Leinart is angry, thinks that demotion is for reasons "beyond football"
I was going to wait until tomorrows batch of links to post this, but it is too big of a story for me to wait on. Leinart spoke earlier today and he feels like he has outplayed the other QBs and that this decision is because of something "beyond football". Matt said that he hasn't talked to the coach yet about all of this during the interview or the press conference, but Mike Jurecki said they have spoken to each other now. Hopefully they can settle their differences with each other.
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I saw Urban answer someone's question about which QB he thought
had the upper hand. He said DA was “in a real good place right now”
by Birdman from Mesa on Aug 30, 2010 4:51 PM MDT reply actions
thankfuly we only have one more year of this, at most. bad news is this
2011: $7.36 million (+ $5.5 million roster bonus due on first day of league year)
If he stays, they would have to renegotiate his contract.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I don't think there is any way Leinart stays if he's not the starter.
That’s probably what he hoped to accomplish by making these comments. Make it clear he wouldn’t be a back up and force an honest meeting with Whisenhunt.
I once tried to quit a job using a dry erase board. Unfortunately I wrote the first part in Sharpie so I couldn't finish.
Here's the quote from Urban's blog
Whiz did say it is “always dicey” to have a rookie as a backup, should something happen and the Cards decide to move one of their veterans. But he did say both Max Hall and John Skelton have impressed him and he feels more comfortable about such a possibility than he did before camp
I once tried to quit a job using a dry erase board. Unfortunately I wrote the first part in Sharpie so I couldn't finish.
by Greg Esposito on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
It looks increasingly like this is the case
but it depends a little bit on which journalist you are reading. I’m just gonna wait and see.
I'm only going by Whisenhunt's actual words.
He’s opened the door for Leinart by implying he could be ok with a rookie back up. It remains to be seen if Leinart walks out, gets tossed out, or closes the door.
If I am Whiz
I don’t let Leinert get away with publicly questioning my motives. If the child legitimately had a question as to what he could do better he should have gone directly to the coach instead of saying it’s “probably not football related” On top of that he’s delusional enough to think he severely outplayed his competition when a qb who is brand new to the system has matched or exceeded his play for 2 straight starts
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
Who seeks peace must prepare for war.
by Donwhon121 on Aug 30, 2010 8:50 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
How has he exceeded Matt's play?
You must be joking.
goes both ways
Whiz said ‘you are the starter’
Whiz said ’it’s Matt’s job to lose’
Whiz said ‘we are just switching for this game’
Whiz leaves DA in for a LONG time (same time Leinart got and his performance would have looked worse than Leinart)
Whiz states ‘I have to look at intangibles’ when asked if Leinart was still the starter
so far, Leinart has said NOTHING publicly and by his surprise you know hearing it in the media was first he knew anything had changed
so please, spare us from your spoiled QB/wise old coach claptrap. Whiz has so far mishandled this to the nth degree, if he is starting Leinart. And if he is ditching Leinart for DA, hello 5-11, where are the paper bags to wear, we can all draw Whiz faces on them
oh, and Mr Swaggering Bullet to the opposing linebackers did not even remotely outplay Leinart, thye only thing delusional would be to suggest he did.
by scsa69 on Aug 30, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
With Leinart as the starter we got beat by two first-string units
when DA started we didn’t. Shocking what moving the chains does for a running game. Since I can’t get an answer from anyone else who thinks they understand the QB position better than the Whiz, what is it that you know that he doesn’t?
These games also don't count
It’s called PRE-season for a reason. Nobody cares when baseball pitchers get lit up in the preseason, only to do well when the games matter.
It also helps when your line gives you more than 1.5 seconds to make a read and throw, which we can all agree DA had better blocking in his time in.
I seem to recall Whisenhunt complimenting DA for getting the ball out quicker
and a more fired-up huddle. Possible connections there?
I do agree
that DA is better at getting the ball out fast, and throwing well while taking a hit. But if the linemen need Derek to “fire them up” in order to do their jobs, they don’t deserve to be paid.
