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Arizona Cardinals Quote Of The Day: "Alan Faneca is more or less washed up"

Mike Sando has debated different positions in the NFC West with Scouts Inc. analyst Matt Williamson recently. Today they discussed which team had the best offensive line in the division and Williamson had this to say about the Cardinals offensive line:

I also think [the Cardinals'] Russ Grimm is as good an offensive line coach as there is in the league. Alan Faneca is more or less washed up, but his toughness, leadership and intelligence will help all the linemen in general. Having a full-blown leader to look to in the huddle and the meeting room helps. The other guys can learn how to prepare as a professional. You can ask Faneca anything. But he is a declining player that cannot protect very well. I think Arizona's tackles not very good and Kurt Warner made them look better than they are.

He went on to discuss in the difference in quarterback:

The Cardinals' line is better suited to be run-blockers than pass-blockers. But because you had Warner, he got the ball out quick ... With Matt Leinart, they are going to look worse than they really are.

While I agree that Warner and Leinart are two different breeds of quarterback, wasn't Warner the same quarterback that was criticised at one point in his career for not getting rid of the ball quick enough? Warner also became less and less mobile towards the end of his career. Matt - who will never be mistaken for an Olympic sprinter - has the legs of a 27-year old. I think the margin isn't as wide as some are suggesting. Jack London of NFL Touchdown had this to say about Faneca last month:

It appears like Faneca is a shoe-in for this job, but the veteran isn’t what he once was. Every Cards fan, including myself, hopes to see Faneca regain his Pro Bowl form, but if he should not, the Cards need to be ready. It should be interesting to see who the Cardinals will trot out on the line for their opener in St. Louis. Needless to say, this training camp is an important one for the offensive line.

ProFootballFocus ranked all 32 offensive lines a couple weeks ago. It's no surprise the Cardinals' line didn't score too well with them:

No. 27 -- Arizona Cardinals (Run No. 11, Pass No. 32, Penalties No. 22)

With Matt Leinart now in the driver's seat (although we wouldn't bet against Derek Andersonbeing the man at some stage this year) and Beanie Wells looking like a keeper, the relative merits of this line (i.e. being much better run than pass blockers) may be better suited to what lies ahead.

Best Player: C Lyle Sendleinwas the best of a poor bunch last season but, as bad a year as Alan Faneca had pass blocking in 2009, he still looked like pick of the crop here.

Biggest Concern: Levi Brown has struggled in pass protection since he was a rookie. Last year he gave up 9 sacks, 16 hits, 28 hurries and was penalized 11 times as a RT. Will a change to LT be the straw that breaks Leinart's back? 

Not likely. Brown won't be blocking Matt Leinart's blindside. That job goes to the mammoth Brandon Keith, whom I have much confidence in. Finally, Andy Benoit from The Fifth Down Blog also discussed the changes at tackle for the Cardinals:

Warner didn’t need great protection; when he wasn’t getting rid of the ball in a hurry, he was showcasing an uncanny ability to complete passes with defenders in his face. Because of this, people failed to notice things like how awful left tackle Mike Gandy was in ’09, or how slow-footed right tackle Levi Browncould be at times. Gandy is gone now. Brown, who has Pro Bowl caliber strength but too often lacks nastiness, moves to the left tackle position that he played at Penn State. Because the Cardinals don’t trust Jeremy Bridges in pass protection, third-year pro Brandon Keith will be given every opportunity to earn the right tackle job, which carries the responsibility of protecting the left-handed Leinart’s blind side.

I'm not going to deny that Mike Gandy had a porous, injury-plagued year in 2009. I am however, denying that Warner made them look that much better. In the two significant games that Leinart played in 2009(2nd half vs Rams, full game vs Titans), he was only sacked twice. The Cardinals' offensive line has played musical chairs this offseason, so I'm not surprised at the scepticism. I am surprised that people are quick to criticize Alan Faneca. He did play in the Pro Bowl last season right?

