The Case Against Mount Cody - Final Part
Well, here it is. My final entry. Hope you guys enjoy it.
I'll tell ya...it's late, I'm kinda tired...but I have been itchin' to write this final part and I have to at least get it started and get as much as I can done.
I also want to say thank you to everyone who has participated in the posts. There have been some great points made. I've been a Cardinal fan for as long as I care to remember and livin' in PA doesn't give one much chance to talk AZ football, so all you guys are like a lifeline to me. So, once again, thanks!
When talk first started circulating about drafting Cody in the first round, I thought, "Really?" I'm no Crimson Tide fan but I watched probably 4 of their games that I could remember and I never remember thinking to myself after the game, "Wow, that guy is awesome!" So I decided to start my research and believe me...I would guess I have put in as much time on this guy as most GM's have done in the last month. And my research has provided me with the #4 and final reason not to draft Cody:
Reason #4: IMHO TERRENCE CODY JUST PLAIN OLD STINKS!
Now you'll notice I put IMHO, because that is what it is. I know others have high opinions of him and I don't want to offend anyone. But to tell you the truth, I think I am being kind in my description because now that I am done looking over evreything I can possibly find on him, I will no longer refer to him him as "Mount Cody" but as "Commander Cody and His Lost Planet FatBoys". How this guy ever got so highly rated is so far beyond comprehension I don't even know where to begin. The man is a total Urban Myth. Dominant play does not exist when he is on the field. When he enters the NFL he will officially be the worst NT in the NFL and that includes Ronald Fields.
First I would like to TRY to explain the fascination people have with him .My guess is anyone looking for a NT look at his size and the first thing you do is think run-stuffer. So you go to check the Alabama def vs the run and you see 2.73 YPC! "Bling!(light bulb goes on) and you say there it is, he's the NT, they stuff the run, so he is great! But remember, in college when you sack the QB for a 10 yard loss, that goes down as a loss of 10 yards rushing. Now since Cody never recorded a sack in his career and he is NEVER on the field in passing situations, I found it kinda hard to credit him for these plays. So I decided to go back and redo the numbers with the sacks taken out. AND, I did one more thing. I did not include any games against VASTLY inferior competition such as Chattanooga, FIU, Western KY(2008) because if he had to pad his stats vs these teams how good is he really? Some may think this unfair. Oh well...my post, my rules. So what I used for the Alabama stats for 2009 were all conference games, plus the ACC opener and the NatlChampionship vs Texas(11 games). And the totals are: 278-1191 yds(4.28 YPC) 108.3 YPG. Still some very impressive numbers and I dare say just about the best in the country, but not the misleading 2.73 YPC.
Next, I went over Cody's stats using the same rules as above and this is his 2 year total over 21 games: Solo tackles 12 - asissts 23. So in 21 games he actually made 12 plays all by his lonesome. Doesn't scream domination in my book. And just out of curiousity, because I knew that because of his lack of conditioning and ineffectiveness in certain situations that he was off the field alot, I wanted to check out what his backup, Brandon Deaderick did over the same time period, under the same rules, of course. 22 games: Solo tackles 20 - assists 25. Hmmmm, wait a minute, why did this guy make more plays than the Commander? He is the backup. Something is very wrong here. Tthe only way to get to the bottom of this is to check the tape.
When I first started looking into players, I just went to youtube, typed in their name and many of these players either have their own highlight reel, or more likely a mock draft site had put something together. But the only thing I could find on Cody, clip after clip was the highlights of him blocking the 2 kicks vs Tenn. Oh and one other where he hurdles a fallen Ryan Mallet. I don't know...maybe you guys could get something out of it. So what I had to do was search ALABAMA VS whoever and watch the entire game highlights. Very tedious, yes, but it started to clear some things up. First was that Alabama DOES have a great def. One of the fastest defenses I have ever seen in college. And the key to the defense was pressure. You put your QB in an obvious passing situation vs them and he was dead meat! And they do have GREAT players, especially #57 Dareus, by far the best, but Cody just doesn't happen to be one of them. There is a guy on youtube, his moniker is MrUAfootball who has a ton of game tape on Alabama and you should check him out. The only thing is, he shows NO negative plays from the ALA games, only the positive ones. But there is plenty of negative tape out there too, you just gotta search for it(check out the highlights of the game vs Va.Tech where late in the 4th Q Ryan Williams runs for a 32 yard TD and try to explain WTF Cody is doing on this play? Even the lineman doesn't seem to know what he is doing.
