Are You Concerned About The Arizona Cardinals After Their First Two Games?
Quick question for everyone at RotB.
I have seen a lot of people who are worried about how the Cardinals looked today in this brutal 41-7 loss to the Falcons, and some of them think this is a lost season now.
There are some things that are concerning. Brandon Keith has not been very good in the first two games, Larry Fitzgerald isn't 100% yet after his injury, Derek Anderson has struggled, but he is also under constant pressure for the opposing Defenses, and he has taken some brutal hits, we have seen Penalties at the worst possible time (such as the kickoff return for a Touchdown by LaRod Stephens-Howling that got called back by a holding penalty), and just too many mental errors.
I thought that the team would be further along by now, but even though this was a bad loss, most of what I have seen is correctable. We have also seen some good teams wind up with 0-2 records after the first two weeks (Dallas lost to Washington and Chicago, Minnesota lost to New Orleans and Miami), and the 49ers were crowned the Division Champs by the media and I think they are a very good team, but they were blown out by Seattle (who everyone said was in a rebuilding year before the season started), and they will probably lose to New Orleans tomorrow.
The Falcons are also a good team, and there is no shame in losing to them (the magnitude we lost to them is embarrassing though). Just look at today's Sunday Night game, the Colts beat the Giants 38-14 today, and I think they are both very good teams.
Now, I do think that we have a problem with fair weather fans in Arizona, (for all of the teams in this state) and some of them panic after one loss, only to jump back onto the bandwagon after a win. But is there legitimate reason for concern after this loss? I think that they can turn things around, there is still a lot of talent on this team, along with a very good coaching staff. The Cardinals also made it to the Super Bowl after a few consecutive losses that were worse than this one in 2008.
The way I look at things, this is just one game. Right now, I think the Cardinals can still win the division, they have a very weak schedule, and the errors they have are all correctable. But if the losses start to pile up, then I will be worried.
So, thoughts?
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Time to replace Whizenhunt, he should resign if our record is 8-8 or worse.
AZ Retiree I watched the first quarter and it seemed like the NFL refs sent a message to the Cardinals: This game will be won by the Falcons, in front of their home town fans. No matter what the Cardinals get started it will be stopped by our little yellow flags. The NFL wants to build the Pro Football business in Atlanta so the refs were given the assignment to make that happen.
I grant you, the Falcons played well and scored 41 points against a normally better than average defense. The number of penalties that were thrown against Arizona was a bit over the top. Whizenhunt finally gave up and put his Rookie QB in to experience an interception. I may be a conspiricy theorist, but you must admit it was barage of laundry thrown at the feet of Cardinals. In any play in the NFL you can find a penalty if you try, and these refs really tried. I hope it has the desired results and brings in more ATL fans and sells more gear, you guys need a boost. Most of all, I hope the Falcon players can use this W as a spring board into a play-off caliber team. As for the Cards, I wonder how long it will it be before Whizenhunt admits he made a mistake for betraying Matt Leinart and tossing him out the door without warning? (Never!) I have a feeling this made all the other players realize that that the same could happen to them. Their coach is willing to betray any player at any time. First Bolden, who is playing great with his new team, and the #1 draft pick Matt Leinart. If I were a Cardinal player it would be difficult to trust my head coach and the front office. I am sure my game intensity may suffer if there is a smidgen of doubt about my job security. I predict two more losses with Anderson at the wheel before he is permenantly replaced by the rookie Hall, who will begin his OJT. Pray for us in Arizona, for the coach knows not what he does. Sorry no playoffs this year for Arizona, and I hope Leinart gets a couple of opportunities to help the Texans win two or three games along the season. I have a feeling its time for Leinart to spread his wings and take off to become an elite QB in the NFL. He no longer has a vindictive coach holding him back. I believe it is time to replace Whizenhunt with a coach who can make his players feel valuable, wanted and that they have some job security. A professional NFL head coach. A guy who lets players fail or succeed on the field before cutting them. We do not need a narcicist who throws talent away due to personality issues. Bush league.
Did you guys actually read this?
Whenever I see a wall of text with no paragraphs, I instantly stop reading.
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
I stopped reading
when i saw the headline started “time to replace Whizenhunt”
Guy can’t even spell our coach’s name right..
by cardsfanforlife24 on Sep 20, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Funny he wanted to replace Whiz and Anderson when they won last sunday
Maybe got a touch of senility creepin in
Seems like a bit of an overreaction to me...
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Borderline delusional
Let me guess: You’re a USC alum or a friend/relative of Matt Leinart. In three seasons Whisenhunt has taken us to two division championships and a Superbowl — by far the best performance of any Cardinals coach in history — and you’re going to throw him under the bus in favor of one disappointing player who never did much of anything for us. I wasn’t thrilled with what happened with Leinart either, I thought he wasn’t given a fair shot, but I’m not going to go off the deep end and lose all perspective over it.
All th tards are coming out of the woodwork after a beatdown!
Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!
I was a Matt fan, but....
there seems to be a lot of info to suggest there were a lot of issues there. The biggest complaint I have with that whole situation is the timing of the release, but I’m sure there were additional factors that contributed (Hall’s pre-season success, Hall’s age – 24). That’s done so if we want success, we’re going to have to get it with Anderson and I want that.
