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Although it's recently sent two teams to the Super Bowl, the NFC West has long been considered the worst division in the NFL. Since the divisions aligned in 2002, the West hasn't featured a primary rivalry until the Cardinals opened University of Phoenix Stadium in 2006 against the 49ers. Since that year, the Cardinals and 49ers have continued to open against each other, and since '07, they've both matched up on Monday Night Football. The NFL has clearly made an attempt to stir up a competitive rivalry in the league's "worst" division, and at this point, it's worked.

The 49ers currently lead the series with a 9-7 record since 2002, and as most 49er fans will tell you, they swept the Cardinals last year. The 49ers have the slight edge, with an average score of 24.3 to 22.5, meaning  the series has been decided by a slight 1.8 point-difference in nine seasons. When these teams match up, the game play is intense, and as you can see, they usually go down to the wire. The "smack talk" between the two teams has grown immensely, with the most recent Twitter-feud between the Cardinals' Darnell Dockett and the 49ers' Vernon Davis just last week.

Is there a general hate between the two fan bases? I'd say no. The fire hasn't fueled to that extent...yet. There is however, a hate for each other's team. The NFL has succeeded in creating a fiery rivalry that most fans look forward to watching every year. There's a lot to look forward to for the 2010 season. The Cardinals have already been written off and the 49ers have been given the "favorite" label to win the NFC West. The assessment may not be fair, but it is justified. The 49ers emerged as a very tough team last season, while the Cardinals lost loads of talent this offseason. However, the Cardinals have won the division the last two seasons and successfully replaced much of the talent they lost. The 49ers did had a very successful draft and their hopes are high for 2010. Next season, the teams won't open against each other as they've done in years past, but they will face each other on Monday Night Football and will face off in the season finale. Both teams will be vying for the NFC West crown, and winning both match ups will be imperative for either team.

Who gets the sweep this year? Will the Cardinals get revenge, or will the 49ers extend their streak to two years? 49ers fans from www.ninersnation.com have been invited and are part of this discussion. Use this thread to discuss the rivalry that has developed between these two teams and post who you think will win the division next season. 

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How will the series end between the Cardinals and 49ers in 2010?
Cardinals sweep the series
180 votes
49ers sweep the series
304 votes
Split
253 votes

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I'll open with my prediction

I see this series being a sweep. The series hasn’t been a split since 2003 and I can’t imagine it changing this year. For some reason, the team that wins first must gain more confidence going into the second game. Since the first game is primetime in AZ, I’m taking the Cardinals(big surprise) to sweep the 49ers in 2010.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 9:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Seems like we go back and forth on the sweeps too.

09 Niners took series, 08 we took it, 07 they took it, 06 we took it. If I were a betting man I would take the Cards to win it this year but I am biased as well.

by Pyromnc on May 17, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think I could ever bet on this serious

it would surely give me a heart attack since the games are already competitive enough

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is the year that something gives

The pattern has to break at some point. Maybe we split this series?

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I thought

I predict a series split this year—both teams have talent and desire to win the series. I just feel it will be split this year.

by SundayBlitz on May 18, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like this rivalry

It’s cool because Leinart and Smith came into the league a year between each other and both are getting shots to play a full season again. Even though both have different styles, I would rate them pretty close to each other in skill level. I liked Leinart’s performance last year against the Titans, he’s showed a bit of maturity since his last start. I hope for a Niners sweep, but I honestly think we split this season.

by Amigo on May 17, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

We split it.

We’re going to give up the first one to you guys. Breaston will score a game winner on a long touchdown in the first game. But we’ll have you in the second game.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would be the first in 6 seasons but anything can happen

It seems more likely to be a slipt though. Something’s got to give

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I voted that we split it too

Division championship might come down to that week 17 game at San Francisco

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping that second game won't be for anything but pride...

with the Cards having already sewn up the division. So, I’ll spot you that win, no prob.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

My own prediction

I just posted a link to this over at NN and closed the comments so we can keep people chatting over here.

It does seem like a split ends up being the likely result. It’s hard to tell recently though with the first game happening in the opener. Most folks really aren’t all that sure about their team until a few weeks into the season, so the lesser team can often sneak away with the win at the start of the season. This year, the games will be late in the season when everybody will know what’s what with their respective team.

Naturally I think the 49ers will sweep, but a split might be more likely if one team runs away with the division. If the 49ers or Cardinals win the first game and come Week 17 have a comfortable lead, we could see starters rested, thus opening the door for a split. But, I’ll stick with a 49ers sweep.

by David Fucillo on May 17, 2010 9:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Good point

That last game may turn recent history into…history. A split does seem very likely but I don’t know if I’m ready to go against the grain.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for hosting this ROTB, Andrew

I personally look at the way the 49ers get up for these games. Last year, the opener, seems like a totally different team that the 49ers marched on the field. Shaun Hill and his punt-like passes (few and far between though the final drive was a thing of beauty)…Gore getting stuffed, no Crabtree catching passes, and a green Dashon Goldson still making some mistakes.

The offensive philosophy was predictable and the aforementioned final drive was the only time we really saw things become versatile. We all saw what happened last year through the Alex Smith transition and eventual offensive shift, balance, or whatever it ended up as in your own mind. I think the team will do it’s best to be unpredictable on offense unless it gets to the point in a game where it needs to grind the ball, play from behind, etc.

Crabtree had a stellar start to his career and showed us real talent in plucking the ball, crisp, deceptive routes, and getting yards after the catch as a tough nosed receiver. Gore performed well when he had blocking, and the line generally improved not to mention the addition of Iupati and Davis (both of whom I think we’d all expect to be playing by the time the two teams face later in the season).

The defense has no losses to any starters and gained some solid depth. Guys like Goldson, Brown, Brooks, etc. will also have had another season, off-season, etc. to add to their repertoire. Willis has his job security validated and Franklin, Lawson, Goldson are all in a contract year…tasting the dollars they saw P-52 make.

Alex Smith also has his first season with the same playbook, coaches, and a healthy shoulder since he entered the league. Plus, he now looks to have protection and skill around him.

I can’t say I think the Cardinals are a better team this year than last. Losing Warner is a step back no matter who is the replacement. We could debate the other key losses and their replacements but I don’t think I could certainly say one way or another on them.

All of this to me, call it the off-season optimism, makes me believe that the 49ers will prevail in a series sweep again in 2010.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 10:17 AM MDT reply actions  

With Gore getting older and possibly facing more injuries

The 49ers could be in trouble if he goes down. Also, how confident are you that TWO rookie lineman will come in and play at a dominant level right away? There is an adjusting period for some rookies to make.

We could also make the same argument as far as establishing our image by the time we meet on MNF. The Cardinals will also have plenty of game tape to watch and will know what kind of 49ers team they are facing.

Either way this will be the best match up we’ve seen between both teams. I believe both will end up with winning records by the time the season ends.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

offensive lineman

The 49ers don’t need initial dominance from Iupati and Davis. They definitely need them to develop, but I think they have some cushion in getting them to the top of their game. I think the continuity in the offense will benefit the line initially.

by David Fucillo on May 17, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

another way to put it:

Iupati and Davis just need to play OK. Last year Snyder was a turnstile at RT and Baas, while he improved, didn’t pass block or drive block very well to say the least.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

It truly amazes me that

so many Card fans simply brush off the fact that Warner is gone, and they think their team will move forward without a hitch. Really? Running backs are replaceable, HOF QBs are not. This is true without mentioning the other key losses (Boldin, etc.)

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Losing Warner is going to hurt for sure

but most of us are excited to see what Matt’s got. He’s never been given his chance and with the time he’s had behing that FHOF QB, he’s got a shot to be a darn good QB himself. Boldin was good, but we never suffered without him. Boobs and Doucet will fill in nicely. Our gameplan will definately change a great deal, but by the time we play the 9ers we should have our offensive identity figured out.

by AlaskanCard on May 17, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

forgive me

but who is “Boobs”?

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

haha

our pet names for Breaston

by AlaskanCard on May 17, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like what you guys do with V.D. and Crabs

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boobs is "Breast"on.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

niners84

Just keep in mind that the offense will be more run-oriented. You can never take away what Warner provides and accomplished as a Cardinal, but he was never truly effective against the 49ers. With the easiest schedule in the NFL and the back up at running back, I believe the Cardinals will still be successful with or without Warner.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know you think that

But when your Cards ended Steve Youngs career, I thought the same thing. “Oh we’ll be alright”. Not so, even with Jeff Garcia as his backup, we struggled for a few years to regain that winning formula. Obviously there were other factors, but I’m saying don’t discount the importance of QB continuity and don’t set your expectations too high for the new QB.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why

Did you ever trade Garcia? From the outside looking in, that guy played well for you.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would argue Marriuchi shoulda stayed too

F.O. was not good back then

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

and no,

I can’t spell his name

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Garcia was always viewed as a stopgap

for every team he ever played for.

He’s one of my favorite 49ers

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was def a good quarterback. He should've stayed with Tampa Bay when he had the chance instead of wanting long term stability

Now he’s out of the league.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

he should have just stayed somewhere. Even as a backup. I loved watching him in Philly and wished he could have kept playing but we all know that wasn’t happening.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your offensive line isn't that good though.....

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

With the experience along the line

and the addition of Faneca our line is better than its ever been. You’re probably sticking with the stigma we’ve had since the dawn of time but Whiz and specifically Russ Grimm have really turned it around. We have some maulers on there it’ll definitely be run-oriented.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

We had Maulers too

Yet we had the worst OL in the NFL last year.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but it depends on the individual. Faneca will be fine his resume proves that. The rest of the line has been together for years, Keith is the only wild card and he’s been training with Grimm for a year. If Grimm is impressed with him I’ll take his word for it.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Faneca isn't the same

I suspect he’ll upgrade his spot just from knowing the position, but iirc he’s not able to pull and get to the 2nd level like he used to back in Pitt. Good guy, but he’s limited in movement I believe, not as much as when we had big LA (totally shot knees) though.

by Dave R. on May 17, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

FYI, Faneca is coming off of a pro bowl year

Yes he’s older and may not be as quick as he once was but he’s still a very good guard.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Make that going on three years that Keith has worked with Grimm

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry was thinking Herman Johnson

he has only been 1 or 2 years right?

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

2

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 19, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

What amazes me

is how the rest of the fans/columnists/“experts” around the league seem to think that his retirement is the only thing that occurred this off-season. The 49’ers, more than any other team we played, should know that regardless of how good Warner was, that we had holes in our line-up that were very exploitable (something Singletary understood all too well). Getting Dan Williams at #26 was a ridiculous steal, and should dramatically improve our run defense. Getting Porter should allow us to get to the QB more consistently, and allow us to do it without sending the house. Our O-Line, without Warner, will be able to focus more on the run, and it will be more built for that purpose (i.e. – Faneca). Trading for Rhodes will off-set the loss of Rolle, and in time Washington will replace what Dansby provided and should be a new dimension for us in our pass defense.