So I'm watching the film and I start realizing as I am watching not just that on most real positive plays that Cody has little or no impact, but that HE ISN'T EVEN ON THE FIELD for alot of the plays! So I start making notes: Ms.St. game 1:06 in, blocked 1 on 1 , no threat; 2:59 in falls down one step into pass rush - Team intercepts; LSU 7yard loss - nowhere near the play; Auburn .25 in, sack - not within 10 yards of play; Ark 3:26 makes tackle with 3 others; 3:30 Thrown on his ass! I'm thinking to myself, "Is this for real? Is this what everyone is so worked up about?" I mean, people, THESE ARE ONLY THE GOOD PLAYS!!!
But I still feel there has got to be more. Boom! A site I had been checking for awhile, prodraftparty.com(go to it, it is great) , has finally put up some highlight reels on SEC players and there is now some tape dedicated just to CODY! Yay! And I open it up and it is a WHOPPING 3 mins. Huh? 23 mins of highlights on SUH. 20 mins for McCoy. 10 mins Brian Price(watch it!); 10 mins Lamar Houston. AluAlu had 5 mins from ONE GAME. And all they could come up with is 3 mins on this guy - 18 plays? In fact, one of the highlights is of the Alabama OFFENSE for Crissakes! I guess they needed some filler to get to 3 mins. I dunno. But at least in the highlights you can see him doing some positive things. I rated the 18 plays: 9 positive - 4 so-so(he didn't do anything to hurt the team) - and 5 plays were actually, well, bad either because he got pushed back off the line or didn't react properly to a play. You compare his reel to the other lineman...it's embarrassing! But it is even worse than that. Look at the highlights closely. What do you see? Almost every play(14 out of 18) has FOUR down lineman in it, not THREE. And EVERY PLAY has at least 4 guys rushing, sometimes more. They couldn't find one single highlight with a real 3 man rush? Not one? Look at the tape of AluAlu, because they run a 3-4 also. Look at the pressure they get rushing 3 men and compare the Cody 'highlights'. Look at the way their three man front plays the run and compare to Cody. What a stinkin' joke!
Still, it just doesn't feel right. A few plays here, a few plays there. I want to see a body of work from a whole game. So I keep on looking and finally my quest has reached the Holy Grail. A full reel of tape from one game. And what's better, it's his game. It is THE GAME that cemented the legend. The game that had people talking heisman consideration(oh yes they did). The Tenn game. The two blocked kicks to keep the the undefeated season alive. THE GAME WHERE THE URBAN LEGEND WAS ELEVATED TO MYTHIC PROPORTIONS. The website is called finalmockdraft.com and if you are reading this you MUST go there and see the tape. Click on video highlights and go to #6 and you will see a full 24 plays of unmitigated domination.......by the Tennessee offensive line, more specifically, the center for Tenn., one Cody Sullens. So I go to my notes and start jotting things down:
Play1) Phantom Double-team as lineman has no one else to block and just gives Cody a little shove
Play2) Blocked 1 on 1 by Sullens and as he tries to make the play is PLANTED right on his face
Play3) 1 on 1 - stoned
Play4) Center runs right past Cody to block LB's, Cody cut to turf by the Guard
Play5) Douleteamed...and driven 2 yards back
Play6) Stoned by 2 SEPARATE 1 on 1 blocks
And it goes on and on. And are the announcers calling him out on his play? Noooooo! Gary Danielson and Verne "Scotch & Soda" Lundquist are singing his praises, comparing him to Gilbert Brown. Why? Because they both like hamburgers? There is one play that the Commander actually gets past a lineman that gets the guys in the booth so giddy they show it twice. The play is designed to go right as evidenced by the LG pulling right and the RB running right. The RG after admittedly moving BACK on Cody's initial pop, releases him and turns to his LEFT, then suddenly realizes his mistake and tries to recover to the right, but it is too late as the flow is already well past him. Over and over I watched it. It was like watching the Zapruder film "back, and to the left...back, and to the left...back, and to the left...." This was a blown assignment and no one is going to convince me otherwise. But even with this, the RB still evades the now unblocked Cody until he is corraled by 3 ALA players and as he is just about to hit the turf, fatboy falls on top of him. This play so excites Danielson he coos "Oooooh, that young man's gonna make alot of money someday." Yeah, if every lineman he ever goes up against blows their assignment, and even then he is gonna need some help.
