Arizona Cardinals Bird Droppings: 49ers > Cardinals?
by Justin Burning on Jun 2, 2010 7:51 AM MDT
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Niners Nation | At Least We're Not... The Arizona Cardinals!
The Arizona Cardinals. As far as I'm concerned, the name should be spat out with much contempt as possible. Or at least, that's what the NFL would like us to do.
azcentral.com blogs - Kent Somers | It's summer: read the fine print
Coach Ken Whisenhunt was asked about a few position battles today after practice, and he issued the usual qualifiers: It's a new season, so jobs are open; and, it's too early to draw definite conclusions.
azcentral.com blogs - Kent Somers | Volunteer work half over
Organized team workouts (known as practice in English) reach their halfway today with the seventh workout. Practices are scheduled today through Friday and next week, June 7-10. In previous years, coach Ken Whisenhunt has used the last day for team building exercise rather than work on the field.
Bleacher Report | Five NFL Teams Going Up and Five Coming Down
Well, the Arizona Cardinals were a feel good, Super Bowl story two years ago. This season they'll be lucky to finish third in their division.
Cardinals Gab | Cardinals Complete 2nd Week of OTAs
The Cardinals finished the second week of OTAs this past Saturday (5/28) with mostly passing situations in 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills. Darren Urban reports that Matt Leinart was a mix of both good and bad.
Raising Zona | An Arizona Cardinals Blog | OTA's This Week
The Arizona Cardinals return to the practice field this week for Organized Team Activities. They will run tomorrow through Friday at their Tempe headquarters. Some questions still remain as we head into June, only a couple of months away from training camp in Flagstaff.
NFC West Blog - ESPN | Mailbag: Run game without Kurt Warner
One key for Arizona, I think, is showing an ability to run the ball with three wide receivers on the field. Teams generally must go with lighter personnel on defense when offenses replace running backs and tight ends with wide receivers. This can create more favorable situations for a running game.
NFC West Blog - ESPN | My choice for 2010 Player of the Year
Thirty-eight players and two offensive lines had drawn mention by Wednesday morning after I asked for candidates -- sleeper and otherwise -- for 2010 NFC West player of the year.
NFL.com | Signs point to players like Charles, Henne having breakout seasons
Arizona Cardinals DE Calais Campbell and WR Early Doucet make an appearance on NFL.com's list of potential breakout players for the upcoming season.
Peter King - SI.com | Pat Tillman shouldn't be voted into Pro Football Hall of Fame
So one of the controversies of the day Monday, via e-mails and Twitter, centered on Pat Tillman and whether his valiant life, tragic death and turning down NFL millions to join the Army Rangers in the war in Afghanistan merits a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
azcardinals.com - Word From the Birds Blog | Ho-hum ... another Fitz catch of note
I have no idea who threw the ball to Larry Fitzgerald, who was running half-speed down the right sideline, but it was a bit back over the wrong shoulder. Without a pause — and looking like he had planned it the whole way, Fitz reached back with his right hand, twisting his body, and snatched the ball from the air one-handed. No fuss, no muss and certainly no bobble. Incredible.
azcardinals.com | Whisenhunt encouraged by Leinart
For all the talk about what Matt Leinart has or hasn’t been during the Cardinals’ offseason work, it’s hard to discount what his head coach is saying publicly about his quarterback. And what Ken Whisenhunt noted Tuesday, as the Cards started the third of the four-week session for organized team activities, all seemed positive.
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The Seahawks aren't improved enough to have a better record than us yet.
The NFC West will be a year long battle between the 49ers and the Cardinals, not the 49ers outright dominating like the pundits think. Deal with it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
There's a comment on Niner Nation
regarding how Fitz and Davis “cancel each other out” offensively so their other “weapons” i.e. Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, and SMITH (laughed my ass off when this guy actually considered him a weapon!) make their offense better than ours.
Wow I wish I had some of that kool-aid. Life would be so pleasant. Fitz and Davis cancel each other out? No sir, not even close. Dumbass.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jun 2, 2010 11:15 AM MDT reply actions
Wow. That's a little offensive, don't you think?