In short, Leinart will have a better run game and better overall defense to work with than Warner did. Whisenhunt has designed his drafts and free agency approach to deal with situations exactly like we’re facing this season, hence our belief that we’ll forward towards our 3rd straight division title. The one thing I will grant you, and is a concern, is that your team continues to improve itself as well. I mentioned it in a previous post, but this is the first season in recent memory where I can see two teams making the playoffs out of this division.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

this

was well put. I still feel that there will be a slight step back in implementing a different philosophy and so many new players. Perhaps just a minor hiccup that causes the Cardinals to lose 2 more games than last year…but I feel the effects will be felt.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Two games early in the year, probably

But two from our win total last year, I doubt it. I could see it as a potential problem early in the year, but once this team get’s past that point, they’ll be ok.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd normally agree with you

but the turnout we’ve had in our “voluntary” off-season mini-camps has been amazing, the only player missing is OG Deuce Lutui. The players are very much buying into what Whisenhunt is building here.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very true

That could eliminate a lot of the learning curve that some players will face.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

I’m confident enough to rule out Seattle and St. Louis. If two teams make it to the playoffs it will be AZ and SF.

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

understatement

of the year!

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

We're probably the only two fanbases that would agree with that statement

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

if the Rams think they have a shot

then that organization has done the best marketing job on the face of the planet.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Rams have NO shot, but the Seahawks stand an outside chance at 8-8

Every year a team emerges and surprises everyone. I think the Seahawks have too many holes at this point. They got that LT but who else is on their O line? SF and AZ will exploit their weaknesses.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can't wait for the first game of 2010

‘cause it’s against the SeaChickens. Revenge for the game we handed them last year, sticking it to Carroll, setting the tone in the divisional hierarchy…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Seattle

fans are confused if they think they can win more than 8 games next year.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's what I say

and said, above. They are going to have a load of talent but don’t expect big things just yet

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

The O-line is probably not going to be the issue next year.

Okung, Hamilton, Spencer, Unger, Locklear should be an okay line. Hamilton was brought over by Gibbs from Denver to mentor Okung the same way he did for Clady. And while Locklear failed at LT last year, he has been a solid starting RT for us since 2005. But mostly I’d just trust in Gibbs track record.

What is going to kill us next year is our D-line. Where is the pressure going to come from? Even if Linnart and Smith struggle next year, they’re going to look like All Pros against Seattle if we give them all day with the talent both teams have at WR/TE.

by Mind of no mind on May 17, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your secondary is also suspect.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not.

It depends on wheather or not Trufant bounces back from last year. He came back from his back injury mid season, and was terrible. He’s 29 years old, so if he can comeback completely from his injury with a full offseason to recover, he should still have 2-3 years left at a high level. If his back still bothers him, then yeah, we’re in trouble. It also depends on how quickly Thomas develops. But Pete Carroll has an excellent track record when it comes to NFL safeties, so there is reason to be optimistic.

But most likely, if the secondary looks bad this year, it’s going to have more to do with our pass rush, than a lack of secondary talent.

by Mind of no mind on May 17, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's why I said suspect

Not terrible.

The pass rush sure won’t help the DBs though…

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's the same story as last year

Everyone thought the Seahawks would emerge again and take the NFC west.

Too bad “everyone” didn’t realize that the Seahawks have less talent than the Cards and 49ers.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I’m thinking 30 of the 32 franchises would look at that thought as logical, and considering how realistic most Rams fans are, we might only be looking at the Seahawk fans as the lone holdout.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Seahawks

I actually wouldn’t rule out Seattle at this point. I think they could be pretty bad, but I also think there have been enough changes that they could surprise folks and be in it late in the season. Really I just think there are so many questions with them that it’s hard to declare anything about them. They could go 10-6 or 6-10 and I don’t know if I’d be all that shocked.

by David Fucillo on May 17, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

8-8

is their benchmark I say. Carroll will have them playing better than any team he’s coached against recently…which were all college teams.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

+2

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's why Carroll doesn't coach the offense.

The OC will be Jeremy Bates, and he will be installing his own offense that he learned under Shanahan in Denver. He was USC’s OC last year, but he still was using USC’s offensive scheme, not his own.

And I don’t think a lot of people in Seattle (or at least on Field Gulls) are expecting a huge turnaround this year. Most seem to think 8-8 is a best case senario, but expect it to be a losing season. Most of our hope comes from the weakness of our division and the AFC West, not on the strength of our team.

by Mind of no mind on May 17, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess you're not mentioning

all the key losses from the Arizona roster over the course of the off-season then?

by sestes on May 17, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with fooch

Snyder and company really srtuggled last year, so all we need is for Davis and Iupati to hold their own and perform at a reasonable rate until they can develope into the monsters that they will become. Anyways, they are still an upgrade even if green.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gore's age isn't the issue

he’s 27. Injuries, yes we will be watching the ankles come about week 3. Still, if the line play is solid, I think Coffee and Dixon will fill in nicely. Remember, Gore doesn’t make a lot of guys miss, he’s just really good at making that cut into the hole. There would be a drop-off but I don’t think it would be a massive shock wave felt.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

and

Dixon: have you seen this kid? I wouldn’t want to meet him in the hole for sure. I hope he provides us a nice short yardage punch at times, for starters.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just remember that although 27 seems young

For a running back, it isn’t. 27 isn’t a long way from 30 – the age where running backs go to die. I’m not sold on Coffee. He came into the preseason last year saying he wasn’t impressed with NFL defenses and then hit a wall when the regular season began. Dixon def looks like a good prospect. I think he was a steal at where you guys drafted him. But he is a rookie and I wouldn’t want to rest too much of a load on him should Gore go down.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Coffee

isn’t Gore, to be sure. But he had the same crappy O-Line to run behind (or at least their performances at that time of year) that Gore did. Remember that if Gore didn’t have some long runs against Seattle, Indy, etc. his numbers wouldn’t have looked too good in 2009 either. I really think the O-Line tells the entire story for the offense this year and I’m drinking the Solari and Brown kool-aid.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Coffee hit a rookie wall

He’s bulked up this off season (10 lbs of muscle from what I hear) and should be a lot more effective. If not we have Dixon.

Neither is Frank da Tank but they should be reasonably effective gaining positive yards keeping 3rd down manageable if Gore is out. Ideally they take some of his carries in general so we can have Gore every game.

by Dave R. on May 17, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

lmao

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Always nice having blog inside jokes

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

Most 49ers fans are probably more sold on Dixon, but there’s a lot of us who think Coffee can still be good in the league. He got the bulk of his carries while Shaun Hill was the quarterback, and teams stacked the box against his weak arm. He was also running behind a terrible offensive line. No excuses for Coffee now though, he needs to show some stuff or go home this season.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Coffee WILL be good in the league

We were using him when the plays were super predictable. He will get his chance this season.

by Amigo on May 17, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I really liked what I saw out of Coffee in the preseason

Until Dockett slammed him in week 1. And after I heard those comments he made. A rookie should never come in the league saying that.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he was trying to impress Sing with confidence.

Either way, he should come back. He should.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's barely 27 though

I think he’s still 26 right now.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Almost anyone can block better than Snyder

Baas was solid but I think that Iupati should be able to unseat him by the 2nd half of the season.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

If not earlier

I really like Iupati

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

But I’m keeping my expectations low.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Being a fan of the Cardinals

I know all about keeping expectations low, or I’d have committed suicide a while ago lol.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey now

I’ve suffered for the past 8 years too.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Being a niners fan or a cardinals fan

practically makes us kin lol

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I really like Baas

but no way it takes Iupati 8 games to unseat him.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

low expectations

I’m sure Iupati can replace Baas starting week one.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

The 49ers always seemed to have Warner's number.

Our passing game was never what it could have been against them. I feel like a new offensive strategy is what the Cards need to overcome the poor play we witnessed against San Fran last year. A steady dose of Beanie, mix in some Timmy, some exciting plays from Doucet and Roberts and 1 or 2 big catches from Breaston and Fitz each in a Monday night game takes the Cards to a win. The final game of the season I feel won’t matter as one team or the other will already have the division, and because I’m biased, I’m saying Cards sweep.

by AlaskanCard on May 17, 2010 10:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Good point Alaskan

They did always have Warner’s number. Perhaps it was his lack of mobility but they could easily get to him with a 3 man rush. This year things will be different with the Cardinals new O line and Beanie running the ball more.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

BUT

49ers have one of the leauges best run defenses. Besides, Goldson will just make Beanie fumble again. I like Leinart on a personal level and hope he becomes sucessful in the future, but I don’t see him giving you guys what Warner gave you right away.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

True

Matt doesn’t have that explosive play, but I don’t believe the offense will call his number to serve that purpose.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I feel like games between the Niners and Cards

Will always be decided on something like Michael Robinson being stuffed with no time left on the clock on the goal line, or Dashon Goldson/Ahmad Brooks/Willis forcing a fumble and the physicality getting to your offense.

You guys will need Hightower and Wells to beat us, and that’s why I’m pretty confident, our run defense is sick and will only get better with Mays’ speed.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

i was just about to ask

are the Cardinals afraid of Ahmad Brooks? Probably not cause he’s under the radar but he pretty much owned them in the MNF game.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

He should be on the Cardinals radar but he's the least of my worries

Justin Smith is a thorn in my side.

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brooks brings some of that same intensity

albeit not an every down player like Smith…yet

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

but yes

Justin Smith is a beast. We were talking a few days ago how he could probably play every position on the D-Line despite his size because he’s just so high-motor. Regularly fights off double teams, rushes inside, out, stunts…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

He humiliated both their tackles in the MNF game

But then again, everyone humiliates Levi Brown.
:P

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not true

Our tackles get too much criticism, once our offense balances out the run/pass ratio our linemen will have a more level playing field. Brown was a Pro Bowl alternate last season, and generally played very well in the second half of the season.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still waiting for him to emerge

as a consistent player though. Live up to his 5th overall draft pick stock. Maybe moving back to his natural side will allow him to do so.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Every time I see Levi Brown

He’s spinning around trying to get a hand on a defensive lineman as he blows right past him.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Apparently you

don’t watch him very often then. Are you mixing him up with Gandy?

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gandy is pretty bad too

But come on, Haralson and Brooks humiliated him in both match-ups (Haralson in the first and Brooks in the 2nd)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you're basing your

observation off two games, then I can see your skepticism. However, if you look at all 16 you’ll see a different story.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw the MIN game too

But you’re right, it’s a very small sample size.

It’s just that everytime I see the Cardinals, I see Levi Brown spinning ala Adam Snyder.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's the Look Out! blocking scheme

He had a rough game against Haralson to open the season.

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you saw the MN

game you should have come away with a little different opinion of him, we owned MN on the line of scrimmage that night. Even our back-up LT (Jeremy Bridges) held Jared Allen to nothing.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

He only gave up 1 sac

since Week 12

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

How many sacks did he give up on the year?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

6-7

Lots of 1 on 1’s.
Not saying he has turned the corner, but saying he is improved.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was the #5 pick, no?

I’d say he hasn’t lived up to expectations.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

But hes not a bust. Serviceable pass blocker, good run blocker.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

On the verge

He’s improved every year and will be moving to his college position (LT) for the first time in 2010. The sack totals are a little misleading, in a balanced offense he’ll get to run block more. I think he’s still paying the price in the minds of many since we took him over AD, but our offense couldn’t put up the numbers it does without the OL doing something right.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should correct myself.

Strip by Ronald Fields and recovery by Banta-Cain.

by Amigo on May 17, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

You had to remind me of that one...