At end of day, the players know its a business. If you’re going to talk about Boldin, then you need to say the same about Antonio Smith, Dansby, and Rolle. So, if we pay all those guys what they’re now making, how do we run the team with other needs? how does Wilson get paid? how does DD get paid? Its very easy to critique (and I’m just as guilty). This continues to be a work in progress and Whiz knows what he’s doing….
AZ retiree...
you are absolutely clueless
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
by Undrafteds on Sep 20, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm concerned, but still optimistic
There are a few what-if’s!
-What if Doucet played?
-What if Wells played?
-What if DA drank Red Bull before the match?
-What if Williams grew wings?
-What if DA were captain?
-What if Wilson was a wide receiver?
-What if Warner put on DA’s uniform and played for us?
-What if the chemistry between DA and the Field Judge were better?
-What if DA fumbles and drop kicks it for 3 points?
-What if this is a rebuilding season and we go 10-6 next year?
-What if Skelton started?
-And finally, what if Leinart didn’t injure Fitz which obviously made Whiz fire him?
As you can see, we totally could have won. It’s just the second game. In 4 more games, we can really despair.
by KholdStare88 on Sep 19, 2010 11:36 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
what if we had paid the refs more than the falcons?
just kidding…or am I?
by AlaskanCard on Sep 19, 2010 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Some of those calls were pathetic.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
btw
I’m concerned. We’ve looked bad in the past, but not two games in a row with one of them coming against the rams. When we had bad games in the past, I always knew Kurt would rebound us, but I don’t have that confidence in DA, yet. I feel like we can win the division because no one else is really lining up to take it thus far, but we have a lot of work to do. Let’s beat the Raiders and go from there.
Hey we got the 08 playoff win
and they get today. Ill take that trade off any day. The Falcons had more to prove today and it showed. We have Oakland next week if they blow us out 41 to 7 then its time to jump ship over to Houston they are collecting Arizona players as it is anyways.
Remember no matter where you go in life...there you are!
by McCards010 on Sep 19, 2010 11:54 PM MDT reply actions
And they are 2-0....
Again, Leinart is a good luck charm for them.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Notice they didn't give Rackers the shot at a 52 yard FG in overtime?
He did eventually win the game on a shorter one, 35 yards or so.
I noticed this too
I wonder how his groin healed? I am not sure who is better between him and Feeley?
Feely's stats in clutch situations are better.
Sando put out a comparison a while back. Rackers rep as a choke artist was earned. Feely had a slightly lower percentage overall but if you figure that he played his home games at the Meadowlands which had notoriously bad conditions for kicking that makes up some ground for him. He also played a lot of outdoor games in the north east, Buffalo and New England every year. That has to factor in as well. I don’t think he has as strong a leg as Rackers though. His kickoffs don’t seem to be as strong. Have yet to see how he does with on sides kicks and such.
I would not want to go for a 52 yard kick in Overtime.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Had to vote "we're in big trouble"
Mainly because of the QB situation. Enough about Leinart, that’s been discussed to death, but I always felt that Anderson was brought in to be a backup and was thrust into the starting job prematurely. He has more resembled the disaster-prone Anderson of the last two seasons than the one who had a single Pro Bowl (alternate) year, and I have grave concerns that he’s not capable of greater accuracy since it was never his strong point. Backing him up are two rookies who are not even close to being NFL-ready. Quite frankly, our QBs scare the hell out of me and they could be enough to sink the season. Of course I hope I’m wrong.
by Zapf on Sep 20, 2010 12:11 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This bugs me
Backing him up are two rookies who are not even close to being NFL-ready.
So how do we get a QB to be NFL-ready? Certainly it’s not by putting him out in mop-up duty at the tail end of a blowout. Put Hall in 4WR sets, give him options on multiple levels, and let him air it out. With Hightower hitting a stride and Beanie coming back, we should have a decent running game to back up a young QB, and the great set of receivers (#1 and #2 at least), he will have the security of “go get it” guys in case he is off-target. But sitting on the sidelines isn’t gonna prepare anyone for the prime time, and we all agree that Anderson isn’t the answer beyond this season.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
Sure, but easier said than done
My point was that we can’t expect either of the two rookie QBs to win games for us any time soon, and that Anderson may not even be the answer this season. Hence why there’s a very good chance we’re in big trouble this season.
I'll take D.A. over Hall or Skelton as the starting Qb because well... we're 1-1. The season isn't lost and I for one am not ready to concede that is and throw a rookie in at Qb.
I think most need to take a deep breathe and realize it’s only week 2 of the season. I have never been on the D.A.‘s a Pro Bowler side because I’ve watched him play literally 90% of his games. With that said I do support him as he is the Az Cards starter as much as it makes me cringe. I still will hold out hope for his improvement as the team improves as the season progresses. When our O-line keeps him upright for the majority of the game – game in game out – and he puts up numbers like yesterday then I’ll be calling for his head.
by az78true on Sep 20, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
uhhhhh, two words, Aaron Rodgers.