Either way… you guys no longer have this stranglehold lead over us on the offensive side of the ball.
Frustrated fireworks inside my head..
Its closer
But we still have the advantage IMO.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
A little offensive to Fitz being compared to Davis absolutely.
Davis has had 1 solid season. That’s it. Not even a consistent performer to warrant any kind of elite respect. We’ve seen it before, players blow up one year and then go back to their normal underachieving selves. Don’t get me wrong, I like Davis, think he can definitely be consistent, and hope he does because God knows we need some elite athletes out of the NFC West. But by no means should he be compared to Fitz at all. This guy was stretching.
You’re right, no longer a stranglehold, but that doesn’t mean you guys dominate us either.
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't get it..
If I recall we beat you guys both times last year and than you’re trying to say you guys still have the advantage…
So your saying that when you guys had Rolle, Warner, Dansby, Boldin, and Gandy, you had the advantage, but you still lost to us both times?
Now, with those players gone you’re saying you guys still have the advantage?
Furthermore, on the part about the Fitz and Davis canceling each other out.
This past year when we played you in Arizona Fitz recorded 6 rec. for 71 yds. with 1 td, while Davis “in that game” recorded 5 rec. for 40 yds. with 0 td.
This past year when we played in SF Fitz recorded 2 rec. for 22 yds. with 0 td, while Davis “in that game” recorded 3 rec. for 34 yds. with 1 td.
Fitz’s total stats were: 8 rec. 93 yds. 11.6 avg. 25 lng. 1 td. 7 1st.
Davis’ total stats were: 8 rec. 74 yds. 9.2 avg. 19 lng. 1 td. 5 1st.
I would say that’s canceling out for sure.
Obviously you haven't really been that astute with your football knowledge.
What does beating us twice last year mean? A trip to the playoffs? NOT. Sorry, that was too easy. Kinda like getting too confident with consecutive wins over us. Between you and the Seahawks the last coupe years, the favorite to win our division has mainly rested with you guys. Once the season starts, we show our dominant heads. Take a swig and pass it on. Its not healthy to keep all that Kool Aid for yourself.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
I'll grudgingly
give the 9’ers their props for beating us twice last year, obviously that’s a major concern for us going into the 2010 season.
However, it would appear that while you’re busting your arms patting yourselves on that back for that accomplishment you’re forgetting about the other 14 games that go into deciding who the eventual NFC Champion is. Bottom line last season was you still finished two games back of us when all was said and done (starting to become a trend).
So while Davis and Fitz may have cancelled each other out in the two games you mentioned, does your cancellation theory hold up over all 16?
I like your comment Long Beach..
it helped me feel better after reading hevchv ignorant comment..
Thanks for the props and I give you guys props for beating the Vikings last year.. I hate Favre lol…
Now I’m not saying Arizona isn’t a good team or anything about the Division Championship or the other 14 games, I was just referring to the comment cardsfan had about Fitz and Davis canceling each other out, and the comment joecb said about having an advantage over us..
I believe that last year we had an advantage over the Cards when we played because we came out 2-0 and I believe we will keep the advantage and go 2-0 again..
All I’m trying to say is if we can beat you guys when you had a HOF / Probowler qb in Warner, along with the 2004 Offensive Rookie of the Year / Probowler in Boldin, Probowler Rolle, and a legit starter in Gandy.. Than it should be easier to beat you with who you have now..
I don't think
Hevchv was doing anything more than just playing along, most of us know the original post was done in fun.
I get your post, if I was a Niners fan I’d be playing up who we lost as well, but overall our team in 2010 looks better than last year. Gandy, as much as I hate to criticize him, was average before he suffered his sports hernia injury, after that he became a turnstyle. Due to that injury Bridges played in his place against MN and shut the door on Jared Allen. While it causes debate over here, I’m a believer that we’ll see All-Pro play out of Levi Brown at LT so however you look at it, we’ve upgraded that position.
