Good For, Bad For...
Well its time for another edition of Good For, Bad For where we will outline some topics and discuss if it is good for or bad for the Cards Organization. First up to bat is...
Rolle needing a new contract. It is no secret that Rolle's contract status will have to be addressed after meeting so many escalators that his 2010 salary would be enormous. After having another full year to grow into the FS position, Rolle has maintained his big play abililty, while taking another step as a real FS. I have no idea where the ground work should start and what the baseline will be for his new contract, but I do believe some of the parameters have changed. If you missed it, Rolle made the Pro Bowl this year. That's got to work in his favor for renogotiating his contract. And let's not forget who his agent is. Non other than the Shark himself, Drew Rosenhaus. On the other hand we did see how important Matt Ware was to the defense after he went down. And Rashad Johnson was a rookie this year and should only get better, hopefully. With March 1st and a $4 mil roster bonus just around the corner will we see a renogotiated contract or will Rolle become a free agent? With his rookie contract needing to be renogiated regardless, is it good for or bad for the Cards that he made it to the Pro Bowl?
DRC to have surgery. That has a terrible ring to it. But it is our reality. He injured a ligament during the Saints playoff game and his time frame for return could go well into training camp. Now this wouldn't be such a big deal if there was better quality depth behind him or at the very least, a better counterpart on the other side. Yes, in my own opinion, Brian McFadden was a waste at RCB. I have to admit. I was one of the biggest supporters of his signing. Now I see him as nothing more than a nickleback. Greg Toler, on the other hand, seemed to come on quite well late in the season and in the playoffs. There is no doubt in my mind that he will get extended playing time in the offseason and next season. But I am curious as to which position. Having played LCB in high school, I know the difficulty having to switch to the opposite side. If DRC is not ready for training camp, Toler could quite possibly see a lot of PT at LCB opposite McFly. But once DRC is healthy enough to go, he would see more time at RCB. Although more PT is a definite plus, would it be good for or bad for Toler to get time at both postions instead of focusing on one?
A third RB coach in three years. How will the guys handle it? Its bad enough that our running game has been the weakest link in our offensive chain for years now, but to change yet again at this venture could prove to be disastrous. Many cons can be seen with this move. The biggest could be the retirement of Kurt Warner. Up until this point we have relied heavily on our passing game. Now with Kurt gone and Matt taking over, many believe we will have to become more of a balanced team to win. Lack of continuity doesn't help on that front. Also the lack of experience by our backs could be aided by having a familiar voice guiding them in the right direction (obviously we have no choice since he left for a better opportunity). On the other hand, the quality of our backs could negate any shortcomings of switching coaches. We did improve greatly last year on the previous with a new coach. No as most of you know, and if you don't you can look at my profile, that I am a HUGE 'caine's fan. But they were not that good on the ground this year. Greg Cooper was the catalyst for most of the amazing runs. Other than him, we were a little pedestrian at the position. And that includes Javarris James (yes the name should ring a bell since he is Edge's little cousin). My main concern is what can the new coach bring to the team? Would this third RB Coach be good for or bad for our young backs?
Last but not least we have our very own Hall of Fame QB Kurt Warner. This will be brief because it could all be a moot point. To be eligible for the hall of fame a player has to be retired for five years. Kurt has started that process by retiring this year. But if he had to compete with the likes of a Brett Favre, would he get in? Brett has not announced his plans as of yet, but if he did retire this year, for real, I think Kurt would have some real competition. Kurt has his own career and accolades to stand on, but Brett is ranked as top three to top five QB of all time by many experts. The most that can get in in a single year is seven. That includes votees from years past who's time may have come. Now I personally see Brett as a first ballot Hall of Famer and could see him getting in over Kurt, but I think Kurt is the better QB. Would Brett's impending retirement be good for or bad for Kurt's chances to make it as a first ballot Hall of Famer.
As always your thoughts are of great value.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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1) Rolle in the Pro bowl is bad for the Bidwell’s wallet. That doesn’t necessarily translate into being bad for the team.
2) Toler getting time at both RCB and LCB can only be good for him and the team. Better to gain that experience during preseason and / or early in the season than be put under the pressure in the playoffs when a small mistake can mean the end of your run.
3) The Cardinals lost both co-ordinators last off season and still won more games. So, there is no reason to lose any confidence at the loss of a position coach. Neither good nor bad, it just is.
4) Favre vs Warner on the HOF ballot = BAD. Favre is a celebrity and celebrity will trump quality. Warner’s unassuming personality will likely stand against him in a head to head match. The quiet middle period of Warner’s career will also have a negative effect. Somehow I don’t think he’ll pout too much if he misses the first ballot. He has more in life than football. I’m not sure Favre can say the same.
Many agreements
1) Agreed. It should only help Rolle grow into the position to see that he has been regarded as a Pro-Bowler by fans, coaches, and peers.