He didn’t start one game while Favre was in GB, yet is now an elite starting QB after riding pine for 4+seasons. Keep in mind that Hall and Skelton get time in practice against guys that are bigger, faster and stronger than they played against in college. Getting thrown into games as a starting QB your rookie season is suicide. Tom Brady backed up Drew Bledsoe, Romo backed up (who was it?), oh Drew Bledsoe, Rivers backed up Brees for two seasons and are now all quality starters (great starters in the Brady case). Time is a virtue, but so is patience. Let’s not lose the latter.
by Gildo on Sep 20, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bring back Leinart
Leinart may not make plays down the field, but he doesn’t beat himself.
There was a firefight!!!!
dude
get over it already, Leinart was cut b/c he is not very good. Anderson at least mixes in some pretty long balls with his not very goodness.
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
True
Anderson does mix in some very long incompletions with his other off target throws.
I was wondering, "Why is that Frisbee getting bigger" and then it hit me.
by manderson367 on Sep 20, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
cute, but wrong
D.A.’s best pass is the 50 yard completion. its the 6 yarders and the 3 yarders that give him trouble.
Leinart’s the opposite
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
A number of '09 playoff teams are struggling
We needed to at least get off to a 1-1 start, and we did. Accuracy problems can’t be cured in a couple of weeks. Offensive line play can’t come together that quickly, either. I just hope we hit our stride soon. If we don’t come together for a win this week, there will be trouble.
Why not start Hall?
Teams have made the playoiffs with rookie QB’s. In the past 3 season..Flaco/Ryan/Sanchez—all playoff teams with rookie starters.
Bradford is starting for the Rams this year…the rest of their team needs help but he’ll be ready when it improves. Stafford started for the Lions last year and showed he’s capable.
Kurt Warner played in the World League and the Arena league and a dozen tryouts—but he essentially started as a rookie in the NFL.
Hall played BIG TIME college ball. Why does everyone say..“he’s nowhere near ready”. BYU throws the ball as much as anyone. He’s seen all kinds of defenses.
I don’t think he can possibly be any worse than DA is.
The rest of our team is playoff ready.
note to az retiree—-I thought Leinart should have a chance to start the regular season. But what I think doesn’t compare to the knowledge of the coaching staff that sees the team everyday. Whiz is the best coach this team has ever had. I trust his decisions more than opinions of myself or the hundreds of other uninformed fans out there.
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 20, 2010 6:30 AM MDT reply actions
Hall's age and maturity
he’s 24 years old. 2 older then Skelton and he is actually the same age as Matt Ryan. DA deserves another week of practice with Fitz and co. I would also like to see what Wells can do to help set up the passing game. That said if by the 3rd quarter of the raiders game DA is still playing like he has been. then i would think of making a change
Why would you
start Hall with the O-line being as bad as it is right know. Do you really want him to take the pounding DA’s getting right know. As far as teams being successful with rookies, look at what they had around them. The three you mentioned had top notch defenses to keep them in the game and for the most part a stellar run game, that’s why these guys were successful, the coaches didn’t ask or expect very much from them. As things stand right know the Cards defense is not a top notch defense and as these first two games have proven, the offensive line is just plain bad right know which is evident by the number of hits DA has taken and the lack of a running game. If Hall is going to be the future, then let him sit, watch, and learn, his time will come.
Hall is more mobile I guess...
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
No lets throw our future in there and let him get pummeled
Maybe with any luck he’ll get a nice shoulder injury like Warner did or how bout a broken collar bone like Leinart. Or maybe we just let Anderson stay in there and the Oline will eventually get it together and play better. If I remember right the Cardinals played really sloppy at the beginning of last year too. But all the penalties and mistakes were fixed and the rest of the year didnt turn out too bad
This season in the context of the whole...
I’m a little concerned, but no way do you start hating, or jump off the bandwagon….
I think we all need to realize once Kurt retired, it changed the whole dynamic. I think Whiz and Graves had a transitional plan for when Kurt left(though they probably thought they had much more time). But Warner accelerated that plan, which is probably creating many of these bumps and head-scratching decisions (ie: cutting Leinart 10 days before the opener, keeping two rookie QBs). The organization continues to work towards and believes it can win and make the playoffs this year and in future years. I still think we can take the division and do this (and 9-7 or 8-8 may do it in this division). While the score doesn’t indicate this, I did see some improvement out there. That said, I do think while trying to do this, this is feeling like a bit of a re-load year with a lot of new guys. That’s going to result in some weeks being successful, while other days looking like yesterday. I think we have a lot of talent, but that talent needs to come together and play like its capable of doing…..That is probably most concerning to me – this team is not playing like it should…..and I won’t blame injuries because everyone has to deal with that and its just part of the game.
Its good to have different opinions to keep the discussion going……but always be a fan!!!
Im very concerned.. and I aint a bandwagon fan
It seems to me that teams are now going to follow the Rams modus operandi against us. Namely, blitz anderson and deliver shot after shot to him, as the Cards dont appear to have a strong running game and Anderson is incapable of delivering accurate passes in the face of pressure. This causes numerous three and outs which tires our talented defense until they buckle. At the moment I dont see how that is going to change.