So 22 plays from scrimmage, this guy does jack, but then there are the blocked kicks. I don't want to get into the whole thing, but he basically does sqwat as on the first kick, Dareus paves the way and it hits Cody in the stomach( even Danielson admits "that is a low kick") and the second kick hits him in the armpit and are more the result of an injured kicker and the Alabama 'max block scheme" than any talent on the part of Cody. Go to the recap of the game at ESPN, where Coach Saban describes it. But if you want to laugh, you must read the quote in the recap by Cody after the game claiming how he himself knocked the lineman to the turf to make the block on the final play. Really Commander? I didn't see any Tenn players on the turf. Just adding to the 'urban' legend.
Now as I was saying Cody Sullens, was just taking him behind the lockers and stealing his lunch money all day, and by this time your probably like me saying, "Screw Cody, let's draft Sullens", but alas that is not going to happen either. You see Cody Sullens, a Senior walkon, who was only playing because Josh McNeil the starting center was out for the year, is 6'1 and weighs 260 lbs. Let me say that again. HE IS 6'1" AND WEIGHS 260 LBS!!!!!! ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDING ME!!!!! Commander, you got your ass beaten, sealed and thrown to the ground by Tatoo for God's Sake! Sullens is so highly thought of that if you look at Mel Kiper's player rating of all the draft eligible players, he is not even listed. Not even a 20.
So with all that said, I will make a prediction on Cody. Not only will he NOT be drafted in the 1st round, but I think he will still be available when we pick in the 2nd round, and I STILL DON'T think we will draft him. There is one team that might take a shot in the 2nd round, but I'll go out on a limb and say they pass. Again, people will rightly question why I think I know better than others who do this for a living. Well, I don't think I am more informed than the coaches and scouts and I think when he is still sitting on the board late in the second round, it will actually prove that they do their job. It is the talking heads in the booth who don't do their job. It is the morons over at ESPN and NFL network who help create this myth, never really bothering to check whether this guy has any talent. We know how uninformed they are just by the way they talk about the Cardinals going into this draft. Guys like Charles Davis, Adam Shefter et al, I swear these guys must take payola the way they promote certain players. Again, watch the tape of the Tenn game. Listen to how they rave about this guy as he gets his butt kicked all over the field. It is happening right before their eyes and they don't see it!
Well, that's it. I hope you guys have enjoyed reading my posts as much as I have enjoyed writing it. And if any Cody supporters have now changed their mind, please raise your hand. I would love to hear your thoughts now.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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With all due respect
you seem to miss the concept of what NT brings to a 3-4. His job is to keep the OL occupied so everyone else around him can make plays without having to shed a Guard to make it, so the amount of tackles and sacks a NT has will never been an impressive number.
Second, you’re also not mentioning that Alabama didn’t give up a single 100-yard rushing game all season, to do that in a 3-4 is unheard of, and speaks volumes to the kind of play the NT is giving you.
Finally, in a previous post I quoted Georgia coach Mark Richt’s thoughts about Cody, and what it was like to try and set his blocking schemes to account for his presence. I don’t see Cody slipping to round 2, I still have my doubts if he reaches us at #26.
I haven’t changed my mind, but do admire your passion.
Correction
they didn’t give up a single 100-yard rushing game for 2 straight seasons (both the seasons that Cody was a starter).