Remember that we traded Boldin, he didn’t leave. Losing Rolle was offset by trading for Kerry Rhodes. Dansby leaves a hole, no doubt, so we’ll need our second round pick, Daryl Washington, to mature in a hurry and/or projected starter Paris Lenon to play over his head for awhile.
Improvements we made, that were much needed, are at OLB and NT. Joey Porter’s age and effectiveness can be debated, but what can’t be is that he’s still an obvious upgrade over what we had. Chike Okeafor, one of our previous starting OLB’s, just got signed to the UFL (or whatever it’s called) if that gives you an idea of his play last season. Second year OLB’s Will Davis and Cody Brown are coming off injuries from their rookie year, but project much better this season. The league gave us an early Xmas present by letting Dan Williams slide to #26, and his presence seems to have finally woken up incumbent Gabe Watson, who was way too inconsistent last season.
The catch, per usual, is how well with Leinart play in place of Warner. Whatever else you have heard, take it from those who actually follow it – he’s going to be the surprise player of the league this season. The mechanical weaknesses have progressively gotten better, and his attitude/maturity has improved immensely. I take nothing from you knuckleheads, much to my irritation I can’t deny that Singletary has your organization going in the right direction. But don’t make the mistake of thinking that Whisenhunt isn’t quickly implementing his long-range goal of mirroring us into the image of the Steelers.
When I posted it on the Niners Nation page, they said that from looking at the comments we had our "panties in a bunch"
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Some people have no sense of humor,
And then some are just plain 49er fans.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Jun 4, 2010 3:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I still can't
figure out figure out what you said that hurt their feelings, are they so PC up there that even trash talk has to be polite? It’s too bad, because I kind of enjoy it when they wander over here and stir the shit every now and again, helps to liven up a boring time of year.
+1
Its all in fun.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Jun 4, 2010 5:08 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
lol agree..
Watching OTAs and listening to great things about players who aren’t even wearing pads gets very boring..
I have a question.. since most of you guys live in Arizona “if I’m correct” and you watched the Lakers beat out the suns does it have you guys cheering for the Celtics or would you be able to hold back your grudge against the Lakers in order to be happy for Kobe if they were to win it all?
I’m a Kings fan and they are the Rams of basketball right now and Tyreke Evans is our version of Stephen Jackson lol, so I despize the Lakers, but I can’t stand Peirce, Perkins, or Garnet.
I’m cheering for the Lakers for 3 reasons.. I dislike the celtics more than the Lakers, I want Kobe to shove that MVP trophy further down Lebron’s unworthy throat, and I want all the people who said Kobe has nothing left in the tank to see that he actually has a lot left in the tank.
thoughts??
I live in Orlando
So obviously I’m a Magic fan. I hate the Celtics. I hate that Paul Pierce pump fake throw your body foul. Next year that needs to be called an offensive foul. I hate how they always get the benefit of the whistle. I hate that smirk Ray Allen makes when he chews gum. Did I say I hate the Celtics. Also don’t be so down on Lebron. If you were in his shoes how would you react to find out Delonte West was sleeping with your mother. Who lost your respect the most.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Jun 4, 2010 8:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like either of them
But I hate the Lakers more, so I want the Celtics to win.
One of the good things about the NFL is that you don’t really have the same teams making it to the Super Bowl as you do in the NBA where it is basically the Lakers every year now.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Depth
Where is your depth in San fran? Is it lost or something?
You're missing the point StevenC
I’m referring to Fitz and Davis overall play throughout the YEARS. If you want to nit-pick and compare stats from two games of the season then go ahead, you continue to relish your victories over us and we’ll continue to enjoy watching our team play football in January.
There isn’t a single Coach or GM in the NFL that would rather have Davis over Fitz. If you think anything contrary to that you obviously don’t know your football. That being said if Davis and Fitz truly ‘canceled each other out’ don’t you think some people would rather have Davis on their team?
You compared stats from 2 measly games (I say measly because we lost them and still made it to the playoffs!)