Oh wait, I do. One of the shots is going to break Anderson’s ribs and we’ll see Max Hall. Probably best for all concerned.. including Anderson. No matter how bad he is, he is taking some brutal hits back there.
I think Bridges in place of Keith might help.
Keith just seems to get beat all the time. Last year in relief duty Bridges did a great job against Jared Allen in the Vikings game. I know he got TE help but nothing seems to help Keith at this point.
Putting Hall in prematurely might ruin him. Remember what happened to David Carr when the Texans started him and he got pummelled, he has never been the QB everyone thought he would be coming out of college and is no relagated to backing up Alex Smith.
by Birdman from Mesa on Sep 20, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Time for Whizenhunt to go
The point I was making is that as head coach he built the product we are watching on the field of play. He dismanntled a winning team and allowed tried and true talent to leave. He has weakened the team morale by the way he handles personnel. If I were a player I would not be in a comfort zone concerning job security, even if I were playing well. If Coach Whiz takes a dislike for you, you could be ejected at any time.
Yes, the Cardinals have had success under Whizenhunt, but I believe his tenure is up. He takes himself too seriously and the team has suffered from his “rebuilding” when many of his moves were unwarrented and damaging. I picked the Falcons to win by 37-10 but with the help of the refs it was worse than that. I believe this teams ego has been shattered by the head coach and if the Cards are going to succeed he must be replaced as soon as possible. Wheels turn very slowly in the NFL so expect him to stay on until he completely makes a mess of this season and maybe the first half of next season before the owners realize they have to make a change for the good of the franchise. If I am wrong, which I hope, I will apologize, but I doubt it.
My thoughts on this
Everone has opinions of other people and the jobs they do but this is one of the most unreasonable comments ever put up for others to read. And I mean both posts you made.
by don f on Sep 20, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
explain
how he has dismantled the team?
Warner retiring?
Dansby CHOSSING to sign with Miami? Not re-signing Rolle? How else has he dismantled this team?
Don’t know why I respond to you since you’re clearly delusional, but oh well.
come on Dean, spell
choosing, not chossing.
Allow me to elucidate
Although I don’t share the exact sentiments of AZ retiree, I think I am somewhere onboard the same ship as he is.
When Whisenhunt was hired he promised to bring a hard nosed style to Arizona football. We were going to run the ball and stop the run. Remember Pittsburgh Steelers West? It is now four years into Whisenhunt’s tenure and he has not developed a team that can run the ball or play defense. The Cardinals have never ran the ball or played defense in any of Whisenhunt’s years. The strength of the team was always the offense and I attribute more of that to Warner than I do Whisenhunt.
Whisenhunt is now 14-17 as Cardinals head coach against teams not in the NFC West and 14-5 against our pathetic division. Hardly impressive. He has also helped author a number of humiliating defeats where his players seemingly weren’t ready when the whistle blew on game day.
Nobody that Whisenhunt can claim credit for has blossomed into a leader on this team. Four years in and Breaston is still his best addition. The best players on this team – Wilson, Dockett, and Fitz – were here prior to Whisenhunt. Four years in and Whisenhunt still doesn’t have one of “his guys” as a leader on this team.
The QB fiasco is a joke. If Leinart wasn’t the guy he should have been gone a long time ago. Whisenhunt had three full years prior to this season to evaluate Leinart. How many years was he planning on having to make his decision? Even this past offseason, the Cardinals could have traded Leinart while he still had value and gotten something in return rather than just cutting him. Then maybe they could have been in a position to do better than Anderson for this year. I’m not impressed with us starting some crappy team’s garbage. Saying that Anderson was the Cards best option is a direct indictment of Whisenhunt and the rest of the front office. They actually mismanaged this so poorly that of the four guys coming into camp the one that got benched and cut by the Browns was the best option!? Ridiculous.
The last couple years the Cardinals could boast a line up with the likes of Warner, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Breaston, Wilson, Dockett, Rolle, and Dansby. I think that a lot of coaches could have done as well or better than 8, 9, and 10 wins with that group. I’m getting tired of hearing how Whisenhunt is one of the best coaches in the NFL and how he is above being questioned. That Super Bowl they went to was because of the play of Kurt Warner!
We’ll see how Whisenhunt fares by the end of next year in the what have you done for me lately league if I’m right in thinking that the Cards are in for a rough patch. The adulation he receives from the fanbase will dissipate quickly if the team struggles, it always does….
So while I may be on an unpopular ship of discontent with the Cardinals coach, I think my ship is taking on less water right now than the Cardinals are.
by Jim Coughenour on Sep 20, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not going to pick your statement apart as unlike AZRetiree, this is readable and not a diatribe.
Couple of things. I don’t understand why Leinart still needs to be spoken of. It’s over and done with; nothing can change that. If you really think that Leinart could do any better than Anderson with this offensive line, that’s not something I would agree with at all.
I’ve never once mentioned “In Whiz We Trust” or anything like that. However, while maybe other coaching staffs have contributed players, it’s been a very, very, very long time since the Cards were relevant or good. None of those other coaches got the Cards to the playoffs two years in a row much less a Super Bowl appearance. As such, I think he can be afforded a little bit of leeway.
