Thoughts on the Leinart Situation
For those of you that have been living under a rock lately, Coach Whisenhunt surprised all of us by saying that Derek Anderson was going to be the starter in Saturdays game against the Bears instead of Matt Leinart. Now, he has made it clear that this isn't necessarily a permanent change and he wants to see how some players react after being shuffled around in the lineup, but that didn't stop the **** storm from the media that we are getting now about how Leinart is awful and how Derek Anderson is going to be the starter from now on.
UPDATE: Leinart said what he thinks about everything that happened this morning, and I'm posting the link on the bottom of the article.
Now, for my feelings on this. I don't like this move. I think that Matt has outplayed Derek in training camp, and even though Matt hasn't been great in the preseason at least he hasn't thrown two picks like Derek has so far. I think that Matt should have gotten from the start of the game until sometime in the 3rd quarter to play and try to get some of the kinks in his game out on Saturday. But, Matt could also benefit by playing well with the second teams where he won't have Julius Peppers coming at him, and he will also have Beanie instead of Hightower to hand the ball off to and that should help out the running game too.
I also remember Whiz doing something like this before. Looking back at the 2008 Preseason, Matt started two of the Preseason games that year while Kurt was the starter in the other two. And we all know that he does things a little differently than most coaches, he said that while the 3rd Preseason game is looked at like a dress rehearsal, he doesn't see it that way. He treated that week 17 game against the Packers game like a Preseason game, but he was really trying out formations and seeing how the Packers would react, and then we got to see Kurt Warner go back into 1999 form for his final game at University of Phoenix Stadium. Whisenhunt is a very smart man, and although he makes weird decisions sometimes, there is a plan behind all of this. He is the Joker.
But now, because Derek Anderson is going to be the starter on Saturday, the media has feasted on this story like sharks drawn to a fat man with a stab wound in his stomach floating in the middle of the ocean. Seeing all of the updates about this story on ESPN, NFL Network, and pretty much everyone on the internet saying that we are going to be awful this year just makes you lose your mind. I am so sick of this story, but it won't go away unless Matt lights it up. And even then it might not because of how many fans and people in the media absolutely hate the guy (If he lead the Cardinals to the Super Bowl, and won it. I think there would still be people saying that he is a bust), I'm sure that Matt is getting sick of everything too. Being the Quarterback of the Future in 2006 and having a solid rookie year with numbers comparable to what Joe Flacco put up in 2008 to becoming probably the most polarizing person in Arizona sports right now. Where you either love him, or you want him to die so you can dance on his grave. The pass he threw to Larry Fitzgerald against Houston looked fine to me, I just thought the Safety went in low and that is the only reason Fitz got hurt (thanks for making that the only place you can hit a receiver Goodell, the only good thing you have done is the tougher player conduct policy)
Just looking at the stats between the two of them, I don't see why this move is being made either.
| Name | Completions | Attempts | Completion % | Yards | Yards Per Attempt | TDs | Ints | QB Rating |
| Matt Leinart | 10 | 13 | 76.9% | 77 | 5.9 | 0 | 0 | 90.9 |
| Derek Anderson | 24 | 41 | 58.5% | 193 | 4.7 | 1 | 2 | 58.3 |
Leinart hasn't sustained enough of his drives, but I think he has looked better than Anderson so far. But Anderson has also gotten a lot more time to play than Leinart has. And the only real good drive we have seen from Leinart out of the 6 or 7 that he has done was in the first Preseason game against Houston where Feeley missed a field goal. But at least the guy hasn't thrown any picks, and better yet he hasn't thrown two of them deep in Cardinals territory like Anderson did in week 1. Leinart needs to get a good drive going on Saturday, but he also wasn't getting much help in the first two games with a running game that couldn't get anything going and the offensive line allowing immediate pressure on him as soon as the ball was snapped.
Looking at the two of them, I think that Leinart has a better understanding of the offense, I think besides that deep throw to Stephen Williams that he misfired on (could have been misscommunication though) he has been accurate. The biggest problem I have seen when he was in is that the Offense Line has been dreadful when he was in the game, and he has hardly any time to throw so he has to go to a check down so he isn't being sacked on every play. He does look like he has been tentative though, like he doesn't want to make any mistakes. If he has a good game on Saturday it could help get his confidence back up to the point where he is willing to take some more shots during the games.
