outside of Luck, the most likely to be chosen. Newton may have too much baggage to risk a high pick on. Locker hasn’t been statistically impressive. That’s all I’ve got to go with on him besides the Washington vs UofA game. I didn’t think he was all that and a bag of chips after watching that one.
Until the season is over I’m not ready to concede we won’t get Luck. It is on the extreme outside that Carolina surpasses us but I’m not ruling it out. Of course Carolina may pass on Luck depending on how they feel about Clausen. The Bengals and Bills are only one game back from us. Detroit has Stafford and are also only one game back. The Broncos are the real wild card at 3-9. They extended Orton and drafted Tebow, but that was McDaniels. They could monkey wrench the whole thing. I could see the Cardinals easily sitting in the top three picks with the plausible chance of no one taking a QB ahead of us, presuming that no one trades up for the spot.
Don't worry, the Broncos and Panthers still have us on their schedule
I mean, the Panthers can even run the ball now. There’s no way they’ll put up less than the 6 points our offense is capable of accumulating.
That was the Anderson offense.
If I’m Skelton I’m thinking I better score some damn touchdowns if I want to keep some hotshot first round pick from stealing my chances. Not that I think he’ll light it up, but ONE touchdown would be better than what we’ve been getting.
One freaking 3rd down conversion would be better than what we've been getting
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by JoeCB1991 on Dec 10, 2010 8:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wait a minute...
The offense can keep playing after a third down?
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
How about Kevin Kolb and Ryan Fitzpatrick?
Expensive, will take a lot, but if we get them, I can honestly say that the Cardinals will have no problem getting season ticket holders.
That would definitely cost a lot
Is it feasible to spend that much/give up that much toget these 2 on the roster? I’m not sure it is.
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I guess
But still, the idea of them as our QB’s, along with John Skelton as the third-stringer makes me really excited for next season. If they want to win the fans back, that’s the way to do it.
Do we really want another QB compition next year?
I’d rather see the Cards enter 2011 with a no question about it Starting QB.
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Trading down is the best idea if Luck isn't available to us.
The other three QB’s I’ve seen listed as potential first rounders are probably not worth taking in the top five or so picks where we will be. (Locker, Mallett, Newton). Trading out of the top five won’t necessarily be easy either. There is no guarantee they will be able to if they want to go that route. I’d be interested in a QB still in the first if we can get further back.
Outside of a QB our top needs are pass rusher (OLB), and offensive line. I’m not averse to taking a first round DB either. I think we should draft another inside linebacker as well but not in the first round. Not sure who is worth taking at any position right now. Just started researching. Jeremy Beal from Oklahoma is projected as an OLB. He may be an interesting possibility.
Who we draft will depend very much on who we have on the roster come draft day.
Do we have a quality veteran QB at that time? Or someone masquerading as one at least? I’ll wager Anderson is long gone. Hall, if not gone will be riding the bubble. What players will we lose to free agency? What players will we gain through free agency? All pertinent questions, the answers to which will affect our draft strategy.
How terrible would that be?
He’s a strong number 2 behind Fitz with a good QB.
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I don't know
If we make good moves in the Off-season, like bringing in some good QB’s (Kevin Kolb/Andrew Luck, whoever), then he’ll want to stay for sure.
Scenarios where we would draft a QB in the 1st Round
1)We have the same QB’s as we have now
2)DA has been cut, Max Hall is riding the bubble, and John Skelton did bad-mediocre-decent-pretty good during the last four games of the season
3)We haven’t made many QB moves during the Off-season
Scenarios where we would not draft a QB in the 1st Round
1)We traded a lot and got Kevin Kolb (Would we even have a 1st Round pick left after that trade?)
2)John Skelton finished the season playing like Tom Brady/Peyton Manning (That’s what Darren Urban told me would take for the Cardinals not to make QB moves in the Off-season)
3)Richard Bartley played fantastic, throwing for several TD’s, hundreds of yards, and much more
4)Andrew Luck stays in school (We still may draft a QB like Jake Locker/Ryan Mallett, and yes, I said Jake Locker, but these are just scenarios)
Take your pick.
Does it matter who we draft, if Wiz won’t let rookies play?
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
He does when he has to
Only scenario I can imagine a top 5 QB not starting for us next year is if we somehow acquire a golden-gloved god, which seems pretty unlikely, given the names mentioned earlier on in the post.
#1 pick if he comes out
Too much to pass up. With the impending labor dispute and the 2012 class possibly fitting into a rookie wage scale, this is the last year for big money draft picks.
I’m a big Kellen Moore fan and hope he slides to the 2nd round for us. I like Bowers or a DB. God I hope we don’t draft an offensive lineman. Don’t let history repeat itself
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