by cardsfanforlife24 on Apr 19, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Just to be clear
They never let an INDIVIDUAL run for 100 yards. Plenty of TEAMS ran for well over 100 yards. And, again, the stats are VERY misleading because sacks go as negative rushing yards in college whereas in the pros it goes as negative yards in the passing game, where it should. So here are the REAL stats of how Alabama run D fared in the 11 games I rated:
VA TECH: 26-109
ARK: 23- 91
KY: 36-143
MISS: 22- 87
SO.CAR: 22- 92
TENN: 33- 95
LSU: 26-122
MIssST 35-134
AUB: 29-183
FLA: 13- 90
TEX: 27- 95
TOTAL: 292-1241 (112.72 YPG) (4.25 YPC)
These numbers are actually worse than I thought(forgot to add in 1 games sacks), but still, not bad for college, but certainly not dominating. And, again, look at the tape of their defense. It is a 3-4 in name only as they attack the line of scrimmage with a minimum of 4, but usually 5 or 6 players. On every play, on the snap at least 4 players attack the line. Now compare their pass defense in the same games with the stats using the NFL system :
VT: 9-20 46 yds. 5 Sacks 0 TD 0 INT
ARK: 16-41 163 yds 3 Sacks 1 TD 1 INT
KY: 17-32 158 yds. 2 Sacks 1 TD 3 INT
MISS: 11-34 125 yds. 1 Sacks 0 TD 4 INT
SC: 20-46 186 yds. 5 Sacks 0 TD 1 INT
TN: 21-37 246 yds. 2 Sacks 1 TD 1 INT
LSU: 14-27 131 yds. 3 Sacks 1 TD 1 INT
MsST 9-20 79 yds. 2 Sacks 0 TD 3 INT
AUB: 15-27 149 yds. 3 Sacks 2 TD 1 INT
FLA:: 20-35 245yds. 1 Sacks 1 TD 1 INT
TEX: 17-42 181 yds. 1 Sacks 2 TD 4 INT
Now look at the totals side by side::.
Rushing D
292-1241 yds. (112.72 YPG)(4.25 YPC) 5 TD
Passing D:
169-361 (46.8%) 1709 yds.(155.36 YPG) (4.73 YPA) 9 TD 20 INT
Those are how their respective stas translate into the NFL. And now you can see the STRENGTH of their defense was defending the pass. :
Wow good job on doing your homework
and thank you for the clarification. An impressive statement but you’re right it is misleading.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Apr 20, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I find it truly annoying when commentators and analysts talk about a defense not allowing A 100 yard rusher, without reference to what they allowed in total rushing. 100 yard games for an individual are great for fantasy football. I’ll take two backs that each get 75+ yards a game, every game and be happy. Wins count. Stats are just a byproduct of the game.
How often
was their opponent in 2nd and 3rd and long? It’s easier to defend the pass when you turn a team one-dimensional.
Whoa
I gave you the stats. If you want to know how often they were in 2nd or 3rd and long, do the work, like I did. I will not make a claim unless I can back it up. You can’t just assume. But irregardless, I gave you the numbers over 11 games and they averaged 4.25 yards per carry and 4.73 yards per pass attempt. That is ridiculously close and I will go out on a limb and guarantee there was not one division one program or NFL team that has a difference that small.
I didn't expect you to
know the number, it was more rhetorical to get you to see the connection between a good run defense and how it leads to an effective pass defense. If a team is forced into obvious passing downs it’s much different defending it than if they’re in 2nd and short, 3rd and short, etc.
I do understand
We differ on what type of player has to be there and what to expect from him. Dal, Blt and SF, 3 teams with small NT ranked this way vs the run in 2009:
Balt 93.3 YPG 3.4 YPC
SF 97.0 YPG 3.6 YPC
Dal 90.5 YPG 4.0 YPC
Great numbers, wouldn’t you agree? And what did all 3 have in common besides NT’s on the small side? Pro Bowl play from at the LB position. I doubt Ratliff, Franklin or Gregg commanded double teams on every play, but with solid LB play behind them, it didn’t matter.
One more thing, and this is the last time I am checking stats, but you say NT’s don’t have good individual stats and that is true, they are not going to have the numbers the LB’s have but they should at least not be putrid, like Cody’s. Here are the solo tackle numbers from both pro and college NT’s:
Cody 21’rated’ games – 11 solo(0.52per game)
Nield(W.VA) 11 ‘rated games – 12 solo(1.09 per game)
Derrick Hill(Cal) 17 ’rated’ games – 14 solo(0.82 per game)
Now the Pros
Gregg 16 games – 46 solo(2.87 per game)
Ratliff 16 games – 29 solo(1.81 per game)
Hampton 16 games – 23 solo(1.44 per game)
Edwards(KC) 16 games – 24 solo(1.5 per game)
Franklin 16 games – 25 solo(1.56 per game)
*Wilfork 13 games – 31 solo(2.38 per game)
S.Rogers 11 games – 27 solo(2.45 per game)
Ferguson(Mia) 10 games – 15 solo(1.5 per game)
Jenkins 6 games – 11 solo(1.83 per game)
Pouha 10 games – 23 solo(2.3 per game)
Pickett(GB) 13 games – 22 solo(1.69 per game)
Raji(GB) 14 games – 19 solo(1.36 per game)
Watson(AZ) 16 games – 22 solo(1.37 per game)
Robinson(AZ) 16 games – 17 solo(1.06 per game)
As you can again see Cody can’t even beat out unknown college players at the same position, becuase he doesn’t know how to shed blockers and if he can’t do it at he college level, he is meat at the pro level. No team is going to stand for a lineman who simply takes up space. It is incomprehensible!