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually think it has more to do with the matchups in the secondary. Our big physical corners like Spencer and Clements match up well with your big physical recievers. We get burned by quicker, smaller guys like D. Jackson and R. White.

by hellaninersfan on May 17, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe Andre Roberts will be the one who has to have a big game then.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now that's a guy I'm scared of

That dude is GOOD.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That wont happen anytime soon

But Roberts does have the speed to pose match up problems.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

and we're hoping the aforementioned Mays helps with this issue

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

eventually

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think Mays can cover Roberts

He runs very good routes.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

you say "can"

that’s present tense. I agree. Eventually though, I hope he can adequately cover good TE’s.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Roberts is a WR

And I think he’ll be a great one.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really

Warner has been historically awesome against the 49ers.

He had a bad game last year but throughout his career he has always owned the 49ers.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

except last year, both games

One game was just uninspired. The MNF game was atrocious. He had them occasionally.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

He did Ok week 1

They finally got to him in the MNF game though.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

He did ok week 1 if your team won.

The offense wasn’t anything for a Cardinals fan to be excited about that game.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well the 49ers defense was pretty good that game....

But you can’t say Warner has struggled against the 49ers.

He’s whooped us non-stop since he came into the league.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he whooped you guys in his first year.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

49ers take the division with a 11-5 record

It’s no secret that the 49ers had an 8-8 record. With a suspect line and often inefective running game, they switched to a spread formation effectively hiding the O-lines faults. With a greatly improved O-line they now have the ability to run when they want to.

49ers lost 6 of the 8 games by 7 points or less. With one of those losses coming from a Farve pass at the end of the game. BTW you don’t have Farve so I’m not worried about you guys doing that to us this year. 49ers are the ONLY team last year to hold Warner and P. Manning without a touchdown in a single game. (Warner had one in the first game, I’m talking about the second game were we rolled you : ) I see the 49ers sweeping the 2 games by a close margine. You guys lost alot of talent this year and I just don’t see you recovering enough to pull out the division. Needless to say that Seattle has improved to the point that they can win games now, and the Rams can always pull one out of their hat.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

i would like to see this happen

because then Arizona could likely get in as a Wildcard and the NFCW would be dually represented.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

If we can get two to the playoffs, then it will bring respect back to the division.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

and balance to the force

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Def would bring back respect

And Imagine a wild card game between the Cardinals and 49ers. That said, close games or not, they are still losses for a reason. Perhaps that suggests that the 49ers aren’t good in clutch situations. In that case, I wouldn’t be so confident.

As for the losses, we lost a receiver but already have two proven starters. We lost a quarterback but already had one waiting to take over, we lost a safety but replaced him with a better one, and we lost a linebacker but drafted his replacement. There may be many adjustments for this entire team to make, but the talent dropoff won’t be huge.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't

I don’t care about outsiders respecting our division. They didn’t respect the NFC West when the Niners were collecting 5 Lombardi trophies and they didn’t respect the NFC West when the Cards made their SB run. They didn’t respect the NFC West when the Hawks made an appearance and probably didn’t respect the NFC West when the Niners and Rams were both playoff teams in 2001 & 2002.

Historically, the NFC West has been the 49ers punching bags anyway. I’ll be happy when those days are back (2010+)

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

This

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

11-5 for the niners won’t happen. Someone’s drinking the kool-aid. 11-5 won’t happen for the Cards and we’re still the reigning NFC champs. Yes we lost Warner, but if we’re strictly comparing our two teams I’d take Leinart’s situation over Smith. Smith has been given more opportunities than Leinart and fell on his face. Leinart lost his position to a future HOF quarterback and that was due to injury. Smith lost his job to…. what was that guy’s name again? People say Cardinals fans overlook the loss of Warner, seems like niner fans are overlooking the fact that their qb sucks. 11-5 will happen for neither team. A split seems most likely this year as the niners have taken another season to close the gap.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

are you talking about Shaun Hill?

the guy who lead the game-winning drive against Arizona in week 1 of 2009?

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Smith also hasn't played a full healthy season since his first

when he had arguably the worst surrounding cast of any QB in the history of the universe. He’s never had the same system or coaches until this year either. I think Leinhart had a lot more going for him. Granted, you’re right in that he lost his job to a future HOF’er…but before that he really should have taken the reigns.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

both our qb’s have had their chance and didn’t capitalize, regardless of their supporting cast. As I pointed out in a previous segment, they are professionals, they are responsible for raising the level of performance of those around them, not falling to meeting their standards.
Leinart did take the reigns, before the beginning of his rookie season he won in open competition against Warner, something seemed to click once Warner got on the field again (probably realized it was his last chance) and he didn’t let go until he retired.
I haven’t had a chance to look at the niners schedule, I know people are saying the Cards have the easiest in the league, how difficult do you guys consider your schedule?

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

in Smith's first year

he couldn’t drop back for a pass without getting blasted by a pass rusher. I don’t know that anyone would have been able to elevate anything in that situation though…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Same with Matt

He had a WR, but no RB, and no line. It wasn’t a surprise when he got hurt.

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by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

As soon as he dropped back Witherspoon nailed him.

He had no time to react.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

we have a pretty soft schedule

some tough games but many at home. I hope the London thing doesn’t hurt us…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Denver, and Yes

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

That sucks

that just means you guys basically lost one home game for the year.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't count that game as a home game

Its away for both teams. The jet lag could be bad for the team too.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't realize they had to travel

to London this season. I haven’t looked it up, but it seems like that trip across the pond usually has a negative effect on the teams that have to do it.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

at Carolina then directly from there to London. Bye week afterwards but we’ll see how it affects us.

Financially the NFL is supposed to make sure the revenue is the same as what it would have been for a home game…not sure how good of a job they do of that.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

having your bye week

right after should help to nullify the effect of that trip.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah but

it’ll cut guy’s vacations short by a few days…that can’t be minimized

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

They fly from Carolina to London

So it’s not that bad.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Two weeks constantly on the road sucks any way you look at it.

At least it should be a competitive game. What was last years? New England – Tampa Bay?

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least the Bucs picked off Brady twice

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

It sure does

But the Broncos have to deal with the same problem (they’re in the West as well).

It should be a good game.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Both quarterbacks were inserted on pretty bad teams

If I remember right, Leinart lost eight games in a row as a starter his rookie year, but the point is, he did win the job over Warner his first season. He lost it the next year rotating with Warner and then was sent to IR and the rest is history. I think Smith was given more chances to take the reigns. SF never brought in a vet to challenge for the starting job. As much as Smith’s surrounding cast wasn’t any good, he should’ve done something more just as most rookie quarterbacks do on crappy teams.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

it was the O-Line though

I’m telling you, that is a cast you can’t overcome if it’s horrible. Kid was running for his life.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our O-line sucked too

even with Warner. The only reason he succeeded against pressure is because he could read a defense and the blitz and exploit it. This year our O-line is tailored to running the ball, we have a couple new starters who are maulers. I’d say the same for the niners as well. Iupati and Davis are definitely more run-oriented (at least at this point in their ‘careers’).

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Iupati is a scary dude

I absolutely love his style.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I liked

well, actually hated that pick, but do you think you reached at all for Davis? Not making any judgments at this point, just asking.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably a bit of a reach, I admit

But like you, tend to be optimistic about that pic.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

It seemed like you

could have stayed put at #13 and gotten him, what we’re the reports about why you moved up?

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

to make sure we got him

never know. could have been a team trying to move up to get him…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

what's more

it’s an indictment on how the team fell about Bulaga

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not that I blame

them, because I think while Bulaga is a safer pick, Davis has more upside, if Singletary can motivate him.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

makes sense

I heard Dallas liked him, hard to know what GB was thinking, other than Bulaga dropping that far had to be a surprise.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

He didn't

Cam Thomas and Geno Atkins did.

Dan Williams doesn’t destroy anyone, he holds the point of attack and has good lateral speed to bring down ball carriers.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Cam Thomas and Geno Atkins did

that’s even worse..

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

We like Cam Thomas

and are relatively disappointed we didn’t draft him over a few of the guys we got late in draft…

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but he’s nowhere near the NT Williams can be. Then again I don’t think he’s projected as a NT anyways so it’s kind of a different kind of monster.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I kind of used kind of too many times in that last statement… kind of.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thomas was a true NT

and did pretty well despite being at a weaker program at NC. We just wanted a later round guy that was a true NT prospect. We don’t have anyone behind Franklin that is really suited for the position. Mostly lighter guys suited for 4-3 DT or 3-4 DE.

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well that being the case

it sucks that the Chargers picked him up.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

tell me about it

in OTA’s we’ve been using guys who hardly even saw the field last year, and some PS guys…trying to find someone, anyone…heck Franklin could walk after 2010 if he isn’t spectacular and/or doesn’t take a reasonable extension (UFA in 2011)

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

the fact that good NT’s are hard to come by doesn’t help either. Hope that doesn’t become an issue for you guys like its been for us the past few years. Well, still might be depending on how Williams does.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

if the coaching staff were to get the axe

in the next few seasons, not that I think they will but F.O.‘s have done stranger things…I wouldn’t be surprised if they brought the 4-3 back. Team has struggled to find a good NT, LDE, and OLB’s who can pass rush. It’s getting better but still…

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

for the record though

I love the 3-4

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

but it is difficult to find players who fit into it, like you mentioned above. I seriously doubt you’ll let Franklin walk, there’s a reason that every viable 3-4 NT who could have been franchised last year was.

by Long Beach on May 18, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Different players dude

Thomas is more of an Aubrayo Franklin type of NT.
Williams doesn’t get penetration.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

No it's not

Iupati was at RG and both of those guys are penetrators that in no way shape or form resemble Dan Williams.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dallas had a 3rd round grade on Davis.

It’s one of the points constantly being made from their leaked draft board picture.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not to add to the 49'ers

fuel on this, but you can’t overlook the effect having the same OC this year will have on him, either. Even your GM, well, previous GM, admitted they wouldn’t have drafted him had they known the amount of turnover that was about to take place over the next four seasons.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

early reports from Josh Morgan (WR #2)

is that Smith is leading some practices himself, calling his own plays, giving instructions when needed to players on offense…all good signs that he grasps and is taking control of the offense.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Similar reports for Leinart

He’s been working with the receivers on his own a lot more and has been working on his technique with the Cardinals QB coach more.

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

There were a few close games they lost during that stretch in his rookie year.

And when they won a couple near the end of the year you could see some potential in Leinart to be good.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

No....

Smith was forced into the lineup in 2005 and struggled.
He drastically improved in 2006 and has been injured ever since.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Crazy

Smith never lost his starting job to Hill, Smith was injured for 2 seasons and Hill had won some games so they decided to go with Hill. Smith only started 10 games last year, had a new offense to learn (again) had a bad O-line and a often suspect running game, and a Rookie #1 WR. To lose 6 of your 8 games by 7 points or less with all that baggage is pretty amazing that they didn’t lose more. Now Smith has a second year in the same Offense, Crabtree is the man, a new O-line that can really block and one of the better running backs in the NFL. Gore is a proven Pro Bowl RB, Wells is promising but is unacomplished. You lose Warner and Boldin, and have Roades comming in to replace Rolle, Rolle being the better player.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

briefly read the end of this

Rolle is the better athlete, not the better player. Rolle sucked at safety. Too inconsistent at every facet of the position. Obvious conversion corner.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

His coverage wasn't that impressive.

He just had a knack for making plays. We already have one ridiculously legit play maker, we didn’t need two.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Hell of an athlete though

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

You don't need playmakers?

Ok…….

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Consistent playmakers, sure

Guys who take gambles, whiff tackles, get lost in coverage… He had some great games, he had some bad games, overall he was okay.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying you should have brought him back

He’s being grossly overpaid.

