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Arizona Cardinals Survive Late Field Goal Attempt, Beat Oakland Raiders 24-23

GLENDALE AZ - SEPTEMBER 26:  Safety Kerry Rhodes #25 of the Arizona Cardinals celebrates after making a defensive stop against the Oakland Raiders during the second quarter of the NFL game at the University of Phoenix Stadium on September 26 2010 in Glendale Arizona.  (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

If you made it out of today's game without a heart attack occurring, consider yourself lucky. The Arizona Cardinals won their second game of the season by narrowly beating the Oakland Raiders today in their home opener. The game itself was filled with mistakes made by both teams. The Cardinals muffed two punts while Raiders' kicker Sebastian Janikowski missed three field goals -- including the game-winning attempt.

The Cardinals began the game with LaRod Stephens-Howling taking the opening kickoff to the house. It appeared that the 34-point beating the Cardinals received last week woke them up. That notion quickly vanished when Andre Roberts failed to fair catch two punts that led to turnovers. Derek Anderson added a third turnover by tossing a Favre-esk shovel pass to Tim Hightower that bounced into a Raiders arms. 

There was some good however. Anderson played his best game as a Cardinal -- throwing two touchdowns. That doesn't equate to a great game either, as his quarterback rating was a mere 69.7. Anderson was never on the same page as receiver Larry Fitzgerald, much as he hasn't been so far this season. 

Beanie Wells, who missed the first two games nursing a knee injury, provided a spark off the bench rushing for 75 yards on 14 carries. On defense, the Cardinals forced three sacks and one interception out of Raiders' quarterback Bruce Gradkowski. Staring at 4th and 1 in the second quarter, head coach Ken Whisenhunt took a gamble and rushed the ball up the middle for a first down. That drive eventually led to a Steve Breaston touchdown.

Although they won, the Cardinals also gave the Raiders every chance to win the game. The offense had two opportunities to drain the clock with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter, but orchestrated two horrible drives instead. A late pass interference call against Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie would have sealed the deal if it weren't for Janikowski's missed field goal. Penalties continued to set back the Cardinals as well. Adding insult to injury, the defense had trouble stopping both Gradkowski and running back Darren McFadden as well. The Raiders put together 364 yards of total offense. 

It's a shame the Cardinals couldn't win in convincing fashion today. Luckily, the win left them standing in first place in the NFC West. We'll talk more about the win later, but for now, what stands out most about the victory?

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Amazing...

We got a gift from someone tonight to win that game.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 6:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I think the real question

Is how long DA will last. I like DA, and I want him to succeed, but the thing is, if he can’t produce, then we cant keep him. The problem is, I don’t know who we’ll turn to. There’s no one I can think of that would be a good substitute.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see what Coach Whiz has to say. Until then, I’m just going to enjoy the win.

by Skii on Sep 26, 2010 6:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, as starter, hopefully he improves

I want to see Coach Whiz work with him more than ever.

by Skii on Sep 26, 2010 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

He will

Improve, does anyone in here remember when we were cursing Warner when he used to get the ball knocked out of his hand in the backfield?

by Cardsfan928 on Sep 26, 2010 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

easily fixed problem for Warner

Grip the ball with 2 hands and he had thumb injury issues to go with it. How do you teach a guy who has played in probably thousands of games since he was young not throw the ball into the ground in front of a wide open receiver? At this point it really should’ve taken care of itself.

by myotherrideisyourmom on Sep 27, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

NFC West Standings:

Cards: 2-1

Seahawks: 2-1

Rams: 1-2

49ers: 0-3

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 6:11 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 6:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I also think we need to get a punt returner

Andre Roberts isn’t showing up like we hoped he would. I think those two turnovers on the punts were partially his part for not getting to where he needed to be.

by Skii on Sep 26, 2010 6:16 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

except for putting Breaston back – if he gets hurt we’re really screwed right now.

Roberts has to catch those damn punts, at the very least he has to be screaming at his teammates to get away from the ball and let them know he won’t be receiving it. Couldn’t believe I saw that happen twice.

by Long Beach on Sep 26, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why can't LSH return punts?

