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Cardinals On The Verge Of Signing QB Charlie Whitehurst

After meeting with the Cardinals and Seahawks this past week, Charlie Whitehurst is weighing his options on where he'll play next season. 

The 4th-year quarterback was offered a 3rd-round tender by the San Diego Chargers as a restricted free agent this offseason, but has ambitions to play elsewhere.

Matt Leinart is the only quarterback signed to the Cardinals' roster and the team has been scrambling to find another, meeting with both Whitehurst and the recently released Derek Anderson last week.

The Cardinals and Seahawks have both made offers to Whitehurst, meaning he has 48 hours to make his decision. At that point the Chargers have seven days to match the offer, or they would receive a 3rd round pick as compensation. The Cardinals possess two third round picks while the Seahawks have none, meaning the Cardinals appear to have the upper hand. Both teams can negotiate different terms of compensation however, as the Cardinals could essentially avoid losing such a high pick in a deep draft.

In the end, the decision remains Whitehurst's to make. He'd immediately move up the depth chart to the number two role on both teams and would also have the opportunity to battle for the starting spot in training camp. Should he choose to stay with San Diego, Whitehurst would remain the 3rd-string quarterback behind Billy Volek and Phillip Rivers. Whitehurst was a third round pick in 2006 and has never thrown a pass in the NFL.

Personally, I'd rather not give up a 3rd round pick for an unproven quarterback. At the very most I'd like to see a 6th from this year and maybe something from 2011 or 2012. Shaun Hill was recently traded to the Lions for a 7th round pick in 2011, and Hill has a lot more experience over Whitehurst. Either way it appears we will be hearing very soon on whether or not Whitehurst will be wearing red and white next season.

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The more I look at this

the more bizarre this seems. The FO must really know something about him that we and indeed the Chargers fans (it seems he’s been a ‘disaster’ in preseason) dont.

by Irishcardinal on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Agree

Either that or they have a deal made up that they’ll offer the chargers instead of a 3rd

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Mar 14, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chargers guys are pointing out that the Seahawks 4th

Is only 13 places lower than our third. They’ll probably just throw in a 7th rounder or something.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80163280/1-58-C-Whitehurst-left-end-for-14-yards-TOUCHDOWN

“you cannot stop him, you can only hope to contain, Charlie Whitehurst”

I think that quote has signature potential if he signs.
chargers fans cant believe their luck it seems

by Irishcardinal on Mar 14, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Charlie "Clipboard" the bolts fans call him

Charger fans were not happy with his preseason performance however I’ve read elsewhere that he did well in preseason. If the Cardinals are interested in him I’d have to think that there is something the professional talent evaluators see that is worthwhile. His highlight reel from college is pretty good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdlemnigJ-s

I don’t know if the Cardinals have any edge over Seattle, not if it’s Whitehurst’s choice where he signs. The talk about something other than a 3rd round pick came up at the very first mention of a potential deal. I’d bet this guy was on the radar for a while and wonder what sort of back room wheeling and dealing may have been going on ahead of time.

by hadrarius on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM MDT reply actions  

I liked him in preseason

and this vid clip is nice, looks a little bit like a Warner that can run, or a Flacco

this could turn out to be another very nice savvy offseason move by the Cardinals…

http://undrafteds.com/

by Undrafteds on Mar 14, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clemson

Tiger fans remember him as a ‘quality player’. I’m not going to say that he is set to be a star at the NFL level (right now), but he certainly has the tools to grow into a very good QB. I watched many of his college games and he has good arm strength and seems to be able to ‘make most of the throws’. I’d say that his decision making would have to be put on alert at times, but that could improve with experience. Ultimately, I’d like to see him sign…3rd rnder may be a bit high, but I wouldn’t say that he’s not worth it. I’d expect that had SD not grabbed Volek (back from TEN) off of the FA market that Whitehurst could certainly have been a legitemate 2nd for them. Simple fact is that if you have a guy who knows your system (Volek) he’s more likely to garner an ‘active’ spot as your 2nd QB than a guy who hasn’t played a down in the league. Whitehurst isn’t 3rd cuz he’s ‘bad’, per se, but more so cuz Rivers and Volek have more experience.

by SCCards on Mar 15, 2010 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

volek has proved himself

Volek came in against the colts in the playoffs a couple years ago and led the chargers to the game winning drive after Rivers got injured. Haven’t really seen what Whitehurst can do. But, I don’t think he did too well in pre-season last year. But, it comes down to, do you trade a pick for a back-up or use a pick to draft a qb?

by irishlad on Mar 16, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would it be too much to give up a 3rd?

If we did give up a 3rd for him, we would in essence, have given up Q, a 5th and a 7th next year for Charlie and Rhodes plus a possible compensatory pick. Not too much to give up especially since we deemed Q expendable.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Mar 14, 2010 5:21 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Too much

If we’re going to spend a 3rd-rounder on a 3rd string QB, why not draft one?

by tw3kr on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point.