But he had his moments and I really don’t think much of Rhodes…

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're forgetting something

The 49ers are better than the Cardinals.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

i hate that

we beat the Cards twice and went 5-1 in the division. I hate that out of division games decide the division.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

In 2008

we went 6-0 in division and 3-7 out of it, and still clinched by week #13

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

you could go 6-0 in division and 2-8 out of it

and miss the division championship to a team that went 0-6 in the division and 9-1 out of it. Besides, it’s essentially saying that how you played against “similar” opponents decides who is the best in the division, regardless of who you beat in the division.

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 6:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you're that inept

then you’re not worthy of a division title anyways.

by Long Beach on May 18, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

haha +1

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with your point on similar opponents

but division teams all fall into that category automatically. There are only two games a season that aren’t the same teams. So ultimately the overall record is still the best and really the only valid indicator due to the way the NFL schedules opponents these days.

by hadrarius on May 18, 2010 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was last year

I think we can go position by position and the 49ers will win.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

right? same story new year

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

2008 49ers < 2009 49ers < 2010 49ers

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

<2012 49ers...

Just helping you finish your mathematical equation. The upside being that you keep showing improvement, the downside being you keep having to hear us brag about our consecutive division crowns.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your bragging will come to an end sometime around Week 10

:P

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

good thing the Cardinals colors are red

cause we’re going to beat them like red-headed step-children

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 6:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

GOLD

(and red)

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

But mostly RED

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 18, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

they had no choice

the opponents blood was always on the uniforms…the clothes laundering industry was really sucking back then too…

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha

not gonna lie that was funny lol

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm here all week

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Either that

or it was an unusually heavy flow that month.

by Long Beach on May 18, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

yeah this is definitely a rivalry lol

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

or

we played the Cards and knocked the Red off them…and it ended up on us…

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

trying to paint

yourselves in our image – understandable.

by Long Beach on May 18, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

What? Don't you have something called China town?

Thought those chinese laundries were famously good.

by hadrarius on May 18, 2010 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look, the Cards eeked out

9 wins in 2008 and 10 wins in 2009. So even without the loss of Warner, Boldin, Rolle, Dansby etc. the Cards were barely a 10 win team. We swept you last year, and by all accounts the 49ers have improved while the Cardinals have undoubtedly regressed, if only because of Warner’s absence. There’re absolutely no signs pointing toward a Cardinal sweep of the Niners, let alone the Cards winning more than 6-7 games.

Take it from me, losing a great QB can throw a franchise into a tailspin, and I think come week 9 or 10 you Card fans will be forced to realize that your team is not what it was with Warner. If you get really lucky and you find a good replacement, it will still take a year or two before you’re back to winning.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Weren't the 49ers "improved" in 2008 when the Cardinals swept them?

It’s easy to say the Cardinals eeked out wins. Most teams “eek” out wins all season long. The Saints won 13 games and still eeked out some games. So did the Colts. I don’t see the point margin as a sign of a teams weaknesses. If they are mentally strong enough to win a close game then they are a good team. The 49ers were not mentally strong enough to win enough close games. I have a hard time believing that Alex Smith suddenly became the franchise quarterback that was drafted 5 years ago. He won some games last year with a very good defense that backed him up.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

he played well though

most people don’t realize he put up pretty good statistics last year. Better than more than a few QB’s who are multi-year starters.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Most niners fans forget

that he put up good numbers when they switched to a spread offense which was only because their offense sucked so bad they were desperate for something. When you guys go back to a normal running offense Smith will struggle greatly once more.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

the shotgun (not spread) look

was what Smith knew. Urban Meyer said it himself, when Alex doesn’t know the offense inside and out (which he wouldn’t because of the new systems and coaches every year) he will not perform. They put him in a position to succeed. He’s had plenty of time now to get used to snaps under center, play action, etc. Near the end of 2009 the offense was much more balanced and Smith seemed to be doing fine (granted it was against some lower level competition at times.)

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ok, he hasn't had the same OC

But hasn’t he been practicing taking snaps under center from the beginning of his career? Practicing drop backs? Or did he just start, last season?
When Smith did well it seemed the run game struggled.

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by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

hasn't got a lot of first team rep

nor a lot of game time under center in the new offense. When you give a spread guy a shotgun to look around pre-snap, he feels more comfortable. Alex’ biggest issue is adjusting to being a QB who does more than take a shotgun snap and hit his reads. When he has to turn around, make a play-fake, etc. he’s not used to having only a second or two to make the read, with blind rushers, etc.

He certainly has to improve on that, but I think he already has and will.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

As the story goes

One of the issues of having a new OC every year is that the offseason is spent learning the new offense. Thus no time to work on the basics. Finally, this year, they don’t have to worry about relearning all the terminology, playbook, etc. I think the joke was, they came in and didn’t have to learn how to huddle up for the first time in 6 years. So the hope is that the QB coach can work on his mechanics, including drop backs, more so than in past years.

by Sebaz49 on May 17, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

and play action

if we run like we should this year PA is going to be crucial for passing.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a spread offense.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

This

It became much more balanced as the year went on.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

He threw most of his TDs from under center

The notion that Smith is only effective out of the shotgun is false.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's my biggest concern

more than losing Warner, because it also isn’t widely known that kind of progress Leinart has been quietly making, is how I project Smith to play this season. As you obviously know, this will the first time he’s ever had the same OC two seasons in a row, and the effect that will likely have on him does worry me a bit.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s a good point, but I’m not meaning point margins within a game. I was just saying 9 and 10 win seasons aren’t exactly what powerhouse teams usually do. Eeked in a sense that the Cards were close to not making the playoffs and didn’t exactly steamroll their way in ala 13, 14 wins like many other teams routinely do.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

13-14

Wins is routine for who? Indy?

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by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes

I mean each year there are teams that put up 13-14 wins.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

But not many...

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

eeked out?

We had the division wrapped up by week #13 in 2008 so while it was disappointing to see us limp down the home stretch, the win total was misleading since we didn’t have a meaningful game the last 3-4 weeks of the season.

A 10-win season, considering we were supposed to struggle with the Super Bowl “curse”, the loss of our OC and DC, and a starting DE, and two unexpected losses in division, was pretty solid.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

2008, when you went 9-7 but went what 3-7 outside the division or whatever, that’s pretty concerning. You certainly caught fire in the playoffs, and I’m sure that was a magical time for Card fans, but by no means were the Cards a great team that year, or in 2009. So my point being, if the Cards were a 13 or 14 win team with Warner, then maybe his loss wouldn’t be so poignant and you might only drop to a 9 or 10 win team under his replacement.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Again

with our conversion to the 3-4 last year and our league worst running game in 2008, there was no way, even with Warner (or Unitas, or Montana) that anyone was going to win 13-14 games in those seasons. With improvements in those areas, even without Warner, yes, we’ll win 9-10 games again this year.

Another inside tip, while I expect Smith to be improved this season, don’t be so quick to dismiss how well Leinart may play this year. He’s been in this offense for the past three seasons, has made considerable strides in ironing out his mechanical flaws, and has shown tremendous improvement in his maturity and professionalism.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

most of us aren't trashing Leinart

as much as we’re just saying he’s a big dropoff from Warner

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I get that

just trying to let you know that he may not be as big of a dropoff as it might appear from the outside looking in.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

That sounds super naive though.

That’s our point. How the heck can you even think the dropoff won’t be large? Do you not realize how great a QB Warner was? You don’t replace a Kurt Warner.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

We're very aware

of how good Warner was, thanks.

You don’t seem to be hearing what we’re saying. Our overall team, admittedly, was pretty weak for a team that accomplished what they did over the past two seasons. Many of those holes have been improved/filled. Leinart won’t have to carry the team on his back the way Warner oftentimes had to.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because of the system

with Warner we were pass first run second. The role will be reversed with Leinart. Even though we will be running the ball more there will still be a dropoff because, you’re right, you don’t replace a Kurt Warner. Trust us, we realize how great a QB Warner was, even moreso than you do. Leinart won’t be asked to be the Hercules that Warner was and carry the team by himself. In fact our success relies on how well the other players can do and take the pressure off of Leinart.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a Niner fan

I am well aware of how awesome Warner was throughout his career, I remember in 1999 the Niners went to St. Louis, I figured it was the same ol’ sorry ass Rams, well Warner ripped us up that day, and has been a force ever since. He was maybe even better with Arizona that with St. Louis at times so I appreciate how good of a QB he is. Trust me, you will miss him. More than you realize.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Again, we know

we’re trying to be optimistic man and you’re killing it lol.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

Sorry man, maybe Leinart will be your Steve Young. It’s certainly possible! I’ve been optimistic with the Niners for 8 years and it hasn’t gotten me anywhere, I prefer to be realistic. Niners are going 16-0 this year, btw.

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

very realistic

So does that mean the NFL sees two teams go 16-0 in a season for the first time in history?

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

which will quite a feat

considering we’ll get our payback by going 2-0 vs them this year.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

Considering what you’re implying is impossible, maybe 14-0-2??

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

Considering what you’re implying is impossible, maybe 14-0-2??

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aw you caught me

Okay. Each team goes 15-1. We can split right ? haha

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure what holes you guys really filled

You lost some pretty amazing talent that has not been filled with better players.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alan Faneca was a huge upgrade for them. Porter “kind of” replaces Dansby, but not really. Dansby was pretty overrated though. They replaced Rolle with Rhodes, which… eh, you know. Didn’t address QB and didn’t replace Boldin so Breaston HAS to do well (I think he’ll be OK)

So they didn’t technically replace anyone really, but they did add good to great players after losing good to great players. They handled it a lot better than most teams.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn't Breaston injury prone?

I think Roberts will replace Boldin.

The only additions you guys made that genuinely concern me were the Dan Williams and Andre Roberts selections.

But WRs and DTs generally take a long time to develop….so we’ll be alright.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

he’s dressed for all but one game in his three seasons, you might be thinking of Boldin.

Not concerned about Porter coming off the edge? Faneca to the OL? Washington projects pretty well at ILB.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Porter

Porter Vs R-Tackle could be an issue, but VD had Porter’s number when we played Miami 2 years ago, and Porter hasn’t gotten any younger.

He’s a vet so vs a rook R-tackle or worse Snyder I’m more concerned.

Faneca will hold his spot well, but I don’t think he’s the pulling beast he once was. I just don’ see him getting to the 2nd level much anymore, against the 9ers you HAVE to get to our linebackers to run the ball. We played the jets in 08 and they couldn’t run on us with T. Jones.

I don’t know Washington, so I cant make any comment on him.

by Dave R. on May 17, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or Doucet?

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he's overrated.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Think what you want

Freedom of thought to be right or wrong. Probably wrong.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hasn't had enough play time to really determine how good he is.

But he did come on strong at the end of last season when he got his shot. He played with serious intensity and got people excited about what he can deliver. Still have to see ultimately but I haven’t seen anything to complain about yet except his propensity to lose his helmet.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which is why I said overrated

Dude hasn’t shown enough yet and people are crowning him as the next Anquan Boldin.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

He plays like Boldin.

Same fire. Same smash mouth attitude when he gets the ball. Same routes. The question does remain; will he produce like Boldin?