I think I made this argument a few weeks back that PR and KR are totally different. Right now I just want him in there.

Life's too short. Be a fan. Orlando Magic, Arizona Cardinals,Tampa Bay Rays and of course "the U"! What a winning combo.

by hevchv on Sep 27, 2010 8:50 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not saying he can't

but you know as well as anyone that typically a WR is placed in that role since they’re used to looking in the air for the ball with someone bearing down on them. Regardless, I can’t imagine anyone doing a worse job right now than what Roberts is. Can’t believe how out of place he looks out there.

by Long Beach on Sep 27, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally Agree

Its the Punt Returner’s responsibility to take control and communicate to team mates. I really hope the kid gets it together, but right now that’s what he looks like – a lost kid……..

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

anyone know why they don't put Larod back there???

I know he’s small, but what’s the difference when he does kick returns???

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

PR is completely different from kickoff returns

Having said that, we need to do something different. More than willing to see if LSH can makek the adjustment.

by Long Beach on Sep 26, 2010 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Im new to football so what exactly is the difference?

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Sep 26, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

When catching/returning a punt you've got about a second to avoid the guided missle aimed in your direction

Kick-off return you’ll have a good 10-15 yards before the first contact arrives. Speed is obviously important for both, but concentration and elusiveness is absolutely vital on punt returns (as we noticed in our incredible awful punt return performance tonight, you just can’t let the ball land at this level).

by Long Beach on Sep 26, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

DRC is a problem

Lazy and avoids contact. What do his teammates think when they watch film. The cushion he gives is ridculous. Bad tackler.

by getnekkid on Sep 26, 2010 6:30 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm seeing this also

He played soft on one key play in STL. I saw it a few times against White last week in ATL, and then again today. I’m not sure what’s going on, but you can be sure other teams have seen and are starting to see this…..

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was he told to cover the receiver like that, or did he do it on purpose?

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure

…he’s playing off of the WR, but that’s likely by design (someone get Bill Davis on the phone!!!) While I think that he’s ‘had some issues’ in the first 3 games I believe them to be related to the scheme as much as anything. Sometimes if a player ‘appears’ lazy they’re just covering their responsibility in the defensive alignment. I noticed it several times in both the StL and ATL games. I didn’t see it ‘as much’ in the OAK game, but part of that may have been overzealous invovlement in the post-KC win celebration…hehehe

by SCCards on Sep 27, 2010 5:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Then they need to change the scheming becuase its not working

something’s definately wrong with their scheming – any QB is going to pick you apart if you give him the time…That was proven today with Gradkowski. At this point, I can’t tell the difference between Davis and Clancy….

by Cardzfan on Sep 27, 2010 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1,000,000

Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!

by boogatt66 on Sep 27, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is to the DRC comment!

He’s been horrible and only makes up for his god awefull technique and laziness with phenominal athletic ability.He reminds me of a young Deangelo Hall!

Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!

by boogatt66 on Sep 27, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

At this point in his career, he's a good speed cornerback

Shut-down should not (and is not, for the most part) be part of the conversation. He has the potential.

by tw3kr on Sep 27, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice to see Beanie play well in his first game back.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 6:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

He was awesome.

I like Hightower, but the ball needs to be in Beanie’s hands. Beanie plows forward. Hightower does the ‘scat-back’ thing and doesn’t hit the hole consistently.

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is probably the only game where we won and I wasn't happy at all about it

We deserved this loss, and a loss would force them to revamp their inconsistent, undisciplined play. I have a feeling that most people on the team (both players and coaching staff) are just glad they got away with a win and won’t work at improving their play and team at all, which will show next week against a pissed off San Diego.

by CanadianCard on Sep 26, 2010 7:07 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm with you..

I was pretty upset, as well, even though we won. Giving up the 4th and 10? Are you kidding me? I’m happy they won, I’ll take the win, but the way they played is why they got blown out last week….I wanted to see progress. Instead, I saw the Rams game again…..and you’re right we go to SD. Philip Rivers is not Gradkowski….