But Russ Grimm and Bill Davis need to be fired.
name
one way the AZ offensive line has gotten better since his hire?
Seriously, how has he improved the line?
you do have a point
with his resume and past playing experience added to the off-season hype of the O-line I expected them to become somewhat dominant, let alone gel as a unit before the start of the season…
by cardsfanforlife24 on Sep 20, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
in what way
please demonstrate how this has happened. your opinion is not what i’m looking for.
stats if not then how do i quantify
From 2004 – 2006
1254 att. 4144 yds. 29 td 3.3 ypc
From 2007 – 2009
1107 att. 4112 yds. 39 td 3.7 ypc
From 2004 – 2006 sacks allowed: 119
From 2006 – 2009 sacks allowed: 78
by az78true on Sep 20, 2010 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
2004- ranked 32 out of 32 in ypc, 13th most sacks allowed
2005- ranked 32 out of 32 in ypc, 9th most sacks allowed
2006- ranked 32 out of 32 in ypc, 16th most sacks allowed
2007- ranked 30 out of 32 in ypc, 25th most sacks allowed
2008- ranked 31 out of 32 in ypc, 22nd most sacks allowed
2009- ranked 21 out of 32 in ypc, 26th most sacks allowed
The first take away is that we can’t run the ball. Is the improvement from last year due to coaching, or the addition of Beanie Wells to the team? But 2 of the 3 years Grimm has been here, we were a horrible running team and even last year, less than average, but admittedly, it’s close to average.
The second is that sacks got better. But it’s been noted many times, and in many places, that Kurt Warner was excellent with quick reads and getting rid of the quickly. So again, is that because of coaching or a player?
Well I knew this would come but anyway....
… In 2005 Kurt started 10 games and the team allowed 45 sacks. In 2006 Kurt started 7 games and the team allowed 35. In 2007 he started 11 games and the O-line (1st yr. under Grimm) allowed 24 sacks. If this doesn’t at least in part demonstrate that Grimm has improved our line then I am not sure it’s possible to do so. Stats and film are the only ways and both are subjective.
Well u have to admit
having warner did slow down the process of making a run/stop the run team. Id give him a couple of more years to build it, based on what he has done so far.
My frustration probably makes
my comments sound more anti-Whisenhunt than I intend them to be. I have just reached my threshold with the media and fanbase parroting the company line that Whisenhunt is infallible and his decisions and judgments shouldn’t be questioned.
I think Whisenhunt helps propagate this sentiment with the type of gamesmanship he employed during the Cardinals quarterback “competition” during training camp. I think he has a Belichick streak in him in the way he is smug, arrogant, and thinks he is smarter than everyone else.
I don’t think Whisenhunt is a horrible coach. I think he is probably average to above average. I think it remains to be seen what he is really made of because I attribute a lot of his early success to Kurt Warner. Lets see how he does this year and next year without Kurt.
You can’t rest on your laurels too long in the NFL. Shanahan couldn’t recreate the magic fir the Broncos after Elway left. Two Super Bowl rings didn’t buy him a lifetime pass in Denver. One Super Bowl loss will probably only buy Whiz a couple losing seasons here.
Ultimately, players win games. Any coach will tell you that. Whisenhunt seems to have less horses this year than he had in his first three seasons. Somebody better figure out how to fill the stable back up. Pronto.
by Jim Coughenour on Sep 20, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
you guys...
are unbelievable. Whisenhunt is CLEARLY the best head coach the Cardinals have ever had outside of Don Coryell. He is one of the top ten best coaches in the league (my opinion). He took a perennially losing franchise to 8-8, then to 9-7 and a Super Bowl berth, followed by 10-6 and got beat in the playoffs by the SB winners two years in a row.
I suppose you guys were hating pretty hard on ol Whiz after that Patriots game in the snow huh? what did you do when we reached the SB that year? complain that 9-7 was sorry from a sorry division? these comments are unreal to me, I just cannot relate
http://www.reverbnation.com/chrisfarmer
by Undrafteds on Sep 20, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incredibly short memories around here
The younger guys I can understand, if not defend. The so-called older fans who claim to have watched this franchise for decades, like you said, unbelievable.
by Long Beach on Sep 20, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, delusional
Don’t know why I’m wasting my time, but I’ll go through this step by step:
Whisenhunt: His record as our head coach speaks for itself. Took a shattered team to a respectable 8-8 record in his first season. 12 wins (including playoffs) and the Cardinals first-ever Super Bowl appearance in his second season. Repeat division championship and 11 wins (including playoffs) in his third season. Very few coaches in the NFL (past or present) can boast that level of success after 3 seasons, LET ALONE A COACH OF THE CARDINALS.
Boldin: Whiz didn’t run Boldin out of town, he was a malcontent long before Whiz ever got here.
Dansby: Whiz doesn’t make the team’s financial decisions and besides that, the Cardinals did everything they could to keep Dansby, including offering to make him the highest-paid linebacker in the league. He left anyway for even more money. Not Whisenhunt’s fault.
Rolle: See Dansby. Cards made Rolle a huge offer that would have made him one of the most highly-paid CBs in the league, but the Giants threw even more money at him. Again, not Whisenhunt’s fault.