As for Anderson, the guy is just too damn inconsistent. He can make a perfect deep throw like the one to Stephen Williams, and then right after that he can miss a couple of easy throws, like the ones to Steve Breaston and Williams in the endzone where he should have had a touchdown on both throws. It seems like he rifles every pass he throws, when he should be putting some touch on those passes. But with how the Cardinals offense was a small ball dink and dunk offense last year that required you to be accurate on the short quick passes I don't see how he would work out in that style of play. It would have to be a similar system to the one he had in Cleveland to succeed, but near the end of 2007 people found out how to stop Anderson looking at how he had 20 TDs and 9 Picks going into week 11 of that season, but over the last 7 games he had 9 Touchdowns and 10 Picks. And following that he just imploded, but losing every weapon you had in Cleveland doesn't help either.
I do think that people are looking into this story too much, we don't even know if Anderson will be the starter in week 1 or not. Now, if that happens, then this will be a big story. But until then, it is just seeing how the other guy plays when he starts the game with the 1st team. If he struggles, if he plays well, if he is just okay, and thats it. Maybe Anderson is just starting as a way to help him learn the system better. But overall, I think that unless Leinart has a complete meltdown of a game, he will still be the starter in week 1 against the Rams. And I think that he will have a decent year, something like 8 or 9 wins with 3,500 yards, 25 TDs, 13 Picks.
Now, lets wait and see how these guys do tomorrow before we write off any of them.
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I’m not totally down on Leinart. As you noted the OL has done him no favors at all. That said, he hasn’t look good in the preseason – but we’ve seen very little of him. To me it’s the coaching decision that is odd. If this is actually a competition then I don’t understand why he’s been given so very few snaps to show what he can do. If this isn’t a competition name a starter and be done with. I’m definitely not buying the idea that it’s all a big charade to fool other teams. As far as not wanting to gameplan the preseason or show anything – I understand that. But given how Matt has looked on the field so far, he needs the dress rehearsal even if the coaching staff doesn’t.
Unfortunately the way this is being played leads me to believe the pundits are right – the coaching staff doesn’t like Leinart and have painted themselves into a corner where they’re stuck with Anderson starting. If they are that down on Leinart they should have admitted it to themselves much earlier and found a better option than Anderson for this year. I suspect we’ll end up like the Browns last year – rotating ineffective QBs and spinning our wheels.
I don't think Whis will let himself get painted into a corner by anyone, especially not himself.
The pundits can say whatever they want. Whis will do what he chooses to do, for his own reasons. He never let’s the vampires get to him. If Anderson ends up starting the regular season it’s because Anderson showed Whis the most potential to move the offense and win games. It’s hard to believe they won’t give Leinart every opportunity to prove himself with what they’ve invested in the guy.
there is no other coach like whiz really out there
this maybe homer talk and i dont even know if it is:
I really think that whiz is doing to create the &*$# storm you were talking about. everyone and their mom is saying leinart got benched he’s horrible. that way come the regular season we actualy see what leinart is working with and all our opponents are caught off guard.
by fansincejakenrob on Aug 27, 2010 10:26 AM MDT reply actions
I just want to win...don't care who!
I will say this DA brings a spark ML doesn’t…his presence and leadership are much more felt on the field than ML has ever done in four years….guess Saturday is make or break for both I guess unless they both play bad LOL!
Sometimes we only have to read our own work to figure out the answers we're seeking
Joe – Reread your line and tell me how it sounds:
Besides getting first downs, and putting points on the board, Leinart has been better than Anderson.
? Getting first downs and putting points on the board is exactly why DA is starting against the Bears. I’m still hoping for the best with Leinart, but he hasn’t delivered on what we thought we saw in the off-season in terms of his projected improvement. He’s not moving the chains, isn’t inspiring the offense, his lack of arm strength has shortened the field considerably, and he stretched Fitz out over the middle (which becomes more of an issue when the defense can crowd into a box the way they do against him).
This is a wake-up call for Leinart, and if he doesn’t answer it with something more against the Bears it may be the last one he gets.
by Long Beach on Aug 27, 2010 11:25 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I probably could have worded that better.