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Two stories to tell

We went to the game.
Before the kick-off, my buddy tells me, “I want to see Larod take it all the way to the house..” What a great start!!.
Lastly, when the Raiders call their last timeout at :04, I’m thinking ‘its over’ My wife looks at me and says, “he might miss it. There’s always hope” Who could’ve known……

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm fine with DD's play.

He’s getting doubled a lot. Some of it is the defensive scheming, also.
He got the key sack today, which help stalled one of the drives.

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Punt return vs. Kick off return

Hyphen is terrific in KO returns but it is not a guarantee that he can handle punt returns. IMO Punt returners are more the shuffling types and need a quick burst (low 40yd dash) and are mostly wide receivers or CBs or elusive running backs (like Reggie Bush). KO returners are usually running backs (LSH Sproles…) Of course there are excpetions (like Devin Hester)

by KingofTempe on Sep 26, 2010 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

that does make sense. I knew there had to be a reason……

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

LSH could have a big game against San Diego

Their special teams were gashed by the Chiefs and Seahawks.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I watched a Chargers postgame thing

and they paid special attention to LSH

Bring back the Baltimore Chop!

by dima1109 on Sep 27, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

I saw them give up a TD to McCluster in the opener, and they gave up a lot of big punt/kick returns to the Cheifs, and the Seahawks returned two kicks for TDs.

Might be a weakness the Cards can exploit, like the one the Steelers had last year when they gave up a ton of kick returns or punt returns for touchdowns.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

If anyone here hasn't heard Pasch and Wolf's call of the game

Go look it up. NFL.com should have it soon in their “fantasy highlights” section. Shame they don’t use the radio highlights anymore this season…

And I want to see an offense with more run plays until DA gets his timing down with Fitz.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 8:10 PM MDT reply actions  

We were pretty close to 50/50 the whole game

Ended exactly that. 26 passes, 26 rushes. Good to have Beanie back, huh?

by tw3kr on Sep 26, 2010 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I listened to the whole game on radio

I was driving back from Albuquerque. They almost caused me to wreck my car at least twice. I didn’t get to see them but according to Wolf a couple of those penelties were really bad calls.

by Birdman from Mesa on Sep 27, 2010 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Guys, it could be a long season.

We got lucky, DA looked bad, our line looked worse, and our D is inconsistent. I really hope they figure their shit out.

by Jesse Reynolds on Sep 26, 2010 8:25 PM MDT reply actions  

I can't disagree. But I'm still holding out hope that they will put it together.

I did see improvement with Beanie out there.
I liked the play action and roll-outs with DA. I thought that worked pretty well.
But the line still stinks.
And the D needs to shut the other team down when its 3rd and 8, 4th and 10…no excuse for that….

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Our defense sucks!

and it’s mostly Bill Davis’ fault. We blitz too often and at very predictable times.
That 4th and 10 play near the end—6 men rushed—they were blocked and ALL GAVE UP.
He had 3 seconds after the initial push to sit and wait for a receiver to go 15 yards and come back 3 for a 12 yard gain while the DB was watching at least 5 yards away.
If you blitz—you have continue driving to the QB to apply pressure and the DB’s have to play tight—the theory being that if the Qb doesn’t have time—the throws wont be as accurate.
Everyone does it to us—why can’t we do it to them?

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 26, 2010 8:45 PM MDT reply actions  

oh yeah--forgot to mention

our QB sucks too!!!

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 26, 2010 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

and we dumb

too many stupid penalty’s—too many stupid turnovers.

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 26, 2010 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

we're (spelling correction)

hate to call someone else dumb when I can’t even spell we’re

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 26, 2010 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I was hoping we would be better than last year’s squad, but I’m not seeing it. It would nice to see them make ‘stops’ when the game is on the line, and we need them….same as last year.

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

True...

It did seem like they took a couple plays off this game, but again we’re missing Hayes first and foremost…and we have what 3 new LB’s 2Db, 1 safety…it’s gonnna take a little time, but did you see the way Rhodes and Wilson can both fly into a backfield?

by Cardsfan928 on Sep 26, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

My son just pointed out to me

that the Cards have won twice. and both times I was in a worse mood than when they lost by 34 to Atlanta.