Leinart: The only grey area as far as I’m concerned, but while you’re willing to throw a coach with Whisenhunt’s track record under the bus in favor of a disappointing player who never did much for us, the rest of us are not.
But there’s no real debating with you since you clearly have tunnel vision on this despite no one agreeing with you.
by Zapf on Sep 20, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, another wall of text.
lrn2grammer
A man from Dallas who bleeds red, not silver and blue.
have you ever heard the guys at 620 KTAR talk about Dansby
they never said anything when he was with the team
but apparently the guy thought his **** didnt stink and told the reporters that he thought he was the best LB in the league.
by fansincejakenrob on Sep 20, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Seriously??
How many of you really think we’d be worst of with Leinart at the helm?
Anderson is doing everything i’ve expected of him. He’s on a better team and still performing the same. He has no accuracy, he can’t throw on the run, he gunslings way too much. The complete opposite of Leinart.
by fansincejakenrob on Sep 20, 2010 10:50 AM MDT reply actions
I don't - I really thought Leinart should be the starter said it then and saying it now. The fact remains Leinart is gone and D.A. is here so I will support him 100%. Oh and that doesn't mean he gets a pass on criticism.
by az78true on Sep 20, 2010 11:04 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
my thoughts exactlyh
albeit myself i saw a question of leadership, and yeah whiz may have saw lack of leadership in OTAs, MiniCAMP, Preseason, but com’on.
shoulda let the guy have his go in the regular season. its not like respect cant be earned back. say matt when out there and threw for 300 the first game as did anderson. he would continue to get no respect.
I respect whiz and what hes done for the organization, but thats not to say the guy cant make a mistake.
HE MADE A HUGE ONE by trusting DA!!
by fansincejakenrob on Sep 20, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Some order please
Joe, Andrew, and the rest of the people in charge of this great page, where we real fans get to discuss with real fans, as opposed to other forums, please some order, this is looking more like… (won’t even mention names but you know those other forums)…
I know we all share the love for our Cardinals, and yesterday was just painfull, there are some issues with the team, and not only DA (he won’t ever be the next Kurt Warner), this offense need to run the ball effectively, the deffense needs to do a better job on third down, and I could go over some other things… but this is about some comments regarding Whisenhunt and Grimm (I don’t like Davis that much)…
How easy to forgett where we were, with Deny Green, our offensive line was terrible, we just couldn’t run the ball, are we a elite OL, of course not, but there has been improvement, this current line is a work in progress and let’s hope they improve as the season moves along.
About the Whiz, to call for his head, is an insult to me as a Cardinals fan, I won’t go to the specifics, I will just say I still remember the SB run, as one of the most enjoyable times of my life… the jury is still on him for going with DA, but still he has done what so many other coaches couldn’t… I won’t talk about players not with the team, I will just say, let’s give our coach more time, we have to play better of course, but we play in the NFC West, and have time to improve and fight for the division crown, hopefully the line will improve, with Beanie Wells, and as a team we keep finding ways to win games… GO CARDINALS… In Whiz I trust…
paco cabrera
by pacocab on Sep 20, 2010 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
So you are calling to the administrators of this site to eliminate any dissent by completely removing people and their opinions?
by YoungCardsFanatic on Sep 20, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really
But I don’t want this to be like the Sando blog or Azcentral, we are better than that here at ROTB, I just want more objetivity here, how can you deny Whisenhunt’s merits, I mean we can disagree for sure, but come on, we have been fans long enough to appreciate a good coach, I don’t want to remove any opinion, but please keep it real, just go back to Deny Green and tell me if you would rather have him coaching this team… GO CARDINALS
paco cabrera
by pacocab on Sep 21, 2010 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the past 3 years
I’ve watched DA and for those three years he’s always had a problem with accuracy and unfortunately that will probably never change. The thing about DA is he is the type of qb who has to have all aspects of his offense working, meaning the O-line doing their job, a solid run game and receivers who can and will catch the football. In 07 he had those three things and even with a 56% completion he still led the Browns to a 10 win season. In 08 and 09 he no longer had the run game, O-line support, or receivers who could hang on to the football and his game suffered. He is not the type of qb you can depend on to carry the offense when nothing else on the offense is working. He’ll try but….
DA is a gunslinger, pure and simple and asking him to change his throwing motion so the receivers don’t hurt their hands when catching the football is like asking a politician to start being honest, doesn’t work. It’s much easier for a receiver to learn how to catch a bullet than it is for a qb to completely change the way he throws the football.
Earlier someone mentioned that DA was on a better team and is still the same, that’s a true statement but right now the only thing better is his receivers, nothing more, until the O-line improves, this is what we’re going to get. When the O-line gets better the run game will get better, as the run game gets better the defenses are going to have to back off which will allow DA time to get the ball to his receivers.
All is not lost and things will get better… GO CARDINALS
So whose gonna watch the '9er's not try but shut down the Saints and Drew Brees? lol!
I think Sing is losing his mind along with the communication issues.
I have a gamethread up for it.