In rebuttal are there any 3rd round QBs available that are better than Charlie.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Mar 14, 2010 6:13 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well if Whitehurst works out, FO will look like geniuses for getting him for a 3rd (or whatever)

Considering we have no idea if he’s any good or not, it really depends on what we plan to do with him. Is he to be our 2nd string QB? If we get him there, what do we do for our 3rd-stringer? Bring back BSP or someone even more untested than Whitehurst? Drafting a new guy would seem unlikely, since we already used a draft pick on the position… If Whitehurst is supposed to be our #3, what do we do for the main back-up?

by tw3kr on Mar 15, 2010 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

In other news...

Brady Quinn was dealt for pennies. A 7th and a 2012 conditional pick.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Mar 14, 2010 6:17 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

That's terrible!!

We could have had Quinn for a 7th and a conditional pick!

Wow, I hope Whitehurst is better than Quinn!

Section 102, Row 18

by CardsFan08 on Mar 14, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would

 you really want Leinart and Quinn? That’s like wishing for Akili Smith AND Andre Ware to be your 1 and 2. I don’t see that helping us much…

I should clarify that Lienart would be the Akili(s Heel?) in this combo. He’s not bad, imo, but he needs to get ‘his head on straight’ if he plans to compete in the League.

by SCCards on Mar 15, 2010 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope the FO sees something that I don't

If they get this guy, at least find a way to get him without burning a 3rd round pick that could be used to shore up the defense.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Mar 14, 2010 6:36 PM MDT reply actions  

I

don’t know about a deal for Charlie. I assume he would be the 2nd or 3rd string QB on the Cardinals. It wouldn’t be bad to have a younger backup but I would like to see St. Pierre come back also if they decide to take Whitehurst. That way they could avoid spending a pick in the draft on a developmental QB. The QB class isn’t that strong this year and could be a waste of a pick on someone.

by kj197728 on Mar 14, 2010 7:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Off Topic

According to Darren Urban and another source Larry Foote is all set to sign with the Steelers once again pending a physical. Guess this FO didn’t show him the numbers he wanted to see because I can’t think of any other factors that would lead him away from a team up until a few days ago he was ‘begging’ to sign with.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Mar 14, 2010 9:39 PM MDT reply actions  

What other source?

The article Urban linked to doesn’t claim he’s signing with the Steelers.

by hadrarius on Mar 15, 2010 1:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

It does now

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Mar 15, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not a fan.

Giving up a third round pick for a third-string quarterback who’s never thrown an NFL pass sounds like a terrible, terrible idea. Especially when more experienced quarterbacks like Derek Anderson are available without having to give up a pick, and guys like Brady Quinn and Shaun Hill are being traded for a song.

by Vaegrin on Mar 15, 2010 10:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Charlie Whitehurst

Ok, did as much research as I could on a guy who has never thrown a regular season pass….the news ain’t good! Whitehurst has 4 years of preseasons under his belt and here are the numbers:
104-197 (53%) 1031 yds. TD-5 INT-6 YPA-5.2 6 fumbles(3 lost)
Now I don’t care as much about the low completion % if you are throwing down the field, but when I saw the brutal 5.2 YPA, I looked into the numbers a little further and found out that in his 197 att. he has only 2 pass completions for more than 20 yards(40 and 41 yards both to Craig Davis). You would think some run and catch plays would bring that number up but….
He also seems to take an inordinate amt.of sacks in looking at some of the play-by-play action in his games for a supposedly mobile QB and didn’t make any big plays running out of the pocket.
But the 6 INTs and 6 fumbles in 197 atempts(1/16.4) as compared to TD’s(1/39.4) are frighteningly bad.
But, in 2009, he did, arguably have his best camp with the following numbers:
34-60(56%) 386 yds TD’s-2 INT’s-2 YPA 6.43 Fumbles 3(2 lost)
Still nothing to write home about. So I read the recaps hoping maybe he made plays that might have stood out and the only mention about him was that he was resposible for 3 TO’s on 3 consecutive series vs Seattle.
So, my question is this. How exactly did the FO get interested in him in the first palce?

by toolman234 on Mar 15, 2010 9:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Well the sacks can be attributed to playing with a 3rd-string OL...

Which wouldn’t help anybody’s numbers. But yeah, not exactly inspiring. Still better than DA, but I think I’d still prefer using our 3rd on Kirk Morrison.