I agree, he does need to sustain a drive, but he hasn’t turned the ball over like Anderson has. And Anderson still has accuracy issues.
That is why I said that Leinart has outplayed Anderson.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
The point being
41 attempts gives you more opportunities to move the ball, 13 doesn’t (unless you are wearing 13).
Thinking about that, maybe it’s a curse or omen… Warner was number 13, Leinart has only thrown 13 passes, gets benched like… Warner and than.. ? Who knows lol.
Honestly, I am on the same page as Joe but I do not care for either QB. DA is inconsistent and ML doesn’t have “it”, that leadership intangible. At the end of the day I choose not having “it” over missing wide open WR’s in the end zone. In all reality though, I just want to win and not be a bottom dweller so who ever wins us games, be it DA or ML, I will jump on their respective bandwagon.
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that." - Bill Shankly
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
Agree about not caring who leads us to wins, so long as it happens.
Keep in mind part of the reason DA has 41 attempts is because he’s moving the chains (hard to get a lot of attempts when you’ve mastered the three and out routine). His “accuracy” should be good when none of his passes go beyond 10 yards.
Looking forward to seeing how each one does in the other’s role. Will the real Cards QB please step forward???
This is kinda wrong
DA got so much time in game 1 because he sucked big-time, and Whis wanted to give him the chance to do something. He came in so early in game 2 because Whis wanted to see him against the Titans’ first-team D, because they showed more than the Texans. I really doubt he made the switch because he was concerned the first-teamers weren’t moving the ball. In a regular season game, this would be a concern, yes. Leinart would have had more attempts if the offense had performed better while he was in, but the number of possessions are also way off-whack (Leinart: 6, DA: 15). (Sidenote: interesting that DA’s accuracy is worst when none of his passes go for more than 10 yards? Maybe we should just roll them into one ugly SOB so we can keep Hall and Skelton, too)
It could be an audition for DA to win the starting job, or, if we’re going to take Whis’ word, it’s just an opportunity to familiarize DA with the offense better just-in-case, and to learn about how he’s going to react in certain game situations. It may sound a little bit conspiracy theory, but Whis already knows what Leinart is capable of, and knows that Leinart already has the system down, so these glorified practice snaps aren’t as important for him. (Trying to keep the faith here)
I don’t want to see DA go out there and flub his way through a 3-INT game, but it’s going to be important for Matt to have a decent outing.
Whisenhunt was quoted as saying he wanted to let Anderson get into a rhythm
which makes sense, as Houston was his first live action in our offense. Not to beat a dead horse, but Leinart has been in it for three full seasons now. There was a noticeable turn in the attitude of the offense when DA took over in the TN game.
Again, I don’t care which one steps up and shows they are a true #1, just so long as one of the them does before the games start to count.
Leinart 0 points off of 6 possessions
Anderson 9 points off of 15 possession 10 points to opposing teams due to turn overs
My math might be wrong but in my eyes matt has us tied in a game while DA is losing by 1
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Aug 27, 2010 7:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
All this is for nothing!
The Cardinals dont have winning pre-seasons. Look at the games against Green Bay last year. The “Press” had us done before the first snap in the play-offs. They want the Cards to be like the other Super Bowl losers, to fall apart and disapear. There is no way they want to write about a Cardinal team that has won their division and a play-off game 5 years in a row. So they bash them in hopes they can destroy them like the Philidelphia media did to their team.
Everyone wants to be the one to say “I told you so!” and Nobody wants to be “Flat” wrong, so they are doing what they do. I just want to say that Matt needs to ignore this crap. If the Cards want to become a stable force in the NFL, Matt is the guy not DA. Anderson is the guy coming off the bench. Does he do that well has yet to be seen.
by Reo Hays on Aug 27, 2010 12:22 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
My $0.02
The first thing I have to get off my chest is the issue of everyone saying Matt lacks leadership intangibles and has terrible body language in the huddle and on the field. I do kind of agree so far this preseason, but I know he has it in him. I remember back in 2006 when Matt first took over the starting job he was incredibly poised in the huddle. During the MNF game against (coincidentally) the Bears, when we collapsed and Denny Green had his infamous post-game blow up, Leinart was mic’d up for the game and his soundbites were really reassuring. He was fired up and did a great job of leading the team down the field. The only thing that killed us in that game was Denny calling dive left every play for -.5 yards after we had the lead.
