Pat Kirwan Issues 'Hall Passes', Larry Fitzgerald Doesn't Get One
by Andrew602 on Jun 3, 2010 11:16 AM MDT
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PrintOver at NFL.com, Senior writer Pat Kirwan wrote an article about current players that are NFL Hall of Fame shoe-ins and those that have a chance to make it. On the list were two current Cardinals - and I'll give you a hint: Larry Fitzgerald was not one of them. First was a brief mention of Kurt Warner.
The careers of quarterback Kurt Warner and left tackle Walter Jones came to an end this offseason, and I believe their bodies of work will get them into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Offensive guard Alan Faneca was on the list of, 'Close, but not confirmed'.
Alan Faneca, G, Cardinals: Faneca has long been considered an elite guard. He's played in nine Pro Bowls during his 12-year career, which includes eight straight seasons with 16 starts.
And on the list of, 'At this pace, they have a shot', Kirwan listed three wide receivers not named Larry.
1. Andre Johnson, WR, Texans: In seven seasons, Johnson has 587 receptions for 7,948 yards and 42 touchdowns. To go along with that production, he's a high-character guy. Johnson can boast to being the only player besides Rice to lead the NFL in receiving back-to-back seasons since the merger. Johnson is on pace for more than 1,000 receptions, but he has to pick up the pace on touchdowns, averaging just six per year.
4. Reggie Wayne, WR, Colts: His numbers are starting to pile up with Marvin Harrison out of the picture. In nine seasons, he has 676 receptions and 63 touchdowns. He should get to over 1,000 receptions and 100 touchdowns, but that may not be enough as receiving numbers are exploding.
7. Brandon Marshall, WR, Dolphins: The guy has more than 100 receptions in each of the last three seasons and if the 26-year-old can keep his head on straight, he could wind up with well over 1,000 receptions. His yards per catch and touchdowns are not on pace with Moss or Owens, though.
Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson have proven something in the league and have validated their chances to be in the Hall of Fame one day, but Marshall? He's only been in the league four seasons and did not make an impact his rookie season. Throw in all the problems he's experienced in his short career and I see no reason to include him ahead of 'Fitz'. I dug up stats for all four wide receivers since 2004 (Fitzgerald's rookie season).
| Name | Rec | R/G | Yards | Y/G | Y/C | TD | GP | Age | PB |
| Larry Fitzgerald | 523 | 5.7 | 7,067 | 76.8 | 13.5 | 59 | 92 | 26 | 4 |
| Andre Johnson | 521 | 6.0 | 6,972 | 81.1 | 13.3 | 38 | 86 | 28 | 4 |
| Reggie Wayne | 532 | 5.4 | 7,494 | 78.0 | 14.1 | 52 | 96 | 31 | 4 |
| Brandon Marshall | 327 | 5.5 | 4,019 | 65.9 | 12.3 | 25 | 45 | 26 | 2 |
What surprises me most is that Fitzgerald leads Johnson in almost every category except for yards per game and receptions per game - some compelling stats next time we discuss who's better. Reggie Wayne has come on strong the last few seasons with the help of another future Hall of Fame'er, Peyton Manning. I'll conclude that Kirwan either completely forgot about Larry or he has no respect for him. Color me confused.
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I think some of this is due to the fact
That Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall were sexier names last season. Fitz didn’t have one of his best seasons ever in terms of exposure — especially compared to the Super Bowl run when everyone, their mom, and their mom’s puppy was saying Fitz was the best receiver in the NFL. I’m guess that Marshall, Wayne, and Johnson were more on his mind.
It's ridiculously hard to overlook Fitzgerald though
How he did is beyond me. At least throw his name in an honorable mentions category.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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He's only 26!
Look at the ages too, he’s two years younger than Andre and has better numbers!
Fitz doesn’t have any injury concerns, is probably the highest character guy in the NFL, and isn’t reliant on his speed which should keep him in the league for years.
Man AZ is the red-headed step child of the NFL (no offense to red-headed step children… just saying.)
They are who we thought they were!
by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Andre will be 29 in a month too
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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Oh I agree it's inexplicable
Just trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt … sorta
by Justin Burning on Jun 3, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
True
I enjoy listening to Kirwan on the radio, just not sure what he was thinking here.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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+1
Not the kind of thing I’d expect from him.
C’mon Pat, don’t cause me to lose faith in all sportswriters.
I thought it was a joke.
I’d put Larry above Wayne and Marshall, and it is basically a tie with Andre. I don’t know what the hell Kirwan was thinking.
Hell, Larry’s playoff records alone should have gotten him into the top of the “at this pace” list.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Unless he just assumed Fitz was in this guy dropped the ball.
Has anyone ever seen Reggie Wayne split a double team and make a circus catch? Has anyone ever known the Colts would throw the ball to Wayne and not been able to stop him? NO. He is a product of a system. He does not have an eigth the talent Fitz has. Anyone in question should watch the tape of the playoffs in 08.
1st time for everything
never read “larry bashing” or see larry get blacklisted
by fansincejakenrob on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 PM MDT reply actions
I could maybe see Wayne beating out Fitz based on the ring
but not the other two. Neither of them have even made the playoffs let alone dominated them the way Larry did. I know playoffs aren’t everything, but when you’re comparing great WR like these, it’s kind of a tie breaker.
The most current memory I have of Wayne
Is when he got lazy on his route, Porter jumped it, and got the game winning Pick 6 in the Super Bowl.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Same thoughts
I read this article before lunch and the first thing that came to mind at the start when he listed the categories was that Fitz would be there. Then after reading it I was astounded.
+1
Thought I’d see his name somwhere on the article.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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Fitz still has a long career ahead of him
Maybe a couple of Super Bowl rings will sway the vote.
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
Shouldn't really be a difference maker if Johnson and Marshall are on that list.
Neither of them have rings but still made the list.
True
If they had rings I’d understand a little better.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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I bet he just didn't think about Fitz.
Not an uncommon thing to happen since Fitz plays for the Cards, who still have a hard time of getting respect.
Still don't see how you can forget about Fitz
The topic of Fitz vs Andre always comes up.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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Would be interested to find out from him.
Couldn’t find a direct e-mail address but I did his talk show an e-mail. Hopefully he replies back because I don’t have Sirius Satellite if they reply that way.
I could call in, but I don't think I'm up for it.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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