While we’re on the subject of QB’s who were absolute garbage last year, Chris Simms was just released…

by tw3kr on Mar 16, 2010 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice research

If you are really feeling up to it, think you could give us a comparison of preseason numbers? Say Warner and Leinart? Or Leinart and Rodgers? Or all three? It would be nice to see a larger sample just to see if it is common for backup QB’s to have mediocre preseason numbers.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jessesb on Mar 16, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good call

Let’s compare apples to apples. Still, these are not numbers to get excited about. Would be nice to find some game film. Who knows, maybe he had some awful club fisted receivers tanking his stats some.

by hadrarius on Mar 16, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Charlei Whitehurst compared to Billy Volek

I figured to get some perspective, I would compare Whitehurst to the player who he would have been challenging for the #2 spot, Billy Volek. I almost wish I hadn’t.
CHARLIE WHITEHURST
104-197 (53%) 1031 YDS. TD’s – 5 INT’s – 6 YPA – 5.2 Fumbles – 6(3 lost)
BILLY VOLEK
 79-121 (65%) 916 YDS. TD’s – 6 INT’s – 0 YPA – 7.6 Fumbles – 2(1 lost)

Now if we were going after Billy Volek, I wouldn’t even mind giving up a #2 for the security.
I’ll follow up with some Leinart and Warner numbers.

by toolman234 on Mar 16, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just looking at my post

It looks a little confusing with the TD’s and INT’s
CW: 5-TD’s 6-INT’s
BV: 6-TD’s 0-INT’s
I’ll try do make it clearer next time

by toolman234 on Mar 16, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Leinart to KW Preseason stats

Ok here is how the 2 QB’s compared, preseason style. I broke this down year by year and totaled it up at the bottom. There is an asterisk for the 2008 season and one game is deleted and will be addressed after the stats.
2006
KW: 33-45(73%) 386 yds. 3 TD’s 1 INT 8.47 YPA Fumbles 0
ML: 29-47(62%) 312 yds. 2 TD’s 0 INT 6.64 YPA Fumbles 1 (0 lost)

2007
KW: 16-20(80%) 245 yds. 1 TD 0 INT 12.25 YPA Fumbles 2(1 lost)
ML: 24-40(60%) 329 yds. 2 TD’s 0 INT 8.23 YPA Fumbles 0

2008*
KW: 12-17(71%) 142 yds. 0 TD 0 INT 8.35 YPA Fumbles 1(0 lost)
ML: 24-34(71%) 330 yds. 2 TD’s 0 INT 9.71 YPA Fumbles 2(1 lost)

2009
KW: 24-46(52%) 320 yds. 0 TD 3 INT 6.96 YPA Fumbles 1(0 lost)
ML: 39-66(59%) 521 yds. 3 TD 2 INT 7.89 YPA Fumbles 0

So here are the totals for the 4 yrs between the 2, less 1 asterisk game in 2008

KW: 85-128(66%) 1088 yds. 4 TD 4 INT 8.50 YPA Fumbles 4(1 lost)
ML: 116-187(62%) 1492 yds. 9 TD 2 INT 7.89 YPA Fumbles 3(1 lost)

So as you can see, at least from ML’s preseason numbers he has had success. But now for the one game I didn’t include, and the reason why.
Going into the 2008 preseason, no one new for sure who the starting QB for AZ would be. KW was benched in 2006 in favor of rookie ML and ML was the starting QB in 2007 up until his injury in game 5 shelved him for the season. Yes, KW did come in in game 3 when ML struggled vs BLT, and got some play in game 4 vs heavily favored Pitt, but in that game, with AZ nursing a 7 point 4th quater lead, it was ML who was the choice and he led AZ on the game deciding TD drive, and procedded to start game 5 where he got injured.
But the norm in the NFL is that you don’t lose your starting job because of injury and ML started the 1st preseason game and played very well. But in game 2, it was KW who got the start beginning the controversy until game 3 vs OAK when ML, admittedly, choked! The numbers were so bad(4-12 24 yds 0 TD 3 INT) it pretty much sealed the fate of who was going to be the starter opening day. But I think it is very important to point out that he returned in the final preseason game and played fantastic(10-14 177 yds. 1 TD 0 INT) as he was in for 3 drives, moving the team every time for drives of 90 yds, 56 yds & 64 yds scoring 2 TD’s.
So I kept the numbers out, because I wanted to put my own positive spin on a ngeative situation, but also because I felt it skewed the numbers so that you couldn’t get a real feel as to how well he has played so far…in the PRESEASON, of course. But here are the numbers with every game included and they still are pretty good.

ML: 120-199(60%) 1504 yds. 9 TD’s 5 INT’s 7.56 YPA 3 Fumbles(1 lost)

My work here is done!

by toolman234 on Mar 16, 2010 9:45 PM MDT reply actions  

This also explains how Leinart was able to keep the QB competition so close

Except for that one game, pretty good!

The thing about having excellent receivers is that the higher your completion percentage, the more chances they have of making a big play themselves. This is one reason I’m down on DA — 40% completion isn’t good for anyone, regardless of whether he’s throwing INT’s or not.

Too bad this is on the second page and only about three people are going to read your hard work =/ Save it and make a fan post or mention it again later, perhaps.

by tw3kr on Mar 17, 2010 2:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, tw3kr

I really appreciate your input. I sure there will be a ML vs DA arguement at some point, so I’ll keep it handy

by toolman234 on Mar 18, 2010 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

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