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Arizona Cardinals Training Camp Battles: Greg Toler vs Michael Adams


Toler photo via photoshelter.com

In a struggling attempt to muster out more stories from my drained and battered brain before Arizona Cardinals football begins, we'll take a look at some of the battles that will take place in training camp this year. Numerous match-ups will catch our attention and the winner may not always be the popular choice. One thing we can agree on is that Ken Whisenhunt will put the best players on the field regardless of how we feel. In this segment, we'll use five categories to evaluate the match ups: size, speed, athleticism, potential, and leadership/experience. I thought I'd start with a match up we've been discussing already this offseason:

Greg Toler vs Michael Adams

Both Toler and Adams are competing for a chance to start at cornerback alongside emerging star Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. They've already started at different times during OTAs. Toler is entering his second season, but is an intriguing prospect for 2010 after he played well against the Saints in the playoffs. Adams has been a special teams standout, but his size has burned him and the team in the past. He makes up for it with an abundance of heart.

Size: Toler

  • Toler clearly wins this battle. At 5'11, 191 pounds, he has the ideal size to play alongside DRC. Adams stands a mere 5'8, 181 pounds - a weakness that opponents can and will exploit.

Speed: Adams

  • In this case Adams' biggest weakness works as an advantage, considering he's one of the fastest players on the team. Toler hasn't shown much of his speed just yet.

Athleticism: Toler

  • Toler has unique abilities that tempted the Cardinals to draft him despite coming out of a small school in St. Paul's. His football and change-of-direction instincts are captivating. I think we've seen most of everything that Adams has to offer.

Potential: Toler

  • I doubt Toler would've been drafted by the Cardinals or let alone any other team if he didn't have loads of potential. The Cardinals are banking on him to apply that potential on the field very soon. It's a matter of if he can do it that's the question. Adams has some potential considering he's relatively young in his career, but not enough to draw much interest.

Leadership/Experience: Adams

  • Adams can be a leader on or off the field. He stayed late during offseason workouts this year to assist younger players with their form and technique. He's been in the league longer than Toler and has more experience to offer to the team at this point in their respective careers.

One thing we can never be sure about is how both players will perform in camp. We've heard positive reviews from both of the cornerbacks so far. Ken Whisenhunt values a player's experience, an edge that Adams holds over Toler. If Toler is going to start for the Cardinals next year, he must grasp the mental aspect of the game. Now I'll leave the question up to you.

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Who will win the training camp battle at cornerback?
Greg Toler
357 votes
Michael Adams
40 votes

397 votes | Poll has closed

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Going with Toler

I didn’t know Adams was that fast. Anyone know his 40 time so I can compare it to Toler’s 4.35.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 6, 2010 2:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Well if you want to get technical about it haha

In pads on the field I’d rule Adams as the faster guy. Although I do remember Toler chasing down Sproles in the preseason last year.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I recall some of the excitement out of drafting Toler last year

was his speed. Some reports even said he was faster than DRC without pads on. Adams may be pretty fast, unfortunately he usually showcases his speed when trying to catch up with the opponents WR…

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 6, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know that DRC is somewhere around 4.28

Having the two of them will help in Madden since having speed on the defense is all you really need now. Just look at the Raiders, it can be tough to pass on them because of how almost every cornerback they have has a speed rating in the 90s.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 6, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It sucks that you are right about Adams

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of the players mentioned

A lot of Adams’ playing time came with few reps, and against potent offenses. The Packers and Vikings come to mind. I think we’ll see some improvement from him, but it may not be enough if Toler plays the way everyone hopes he will.

by tw3kr on Jul 6, 2010 3:22 PM MDT reply actions  

how do we get 100+ votes all the time

and only about 20-30 blog contributing “typing voices”?

do we have a bigger crowd that doesnt write their opinions and only reads our thoughts?

by fansincejakenrob on Jul 6, 2010 3:52 PM MDT reply actions  

We have more visitors then you would think. I see 4-5 new accounts created a day

But no one contributes here. I wish it was different but maybe some are closet Cardinal fans. It’d be nice if we got more commentary around here.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know everyone gets tired of my "virtual" voice around here.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Jul 6, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I lurked for a couple of months before I joined last year.