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I don't know why

Sando reveres Williamson so much, the majority of things he says are ridiculous. I seem to recall that the Jets led the league in rushing last season, so if Faneca is washed up the rest of their line must be even better than I realized. I’m getting tired of the whole, “Warner makes them look better” rant as well. As noted before, our skill players should be ranked #1 across the board at every position with the numbers they put up behind our horrible offensive line.

by Long Beach on Jul 16, 2010 4:39 PM MDT reply actions  

It's pretty sad actually

I’m just ready for the season to begin.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 16, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

No doubt about that

I was just reviewing one of the other articles, you’d think if they are just going to guess at rankings they’d at least pick up on what the teams themselves deem as needing improvement. The #27 Cardinals didn’t pick up a single OL in the draft, but the #14 Niners felt compelled to address it twice in the first round?

At least training camp is just around the corner.

by Long Beach on Jul 16, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a good point Long Beach

If the Niners line is so good, why did they need to take two rookies this offseason? I’m sure we will see some growing pains from them.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 16, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll grant

the critics that we picked up Faneca in a hurry, but it would have been idiotic not to take an All-Pro if someone is just willing to give them to you. Hadnot was clearly to add depth in case of injury, which again would be foolish not to do if available. However, when you add to a position, twice, that early in the draft it’s clear where the Niners saw themselves as being vulnerable/needing improvement. With a few exceptions, FO’s around the league will rank themselves based on who they draft and/or open the free agency vault for.

But what the hell, let the “experts” continue to believe the Niners are on the brink of returning to their glory years. Unrealistic expectations are very difficult to achieve.

by Long Beach on Jul 16, 2010 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Niners line wasn't good last year.

I see us starting both Davis and Iupati out the gate and dealing with the growing pains.

by Mullester on Jul 17, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

In all fairness

I don’t think the learning curve for O-lineman is quite as significant as other positions. They may be fairly well acclimated to the game by the second half of the season which is when it should really matter anyways.
Iupati is going to be a monster IMO and I’m sure you’d agree.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 17, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Partial agreement

with you. OL is one of the harder positions to learn at the next level. If you look at a lot of the better linemen we’ve seen recently it took most of them awhile to get to an All-Pro level (i.e. – Larry Allen and Erik Williams spent their first couple of seasons getting hip-tossed by Reggie White, obviously they adapted pretty well). Some never did adapt to their postions at Tackle and had to move inside (Leonard Davis, Robert Gallery), and the overall amount of busts has been fairly significant (Mandarich, Mike Williams).

Granted, there have guys like Boselli, Ogden, Clady, Thomas, Hutchinson, etc., who stepped in and made it look easy but I don’t see that quick of a transition for either Davis or Iupati. I think they’ll be good, in time, but they both have questions marks as rookies the names listed before them didn’t have.

by Long Beach on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Niners line struggled last year at times,

That is why they drafted 2 rookies, but they draffted 2 first round rookies…. Most people say that they would take AZ’s line in the short term for the struggles early for the 2 rookies, but would take the Niners line in the long term because of the talent they just recieved.

by ericalancanty on Jul 18, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

For those who want to read for themselves
No. 14 — San Francisco 49ers (Run No. 24, Pass No. 14, Penalties No. 2)
Interestingly, this line’s general pass blocking was pretty good and was dragged down by the man that simply refuses to go away, regardless of how poorly he plays: RT Adam Snyder. The 49ers first tried to replace him with Marvel Smith, who couldn’t even make it to Week 1, and then brought in Tony Pashos (not a man renowned for his protection), who did OK before getting injured. As a result, Snyder played 507 passing plays and gave up 10 sacks, 8 hits and 30 hurries.
Best Player: Quietly, center Eric Heitmann does a solid job while also avoiding injury, something that can’t be said for the other contender here — LT Joe Staley, who only managed five full games.
Biggest Concern: Will one or both of the rookies Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati pan out? It’s always difficult to say, but next year’s ranking will almost certainly be a direct consequence of the answer to that question.