I think this situation will really show us what Leinart can do. By going in the second and third quarter, he’ll get a lot more reps than he was seeing as the preseason starter. The O-line also seemed to protect a lot better for DA the last 2 games, which was kind of a theme for them the last 2 years. They seem to take a possession or two to settle down and get going. Finally, the fact that Matt will be playing with Beanie will make a huge difference. Hightower has looked pretty bad this preseason, in large part because of the O-line, but he also doesn’t have the ability to turn nothing into something like Wells can. I think we see Leinart come out with a fire and really move the offense.
I don't think I've heard the soundbites besides the one on the "Best Comebacks of all time" video NFL Network did.
Link or explanation of what he said in there?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
It was pretty much the same stuff as that video
They played a few more things during the game, I remember they had his celebrations after touchdowns too. But in general he just sounded confident, energetic, and like a leader
I think it's funny how everyone keeps writing off ML as a bust
I mean, his rookie year (the only season in which Leinart has played in the regular season extensively) was pretty darn good for a team that had no OL, no running game, and a terrible coaching staff. Yes, he did not perform well in the beginnings of 2007 and 2008 but his losing the top job was more due to Warner taking total command and being BA in general. There is no shame in that.
So we get to preseason this year, and after two measly games people are already writing off Leinart again. Mind you, our line has been terrible, Matt has had an average of 1 second to find an open receiver, and it doesn’t help that Hightower keeps forgetting which endzone is the opposing team’s. Yes he has missed on a few throws (like the one to Williams) but nobody is perfect. Kurt missed on plenty of throws last year but we still won a playoff game.
I am actually happy that Anderson is starting this game, with the first string defense (and OL) out of the game Matt will actually get some time to throw…
Wow, DA's pct completion is 58.8? That's better then I thought
Regarding Matt, he really needs to get his swagger and confidence back, the type we’ve seen back in 06.
Leinart is going to be on Gambo and Ash in 15 minutes.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Quotes from Whiz
Whisenhunt in March: “Obviously, it’s not an open competition. Matt has earned the right to be in this spot and be the guy and that is the way it’s going to go forward. But (Anderson) will get reps, he will get an opportunity to compete because that is the way we have handled things.”
Whisenhunt in June: “You see it in (Matt’s) confidence, how he runs the huddle and how he sees the plays. His reads are much more decisive. He is throwing the ball with confidence. And I think he knows what is in front of him. It’s obvious to me he’s more comfortable with the whole process, not just throwing a pass or knowing where guys line up. He understands the concepts of the plays and he has the ability to get us in and out of certain plays, all those things you see more assuredness from him. I am excited with what he has done in the OTAs so far.”
Whisenhunt in July: “Seeing Kurt work has had a big impact on Matt. Anytime a player like Kurt works like he does, and has that success, it’s going to rub off. Matt’s done a nice job. He’s had a good spring.”
And now all of this? Doesn’t make any sense…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Maybe it does ...
Maybe that’s why Whiz has only given Matt limited plays, he’s comfortable with him and what he can do. He’s playing Anderson more because he gives all of his players, regardless of position, a chance through competition. He’s giving DA more time because he hasn’t seen anything out of him yet.
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
That's my thinking
It was stated that this is not a change in the depth chart. I’m disappointed because I wanted to see Leinart play a whole half with the starters and get something going, but it sounds like he’ll get more play-time in this way.
Sadly, right now it means March, June, and July
haven’t translated to what he thought it would in August.
DA's perpetual defects
JoeCB - I’ve watched DA through his years with the Browns, and you’ve hit the nail on the head in identifying 2 defects (they’re not the only ones) that will forever keep him from being what his wonderful arm promises -
(1) DA cannot throw short passes. It isn’t just a lack of touch, though that is a major problem. He just can’t hit receivers consistently within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. It’s remarkable. He’ll throw a rope 40 yards and hit a receiver in the numbers, but he’ll consistently miss people in the flat and on short slants. It’s maddening, and he did it every single game he played in Cleveland.