This is going to be a long year.

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Sep 26, 2010 8:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I heard a bunch of people did have heart attacks at the game...

Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!

by boogatt66 on Sep 27, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's exactly what I said to my girl when we saw the news break on ESPN! lol

It will do it to you, my college O-line Coach had a heart attack on the field at 33 years old when we were getting stomped by an Illinois team!

Who would win in a fight, Whisenhunt or a Hurricane?
Hold on, hold on, what if the Hurricanes name was Whisenhunt?
Daaaaaaaaaa Cards, Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards Da Cards!!!

by boogatt66 on Sep 27, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

A Frustrating Win

Our defense lacks discipline. Giving up big plays on crucial downs, especially on penalties. Toler’s DPI when he was face guarding in the endzone, A-Dub’s defensive holding (I didn’t even see it), and DRC’s late DPI (C’mon, that was a weak call) killed the defensive momentum. Knowing our team has a target on their back, we have to play smarter. It happened many times today, but the last drive when it was 4th and long and they pass to Heyward-Bey for the 1st down was tough to watch. Play up on your man like the game depends on it. Similarly, on a 3rd and 20 earlier in the game, we don’t get any pressure on the QB and B-Grad picked us apart. Why on Earth aren’t we blitzing on 3rd and long? The goal is to get to the QB before the receivers can get 10, 15, 20 yards up the field.

I realized something today… I hate Raider fans almost as much as Cowboy or 49er fans. Where is the Red Sea? Why must the fan base sell their tickets to opponents’ fans? If you are a Cardinal fan and watched the game from home (phx area home), ask yourself if you are really a fan? Our team needs you more than ever. Suit up in your favorite red gear and get down to the stadium. And if you sell your tickets to opponents’ fans, then shame on you!

The excuse that AZ is a transplant state doesn’t fly anymore. If you live here, embrace the team and become part of the Red Sea. We have banners hanging from the rafters that prove we are a team that can contend any given Sunday. It’s time to get the stadium rockin’! Rise up Red Sea!

by cardinalbrown on Sep 26, 2010 9:26 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

I went to the game. Most of that black in the stands was not ‘Cardinal black’ but silver and black….

I thought we were making progress, but I guess not. It was disappointing…

by Cardzfan on Sep 26, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

On everything, although…i wished they hadnt built that thing in Glendale…

by Cardsfan928 on Sep 26, 2010 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Overall impression

1. Our D is average at best. Play calling by DC is questionable.
2. Our OL continues to stink.
3. Derek Anderson seems to improved but NO TOUCH.
4. special team is a mixed bag. LSH is AWESOME. robert must go. He played too timid.
5. At least we came away with a WIN. Warner’s GOD must be smiling down on us.
6. welcome back BEANIE, you rock.
7. It will be a long season
see y’all at NO game.

by safford on Sep 26, 2010 10:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey you! Coach!

Yes, all of you Cardinal coaches suck! Special teams made the same mistake for kick-off turnovers, twice, by two different guys. How many times was the Cardinal defense penalized? Whiz, wake up, Warner has retired. We have a different guy playing QB. How about some new plays. This guy needs to be put in motion constantly or he will never adjust. Like I said, he is not Kurt, so don’t expect him to change. It is up to the head coach to change, according to the players he has. New game, same old plan except worse execution.

by AZ retiree on Sep 26, 2010 10:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh sup AZ.

So are you gonna tell us it takes only 3 points to win a football game?

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Sep 26, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would say...

3, but today proved we only need one point to win….It was probably the most exciting game of the week so far though

by Cardsfan928 on Sep 26, 2010 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was kind of an inside joke.

This guy came over to the SnakePit and essentially started trolling us by constantly preaching over and over that any decent team could win by 3 runs.

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Sep 27, 2010 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 41

by Jdub220 on Sep 28, 2010 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree

on the playcalling….grind grind grind…we need to start a grind it out 2010 campaign…

by Cardsfan928 on Sep 26, 2010 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think lacking a true offensive coordinator hurt us last year

It doesn’t seem to be helping us this year, either. Shocking, I know. As a matter of fact, I just looked over the Chiefs highlights from this week and realized we sorely miss Todd Haley. That doesn’t mean I’m jumping to the mutiny boat. I was happy we got to 50/50 for run/pass this week. We haven’t done anything to make us think we can’t run the football. We need to keep going to it.