The difference between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ at league level is razor thin, so even teams like the Raiders or Lions could find themselves vaulted to prominence after a single successful season.
Think about the ranking in these terms:
The Cardinals and the Niners played each other two times.
Both times the Cardinals offensive line was abused. Both times the 49er offensive line played a little better and a little tighter.
NFL.com has highlights of both games available. I recommend checking them out.

by superpsck on Jul 19, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

sports media opinions...

are almost always based on popularity and reputation and not facts… because of Warner’s popularity it will be automatically be assumed by the media that he was carrying the cards… so you’ll hear a lot of this talk about how the cards O-line not being good.

Only popular teams get respect from the media i remember Peter King saying that the Detroit lions would win the NFC west if they were in that division when he did his power rankings for the upcoming season… and he is supposed to be one of the better journalists that write about football. You have to expect a certain lack of faith in the cards from the media.

by rs85 on Jul 16, 2010 5:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I remember that

I thought King was more credible then that.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 16, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Every media artical I have read

Have the mdia taking the Cards O-line over the Niner’s O-line as they are right now, but taking the Niners over the Cards in the long run. What are you talking about? Warner is a HOF QB and now you have an unproven player taking his spot. Also having a QB that gets the ball off quick as opossed to holding it can make your O-line look better or worse. Medis opinions are based primarily on what has happened to your team since last year. Things change. I’m a niners fan but can’t base my opinions on what happened in the past, only on the now. Last year was last year, the 49ers have progresses and the Cards have regresses. The additions don’t make up for the losses.

by ericalancanty on Jul 18, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Warner

Everybody touts Warner’s ability to pass quickly, but I think that’s not truly the reason he was successful. Our line only gave up 28 sacks last season, yes credit Warner’s play, but also credit the style offense we ran. Quick reads and passes to get the ball in the hands of our receivers so they could make plays. Warner’s strongest attribute wasn’t his quick release but his accuracy. Last year we barely took any shots down the field yet we moved the ball very well and we were also the best team statistically in the red zone.
What Leinart brings will change an aspect of our passing game. Leinart isn’t as accurate as Warner and he doesn’t move in the pocket as well but he can get better. With more game experience Leinart’s feel for the position and his level of comfort grow. As he becomes more comfortable I think he will be able to operate at a respectable level and make the throws necessary to succeed as an NFL QB
Also our line is more geared towards running and if the end of the last season is a preview of our run game potential this year it seems it will be an effective one. Maybe not top ten, but much better than our 28th ranking last year. A run game that commands some respect should help our WR match ups allowing for Leinart to have higher % throws. He won’t have to squeeze the ball into 5 and 6 man secondary’s like Warner did.
The media never seems to mention the people we added to fill in positions of need that we were a weakness last year. The media often portrays our team as one that lost talent across the board when in fact we actually improved our lot in some categories. Even a rookie, who was considered “top ten” potential, should be an upgrade. Also our OLB’s who were absolutely terrible last season, and I mean terrible, have been upgraded.
Basically we have the pieces to be good, its just if the pieces fit.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that." - Bill Shankly

by Jessesb on Jul 18, 2010 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yet all of the media people think Anderson will be the best fit for our "vertical offense"...

Didn’t any of these people watch us last year!!!

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 18, 2010 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I strongly believe we are the experts when it comes to the Cardinals

Just because someone is on TV or is a former player, it doesn’t mean they know more about the Cardinals then we do.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gandy was horrible...

last year and single handedly was the cause for numerous floggings to Warners’ blindside. I totally agree with the statement that “Warner made the bunch look better.” Through all the games I have seen with Leinart, he holds onto the ball way too long. Instead of taking the risk and throwing it up for Fitz to make a play on, he holds onto it or makes a checkdown to a back. He’s going to get lit up this year and he is nowhere near as tough as Warner. Warner took shots the last several years yet stil managed to make the plays. I don’t see Leinart coming close to that.

Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!

by boogatt66 on Jul 16, 2010 5:33 PM MDT reply actions  

That may be so but it has nothing to do with the offensive line

If you feel that strongly that Matt will hold onto the ball too long, I could argue that we’d see the same result if he was behind any offensive line.

I agree about Warner’s toughness and that Matt does need to get rid of the ball quicker and take more chances, but we also saw him on limited action last season with no practice with the first team.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 16, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

No arguments about Gandy

he was pretty average when healthy so playing injured pretty much made him a turnstyle.

However, as a former OL yourself, give me your thoughts on blocking for an offense as unbalanced as ours. Doesn’t that make it very difficult for the line to establish itself? I’m not saying Warner’s ability to read a defense and getting the ball out quickly didn’t help our tackles (obviously it did) but at the same time if the offense wasn’t so one-dimensional it wouldn’t be such an issue in the first place. Which I’m guessing won’t be the case this season.

I completely agree that if we ask Leinart to do everything Warner did we’re asking for trouble. I’ve seen improvement in him but not to that degree.

by Long Beach on Jul 16, 2010 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

boogatt66. Let me be the 1st to welcome you to RotB. Now with that out of the way...

Where the heck have you been?

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Jul 16, 2010 8:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Out of town:-)

Sorry for the delay but to answer your question LongBeach, I don’t think having an unbalanced offense necessarily hinders or helps an O-line. It depends more on how it plays to their strengths. The Broncos of the late 90’s early 2000’s for example produced several 1000+ yard backs in succession. They ran a very complex blocking scheme based on traps and zone blocking to compensate for their lack of size across the line and were still one of the most successful lines in the game. If your strength across the line is Pass blocking and you pass the majority of the time you will be more successful. I don’t think however the Cards line excels in pass blocking rather they’re a very strong run blocking unit. The reason I think Warner made them look better was his quick release and ability to make things happen under center. I don’t think our line will suck this season either. We’re going to be a predominately run first offense and we have some bad-ass run blockers across the line. Lutui, Sendlein, Brown, Faneca, Keith… Come on, they are some freaking bruiser’s in the run game. I still think Leinart is going to take an ass load of sacks if they stray from the run…

Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!

by boogatt66 on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember seeing that ranking of the O-Line on the 49ers blog

And being surprised that the Run Blocking was 11th, and the Pass Blocking was 32nd. I have believed for a while though that the line was better at run blocking, and Leinart is quick enough now to buy himself the time that Warner couldn’t. I see them using a lot of quick drops and quick rhythm and timing passes to make up for that though.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 16, 2010 5:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Just to think about...

We were known as a passing offense and so we saw a lot of blitzes and didn’t pass much till the end of the season. Towards the end of the season when our run game started to bloom our line improved in both categories. I mean look at how many points we scored our last couple games versus sacks, QB pressures and TFL’s we gave up during those games and we actually improved a bit. Brown, Faneca, Sendlein, Lutui, Keith is much better than what we had last year. Improved run game means less blitzes which means less chances to test our line.
So lets all pray our run game kick ass this season.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that." - Bill Shankly

by Jessesb on Jul 16, 2010 9:20 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

Passing so much didnt help our line much….Now that we will be running as much as passing our guys will have a chance to wear out Dlinemen so when we do pass they may not have ALL the quickness necessary

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 16, 2010 10:49 PM MDT reply actions  

If Faneca had signed with any other team

they’d be talking about what a steal it was to pick up a 9-time? pro-bowler for less than half his actually salary. They’d be talking about how he probably has a couple of solid yet unspectacular years left in the tank and that signing him dramatically improves the line beyond his retirement due to his mentoring of the rest of the line.
But he signed with the Cardinals so like the 20+ sacks in 2 years Porter, he automatically sucks now. Hopefully they both respond well to the first time in their career getting the brunt of the Cardinals criticism and continuous underdog bashing.
GO CARDINALS!!!

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 16, 2010 11:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Bingo!