It won’t be up on the homepage until 4:45 though.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
I voted I think we are in big trouble because this is about what I expected was not an answer
I don’t think we will be fine and I don’t think I’m optimistic. Ever since Warner announced retirement I have beleived our season this year would rest on the shoulders of how well our QB performed. If he is average, we are average (8-8) if he is above average so are we. I think DA is playing average thus far and therefore about what I expected.
I been most disappointed in the O line through the preseason & the first two games. It will be a long season if they do not start at least slowing down the opposing pass rush.
The simple fact of the matter is WARNER WAS REALLY THAT GOOD!!! We will miss him all year.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Sep 20, 2010 5:38 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Pittsburg of the west!!
When Whiz got here everyone said we would be a running team like Pitt. But the strength of our team was at receiver (Fitz & Boldin). Whiz coached to those strengths and Warner was able to take advantage.
Now with a QB not as good—he has to adjust the game plans accordingly. If defenses blitz constantly—throw some screens—some slants—some draw plays to beat the blitz.
Our strength on defense is the on the DL. I think we might need to get away from the 3-4 to stop the run (or at least stop blitzing so much).
This year will be a test of Whiz’ coaching skills.
The roster is good. I fully expect to be competing to win the division. (when else can that have been said for the 3rd straight year). In past years I have said I would be happy to not been eliminated from contention by Halloween—let alone Thanksgiving.
Despite getting killed in Atlanta—the Cards should be favored to win at home against the Raiders. A good showing and all this doom and gloom will take a week off (until we face New Orleans after that).
GO CARDS!!!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 20, 2010 5:57 PM MDT reply actions
I was thinking that going back to a hybrid defense may be in order too.
We’ve got a slew of good defensive linemen. I’m not impressed at all with what I’ve seen from the linebackers with the exception of Daryl Washington. It may take 4 guys up front to stuff the run. But that still leaves the question of pressuring the QB. Do we depend on Campbell and Dockett for that? The OLBs haven’t shown themselves to be a threat.
I Love my team!
The reason I am hard on the head coach is because I am a big fan of the Cardinals, win or lose. I am emotionaly tied to this team and when I see a problem I will call it out. I did so with Denny Green when was pointing fingers away from himself. I will not give a head coach a pass if it looks to me that he has become a problem.
I have yet to see a head coach throw a pass or catch a pass or run the ball. The players are the ones who perform. The coach’s job is to prepare the team as a unit to defeat another NFL team. The Cardinals certainly did not look prepared for the Falcons. The score indicates that this was not much of a contest.
Arizona played as if this was a pick-up game and the players had no time to practice at all. Who’s fault is that? There are a handful of players throughout the years that you could point to as pivitol players and responsible for carrying teams on their shoulders. We had one, he has retired. It is up to the head coach to come up with a game plan for the players he has on hand and prepare that team to carry that plan out. It appears to me that he is not doing his job well.
The Cardinals looked befuddled in St. Louis against a rookie QB and worse this last Sunday against the Falcons. I am not delusional or senile but as most football fans, emotionally attached to my team. I am not sympathetic to a head coach that is allowing my team to look hapless on national TV. Delusional would be praising a coach for an under performing, ill prepared team.
Coach Whiz called the game embarassing. I agree, embarassing to the players, the fans and most of all to the coaching staff. If I were delusional I would be calling Whiz the best thing to ever happen to the Cardinals. I think the guy who retired and moved on to TV was the best thing to happen to the Cards. In fact, he was one of the best things to ever happen to the Rams even with their great History.
I am old but please do not call me delusional or senile for unintentionally bursting your bubble of hype about the coaching performance of Whiz. Every week he has an opportunity to win my accolaids. So far this season he has failed to do so. Could it be that having a Hall of Fame QB run your team make your coach look good?
Refresh my memory then, what did we accomplish before he arrived?
How many playoff wins? How many Super Bowl appearances? Winning seasons? Was Warner headed to the Hall-of-Fame before Whisenhunt resurrected his career?
by Long Beach on Sep 20, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's ok to have an opinion
But come on, keep it real, it was just a bad game, and it is a transition process, can’t deny Whisenhunt’s accomplishments, can’t pretend we were great before him, just remember the old sun devil stadium and how the team used to play back then…
paco cabrera
Was it Whiz or was it Kurt.
I hear so many giving couch Whiz all the props for the last two seasons. Was it him or just having a great QB in Warner. I think the jury is still out on Whiz.
We picked Warner up off the scrap heap in 2005
It was Whisenhunt who cleaned up his issues with ball security and returned him to his former glory from back in the greatest show on turf days. If Warner was the only reason for our success why didn’t Denny Green take us to a Super Bowl?
by Long Beach on Sep 20, 2010 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Thank you
Thanks Long Beach for saying what needed to be said. Both had a hand in it, but without Whis and his staff working out Warner’s issues we never would have made it. This is possibly the most assinine series of threads I have ever seen here on ROTB and it shocks me. Then again, I am seeing a lot of unfamiliar names, and I’m guessing these are people we will only see in the bad times.
Go Cards!
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
As stated in an earlier opinion I gave
the memories around here are way too short. Warner started out 0-3 in his first three games with us back in 2005. To hear some on here talk he just walked in out of nowhere and poof, Super Bowl appearance for Arizona.