Here’s some significant stats for you:
Since 2006 (Davis’ Rookie Year)
Davis: 181 Rec, 2,097 YDS, 22 TD
Fitz: 362 Rec, 4,878 YDS, 41 TD
DOMINATION!
Now you might say ‘but cardsfanforlife24, they play a different position’ (to which I’d reply than there shouldn’t have been a comment from Niner Nation about how they ‘cancel each other out’.) Okay, here’s the stats from 3 of the top TE’s since 2006.
Antonio Gates: 285 Rec, 3,769 YDS, 34 TDS
Dallas Clark: 265 Rec, 2,937 YDS, 31TDS
Tony Gonzalez: 351 Rec, 3,997 YDS, 26 TDS
As anyone can see, Davis can’t even be considered among the elite TE’s over his career. Not even close.
He had a great year, I acknowledge that. But to claim that based off that one year he ‘cancels out’ the offensive talent that one of the top 2 WR’s in the game brings week in week out? No chance.
GO CARDINALS!!!
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jun 4, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I was definitely having fun and playing along
But you are just showing your immaturity by taking offense to my comments. With that said I will give you a pass since you obviously care what we Cards fans think. You are on our site after all.
Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.
by hevchv on Jun 4, 2010 3:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Fitz also had to leave the game after someone fell on his knee.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Ask around
Who would Coordinators rather see in a lineup Davis or Fitzgerald, I’ll bet 31 say Davis…
Apparently
You forgot we are one of a very few teams to shake the “Hangover”, and how we beat you like the silly fairies you are the year before
The story that never ends
Per Florio of course.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Most encouraging thing
I’ve read since the season ended was Whisenhunt’s appraisal of how Leinart is doing. It’s sounds like everything is starting to come together. If so, we could be looking at something a lot bigger than another NFC West title and mindless commentary from fans/critics whose teams of choice cannot muster up more than wins than losses.
Interesting that the Cards Gab link notes WR Ed Gant taking the lead in the 4th WR race
as per commentary by Urban. Urban, who just passed on that Ojo is in the lead. Guess we won’t really know until the preseason gets under way!
I am wondering now about how much we’re going to be using a fullback. When Kreider missed last year, it wasn’t a big loss, and now we have a bunch of mostly-untested guys competing for a spot. Considering the varied talents of our RB’s, it makes sense having two of them on the field at the same time, but that would come at the cost of further reduced snaps for a FB. Will we see more shotgun this year? Either way, I’m thinking Patrick and Becht are going to be busy, busy, busy with run-blocking.
I would like to see Beanie, Hightower, and the Howler all on the field at once.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
+1
Hightower’s ability to pass block gives me the feeling he can be a crack back fullback too. Doesn’t have the size to do it regularly but in unique situations it’d be kind of interesting. More use of 9-0 as a fullback on goal line situations would be sweet too!
by cardsfanforlife24 on Jun 2, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I know there are some formations where you have one RB deep in the backfield
And two more of them [maybe a TE as well] standing a couple steps ahead of the deep back to his left and right.
You can create so many matchup problems by doing that, maybe motioning LSH to a receiver spot.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I've seen something like it in Madden.
Or maybe I’m just thinking of one where the QB is under center and the two RBs are lined up in the backfield like they would be if it was the Shotgun formation.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I'd like to see more 2 back formations
Hightower – Wells, Hightower – LSH, or Wells – LSH all have potential. Not just in the run game but in passing too. The fullback we’ll see with short yardage plays. Watching Dockett in there is great but I’d hate for him to get hurt on an offensive play. The fullback he’s replacing can’t fill his spot on defense.
by hadrarius on Jun 2, 2010 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Niners fans must forget
We swept them the year before last…not too mention…Indy blew us out…we stopped the texans on the goal line at the last second (one hell of a game to be at UoP)…we pummeled the vikings…and swept the hawks last year…which the 4whiner’s couldnt pull off…Oh yeah, and how about the fact that we changed Offensive and Defensive Coordinators..Hmmm…………………………………….
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