2) I was very happy with Toler’s showing late in the year and I think he’s ready to play of BMac who is the new king of pass interference.
3) I’m not worried, TH and BW will be monsters of the grid iron in no time. This year will be interesting to see how the team transitions. I’m not saying fun, because that is yet to be seen.
4) This is the first time I have said I wish Favre had retired one year before or after Warner. It sucks to think that Warner will have to compete with Favre who is a sure thing and may get bumped at least one year now because Captain Poopy Pants kept wanting to come back for “one more shot”. I know Favre played very well this last year, but now that he’s affecting the HoF status of one of our beloved QBs it ticks me off.
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Come on now
Whether you hate him or love you have to admit that Favre is a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer. He is one of the best to ever play the game. Warner will get in no doubt in my mind, but whether he gets in as a first ballot one or not is the question. I don’t think he will get in as a first ballot one in my opinion. That gap in the middle of his career is huge and will play a role. When he played well Warner was one of the best I have ever seen play. When he was with the Rams from 99 to ’02 he played that position as well as you could have ever played and that offense, in my opinion, was the best I have ever seen. If he stuck around for at least one or two more years with the Cards and played at the level he has played lately I think he would have been a lock to be a first ballot hall of famer.
I’m really curious as to how the Cardinals will look next year. I think Leinart can play and he will do well. They should be one of the favorites to come out of the NFC even without Warner. If you look at the NFC, there is only about four or five teams that could win it. You have the Cowboys, Vikings, Packers, Saints, and Cardinals.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Feb 8, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think I said that Favre isn't going to be a 1st ballot HoF'er
I think I just said that I’d prefer he retired at least a year before or after KW so that Warner would have the chance of getting first ballot honors. I think there is/was a chance depending on the Favre situation, but Favre is one of the greatest ever and will certainly make it in his first.
My point was, if Brett has stayed retired either last year or the year before KW would have had much, much better chances.
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1) Bad. Rolle has mad great strives and he has been playing better but I think the guy is going to demand to much money and I don’t think we should lock up that much cash on a safety when we are already paying AW.
2) Good for Toler getting the experience. Bad for DRC and the pass D, knee injuries these are not as serious as the past as new technologies and better science allows for a better healing process, but many athletes never come back the same. I hope DRC returns to prime form. He might start the season in a slump. He isn’t really going to get much of an off season and I wonder if that will take a toll on him later on in the season.
3) I don’t think losing an RB coach is all that much to worry about. And from what it seems we might have grabbed an upgrade.
4) Not sure it matters. Warner is in the HoF, guaranteed. But as Hadrarius said, don’t think it matters to him that much.
They are who we thought they were!
Oy, I slaughtered the grammer on that. Been abroad to long...
They are who we thought they were!
by Jesse Reynolds on Feb 8, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
My thoughts
I think Rolle is a pretty good free safety and will only get better. The cards need him. My only issue is with the person in the front office who negotiated this contract. They should be fired.
As much as I like Warner when he is inducted to the hall, it will and should be as a Ram. While he had a couple of pretty good season as a cardinal, to me the best quarterback I’ve seen wear a cardinal uniform in 30 plus years as a fan remains Neil Lomax.
Toler, has promise but there is no way he’s ready to become a full time starter in the nfl. He’d get thrown at repeatedly and I’m not sure he’s ready for that kind of pressure. It could ruin his psyche. He still need to develop more. he should be the 3rd corner or nickle back.
The way I see things. the Cardinals need to flat out release mcfadden and bring in one of the many available pure man cover cornerbacks that are or will be available come march 1st when the roster bonuses are due. They really have no choice here. that side of the field was repeatedly exposed throughout the season. the good defenses, can hide a good safety that is average in pass coverage[see wilson] but, it’s impossible when you have a bad side of the field like the cardinals do on the left side with wilson and mcfadden.. The nickle coverage is also very average. the team needs to rid itself of adams and brown.
This is easily the weakest part of the defense. This is a passing league now and this team has no choice but to upgrade the secondary if it intend to compete with the leagues elite teams. If old man bidwell is still calling the shots and clinging to his wallet like he has always done, then i’m afraid that the last couple of years are just a flash in the pan! I’ll never forget or forgive him for what he did to the team in the mid 70’s. When that team was on the verge of being an elite franchise, he didn’t take the steps necessary to build on what coryell had. So for all you big red fans like I am, please don’t get your hopes up high! take it from me! I’ve been a fan since 73
All for replacing McFadden
If the team can nab a quality veteran corner they should. If Toler can beat him out for the starting spot, wonderful. If not then he should be fine as a nickel. I feel better about the depth at safety than at corner. The Cards can afford to lose Rolle a lot more than they can DRC. If his knee doesn’t heal as well or quickly as is expected Toler may be playing opposite that newly aquired CB for a spell. Toler & McFadden is not what I want to see on the field.

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