I guess it is like that with a lot of the people here.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 6, 2010 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

I love to post on the site, but sometimes I am busy and just have little time, to check the articles and the comments, but hopefully once the season gets closer, more people will post… it’s great to express my opinion and be in touch, with so many persons who share the same love for my Cardinals… GO CARDINALS AND GO ROTB

paco cabrera

by pacocab on Jul 6, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I try and contribute when I can

but I get ridiculously busy at work and a lot of times just don’t have time to contribute. During the season I’m a lot more active on ROTB.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

by robloosli on Jul 6, 2010 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm sure that's the case with most people

It will pick up as the season hits

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

typically i would just read your articals and see different cards fans opinions. never really gave mine but i guess its time right. toler will win this battle base off of raw talent and hieght. adams has heart and expience but too small. remember DRC was exactly the same raw talent, now hes finally playing with smarts. so yeah TOLER WINS

by FineFool on Jul 7, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

BTW. Exactly how tall is Toler.

I’ve seen him from 5’10’’ to 6’0’’. Matter of fact on our roster here at ROTB he is listed at 6’0’’, but on the post at 5’10’’. Those two inches mean a lot with these taller WRs in the league.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Jul 6, 2010 5:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Not surprisingly

I’ve always seen him listed at 5’11". Here’s a link to an old article that was kind of prophetic

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11661486

At 5’11" (if that’s accurate) he’ll be fine because that’s what they list Revis at as well. I don’t know how tall Winfield is but he’s had a pretty productive career as well.

by Long Beach on Jul 6, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe Winfield

is only 5’9"

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 6, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds right

and I think most who’ve played would trade their career for his.

by Long Beach on Jul 6, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its 5'11 my mistake

At leas that’s what NFL.com has it as

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

thats what she said chev

The Devil Birds just got cha

by DaCards on Jul 7, 2010 4:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

i dont think

that players size matters, just look at what maurice jones-drew has done, sometimes jags use him in like 5 straight plays, adams has the speed and expierence. when a rookie player gets used to the type of playing in 2 seaso, adams is one of those players whos game will build on with years. put him on a few plays during time to time and he`ll get what he needs; experience

by eduardonwa on Jul 6, 2010 6:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Maurice Jones-Drew

doesn’t have to win any jump balls against WR’s that range anywhere from 5’7" – 6’5". Most receivers these days are over 6’ so Adams will lose a majority of those contests.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 6, 2010 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

The thing is

maurice jones drew is a running back a position in which height doesnt play a huge factor. When your a cornerback however if the opposing wr has a huge height advantage its easy for the other team to take advantage of it on deep balls or balls thrown in the back or corner of the end zone

by BIGRED CARDINAL on Jul 6, 2010 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

In most cases

Size is important in football. Running back is a rare position that really doesn’t matter. And there are some cases where it’s not a factor, like Winfield

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

The "Real" Steve Smith?

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Jul 6, 2010 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

i meant toler when i was talking about experience lol :)

by eduardonwa on Jul 6, 2010 6:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Rooting for both... hopefully Toler shows up

It´s hard not to like Adams, he is all heart, but I think he has or is very close to reach his ceiling as a player, and has been exposed in the past… on the other hand when I hear that some people in the organization, believe that Toler is more athletic than DRC, I just hope they are right and we have to shutdown corners, Adams is great playing special teams, but Toler is the one we need to show that talent… and I don’t think Adams is faster than Toler, the Packers completed long passes beating him, so I don’t think he is that fast, at least not in the DRC range, hope Toler can be as good as DRC, that is something I have only dream of for so long, since Aeneas Williams, we haven’t had strong corners and maybe if Toler pans out, we can have a great duo, maybe the best in the division. GO ADAMS AND TOLER AND GO CARDINALS…

paco cabrera

by pacocab on Jul 6, 2010 6:29 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

I don’t think there is any doubt that Toler is a far superior athlete to Adams.

by Long Beach on Jul 6, 2010 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree

As for speed based on what we’ve seen from both, I’d rule Adams the quicker guy. We can combine speed, agility, and acceleration into one category in this case.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very true

And scary to think of them, Adubb, and Rhodes all together

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

D-block?

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that." - Bill Shankly

by Jesse Reynolds on Jul 7, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still skeptical

last year most of us thought that DRC, McFadden, Rolle and A-dub were going to be one of the best secondaries in the league…remember how that turned out.