Whis has admitted he doesn’t have a feel for this team yet, and we’ve all seen the results on the field. If he’s as good a coach as the rest of us think, he’ll get it figured out, and soon. A slow start is a slow start, but if we end the year with 8+ wins and another division title, we’re not going to be spending a lot of time looking back, hemming and hawing about how we pulled it off.

by tw3kr on Sep 26, 2010 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its nice to see Haley get off to a good start in KC.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

This win was a gift from Janikowski.

The Cardinals failed in all three aspects of the game. Special teams had two muffs. The defense repeatedly drew penalties on plays that would have killed Oakland’s drives. The offense couldn’t sustain drives. Third down efficiency was only 38%. Anderson is playing his way to the bench. 12 of 26 is deplorable. Pass interference calls kept our offense moving, not playmaking. Our average gain per pass play was 3.9 yards.

On the positive side our running backs are looking great. Stephens-Howling had the KR for a TD. Beanie averaged 5.4 yards per carry. The run game created 119 yards for an average of 4.6 yards per carry. Hightower was able to convert a critical 4th down on the ground. If the run game continues to improve we may see Max Hall sooner rather than later.

by hadrarius on Sep 26, 2010 10:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Like I said before

I want to see more runs than passes for each game until DA gets it together.

Pretty close to 50/50 today though.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly 50/50. 26 run plays. 26 pass plays.

I’d prefer to see more running too. With the way Anderson is throwing the ball I’d say more like 60-70% run plays. If he continues to play this poorly Whisenhunt will have to risk starting Max Hall. Beanie needs to get the ball 20+ times per game. LaRod should be getting some play time too.

by hadrarius on Sep 26, 2010 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some positives on defense too.

I don’t want to malign the defense. They did hold the Raiders from scoring repeatedly. In five trips to the red zone they only allowed one touchdown. They forced six field goal attempts of which Janikowski missed three. They just couldn’t close out the game because of their own penalties.

by hadrarius on Sep 26, 2010 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice work

There were some positives, and you found them. It’s a good thing we got this win. We’re definitely behind most of the rest of the NFL in terms of putting the pieces together at this point. That fact is going to make these next two games nigh-impossible, in my mind, but we may still be able to weather the schedule. You know how the division is supposed to come down to one or two games? San Fran definitely just dropped two that they were projected to win. I haven’t looked at the rest of their match-ups lately, but not only are they playing behind the rest of the division, they’re playing behind their own schedule. Even if they get their game together, by making two hypothetical W’s into L’s they’re looking at 6-10 instead of 8-8.

I can’t believe that we’ve found ourselves on either side of the ball at this point. There is still work to be done, but we’re where we need to be from a wins perspective (honestly quite a bit better off than anyone would have imagined — tied with Seattle? Really?) and that may easily turn out to be the most important thing if a competent Arizona team emerges from this mess anytime soon.

by tw3kr on Sep 26, 2010 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

They have Atlanta next week I believe

0-4 for the 49ers?

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Followed by Philly. SF 0-5 would be a treat.

Seattle plays in St. Louis next week. Then St Louis plays Detroit and Seattle has a bye. During our bye week Oakland visits SF, San Diego visits St. Louis and Seattle travels to Chicago. The division could look pretty strange come week seven.

by hadrarius on Sep 27, 2010 1:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

They had such high hopes

Now they fired their OC, and the entire team is imploding.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed on the PI calls

you can’t rely on that for your offense and we were lucky on a few drives that was the ‘big play’ of the drive….

by Cardzfan on Sep 27, 2010 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Found the video with the call from Pasch and Wolf.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81ade9ed/Janikowski-32-yd-missed-FG

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 26, 2010 10:56 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

That was pretty epic. I can only imagine the rest of Wolf’s commentary.

by tw3kr on Sep 26, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

He said "NO!" a lot.