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some have already answered that question

With a resounding YES.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was replying to the statement about Boobs being injury prone.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh

Breaston is a very good WR.
I wasn’t questioning his skills.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was just checking to see if you meant Doucet since he was banged up most of the time he was here.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 18, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I did mean Doucet

People think he’ll be as good (better?) than Boldin because he did pretty good in the playoffs.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think he will be better than Boldin

But he will do a good job filling the role, and Doucet is faster than Boldin too so that will help.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 19, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Porter?

In 2008 he was a non-factor as VD and Joe Staley handled him all afternoon.
Eventually Mike Martz had a brain fart and put Bary Sims on him which allowed Porter to get his only sack of the game.

No addition you make to your running game will scare any 49er fan because our run-defense is elite.

I still believe that Roberts will be an amazing WR.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Roberts came as a bit of a surprise.

Had people head scratching until we looked him over. I don’t think you’ll find too many complaints in the WR dept around here. Looks like he’s going to continue a trend.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Head scratching?

Man you guys got a major steal with this kid.

I think he’ll be starting by his 3rd year.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't know him. Weren't expecting a WR at that point.

So much to do on defense in the draft. He came from a small school too. Citadel doesn’t exactly get major coverage. I didn’t spend much time looking over receiver prospects because I think they’ve got a pretty good trio without Roberts. Like I said though, once you look into the guy you see how great a pick he could turn out to be.

by hadrarius on May 18, 2010 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like who?

Dansby – overrated (and not saying it just cause he’s no longer on the team, always had these opinions, if they were better they wouldn’t have been on the worst playoff defense in history). Drafted an eventual replacement with similar qualities, hopefully more of a pure ILB in the Willis mold, doubt it but hopefully..
Rolle – overrated, see above response to one of your comments. Rhodes is better at safety.
Warner – impossible to replace unless we trade for Manning or Brady. The system (much like your qb’s situation) will now be tailored to Matty and if he doesn’t succeed then yes we have a flop on our hands, just like Smith and this year for him being huge.
As far as I’m concerned our FO did everything possible in a relatively thin FA class to address our needs.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, but I don't think Rhodes is clearly better than Rolle.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

As a safety I believe he is

Rolle made some incredible plays that had people drooling and overlooking the fact that he often whiffed on important tackles and blew coverage i.e. when the Pack almost connected with Jennings and beat us in overtime. As a pure safety, Rhodes is better.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe..

…it’s hard to compare, they basically play two different positions, you know? It’s just hard to say “clear upgrade” when one player fit in your system so well (Rolle). They did well by getting him, but I’m hesitant to call that specific move an upgrade just yet, respectfully.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

True and until we see them in game situations

we won’t see if any players are a better fit or have improved i.e. our quarterback situations. But so far the reports are that he and Wilson are really meshing well. But like you said, we’ll see.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rolle caused a lot of frustration.

He was inconsistant. He could make big plays but easily gave them up too. Rhodes should adequately replace him without the ridiculous price tag.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rolle was overrated

He improved greatly moving from corner to safety but let’s not forget how many big passes he allowed. He was a 1 time pro bowl alternate, Kerry Rhodes is a 3 time alternate.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I suppose.

It’s just not one that I’ll pay much attention to (read as: worry about, consider an upgrade) until the week before we play, when we need to gameplan for specific aspects of Rhodes’ play.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

To add to what's been said

as a niner fan you should know how bad our 3-4 run “D” could look at times in it’s first full year of existence, getting Dan Williams in round 1, in theory, should be a major upgrade at NT.

Porter is much better than Chike Okeafor at OLB, which is basically who he replaces (although he’ll play on the weakside).

Rhodes and Rolle, pretty much a wash. Fortunate for us he was available.

Our D didn’t have the greatest 3-4 personnel last season, it looks considerably better now. If Washington steps in and plays the way he’s projected to, even the loss of Dansby will be offset. Our OL keeps getting better (addition of Faneca, another year of development for guys like Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson, continued improvement from the younger starters, etc.).

The holes we’re filling aren’t necessarily the ones of the big names who left. It’s the areas where nobody wanted who we had available. Dansby and Rolle were good, but not irreplaceable, especially in this scheme.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

You guys seriously lucked out with Rolle/Rhodes

Just that they’re comparable in skillset was nothing short or remarkable that you were able to get him. Porter is one way or the other. Dan Williams was easily your guys’ best pick.

Like I said, you guys didn’t assure that you’ve kept enough pieces in place to continue winning, but you handled it much better than most teams.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Obviously

there are concerns, and there was a considerable amount of crying that was going on, even at ROTB, when we traded Boldin and lost Dansby and Rolle all in the same day. However, like Singletary, Whisenhunt very much has a long-term goal in place about how he wants this team to look. Until that happens, he’s flexible enough to coach around the talent he’s given. Not to knock Warner at all, because nobody here will ever forget that he got us to a Super Bowl, but it wasn’t until the Whiz arrived and corrected his ball security that he became the Warner everyone saw in STL.

Having Whisenhunt on our sideline will keep us competitive for a long time to come.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree, Whiz is the most important piece

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

?

Really?
Wow….

Really?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

What do you have to disagree with?

Takes a perennial loser and turns them into 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, a super bowl run, two conference championships, resurrected Kurts career, and despite our loses we are still competitive.
Not much you can argue against.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

He didn't resurrect Kurt Warner's career

A domed stadium, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald resurrected Kurt Warner’s career.

He’s a great coach, don’t get me wrong.
But to say he’s the best coach in the conference?

Sean Peyton just won a superbowl, you know?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Division.

Conference, okay, definitely not. Top 5 in the conference, best in the division. My mistake.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you said conference

No doubt he’s the best in the division.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

He did

resurrect Warner’s career, the problems Warner had with ball security was still an issue for him before the Whiz arrived. He was putting up good numbers, yes, but they were offset by the turnovers. He also opened up the competition to give him a shot at starting again. It seems hard to believe now, but I still remember the interview Warner had when he was asked about possibly moving to a team he could start for if he didn’t beat Leinart out in 2008.

Not to say that everything you mentioned didn’t help, but it was Whisenhunt who coached the offense to Warner’s strengths when many coaches would have stubbornly insisted on instilling the run game he’s currently upgrading.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whiz had to allow Warner to play

But I still feel that the situation that Warner was in (Dome, Fitz, Q) was what allowed him to thrive.

Not his coach.

He was already a great QB.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

The talent around Warner was serendipitous.

He had all the weapons. The dome worked in his favor. I have to agree with you. On balance though it took Whisenhunt to be wise enough to give him his head. The “everyone earns the position” method paid off and continues to pay off for the Cardinals.

by hadrarius on May 18, 2010 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Right

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you can say Whiz didn't have any part in it.

Denny Green gave Warner a chance and Warned didn’t play well at all. I think Whiz’s playbook went well with what Warner was good at, so in essence Whiz did play a part in him making a comeback.

by Pyromnc on May 18, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 18, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whiz

knows how to focus on his players strength and get the most out of him. It’ll be a real piece of work and a tribute to him if he can do the same thing this season with Leinart.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

True

and at this point isn’t that pretty much expected? At least by us Cardinals fans.

by hadrarius on May 18, 2010 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Denny Green was a terrible coach though

All around terrible.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

No arguments from me about that.

by Long Beach on May 18, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great at drafting people though.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 19, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I said coach, not GM

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 19, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

In addition to that

the situation between Leinart and Smith is almost uncanny. Now both of these qb’s will have a full offseason (and in Smith’s case longer than that) to have the offenses tailored to them. Should be interesting this year.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep

at minimum the playing field has been leveled.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

QB rivalry between Smith and Leinart?

That should be interesting.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe this will be the new

 Brady v. Manning rivalry. How sick would that be??

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definitely would make the games even more intense.

I keep remembering Phillip Rivers and Jay Cutler talking smack to each other a couple years ago.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smith is never going to talk smack

He’ll probably give Leinart a fruit basket or something.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

He'll just draw the Card defenders off-sides

4 or 5 times in each game

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Then Dockett will pick him off.

If the shower escapades don’t get him suspended that is…

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

And fumble promptly

When VD knocks him on his butt.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rrrrrright.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Then A-Dub picks off Smith

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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 18, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

Frank Gore picks up the fumble and runs it into the endzone for a TD.

Cards ball now.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I already talked to A.Davis and Iupati

they know when we play the Cards their mission is to find and pancake Dockett.

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 6:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

One problem taken care of.

Now you just got to worry about A-Dub, Campbell, and Porter.

by Pyromnc on May 18, 2010 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Campbell?

Seriously?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very serious

Had 7 sacks in his first starting season as a DE in a 3-4. We need Williams to be a dominant NT to make up for what we don’t have there, but I’ll put our DE’s up against anyone’s.

by Long Beach on May 18, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Campbell was on Sirius this afternoon

Sounds like a good guy. They made a point that his sack total had a lot of half sacks, not really representing how much he was getting to the QB and then a bit slow to close the deal.

He’s a player to watch out for on the Card’s line.

by Dave R. on May 19, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hell yeah, Campbell.

He’s going to wreck people, especially if Williams pans out. He’s a guy to keep an eye on.

by hadrarius on May 19, 2010 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rookies

against a 7 year vet in his prime? In a possible contract extension year? Niner’s fans seem to really buy in to their rookies before they even hit the field. Then again when your current starters suck that bad I guess you have to.
I doubt they will ‘pancake’ Dockett, they’re in for a hell of a ‘welcome to the NFL’.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, prob. not in 2010 at least

but Iupati is a beast. I could see him giving Docket a run for his money.

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but Dockett is playing a lot from the DE position lately. He’s kind of only a defensive tackle by label, most of the time.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

is he LDE or RDE?

you guys use him at DE in the 3-4 right?

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

he switches between the two depending on matchups but i’d say mostly RE. Don’t get me wrong he does line up at DT on occasion.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

you mean in Nickel (DT)?

I don’t know much about DD, is he a 3-down player?

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definitely a 3 down player

Yeah in nickel situations with 4 down lineman he really is pretty versatile. I believe he’s very underrated and one of the best D-lineman in the NFL. He has a tenacity and love for the game. Plus he’s shut up about his contract ‘issue’ and become a leader on the team. Great player.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

what's Leinart's un-fond nickname?

Smith’s is “The Goat” cause he looks like a Goat.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well most will bring up the hot tub issue from a few years back

There’s a resident Leinart-hater among most Arizona Sports websites(he’s not welcome at ROTB for the most part) by the name of hardhat. I’m sure he has some names for Leinart. But most of us call him Matty. Maybe Hot tub Matty?

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hot Tub Matty VS. The Goat

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Goats have a wicked kick on them

but Hot Tubs can give you wicked diseases…tough matchup

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is it a hot tub time machine?

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What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice

it will be soon enough

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds

by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hard Hat usually just uses Matty Boi

and The Fragile One.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nick Lachey hot tub offense

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Another thing Long Beach was saying

Was that in 08, the division was wrapped up far before the season ended and the Cardinals stopped trying before the playoffs. Had they played hard that year, they could’ve finished with a 10 or 11 win season

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look at the Giants game

They were worn out after that, then to Philly on Thursday Night for the next game, and the Patriots in the Snow. Part of that slump was from being worn out in my opinion.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

No excuses

The Cardinals folded. Dominating teams don’t take games off. After the SB run I don’t think we’ll see that kind of prolonged let down. The mind set has changed now. Big Time.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a question

Are 49er fans not worried about Beanie Wells? The guy is a beast and if you couldn’t see that last year then something is wrong. He has devastating power and speed and if he can get ahold of those fumbles, he’ll be one of the top backs in the league. With a full season under his belt, he’s going to be even more dominant this year IMO. I remember some 49er fans being more worried about Wells then Hightower last year but most of you seem to brush off Wells’ talent.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:03 PM MDT reply actions  

They're likely

to remember his less than dazzling game #2 against them last year, but I fully agree with you, his familiarty with our offense and the league, coming into his second season, will be huge. I think he’ll have a monster year in 2010.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Another team might.