Also like last year, this unit has the potential to be great, but will live or die by a more consistent pass rush from the outside.

Section 135, Row 35

by AJ BirdWatcher on Jul 7, 2010 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very true AJ

We wont know until the season begins. We know what we’re getting from Wilson and DRC, but Toler and Rhodes are an unknown. I was never sold on Rolle.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
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by Andrew602 on Jul 7, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I loved Rolle's athleticisim

But he was a feast or famine player with a lot of blown coverages. Liked the thought of him in the wildcat a lot!

by Birdman from Mesa on Jul 7, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember what happened last year

Three players voted to the Pro-Bowl and the weakest link traded away…

by tw3kr on Jul 10, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

I didn’t want to sound too optimistic but that was what I was really thinking, and with the improved pass rush, they will be leading the league in Interceptions…

paco cabrera

by pacocab on Jul 6, 2010 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I would trade

Jerheme Urban’s left AND right nut plus Michael Adam’s for Darrelle Revis. Then we’d have the best CB duo in the league by far.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 6, 2010 6:43 PM MDT reply actions  

I would trade every part of Urban

Although they probably wouldn’t want his hands.

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds

by Andrew602 on Jul 6, 2010 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

There’s nothing I could type that would describe how funny that was Andrew. Stroke of brilliance. Well played sir.

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 6, 2010 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

hope golady is a cards fan

Go Cards .. Improvement in the off season . after terrible defections ..
You guy’s kicked some butt !! hope you’re rewarded w/ wins !!!!!

by "NUTS" on Jul 6, 2010 8:33 PM MDT reply actions  

ditto

welcome to ROTB

by cardsfanforlife24 on Jul 6, 2010 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Welcome "NUTS"

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds

by Andrew602 on Jul 7, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I say Doctor C and Toler

Toler can’t get expierance without playing.

by Emon on Jul 7, 2010 9:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Welcome to the site Emon

What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds

by Andrew602 on Jul 7, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I

like the idea of DRC and Toler as two standout CBs for the Cardinals. It sounds good to have two small school guys playing. But I think that DRC will start with Adams opposite him. Adams isn’t that bad and has more experience. He just needed to be in more games instead of McFadden playing in front of him. Toler at this point should be brought in for certain defensive plays to get more experience. Then if Toler excels in those I see more playing time as a starter.

by kj197728 on Jul 7, 2010 3:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Think you nailed it on the head...

Safe to say Toler is #2 by week 6…but then again for all we know the other DB’s we picked up and drafted may shock us all…it’s a fairly young group of DB’s we have now…I believe we will have one of the youngest D’s in the nfl very shortly…Adub will be the old man of the group…but I dont think there is one cardinals fan in the world that would say it’s a bad thing…

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 7, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m pulling for Adams, but he was picked on badly at times. The GB game was probably as low as it goes for him, but I don’t know that this is the scheme for him to consistently shine (a Tampa 2, think Winfield).

by superpsck on Jul 10, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

As far as activity, I for one will be getting more involved so one more voice, right?

I’d say the average height for NFL CB’s is right around 5’10". For whatever reason guys who can cover AND are over 6’ seem to drop off. I guess you gain two inches you either lose speed or hips (or something).

I love everything about Adams but that height and the awareness when the ball is in play (ok, the second one is huge).
Fearless tackling and speed. A special teams dynamo.

by superpsck on Jul 10, 2010 6:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Think you're right about height

Being 6’4" I always lacked a little burst, but had the stride to keep up with anybody (the high school gym-yard may not the best judge). Hips, agility, acceleration, there’s usually something. I imagine technique and conditioning can compensate for a lot of it, which is why you usually only hear about one particular issue with each tall player. A lot of times, the tall ones are coveted for sheer physical mass — they are harder to jostle around.

Being too short presents similar problems. Little legs limit your top speed. Just watch LSH. He’s running so quickly but it’s a little deceptive because he’s not chewing up that much ground. Then there’s also the problem we’ve seen both he and Adams faced with, the fact that they’re just not big enough to deal with press coverage or heavy traffic. While Adams has the high jump to take the ball away from even Fitz and the recovery speed to make up some ground when beaten (or tossed aside), it’s not always enough.

by tw3kr on Jul 10, 2010 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

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