The kind of no where you don’t know how something like that happened.

I always have the radio on when I watch the Cards on TV (besides primetime games since they usually have better commentators) so I knew a few seconds early what happened.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wolf is funny on those plays

you never know what’s going to come out….

by Cardzfan on Sep 27, 2010 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just a thought

DA did have a pro bowl appearance. Maybe he needs a year to undo the damage that the clowns did to his abilities, confidence and mental acquity.

I dont know but trust the Whiz

by steelerstyle on Sep 27, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think that was supposed to be the plan

DA came in as a bit of a reclamation project. All the issues he has — footwork, touch — cannot be fixed in a day. It sounds like they may be willing to keep him in long enough for us to start seeing the results.

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by AZTECA SUN GOD 602 on Sep 27, 2010 1:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Anderson

That dude scares me, what is Plummer up to nowadays?

by BenBrogan on Sep 27, 2010 1:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Hanging out somewhere in Idaho

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

red zone defense

What stood out for me the most was how our defense stepped it up when the Raiders got into the red zone. They only allowed one touchdown out of the Raiders’ five trips to the red zone. This game would not have even been close if our defenders would have picked up a couple more interceptions. We had one but there were several throws by Gradkowski that seemed very catchable and our defenders just couldn’t get a hold them.

by Jose Zavala on Sep 27, 2010 1:49 AM MDT reply actions  

I'd like to see more play-action and roll-outs

I thought this worked enough to where they should work it in more..
The run game (especially with Beanie back there) provides enough of a threat to where it could provide some positive yards…

by Cardzfan on Sep 27, 2010 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

More bootlegs.

Bring back the Baltimore Chop!

by dima1109 on Sep 27, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Haley

For all those who are on the Haley bandwagon for his success with the Chiefs you have a very short memory. Who was the clown who called a pass play with the Cardinals on the 1 yard line right before halftime in the BIGGEST GAME the SUPER BOWL? By the way we didn’t have anyone fast enough to catch the defensive lineman before he made the end zone. Both offensive and defensive co-ordinators on that super bowl team sucked. As you know the defensive co-ordinator blitzed 3 times in a row and not one of the three times worked got burned each time the final time cost us a victory in the super bowl. In my humble opinion we are much better that neither one is still with us, though the defensive co-ordinator we currently have is not a step up from what we had but a mirror image of the previous one. This guy doesn’t seem to have a defensive scheme at all and when you are without a clue as to what to do by all means blitz, cross your fingers and pray something good happens.

by rocketsfn on Sep 27, 2010 10:36 AM MDT reply actions  

You know, the perfect playcall to beat the defense Pitt showed us, the one that would have put us in the lead were it not for a superhuman effort by a linebacker who decided at the last second not to run his assignment (blitz)?

Yeah, let’s bring back those memories.

I’m actually on the Haley bandwagon for his success with the Cardinals. I am glad his Chiefs are starting to come around, but that’s irrelevant to the conversation. Whiz needs a well-rounded coach he can trust to handle the offense. Sorry, but you can’t argue that we’re not behind the rest of the league in terms of preparation and cohesiveness.

by tw3kr on Sep 27, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haley called the right play

Harrision just freelanced. He was supposed to blitz, but he recognized the play and dropped into coverage instead.

If he blitzes, Boldin is wide open for a Touchdown.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bring on the Clowns

Fire Whiz and the entire coaching staff! The Cards have a 2-1 record with the wins coming by way of default and the loss at the hands of a well coached NFL team. The time for coaching excuses is over. “Sloppy” is a compliment for this group. When your Special teams turn the ball over twice in your own Red Zone, by making the exact same mistake, I blame the coach. When the Offense gets beat by about a hundred yards, I blame the Coach. When the Defense is afraid to get beat, so they commit drive saving penalties, I blame the coach.
The Cardinal coaching staff has given lip service to cange without Warner but serve the same old stale dish. If this is the best they can do, then I say, step aside and let some professionals take over. Hell, let some good Pop Warner coaches take over, they could not do worse.