If it was the Lions releasing Faneca and he was picked up by the Cowboys, the media would have been falling all over themselves about what a coup this pickup was.

by toolman234 on Jul 19, 2010 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only real problem with Faneca is that he was never a great pass blocker

But he can still run block really well, and he can be a leader on the offense who can help teach the young guys.

Along with that little Pittsburgh West thing Whiz is trying to do…

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't think you get to 9 straight pro bowls as an offensive lineman

without ever being a great pass blocker. He’s not what he was obviously, but I refuse to buy into all the talk about how he’s terrible in pass protection. If that’s the case he shouldn’t have made the pro bowl last year let alone the 8 years prior to that. To go from 9 straight pro bowl worthy season performances to a terrible pass blocker just because he changed teams doesn’t make sense to me.

We just happened to sign him the season after he started to suck? With Whiz at the helm, not likely. Call me optimistic, but I think he’s the safest bet for solid offseason acquisition that we’ve signed this year or years prior.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 17, 2010 1:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is because WE signed him.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 17, 2010 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well Im sure some of his pass protection has dwindled. It only happens with age

But lets not forget that Russ Grimm is his offensive line coach now. I think that will make some difference.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 17, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

This comment is ridiculous

Which other players from last years pro bowl has this guy called “washed up”. What a bunch of nonsense.

by Birdman from Mesa on Jul 17, 2010 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

CRAP

All these writers disrespecting OUR Birds is a bunch of CRAP! Sure AT TIMES, our offense line has had it’s strugles. This article notes particular players, if we were so BAD, how did we get 1 game shy of the NFC Championship game? Luck? I don’t think so. There were alot of other offensive lines WATCHING OUR BIRDS in the PLAYOFFS!!! Their articles are all speculations, OUR Birds play as a TEAM! When one player misses a block, another helps out, that’s what we’re all about, TEAM WORK!

Will these same writers disrepect our offensive line when we return back to the playoffs??? GO CARDS…….GO THE FAITHFUL!!!!

by cardsfan1225 on Jul 17, 2010 8:45 PM MDT reply actions  

All good points cardsfan1225

Welcome to ROTB.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate this

I live in dallas right now and I hate it!! I had season tickets from 1989 to 1996 till I was layed off and had to move. The only way to see my cardinals is NFL ticket. All I hear around hear is how the cowgirls are going to kick the cards a__. The Cardinals get NO RESPECT!!

Live long and prosper

by 1airborne on Jul 17, 2010 11:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey at least the players have learned to use that disrespect to our advantage

Welcome to ROTB by the way.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Porter and Faneca

There is no denying both of them have a lost a few steps in their game…HOWEVER…We all know they were pretty much brought in to give the LB and OL some very much needed SWAGGER…

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 18, 2010 10:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Leinart may have the legs of a 27 yr old

but he does not move around in the pocket well, from what I have seen.

As always, I am pulling for Leinart to prove me wrong but I am much more excited by the two rookies. Even DA has a chance to correct some bad habits and be more effective than Matt. Again, I hope I am flat out wrong and Leinart manages a new look run first Cardinals team with an improved D to 10-6.

http://undrafteds.com/

by Undrafteds on Jul 18, 2010 11:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Leinart isn't bad in the pocket though

I have seen him feeling pressure coming at him and moving up in the pocket, and escaping sacks [like that 20 yard pass to Doucet in the Rams game].

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 18, 2010 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Compared to Warner's 38-year old legs

I’d say he holds the edge in that battle. We all know he’s not very mobile, but he can move if he needs to.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clueless, Clueless experts