Kind of agree with you on that
I hear what you’re saying, but that goes back to having confidence in the guy with the ball – that is a dynamic you see on every team at every level of play. This is where I think (conceding the idea of think as opposed to knowing, not having any direct knowledge of his command of the huddle) Leinart has consistently lacked in his pro career – getting back to that “it” factor.
what ???
DA got it out ‘Quicker’ ? The Coach actually made that statement ? He had 3 times more time to pass than Leinart had and used it. How was that getting it out quicker ?
oh, wait, his swagger so blinded the poor deluded fool he didn’t notice the time going by when DA had the ball. I don’t get any of this. I fully expect a scandal to erupt about Whiz, DA and hot-tubs because nothing else I have seen can remotely explain ANY of this to me.
Anyone want to Photoshop Whiz's head onto Matt's body in the Hot Tub
And make DA into one of the chicks in the tub?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
No offense Joe
but listening to you and scsa69 I’d think that Leinart’s hot tub ladies have taken over your screen names – serious man crushes you guys have on him.
Glad to see some fire and fight
But too little too late.
And ps, outplayed? No way, not played well enough? Yes.
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that." - Bill Shankly
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 30, 2010 8:56 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Leinart has outplayed Anderson...kind of
Derek Anderson 31/53 287 yards (58.5%) 5.4 yards/attempt 2 TD, 2 INT QB rating 70.2
Matt Leinart 19/23 161yards (82.6%) 7.0 yards/attempt 1 TD, 0 INT QB rating 110.3
On the surface Matt’s stats do look a lot better, but when looking at moving the chains and sustaining drives Leinart has only produced 8 first downs in 9 total series to Derek’s 21 in 14 series. Derek does make mistakes but you cannot argue that the offense is stale with him at the helm.
One thing to note also is the defenses these two were going against
against Houston Leinart played the Texans’ first stringers and Anderson played primarily the second and third string guys. Houston is expected to have one of the better defensive lines in the NFL, as Leinart was running for his life most of the game while Anderson got better protection.
-against Tennessee again Leinart played the first-stringers and Anderson played the second team
-Against Chicago Anderson started and played the first string defense, and when Leinart worked it looked like the first stringers were still in, however the Bears were missing Urlacher for the game and Briggs at this point.
This is not an easy decision to make… I think with our D and running game we should be fine no matter who starts. But all of the negativity coming out of a quarterback contraversy does not give us good karma.
The activity in this place really has blown up since this debacle started...
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Imagine if the Cardinals were on Hard Knocks instead of the Jets....
It would probably be even more packed here with all the controversy that would create…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
That would be a fire storm, there would be thoughts from all over the league
speaking of which, I read a somewhat surprising article over at the USC site (you probably linked it) where even they were calling Leinart out for his reaction (at least some, I haven’t looked at it recently).
I shouldn’t really say surprising, a lot of people here were skeptical when I told them I thought Leinart would be fine this season.
The USC Blog on here?
I haven’t looked at that one yet, but I’ll go check it out.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
There's another report Leinart will get cut.
These national guys are reporting this stuff without Hard Knocks being here. If it was I can only imagine the crazy things that would be reported and said.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6384866/24217438
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by Greg Esposito on Aug 30, 2010 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Good reading
I know they can’t, but I would really like to know who they’re talking to. I will agree that it has to be giving the coaching staff some sleepless nights, what they’re supposedly contemplating is very gutsy.
I saw it too
I was going to post the link with all of the other ones I saw tomorrow.
I don’t really buy these things unless they say who told them that.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
"I Am a Dope"
Think I might need to start writing my essay.
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
Assuming they both have okay games this week
Do you think they keep Leinart around in case DA sucks? If we turn into a Cleveland-type situation…….
I think so
but it is a tough situation. Let’s say one of them gets hurt, do you really want a rookie starting? Of course, does anyone believe that either Hall or Skelton clear waivers? Do you keep Leinart knowing it’s a virtual lock that he won’t be back after this season?
I think Leinart will want out if he's not chosen as the starter going into the regular season.
In fact, I think Leinart is the catalyst for the news that he is being shopped around the league. It’s not just writers blowing smoke anymore. It’s been confirmed by other teams.
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