The 49ers aren’t. We’d prefer that another division rival didn’t get a great running back, but stopping the run has been a breeze for us. In the first game last year Tim Hightower tore us up on a few passes, but he didn’t carve us up with running. Wells started to come on very strong, I don’t think he’s going to be an immediate starter for you guys, mind you, but he’ll get more and more time..

But I’m rambling. My point is, last year, when Adrian Peterson came up on the schedule, we didn’t flinch. We won’t flinch for Wells either, but we do understand his strengths, that I assure you.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

SF was 6th in rushing yards allowed. Peterson rushed for 85 and no TD’s on us. Wells rushed for 79 in the second game, no TD’s, 1 fumble lost. Steven Jackson, 63yds, no TD’s…we do pretty well against even the league’s best.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

but Wells had a very memorable TD in game 2, one of the very few offensive highlights we had all game.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure

But he’s a rookie we didn’t know much about. Next year he’ll be just another running back we have tape on and can stop. We respect his talent, we really do, but we’re not going to stress over him.

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember Wells trucking a 49er in week 1

Hate to rub it in but that memory just crossed my mind.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rub it in all you like.

Trash talk is good for the game, just when Willis gives Bells a 29 million dollar shoulder check and puts him right back on that injured list… :]

And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.

by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

i lol'd

and if Mays get’s in the game…you know he’s head-huntin

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mays should be in by the time we play the Cards.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mays will be in from day 1

Just not as the starter. Mays will be looking for some big hits, but he will be looking for some big picks too. Leinart has a way of putting it up there.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know.

I meant as the starter.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fully respect your opinions

but I’ve got disagree with your excitement about Mays. Another poorly coached player out of USC, I see him struggling for awhile at the next level, at least until Singletary or your secondary coach can "de"Carroll him.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Reply fail?

I didn’t really say much about Mays. That being said, I think being overly-excited about Mays is stupid, but I also think writing him off so easily is also stupid (not calling you stupid, I assure you).

The thing is, he obviously, as you know, wasn’t asked to cover. He was asked like… twice. What he was asked to do, he did it almost flawlessly. You know? So what’s to say that if he was coached and asked to cover he couldn’t pick it up with the ease that he’s picked everything else up?

At the very least, Mays will play as good or better than the 49th pick of the draft.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought this reply

went to Tre9er, but either way you were both talking about him “head-hunting,” by next season, which is about all he’ll bring in season one.

The reason he lasted until round 2 is his cover skills are very weak, he’s got tremendous athletic ability, in terms of being big and fast, but his attempts at being a ball-hawking free safety last season were very mediocre. Doesn’t move well side-to-side, can easily be beaten in coverage if isolated (think Roy Williams).

I don’t see him playing as well as any of your other draft picks, not right away, anyways. Mike Iupati will probably make the most immediate impact.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd correct your second paragraph to start out

“The reason he lasted until round 2 is he doesn’t have a lot of tape showing him in coverage…”

He didn’t cover, wasn’t supposed to much at all. He’s a relative unknown in that regard except we all know he’s athletic as heck. I think we have great coaching and will transition him from box safety at first to a more rounded safety by year 2 or 3

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

He will start

I think he will make some big rookie mistakes relying on his athleticism but also make some big hits/plays because of his athleticism. I see him as a future Roy Williams, ehh in coverage, ferocious in the box and as an occasional rusher. I say he starts because hes a younger, faster Roman.
So basically, I hope he is a bust lol

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by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

he will

no doubt, make rookie mistakes. Goldson wasn’t even solid early on last year and it was his 3rd season (first starting though). Mays is too fast to not learn how to cover adequately. At the very least he should be turned into a great zone safety so he can get picks and be a safety valve with his speed. I don’t think anyone expects his man-cover skills to ever be great.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

second half of the season, yes

early on though, he was flying around like an unguided missile

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Against us he was a monster though,

both games if I recall correctly

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well the MNF especially

but yeah he had a good season opener too

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by smileyman on May 17, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

def. the MNF game

forced two or three fumbles in that game alone plus the INT?

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

And the broken up pass on Fitz

He took the ball out of Larry’s hands….

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brooks was a monster too

3 sacks, 1 TFL, 2 QB Hits, 2 FF

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 6:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

all around

beautiful game for the Defense

by Curry30Warrior on May 18, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Again, not to start a war because

you seem to follow your players pretty close, but living here in SoCal the link below outlines the problems he had last year

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/news/story?id=5131914

Like I said, let the “De-Carrollization” begin. As a sidenote, he also didn’t look good in position drills at the combine.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Michael Lewis Replacement

If he just replaces Michael Lewis eventually we’ll be fine. He’s bigger and faster than Lewis so the position will be upgraded somewhat if Mays can handle the physicality of the position as well as learn the position as well as Lewis knows it.

I don’t see Mays starting right away, but I think he will be worked in over time and will likely be playing at least some by the time we play the cards.

So far in ota’s he’s been doing well breaking up passes, so he’s VERY coach-able, so now we see what he can do.

by Dave R. on May 17, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

From everything I've heard

about him, he’s a great kid so the coachability isn’t a surprise. SF sounds like a much better fit for him than what Carroll tried to do with him, but it could take a little while to shake out, I’m sure he looks like an All-Pro compared to Lewis.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lewis has been great.

I’m not sure what that last sentence means..

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was stupid on my part

I had Keith Lewis in my mind, not Michael. My apologies.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh God, that's a pretty bad mix-up.

Keith Lewis hurt my soul, haha.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't worry Lewis didn't work out here either

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's all about the system.

Currently, Lewis is our starter, and we don’t ask much of him in coverage. Mays will be virtually a seamless transition with much more upside.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe Mays can become a quality starter

But 31 other teams passed on him including his former college head coach. That cannot be a good sign.

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

you could say the same thing about any 2nd rounder

saying maybe he can be a quality starter but the fact he fell into the 49th spot isn’t a good sign?

Maybe you worded that wrong. Guys have fallen in the draft before and turned out to be stars.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not after

practically being guaranteed from their college coach that he would draft them, then going with someone else at the same position. I think he has a higher future flop probability but if he can put it together he can become a monster.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

recruiting and lying

are virtually related for some coaches. You think he was gonna say “Taylor, this is going to hurt your draft stock, and you’ll have limited coverage experience by the time it rolls around…heck I wouldn’t even draft you because all you’ll know how to do is hit…but do it anyways…for the good of USC and me.”

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes

not in those exact words but I’m sure he made Mays very aware he fit a particular role. And if Mays didn’t figure that out on his own regardless he truly is dumb and will have a more difficult time panning out in the NFL. I hope he does though, I think he fits in the mold of A-Dub and if he can work on his coverage and become at least average in that department he may become a dominant safety for quite some time.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

I’ll leave the Mays debate at this, he’s a phenomenal athlete who could turn into a great football player, his chances of doing that are much better with Singletary than Carroll.

Definitely worth taking in round 2, but I’m still thinking it may take more time to re-coach him than what you’re predicting.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's just it

Our SS position is not a coverage one. It would be a bonus if he can cover, but all we need is a younger Michael Lewis, whose basically a LB.

I do suspect Mays can be more, but how much is a bit of a mystery, Sing will get something out of him no doubt.

by Dave R. on May 17, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

he will learn and know everything either safety does on any given play…that’s how our scheme works. Then the player, not the position, is called to drop into the box or deep or whatever the defense calls for.

Initially, because of his skills, he’ll be in the box more with the hope that he can work on his coverage and eventually have mirror Safeties (unless Goldson walks after 2010 in which case it’s anybody’s guess…maybe Reggie Smith steps in)

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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 6:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wells

from memory (which admittedly isn’t what it used to be) I seem to remember him struggling with some injuries early on then the fumbilitis. Yes, he’s strong, punishing runner with a lot of talent. However, the 49ers are always confident in one thing first and foremost (in recent years)…our run defense. We hardly ever allow 100 yard rushers and often stifle even the game’s best running backs. Chris Johnson was one of the only guys to embarrass us last year, our edge contain was horrible in that game.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was OK with Johnson

After Willis caught him up from behind with no angle.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember Willis chasing him and forcing Johnson to barely step out of bounds

Otherwise he would’ve been gone.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

James point was

the sheer speed of Willis.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

…he still burnt us, no doubt, but during that game I was pretty pumped how Willis caught him, and there was one point where Manny Lawson showed some great speed, still used an angle, but blew him up good and I was proud of our speed.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

You guys def have a great run D

It’s going to be a challenge to rush against them.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Especially because you guys are transitioning.

You can work on it all offseason, but the running game won’t be fantastic week one, there’s no way to get it “right” when you’ve been a passing team for a few years until you do it in game. Though I suppose you would have it down by the time you play the 49ers.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was Michael Lewis

Not Willis

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

He had four fumbles last season

And injuries in training camp, but they didn’t effect him during the regular season. We all hope he can keep a hand on the ball in 2010

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

again, I went off memory

and I follow the Niners so hard that I can’t find time to keep up with much else consciously though I do follow the national sports media and some of Sando’s NFCW stuff.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Feel free to stop at ROTB time to time

But injuries were a concern with Wells coming out of college.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

thus far you guys have been class acts over here. better than the chickens anyways…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

True that.

Field Gulls is good in its own way, you have to really look but it’s a well-managed blog, but ROTB has been really great, and TST isn’t bad either.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wells

I know this guy’s a potential beast. I considered drafting him in Fantasy last year, but then I realized he has to see P-52 twice a year so i reconsidered. Ended up with some guy named Ray Rice in the 5th round. =D

by mr. instigator on May 17, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

That guy is going to be good for a long time.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I got Ray Rice in the 6th

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wells+Faneca

I wouldn’t say we brush off Wells or Hightower, but we have major confidence in our run stopping game with Takeo and Pat. Wells is almost as hard to take down as Michael Turner with his tree trunk legs and torso. Good thing 52 can take anyone down.

by Amigo on May 17, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aren't you guys worried about Patrick Willis?

Beanie still needs to prove himself. The 49ers have one of the best run deffenses in the NFL. More worried about Warner than Wells. Warner gone, now just worried about W…..arner.

by ericalancanty on May 17, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

How much do you worry

about the best ILB in the league? He’s a great player, will make a ton of plays. The only thing you can do is to improve on the OL and get a Guard past Franklin and on Willis. Easier said than done, hence your strong run “D”.

But worry? No, not when you’ve seen it that often. Worry comes from areas that needed improvement, and may have been (i.e. – Smith, pass protection, better coaching, etc.)

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

but do you worry

about the chinstraps not being strong enough to keep helmets on from the bone crushing hits P-52 deliveers?