(2) And I don’t doubt for a second Leinart has a better grasp of the offense. Watching DA run a 2 minute drill I sometimes felt I could’ve done a better job when I was 8 years old. He’ll never check down to the 3d or 4th receiver. As far as I could tell from his years in Cleveland, he never had a clue where they were. He seems to have no vision for the field, and he doesn’t seem to have the instincts that tell him what he’s got to do in any given situation in the game.
Give him time and his primary receiver downfield and you’ll be convinced he’s the second coming of Dan Fouts. But he’s never yet shown the skills of a starting NFL QB in the absence of those conditions.
Matt and Derek the terribly fab twosome.
I am so glad that Coach Wiz does not disappoint when it comes to stirring up sports journalistic excrement. We are entering the final stages of preseason with almost no injuries. I wish we had captured Toby Gerhart and Ryan Wolfe in the off season but there is still time. Atlanta does not seem to know what they have in Wolfe and the Vikings are putting a target on the back of Gerhart by overusing him. If Atlanta does not hold onto Wolfe I urge The Cards to pick him up as a go to guy for Leinart when he gets flushed from the pocket, Wolfe is money in the bank when it comes to having a nose for the ball. Anderson is a decoy that needs all the reps he can get prior to the start of the season. Leinart will be just fine as long as coach Wiz does not become predictable with the “run on first down” mentality. A “run on third down” mentality will keep any defense honest especially if he crosses them up with a flea flicker every third or fourth series of downs that allow for for a third and short. The way I see it the Cards should start the season with two wins away (the Rams and the Falcants) that will set the table for busting up Oakland and then travel down the freeway to remove the heart of the San Diego Chargers after S.D get bruised up by KC and the Jags. I think the Chargers will have a lot of self doubt if they win in a squeeker over Seattle and face an undefeated Cardinals team looking for a tune-up prior to facing the world champ Saints.
I predict that the Saints and Cards will meet in a matchup that everyone will be talking about the Saints, as the team to beat on the road to the superbowl and the Cardinals have been lucky to have had such a light schedule to start the season. They will claim that Atlanta was the victim of bad luck and San Diego was not the team that was advertised in the pre-season. Even after the Cardinal Defense opens a can of whup-ass on N.O. and wins the game going away the experts will say that the true challenge for the Arizona team will be the Forty-Niners. Only problem is, the Niners don’t see the Cardinals until week 12 and the season may be over for them by their bye week at the start of November. The Arizona team may be on cruise control by that time playing their complete roster to give everyone experience and inspiration. Don’t be surprised to see Kurt Warner on the field with his arm around his protege’ yucking it up several times during the season. It may sound too good to be true but I have faith in coach Wiz and the manner in which he demands respect from his players, ask Anquan Boldin who’s the boss? He will show you the splinters he had removed from his rear from riding the pine. Matt Leinart knows that Wiz is just being Wiz and reminding the Young Buck on what side his bread is buttered on. Leinart will not try to test the old man and he will become a great because of it and the lessons he learned from Mr. Warner on how to conduct oneself as a man and as someone to emulate on and off of the field.
Good luck and my prayers go out to to you Matt Leinart for your continued success and blessings that you have waited patiently for. It’s Game time young man, wear your uniform well and with the dignity the young fans deserve from their sports heros.
by AZ retiree on Aug 28, 2010 5:03 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
If the Cardinals go into the bye week 5-0 there will be a lot of shoe sandwich on the menu.
That’s a tall order. I won’t say it’s not possible but the odds are long. Shutting down Phillip Rivers is the key to beating San Diego. New Orleans will be a tough nut to crack. The Cards were torn up when they met in the playoffs. It will be an interesting grudge match. Hopefully this time we enter and finish the game with a healthy team. Both those teams can run up the score in short order. I’d like to see the Cardinals get back to doing that too.
The Chargers without Vincent Jackson and the offensive lineman [I think his name is Marcus McNiel] will be a lot easier to beat.
And we got them early in the year when they don’t play well.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Don't remember Q riding the pine all that much, save for injury
However, I do believe Matt is going to shock a lot of analyists and shut some people up. I too look forward to seeing what a healthy Cards team can do with the Saints.
by Birdman from Mesa on Aug 29, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions

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