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Thoughts

QB Play – Awful. Not to keep beating the same drum, but Anderson isn’t cutting it. His passes to Fitz look like they weren’t in the same huddle together. Given what each has done on the field over the past 2-3 years, I’m going to lay the blame on Anderson. The only positive I saw here was the roll-outs, when he had wide open receivers. This wont get fixed or changed this year – so I’ll stop harping on it. I’d suggest, as others have, to move more to the run to minimize the impact Anderson has on the game.

OL Play – Improved over the first two games, but that doesn’t say much. Also, when breakdowns did happen, they seemed to happen at the worst times. We’re going to have address the OL in the next draft.

DL Play – Good at times. Better at the pass rush than run blocking. Pressure on Gradkowski was there, though a couple more sacks would have been nice. Unfortunately the pressure seemed to evaporate when we were blitzing – on plays where we really needed to be hurrying Gradkowski, he had all day. Not sure if this is poor play or poor blitz design or a combination of both.

Secondary Play – was generally ok with the safety play – liking what I’m seeing from Rhodes. Toler had a generally ok game – flashes of brilliance, combined with stupid mistakes. It’s his first year starting, and I hope we see improvement this year. DRC is overrated – he seems to have regressed in some areas. I really hope the coaching staff can get him turned around and back on the right path, since he definitely has the physical skills and has shown impressive play in the past. Adams is a flat out liability on defense – if he’s not getting burned, he’s drawing a flag. Not sure if they can hold a spot for him just for special teams, but they’ve got to keep him off the field on defense. This will have to addressed in the draft as well.

Special teams – were not so special this game. I guess it’s really just the punt returns that are suffering – but it’s becoming a huge problem. Neither Roberts nor Komar can be trusted with punt return duty apparently (though I’d be willing to Komar another shot before putting Roberts back out there). Curious as to how this didn’t show up in training camp. I’m wondering about the wisdom of the Jorrick Calvin-Charles Scott trade here. We ended up with nothing, and guess who is starting to get some punt return work in Philly? Early days yet, and Calvin was a health scratch the first two games, but he did make their roster.

Random Thoughts:

Player of the Game: Janikowski – ‘nuff said
Loved: LSH scoring on the opening kickoff
Hated: Watching the Raiders convert 4th & 10
Made me laugh: Mike Carey stripping the ball for us
Made me cry: DRC’s late pass interference flag
Made me cheer: Lenon intercepting Gradkowski
Made me scream: Anderson giving it right back to them

by Cryptopunk on Sep 27, 2010 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Adams replacement might be on the roster already.

Undrafted rookie AJ Jefferson made the roster. We also picked up Brandon McDonald and Trumaine McBride. Marshay Green made the practice squad. Not that I’m arguing against drafting a CB. I thought they should have taken one instead of Andre Roberts in the third round.

Agree that DRC is over rated. Too much hype. He’s talented but compared with Revis or Asomugha he’s just not even close. Rhodes is kicking serious ass.

by hadrarius on Sep 27, 2010 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Roberts...

Was surprised to see them grab a receiver that high. That the pick appears to have been a miss makes it hurt even more. Hoping that Roberts gets it together somehow to live up to his draft spot. With Doucet constantly injured figuring out who is going to be a consistent #3 may take some time.

by Cryptopunk on Sep 27, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

QB v/s Coach

Anderson is big and mobile with very poor accuracy and touch. Why is the coach putting him the situation of being a pocket passer? If he was put in motion for sweeps, handoffs or gadget plays makes much more sense.
The Jets are not afraid to use their “USC” Golden Boy as a running back to score touch downs. Is Anderson more Valuable than Sanchez?
Com’on Whiz, use Anderson to the Card’s advantage, not disadvantage! This is NFL football 2010. Time for the Coaching staff to catch up, the season has started and your teams looks like “Looney-Toons” out there.
Great job! NOT!!!!!!!!

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 11:13 AM MDT reply actions  

Probably because Anderson is a pocket passer?