;-)

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly I can't remember Willis blowing up any Cardinals

Not saying he doesn’t deliver big hits just can’t recall a Cards-Niners game I was watching and said ‘oooo’ to a Willis hit. He does rack up tackles against us though that’s for sure.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

this video

is a good example of P-52, Bam Bam…hits everything.

http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/Best-of-Patrick-Willis-Highlight-Video/2c0e39b2-2957-4686-ab0f-f59b32d539e2

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again no big hits on Cardinals

but he penetrates the line better than any other MLB IMO. He made Maroney look like a rag doll and that Jets receiver at the end, I think stuckey?, ouch! I’m jealous

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brad Smith

also see him going through the FB to tackle Stephen Jackson in the Rams footage. The strip hit on Stephens-Howling was kinda brutal although it wasn’t a collision.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah good way to put it

I was looking for the bone crushing collision I know he’s capable of. IMO he’s the best MLB in the league. You guys are real fortunate to have him (and very smart for drafting him).

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

How many teams passed on Willis in the draft?

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

10

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bamm Bamm

He really doesn’t have a huge number of big hits. I kinda think of his tackling style like a crocodile, gets a hold of you and death rolls your ass.

by Dave R. on May 17, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

he does do that

he doesn’t let go, it’s a death grip. Even when he get’s jersey he usually drags the guy down immediately.

The Brad Smith, the Hasselbeck hit, there have been a few devastating ones.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

he's a badass

but if we’re talking keeping your chinstraps on you may want to reinforce yours for Adrian Wilson.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still want he and Vernon Davis to meet in the open field

when both are facing each other. No matter what happens it should be EPIC

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Adubbs a powerhouse.

I’ve had the chance to meet him in person a couple times. What you see in person does no justice. 0% body fat.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not to compete

but that’s why it’s a great matchup. Vernon is like 0% body fat too. He’s a gym freak

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gigantic man

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I met him in person

at the airport in New York when he was flying back to AZ with his wife. Absolutely ripped. Davis is too if you’ve seen his pics while endorsing EAS i think it is.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

pwnd

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rrrrrright

LOL, pwned? I’ll take AW any day over Davis. Future HoF. Davis still has to prove himself.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Future HoF?

Eh.. that’s a very, very huge stretch right now.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huuuuuuge stretch

I think if anything its a stretch of the imagination. How many Cards are there in the HOF anyway? 2? 3? Maybe we should give them A-dubb.

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by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cards have ten players in the hall and...

Four coaches and one owner in there as well.

by Pyromnc on May 18, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

HOF?

Dude, put the kool-aid down.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone spiked his kool-aid with sum thunda'bird.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Woa hold on a second there

and Non-Niner fans mock us for thinking P-52 is a lock for the Hall

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

A-Dub is one of the few people in the 20-20 club.

I’d say that is part of why we would call him a Future Hall of Famer.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s pretty much a knock-off version of Steve Atwater. I mean, I could buy Nike’s or Pro-Wings… Nike’s are HOF material… as to where Pro Wings are gone and forgotten about 2 to 3 months after their in the trash…

Umm, anyway….

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't take away from a great player

Regardless of whether people believe he’s hall of fame worthy or not. If you want to get technical he has more than double the career sacks Ronnie Lott did and he’s in the Hall.
There are great players that excel in different aspects of the game. I truly believe had Adrian Wilson actually been on a great team (at least decent team most of the time) like Ronnie Lott was, then his numbers would be even better and would command more respect from people who seem to think they’re on the Hall of Fame committee.
Not comparing Lott and Wilson (Lott is in the Hall as a S/CB whereas Wilson is a pure S) just saying great players deserve respect. Especially one that has been so loyal to an utterly terrible organization for the majority of his career. That’s more than what most of us can say we would do.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not a chance?

Except for the last 2 times that he nearly took Davis’ head off right? Clean hits too what a piece of work.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 19, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

VD still scores TDs on him.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 19, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

A little late but

scoring TDs has nothing to do with big hits. I was addressing the “bigger, stronger, and bigger not a chance” comment. VD scores TDs of course. This past season he had a real knack for the endzone, I have a feeling that’s gonna keep happening for another decade or so too.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 22, 2010 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just another reason I can't wait for the 2010 season

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even if you get a G past Franklin

TKO will knock him out.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please

he’s a great player but the only ILB I ever saw who consistently won a straight ahead match-up with an unblocked guard was Seau. Take Franklin away and you’ll see Willis go from All-world to above average, ala Ray Lewis when his giants left, pretty quickly.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was exaggerating

But TKO is very good at occupying blockers to free up P-52

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

My mistake

Not following your nicknames very well. TKO being Spikes, P-52 is Willis. I thought you were saying that Willis would knock the Guard out, sometimes it takes a little while for the light to come on.

Yes, I’m sure TKO does an excellent job of occupying the strong-side Guard so P-52 can do his thing. However, if you can get the weakside Guard past Franklin and on Willis you’ve got something going. But Franklin is a bitch of a match-up.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the misunderstanding

Yeah the weakside Guard could get to Willis.
But he’d have to go through Franklin and Smith…..

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Im hoping that works with us and Dan Williams

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eventually it will

Dan Williams was great at holding the point.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we're going to be successful

it needs to work. Having said that, Williams looks the part of 3-4 NT more than any college 4-3 DT that I can ever recall seeing.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure we all worry about Willis

He is a beast. Thats why the best way to avoid him is to…avoid him. Design plays to get Willis away from the ball carrier.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Worry?

Fear. P-52 is one of my favorite athletes. Whattafreak.

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

I never thought much of him when he was at Ohio State.

If the 49ers can stop MJD, S-Jax, and AD they can handle Beanie Wells

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

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by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Leinart vs Alex Smith

You know, I try and be as neutral as I can. But I really want to know if most Cardinals fans think Leinart is better or that he should rightfully be considered better than Alex Smith. I just mean, when you look at it, who do you think “should” be better off based on the performance we’ve seen so far and not really “potential.”

Because Smith’s year last year was pretty good, with almost no time to throw, he still made a lot happen. I just feel like, while Leinart hasn’t gotten every chance he needs to succeed, neither has Smith, but in their limited capacities, Smith has shown more and I feel, for once, with a new o-line, same coordinator, clear receiving threats, that Smith can be the quarterback we drafted him to be. How does Leinart stack up based on past performances, how can he make you guys feel good about him?

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

To answer your

second question first, he can make us feel good about him by continuing to show improvement in his mechanics and maturity. If doesn’t start floating the ball he’ll cut down on his interceptions and show that his arm strength is good enough to effective at this level. Stepping up and being the unquestioned leader of the offense, like Warner did, will go a long ways to getting his critics off his back.

Question #1, being objective, is a tough call. Both have yet to live up to being the #1 or an early #1 pick. I think both will show this season why they were picked where they were, but at this point I think you’d have to call their careers pretty much a wash at this point, that being displaying some potential but not having a lot to brag about (yet).

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lets look at it this way. Leinart is inheriting the best surrounding cast he's ever had in the NFL

The oline is deeper then it’s ever been and Alan Faneca was added. Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower are entering their best year in the league together and had some incredible rushing games down the stretch last season. As for weapons, he has a good receivers in Andre Roberts, Early Doucet, Steve Breaston, and oh yeah, Larry Fitzgerald. He’s also much more familiar with the offense then when he came into the league and has learned a lot from Warner. He should play well with what he’s given, but at this point, its very hard to tell.

Smith is in a similar situation, given that this is likely the best surrounding cast around him. It’s actually quite amazing how similar both of their situations are.

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah they're similar.

But as far as actual playing time goes, Smith has played better than Leinart. Do you have a game off the top of your head that I can track down that could be called Leinart’s “best” game so far in the NFL?

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

i would also be interested in this

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

can you point out the best game?

have you analyzed the stats of each? I don’t have time just now to look through them all…

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Statistically

Minnesota, but in terms of efficiency, the Detroit game (a win) was better, in my opinion.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's very vague

in my memory as well, but the Seahawk game from that season was very solid.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

You have to remember that he hasn't really started(aside from one game last year) in almost three years so most of our memories are blank

I would name the famous Monday Night Meltdown against the top ranked Bears in 2006. He looked very good as a rookie that game throwing 2 early touchdowns.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was there

still have nightmares about it

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Off the top of my head

there was a 400-yard performance against Minnesota, I still liked his performance last year against Tennessee (keep in mind he didn’t work with the #1 unit during the week, and had very limited reps period).

He also did a decent job moving the offense against New Orleans in the playoffs when he went in. I have a hard time remembering the Denny Green era (intense psychotherapy erased a lot of it – can sleep at night now).

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Leinart vs Smith debate is really moot to this point.

This season will be the first true opportunity to compare them on equal footing. They pretty much are both in the hot seat. Leinart maybe more so because of his contract situation ( I don’t know what Smith’s is ). In 2011 Leinart’s pay check balloons immensely. He’s really only got this year to make or break.

Most Cardinals fans are counting on the time behind Warner being a positive for Leinart. You would think that he couldn’t help but learn from the man. The negative media hype over Leinart is way over blown. Probably on par with how over hyped he was coming in as a rookie. Expectations around ROTB are that he will perform well enough for the Cardinals to carry the division. No one is expecting a Warner clone. Personally I’m much more concerned with the defense improving than Leinart, and that is without regard to player losses. That said, the man still needs to prove himself.

As to Alex Smith, if he can step it up the niners will be scary. Watching them throughout last year I thought they were really only a quality QB from being a damn good team. The situation that guy has gone through is rough. But just like Leinart, it’s all just excuses. Only what they do on the field this season will matter.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smith renegotiated his contract

couple years ago so it’s not bad at all. He’s making about $2 million this year plus incentives and he’s a FA at the end of the 2010 season

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by smileyman on May 17, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't know about the money end.

So he has to prove himself this year or possibly be tossed. Just like Leinart. Leinart has an extra year under contract but they won’t pay him obscene amounts if he doesn’t produce.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Smith just needs to hold steady

if he can do as good as he did last year I think we do a new deal with him. If he shows great improvement he gets a bunch more money

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by smileyman on May 17, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Leinart has not earned anything yet

because he hasn’t been given the chance to earn anything. Smith has had more experience so at this time is the more successful QB baised on playing time. The big difference I see between the two is Smith has been waiting for his team to grow around him where as Leinart is stepping into a well oiled machine. I don’t think Leinart has to play as well as Smith will have to to win games just because of the caliber of players he has surrounding him. Leinart will be successful because of his offense, I don’t know if you can say the same about Smith.

by AlaskanCard on May 17, 2010 12:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Have to say

this was a good discussion. No stupid comments, insults, personal attacks…

Then again I’m on the east coast and a lot of people on the WC haven’t gotten off work yet! Here’s hoping it stays civilized and intelligent.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey.

Shutup.. stupid.. face… hah.

Shutup.. stupid.. face… hah.oh wait you’re a Niners fan.. augh I just used my best insult I was saving..

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

this blog stinks it made me look bad with bad formatting...

:[ Just kidding though.. ROTB has been great.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

And right on cue

here comes 49’ers rule.

At least the rest of you represent yourselves as knowledgeable football fans.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eh.. keep it clean, my man.

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by James Brady on May 17, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't even think he's a member of NN

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I knew I'd jinx it

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

49ers will sweep the cardys

Our o-line has gotten better plus the cardys lost Warner an Boldin

by 49ers rule! on May 17, 2010 1:13 PM MDT reply actions  

A very narrow minded 'synopsis'

but opinion noted.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point

I give up, based on last year we’ll just forfeit this year’s two games and use them to rest up for people we stand a chance against.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

and then the next year you'll also have to do the same

so from now on, the Cardinals will lose two games per year to the 49ers, from the start of the season.