Revisionist history is amazing. Warner lost his job with the Giants and with us in 2006 specifically because he was holding the ball too long which was causing sacks leading to fumbles. In fact, my biggest gripe with Warner throughout his career with us, including last year, was that he would hold the ball too long and force plays instead of throwing the ball away, something he NEVER did. The 4th Q of last years Carolina game comes to mind right away. That writers are saying this about Warner now that he is retired is actually quite stunning.
As far as OL being last in pass blocking, in the last 3 years we ranked 2nd, 2nd and 3rd in pass attempts yet ranked 6th, 7th and 6th in sacks per pass attempt, so how does that jive with a team that can’t pass block? Are we the best? No! Are we the worst? I would rank us somewhere between 12th-16th, depending on how well Keith and Faneca fit in and if Deuce gets his fat ass in shape. Continuity has been a key for this OL with Sendlein being the only change in the last 3 years, so there is some concern. But a veteran like Faneca blocking next to L.Brown should be fun and I can’t imagine Keith not being an upgrade over Gandy on the opposite side.
Now as far as whether or not Leinart will make the line look better or worse than with Warner here are the sacks per pass play between the 2 during their careers with AZ, and this includes scramble plays:
Warner: 1 sack per every 21.95 pass plays
Leinart: 1 sack per every 22.17 pass plays
But those numbers include 2006(now THAT was a bad OL). If you look at the numbers with the players(and coaching staff) we have had for the last 3 years:
Warner: 1 sack for every 23.75 pass plays
Leinart: 1 sack for every 29.00 pass plays
In conclusion, you can make alot of arguements about why AZ will struggle with Leinart replacing Warner, but it will not be because the OL will be under more pressure. The numbers just don’t bear it out.

by toolman234 on Jul 18, 2010 9:26 PM MDT reply actions  

I think they look at QB Pressures and Hits

Warner was nailed a lot as he was throwing, I think he was the most knocked down Quarterback in the NFL last year.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 18, 2010 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not even close

Az ranked 18th in the NFL in hits/knockdowns allowed. If you combine hits and sacks allowed they move up to 15th. And if you go one step further and you combine hits and sacks allowed per attempt, AZ moves up to 8th. And now we add Faneca and Hadnot to the mix and basically replace Gandy with Keith and the so-called experts think those numbers are going to get significantly WORSE! Just another case of writers, instead of doing some real research, just throwing crap against the wall and watching to see how much of it sticks! Personally, I think the OL is going to be one of the strengths of this team and it is the best and deepest OL we have had in over 20 years, probably longer.

by toolman234 on Jul 19, 2010 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I was certain I saw that stat somewhere. Don’t know why the pass blocking grade is so low then.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 20, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree tooman

I think we can easily argue the offense may struggle as a result of going from Kurt’s skills to Matt’s, but not because of a quick release.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 19, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for finding the sacks per pass attempt stat. I have yammered on endlessly about how much of a disadvantage our OL is at in such a one-dimensional offense, and how well they’ve held up in spite of it. If our OL was so bad why has our offense been so good?

Very good post.

by Long Beach on Jul 20, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

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I am a big fan of Profootball focus.
They provide fantastic discussion.
Compare this:

Biggest Concern: Levi Brown has struggled in pass protection since he was a rookie. Last year he gave up 9 sacks, 16 hits, 28 hurries and was penalized 11 times as a RT. Will a change to LT be the straw that breaks Leinart’s back?

to this
No. 26 — Chicago Bears (Run No. 20, Pass No. 23, Penalties No. 31)
The good news for Bears fans is that — incredibly — after moving to LT, Chris Williams turned a poor season around and played pretty well. Can he keep it up? Playing RT, he gave up 5 sacks, 9 hits and 27 hurries in 11 games. In the five games he played LT those fell to 2 sacks, 0 hits and 7 hurries.

The common link is moving from RT to LT.
Williams has proven an improvement can be found in moving to what’s conventionally thought of as “the harder” position. Consistency over the course of many seasons is hard to find, one of the factors contributing to such high player turnover in the NFL, but for those fans still sweating? Precedence is set; moving isn’t an impossible task.
Matt’s new blindside protector, Keith, will be fine. While playing RT in the preseason two seasons ago he looked very good (although not perfect). He played in a college offense that made pass blocking the top priority.

by superpsck on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 AM MDT reply actions  

I wonder if the writer realized what he was saying.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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