Oh, and the asterisk beside Wilfork is because he had NINE solos in the playoff game vs Balt., more than Cody had in any one SEASON!
Toolman
I live in Allentown, which part of PA are you in?
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
I'm about 90 miles north of you
a little town called Hawley
Up towards Honesdale right?
Cardinalfever is in Shavertown, just north of Wilkes Barre. Maybe the 3 of us could get together for agame this season. Not a lot of us Cardinals fans in PA after all…
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
I'm about 15 miles from Honesdale
We gotta keep in touch this season. I can honestly say I have never watched a Cardinal game with actual Cardinal fans before…except for my kids, of course. But that would be great.
Same situation
The Super-Bowl was HELL in Erie. Except when we almost won. Finally, the Steelers couch was quiet…
Should have seen the Steelers fans at the Super Bowl
They all talked smack to me and my brother the whole game, and when we had the lead for those 2 minutes at the end, they were dead silent. I thought for sure we were going to get in a fight with some of the jackasses that sat in our section…
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
I respect the Steelers
Just not their fans.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jesse Reynolds on Apr 20, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I've loved these posts
and I’m sad this was the final insalment. I remain unconvinced by your pleadings but I applaud your efforts. Mt. Cody will be a dominating NT in the NFL, he has shown it in college though the stats don’t, and never will for a NT, show it. Having the dominant NT will make our entire D better as it will free up our LB corp to run more by accupying the blockers. Can Cody be lazy at times, yes. Can Cody get sloppy with his technique, yes. Does Cody have a weight problem, yes.
Has Cody shown tremendous talent, yes. Has Cody played in a 3-4 at NT before, yes. Does Cody fit the mold of other dominant NT’s, yes.
Should Cody be highly rated on our belvoed Cards draft board, YES!
Just curious...
did you watch the highlights of the Tenn game? I’m trying to see if people are seeing the same things I am.
Even so, this is a small slice of the pie
And, as you’ve so diligently noted, it’s an awfully big pie.
It wasn't the whole pie, but a pretty big slice.....
And the biggest slice you are going to find on the Comander from one game. But you also must rememebr it was THE game for him. The game that made him a legend. There was not a game before or after that he was more prominently mentioned for his play. And he got his butt kicked by a guy who weighed 100+ pounds less than him and wil never wear a football uniform again….except maybe at his 20 year reunion. And if he can’t dominate a 260 lb walkon center in one on one blocks at the colege level, what the hell is going to happen to him in the NFL?
You've gone after Cody with admirable tenacity
I’m not convinced either way on him. You can count that as a partial victory I suppose. As I’ve said before, I really don’t care who they get. Just get the right guy. I’ll trust the team to build the defense properly. Looking forward to thursday. Next week we’ll have a whole new batch of draftees to rave or gripe about. If I put in as much time on these guys as you have on just Cody my wife would castrate me while I slept.
That's why I do it when she sleeps
Being half asleep at work is another story, though!
I can't wait till Saturday after the draft.
That’s when we’ll get all of our UFAs who will be the meat and potatoes of our team. Not to mention all the gems Steve Keim will uncover.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Apr 19, 2010 7:51 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yes!
Going to be a fantastic handful of days. I’m excited to see all the discourse finally take shape. Man, about half the guys I have my eye on in the draft project from the 6th round on down so, yeah, Saturday will be good, too!
I saw the ’hawks released G Trevor Canfield (remember him?). I have been waiting all weekend to see us re-sign him (a la Chris Harrington) but the Lions grabbed him Monday. Ah, well.
I went and watched those Bama vsTenn "highlights" (twice actually)
…and as an unbiased (and admittedly novice) talent evaluator I think this argument has some merit. I’ll be honest, I hadn’t really paid much attention to Cody before reading this four part series other then hearing the “Mount Cody” hyperbole as he really isn’t high on the Niner’s draft board from a “need” perspective.