Fortunately there are enough real fans here, like yourself, who make this site worth visiting even after a loss like we had against Atlanta. I’m sure the rest will go back to AZ Central or Niner Nation (or wherever the hell they’re coming from) after we blast the Raiders in our home opener.
I am concerned.
I am concerned with the play of the offensive line foremost. They can’t pass protect worth a damn. Keith and Brown are repeatedly getting burned. Anyone we put behind center is in for a beating.
I am concerned with all the injuries to our offensive talent. Fitz is on the mend but was not 100% for the Falcons game. Doucet is out for several weeks. Beanie Wells has yet to suit up.
We don’t even know what kind of run game we have. We got behind so quickly against Atlanta that we only ran 13 times. Will the line prove their worth in the run game? Will Beanie play vs the Raiders?
I am concerned that we have no pressure getting to the opposing quarterback.
I am concerned that we have aging outside linebackers with almost nothing for depth behind them.
I think the linebackers are the weak point of the defense. The lack of pass rush is killing the secondary. Can we stop the run consistantly? Don’t know yet. Didn’t do so against the Falcons that’s for sure.
I am concerned that Derek Anderson is our QB.
I am concerned that he’s backed up by rookies.
I am concerned that this situation even presented itself.
I don’t care that they cut Leinart but waiting until the 11th hour was a mistake. If there was doubt he should have been shipped off much, much earlier. We could have had McNabb. He was interested in playing here. Not that I think McNabb is all that and a bag of chips but he was hands down the best QB on the market.
I am concerned about our ability to play from behind.
I am concerned that after the Raiders game we face two opponents that can light up the scoreboard in no time flat. A 2-3 record going into the bye week does not portend good things.
If there was a mistake made it was showing faith in Leinart
Because as you noted by keeping him around for another preseason it limited who we were able to bring in. Having said that, there is way too much talk about the QB’s right now. There isn’t a QB in the league, not even Kurt Warner himself, who would have led us to a victory over Atlanta with the way our defense played. As Dockett said, they got a good old fashioned butt whooping. It happens. It happened to Indy’s “D” against Houston and I’d say they bounced back pretty well against the Giants. Home games tend to heal a lot.
I agree that there's too much QB talk.
We’ve got other issues to get straight. Too easy to attack the QB. If we can get these other things fixed then we’ve got a solid shot at the division. If not it won’t matter who the punching bag is.
There is a lot that has gone wrong
but look at San Fran. They get destroyed against Seattle, a team that still looks like a 6-win squad, then they turn around and nearly take one from the defending champs at home. Things can get squared away quickly in this league, especially on your home turf.
The only real concern I have right now
Is with the Defense. They made Bradford look solid, and got completely tore up by the Falcons. Any sort of D and pressure gets taken off the O.
by Roy Green was here on Sep 21, 2010 8:30 AM MDT reply actions
The Problem, as I see it
Its not remotely Coach Whisenhunt. He’s done a great job. Denny Green couldn’t win with the same talent, as we saw. I’ve been a ticket holder since 94 (Buddy Ryan era. Got a winner in town……yeah). I’ve had to move back east with the job, but I still try to get out for a game whenever I can.
The problem is the ownership. The Bidwill family has been notorious, for generations, for their skinflint ways. Why else do you think Boldin (not Bolden, AZ Retiree) didn’t get re-signed? Dansby chose to leave its true (my favorite too). Leinart was a waste of a pick. Should have taken Vince Young. Get rid of the Bidwills, and this team might actually have a shot at sustained success. Anderson is not the answer, but he’s head and shoulders above Leinart. If the Cards had been thinking, they’d have gone after a solid QB out there, like Pennington or Marc Bulger. I even think they should consider trying to land Michael Vick. That would energize this offense, for sure.
I think they’ll be ok this year, but playoffs might be a stretch. Lucky we’re in the NFC West. 6-10 might win the division title this year…….
Agree with your thoughts on Bill Bidwell, but not Michael
our turnaround began when he tooks the reigns over. I can’t pin not resigning Boldin on anything other than wise salary-cap management. Can’t have two $10 million dollar WR’s. Vince Young was picked #3 by Tennessee, we didn’t pick until #10. Plus, I don’t see where he’s done anything more significant than Leinart has. I think Dansby was leaving no matter what. I’m a fan of his as well, but everything I’ve read states that he became infatuated with the FA process after seeing Calvin Pace getting wined and dined by various teams. Anyways, his replacement has looked great so far, so it looks like that is working out well for everyone involved.
We’re only 2 games into the new season and we’re tied for first after opening up on the road. Let’s see how it plays out over the next 3-4 games (at least) before conceding to a 6-10 season.
team DEE
Anyone else notice how many team tackles we have had the first two games this year compared to a team that we are being accused of copying?
Cards/Rams 1 team tackle Steelers/Atlanta 29 team tackles
Cards/Atlanta 6 teamtackles Steelers/Tenn 17 team tackles
Is it our Defensive scheme? Is Bill Davis the right guy?
Coach WIZ hire an offensive coord, and start taking a harder look over Bill’s shoulder.

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