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

and the niners will still fail to make the playoffs lol. jk had to say it.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a good strategy.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree strongly with this statement,
Since the divisions aligned in 2002, the West hasn’t featured a primary rivalry until the Cardinals opened University of Phoenix Stadium in 2006 against the 49ers.

Maybe not for you guys, but from 2003-2006 the Seahawks/Rams rivary was by far the best rivalry in the division since realignment.

2003 – Rams finish 12-4, Seahawks finish 10-6. The series is split with both games being won by 5 points or less. Both teams make the playoffs.

2004 – Seahawks finish 9-7 the Rams finish 8-8. Both teams make the playoffs. This is the year that the Rams became our most hated rival, after beating us 3 times, twice in the regular season, and once in the playoffs at Qwest. This was the last time the NFC West sent two teams to the playoffs in the same year.

2005 – Seahawks finish 13-3 Rams finish 6-10. A 6-10 finish is still enough for second place in the division for the Rams.

2006 – Seahawks finish 9-7, Rams finish 8-8. This was the year Seattle paid back the Rams for 2004. Josh Brown hit two game winning field goals from 54 and 38 yards as time expired to give the Seahawks 2 point victories in both games. If he misses either one of these field goals, then the Rams win the division with a 9-7 record and the Seahawks go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. The Rams respond by stealing Josh Brown (a Seahawks fan favorite) in free agency 2 years later.

So while I think the Cards/49er rivalry has been the best rivalry for the last couple of seasons, I don’t think you can say it’s the first rivalry to develop since realignment, or the best.

by Mind of no mind on May 17, 2010 1:39 PM MDT reply actions  

The first, maybe not

The best, yes. You can’t compare the two. Are the match ups still intense when the Rams and Seahawks play each other? No. Were the match ups with the 49ers and Cardinals intense when both teams stunk? Yes.

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by Andrew602 on May 17, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Depends who you ask.

Maybe it’s because I’m not a fan of either team, but I never got the impression that the games between the Cards and 49ers were any more intense than standard division games (which are always intense) prior to 2008.

And maybe this new age of “twitter fighting” takes things to a new level, but until the 49ers start making the playoffs at the Cardinals expense, the rivalry is too one-sided for it to be as interesting as the 03-06 Seahawks/Rams.

by Mind of no mind on May 17, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey 49ers fans.

Not really a fan now that we are rivals, but I have some family from Chicago so I have a ton of respect for your Coach.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a Split here.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 1:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Hasnt been a split in quite some time.

It seems as though it’s been alternating years in the sweeps

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by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which means you're due...

So I am hoping for a split… best case scenario 49ers weep again.

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by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

sweep* … oh man that’s a bad omen, haha.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nooo

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

For both our teams

new article posted on NFL.com regarding our qb’s being in pivotal years. Nothing new of course but thought i’d mention it if you guys wanted to check it out.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 1:56 PM MDT reply actions  

One thing about Leinart is that we have seen him as a starter a few times so it isn't like taking someone who has been on the bench his entire career and making him the starter.

He did play well as a rookie considering how bad the O-Line and some other parts of the team were. Fitzgerald also missed a few games so he had Bryant “Butterfingers” Johnson as the #2 for a few games.

The team as a whole is much better now, and we saw when he did get the chance to start against Tennessee that he could play well even though he hardly got any time in practice before the game and found out he was going to play a couple hours before the game.

I don’t see him being a Pro-Bowler, but numbers like 22 Tds, 12 Picks, 3,500 yards and a 65% completion percentage could happen with him.

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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:24 PM MDT reply actions  

If that occurs

We may be hosting some playoff games.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Statistically yes

but as far as leading the team to those close game victories, with his supporting cast in place, we’ll have a better record.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 17, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Maybe a little bit better than Average though.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

A 2-1 TD/Int ratio

with 3500 yards would be better than average.

by Long Beach on May 17, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really

3500 yards would rank him 17th overall (based on 2009’s numbers)

I’d be very impressed if he had a 65% completion rate—that’s what Tom Brady finished up with last year and he was ranked 7th overall in completion. A more realistic number would be somewhere between 60-62%.

A 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio would put him the top half of the league.

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by smileyman on May 17, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

He had 66% last year

Almost 70% in the Titans game.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Small sample size.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just using it as an example of how he can be a 60/65% completion guy.

I know it is a small sample size.

His completion rate was good in the games he got some extended playing time in.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well he'll probably be a high comp % guy if he's successful

As he does check down a lot.

Not as much as, say, Trent Edwards….but still.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Warner seemed to check down all season.

It wasn’t revealed until after the season that his shoulder injury was worse than initially reported and he had lost something in the long ball. We should see actually more down field play next season. Not likely anything along the lines of the ‘08 offense but at least they’ll take some shots. They got to be few and far between last season.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with Leinart?

It’s not your offense, Leinart has always been a check-down QB since he played at USC.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

The point being

that so much is made of the big drop off between Warner and Leinart. Last season Warner’s play wasn’t at the same level it was the year before. The injury caused him to depend over much on short passes. The Cardinals still improved their record with that style of offense, limited as it was. Leinart won’t have to be throwing bombs all day. Just enough deep plays to keep the defense honest, which will be more deep plays than we saw last season.

by hadrarius on May 18, 2010 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well our offense turned into dinking and dunking after Warner had a shoulder injury early in the season

So we would be okay with that.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not me. Not ok with dink & dunk.

I was bent out of shape most of last season with the lack of vertical threat we showed. An offense needs to remain dynamic to be consistantly successful. We don’t need another insane season of 3 guys getting 1000 yards each but that deep threat element absolutely must be there. We need to take those shots. With the expected increase in the run game play action should contribute more so than in the recent past. The Cardinals will need to be successful in both aspects to win in 2010.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure we will have a pass longer than 45 yards this year.

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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope it's plural.

Truth is I’m not concerned about Leinart’s ability to go deep. I do have some concerns about him letting it float at times. I think the offense will be fine.

The defense it the side I have more concern over. A lot of changes to an already not so dominating group. Then again the offense looks to be shuffling a lot around too.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Leinart has the ability to throw deep passes

But he has always seemed reluctant to do so.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if you look at the 06 season he did throw some nice deep passes.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 18, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

and a partridge in a pear tree

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by Tre9er on May 17, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hasn't been this much activity here in a while.

Lets do this more often.

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by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 5:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Sure

But it’s only around 400 comments.

I believe that Ninersnation had like 500 comments on a thread that was supposed to cover a David Carr press conference.
The press conference never happened….which makes it so awesome.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Constant

Hater

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

I’m just joking.
Like 90% of my comments are not really serious.

And I don’t post anything with the intention of “hating” or pissing people off. I just like to poke fun at stuff.

Imagine me as your joyful buddy ribbing you every now and then.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

For sure

They are who we thought they were!

by Jesse Reynolds on May 17, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Niners have a way bigger fan base.

Winning super bowls will do that for ya. The funny thing to me is that so many AZ fans seem to be so proprietary about the Cardinals. Some people want to decry the lack of respect the team always gets and at the same time disparage anyone who became a fan after some nebulous point in time that demarks true fandom. I’ve been a Cardinals fan since the day they moved to the desert. I’m happy that there is anyone else that likes them. They just plain sucked for so long it’s refreshing to find anyone that even admits they are a fan.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

We haven't won a Super Bowl in 15 years

It’s been a long, dry spell for us

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 17, 2010 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can't even rival the Cardinals for a dismal history.

That’s one competition we win hands down. I’m sure you don’t mind.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been a fan of them and every other AZ team all my life

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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Im sorry

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Smaller fanbase in Arizona than San Fran

When I looked back at some of the stories from the Super Bowl run [I didn’t join the site until after it], until the Playoffs there were hardly any people here.

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I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 17, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't aware of SB Nation until late in the 09 season.

What I had seen of blog sites had turned me off the idea. Most of the commentary was vapid or abusive. SB Nation is a complete change of pace. It’s nice to have a place where you can debate / argue / discuss with fans of other teams in a fairly civil and open manner. This whole thread has been enjoyable.

by hadrarius on May 17, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well there weren’t that many people in the epic David Carr press conference thread.
But the few people that were commenting kept doing so for hours, waiting for the press conference (watching a live feed of a media trailer and some guy scratching his leg).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 17, 2010 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once in awhile a hot girl would walk in

That’s when things really perked up

I was right, you were wrong.

by smileyman on May 18, 2010 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Forunately I missed it

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

But the dedication of the people that participated was amazing.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Personally I think it comes down to what happens in the games before we play. Not the outcome, but who is getting hit when we are talking about QB's.

Who ever is taking the most hits and is most out of sync, their team will lose. Cards got OL help, but not Tackle help (Yeah Brooks), Niners added G and T help, but they are rookies. Cards stepped up the PR and we didn’t. Leinhart is the wildcard. Hopefully he is getting sacked quite a bit and Wells has a slow start. I think Wells is the X Factor in all of this.

I can’t call a Niner’ sweep because the Cards will not face a lot of pressure considering how late in the season we play them. Cards may sweep us..

There's no Santa Clause?? I'm going on a rage infuriated streak!!

by rlott#42 on May 17, 2010 9:39 PM MDT reply actions  

I was a Rams fan

Because my little league football team was the rams so i started watching the games with my dad. I was crushed after super bowl 36. Me being young i only like the football team because of the players. Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk became my favorites. When faulk got bench and Kurt traded. My love for the rams died. I became a Warner after that, and followed his career. When he came to the Card, i didnt really like it , but in 2006 he didnt start much but i got to learn and like the team more. So by mid season 2006 i became a true Cards fan.

by MarcusJC on May 18, 2010 2:34 AM MDT reply actions  

i didn't know this was here or I would have commented sooner. Always showing up fashionably late I suppose.

All I have to say is that Matt Leinart couldn’t throw his way out of a mad clown carnival to save his life… and that Derek Anderson is the mad clown.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 5:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Strong words from someone

with Smith ‘leading’ their team.

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey don't make fun of Smith

He’s a nice boy scout.

He’s ain’t not hurting nobody.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Leinart stole all his girlfriends.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 19, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's amazing Joe

lol

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds

by Andrew602 on May 19, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same thing could be said about Matt

He’s never done anything bad. Girls in a hot tub? Good! He’s a young millionaire I expect nothing less haha

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Girls in a hot tub

I’m still having a hard time figuring out the wrong in that myself. Think maybe there’s a little jealously amongst the media?

by hadrarius on May 19, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Regardless of the newly acquired rivalry

well written Andrew… enjoyed the article above. Btw, I am a Niners fan living in AZ. And I will see some of you at this years MNF Game sporting my 49ers jersey proudly.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on May 18, 2010 6:04 AM MDT reply actions  

How long can we keep the smack talk going in this thread.

I’m getting my smug face on for when the Cardinals go on to win their 3rd NFC West championship in a row.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on May 18, 2010 12:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Too bad that won't be until 2050

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Neither Mascot is particularly menacing

I must say. Though I think I’d take a Miner over a small red bird…

"I will speak at times, when it's necessary, but I don't believe in talking just because you can." - P-52
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by Tre9er on May 18, 2010 2:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Have you seen our games?

The bird is freakin huge! Definitely a mutant bird of some type, I mean for the love of God he wears shoes!

by cardsfanforlife24 on May 18, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Bear Pascoe was our mascot?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

BEAR

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on May 18, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

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