I know that a 3-4 NT isn’t going to be making a lot of plays in the backfield and will be seeing ton of double teams but he should be able to at least get some push when getting blocked 1 on 1. In those Tennessee highlights Cody gets single blocked by that 260lb backup center a number of times and gets stonewalled and even knocked down (or kind of falls over) a few times.
That “play” he makes by getting into the backfield past the guard definitely looks like a blown assignment by the guard and even then the RB (Hardesty) gets around Cody and it’s the outside contain that makes the stop and Cody just belly flops on the RB at the end.
It just seems his strength doesn’t match his mass as he mostly holds his ground but he doesn’t really get a push (even against a backup center).
I don’t think I’ve ever read such an in depth analysis of why a guy shouldn’t be drafted, it was very interesting, thanks for taking the time to do it.
While you make valid points
Isnt Cody’s teammate Rolando McClain one of the top LB prospects? I’m telling ya the real estate hog in the middle makes average linebackers great, and great linebackers legendary. See Tony Siragusa and a young LB named Ray Lewis…Although I believe they run a 46 and I am not sure the difference on a 46 and 3-4
But....
Ray Lewis has performed at an elite level long after Goose retired.
wish you woulda did this same recon when it came to...
tom knight, andre wadsworth, wendell bryant, buster davis, bryant johnson, darrel blackstock, and levi brown.
lol, good stuff, i dont watch too much college, and know few guys, when we took DRC, i was like who?? now i’m lookin to buy his jersey.
by fansincejakenrob on Apr 19, 2010 10:04 PM MDT reply actions
Think the only name I recognized last year was Wells
I feel a little better prepared this year, but we’ll see!
Great Post
Before reading these installments, I was pro Cody. I of course didn’t go through the trouble and research you did. I watch some of the videos and you’re spot on. As a NT, his real job is to take on as many blockers as possible, and if given the opportunity, make a play. He rarely takes on more than two, and a lot of the time, they’re just chipping. He seems to do more harm than good by being blown out of plays or being non-existent. Like you said his backup seems more servicable. I would hope that a Troup or Thomas are left in the second, assuming Williams is gone in the first.
LaRussa makes too much sense too little of the time.
Thank You
I’m so glad you noticed that too. I’m sure statisically he is getting credit for taking on a dbl-tm block, but more often that not it is a chip. Hell, a RB could do that and then catch a pass on the same play. Love you LaRussa refeerence BTW.
Man he looks slow.
I watched the Tenn highlights. He takes up a lot a space, but he doesn’t seem to do much else.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Apr 20, 2010 1:35 PM MDT reply actions
No shit?
Really, what are you expecting from Cody? Nobody’s calling him the next Shaun Rogers (huge man who can actually move), he’s simply a big man that teams will feel as if though they must dedicate two blockers to defending simply because he is so gargantuan. Assigning two blockers to him on 1st & 2nd down, especially if they’re a running team, is big loss of their resources.
That being said, I wouldn’t be happy with him in the 1st. Though he’s showed that he’s willing to work hard and attempt to get in shape if he has to, he still just doesn’t have enough of a motor to be anything more than an “immovable” clog in the middle of our defensive line, but our 3-4 isn’t built to use the defensive line as cloggers – as far as I can tell, we prefer the Wade Phillips method of having defensive lineman who are quicker/capable of rushing the passer more than anything.
Agreed
Well done! CC and 90 are penetrators more than run stuffers. A penetrator in the middle who is strong enough to hold is own vs the double-team is what I think we will look for at NT.
Not many players fit that mold, though.
Which is why great NTs are so highly valued and rare. Still, I’m with you – no go @ Cody.
So from the conversation above I'm lead to believe
that you guys don’t believe the answer to our NT need is in this year’s draft? Not that I’d be surprised like Chg91 said great NTs are highly valued and rare. But that doesn’t change the fact that our team is in desperate need of someone besides unproven Gabe Watson (who I’m a fan of and hope he can stay healthy and be our answer at NT).
For those opposed to Cody, what do you suggest we do in the draft regarding the NT position if we do anything that is?
by cardsfanforlife24 on Apr 21, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that Dan Williams kid may slip.
Maybe take a flyer on him at 26th overall?
cough

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