He’s big and tough, he’s not mobile. Sanchez is smaller and quicker, with less of an arm. There is literally zero comparison between their styles of play. If Sanchez is scrambling, it’s because the coverage is good on his receivers, or because he’s a young QB with crappy vision. DA needs time in the pocket to be comfortable enough to find his receivers. You don’t take the slowest player on your offense and ‘use him as a running back.’

by tw3kr on Sep 27, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

We can be optimistic

What are the chances someone will hit a 54 yard FG? Let’s say 40%. That means in theory, the Raiders had a better chance to miss that one then make the final one (or not go for it, also assuming they would go for the endzone and don’t get it). So if they didn’t make that first one, they would have been in a much worse position near the end. So yes, there is luck involved, but it’s not incredible luck, but it averages out to just 40/60 or 50/50 luck.

All in all, we in theory won against a not so great team (no offense). That still doesn’t make us any better than Week 1.

by KholdStare88 on Sep 27, 2010 11:55 AM MDT reply actions  

On second thought---

I’ve changed my mind, Cardinal coaching is wonderful. We can win by expecting the opposing team to suck. We also can make the playoffs by hoping the other teams in our conference lose more games than we do. Outstanding team support guys. Just goes to show the high confidence we have in our well coached team.
I want Whiz to make sure Anderson is protected, keep him in the pocket like a statue surrounded by blockers. The Jets use Sanchez as a running back to score touchdowns, but Anderson is more valuable and must be protected at all cost.
Most true Cardinal fans do not live on Fantasy Island. They believe what they see. If I wanted to see Looney-Toons I’d change the channel. In this case, a real Cardinal fan would ask for a change of coaches. What is best for the team? It is not helpful to blame individual players for the poor product that the coaching staff puts on the field.

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 12:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Attack!

Don’t attack the commentator, attack the comment. Otherwise, you have no argument.

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are no bad players, only bad coaches!

Your team is bad and you should feel bad!

Oh, sorry. I have this habit of summarizing other people’s commentary, without actually adding anything of my own…

by tw3kr on Sep 27, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Check please!

I seriously believe the Arizona Cardinals should try to sign Coach Petersen of Boise State. He is the best example of a coach working with the talent he has on hand. He consistantly puts an entertaining product on the field and has a habit of winning.

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Apparently you haven't followed the recent history of college coaches in the NFL

Spurrier, Davis, Petrino, Saban, etc. No New Mexico State, Toledo, San Jose State or Louisiana Tech on the schedule here for him.

Habit of winning? You complain an awful lot about a coach who produced the results that Whisenhunt has for a franchise that specialized in 5-win seasons before his arrival. Get over your infatuation with Leinart, he lasted a lot longer here than he would have somwhere else. Your boy Peterson is running out on an entire conference.

by Long Beach on Sep 29, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do not feel bad about the Cardinals

The Arizona team has as many good athletes as any other team in the NFL. They are simply not well coached. With Warner out of the way and not changing plays at the line of scrimmage, Whiz and his boys are being exposed for what they are, inept.
The players are all professionals, the question is, are their coaches truely of professinal quality?

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 2:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Cardinal Coaching

Fire Whiz and the entire coaching staff! The Cards have a 2-1 record with the wins coming by way of default and the loss at the hands of a well coached NFL team. The time for coaching excuses is over. “Sloppy” is a compliment for this group. When your Special teams turn the ball over twice in your own Red Zone, by making the exact same mistake, I blame the coach. When the Offense gets beat by about a hundred yards, I blame the Coach. When the Defense is afraid to get beat, so they commit drive saving penalties, I blame the coach.
The Cardinal coaching staff has given lip service to cange without Warner but serve the same old stale dish. If this is the best they can do, then I say, step aside and let some professionals take over. Hell, let some good Pop Warner coaches take over, they could not do worse.

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 3:00 PM MDT reply actions  

My thoughts.

I heard my boss saying this was a good game, but I had to speak up and say it was an interesting game, maybe even an entertaining game, but it was in no way a good game.
Positives:
- The defense is showing potential. If they can stop the stupid penalties, they’ll be pretty good.
- The running game is showing potential. Wells played well and I expect a more run-heavy game next week.
- That’s it. Unless you count being lucky. (But I’d argue that 2 muffed punts balanced out at least two of the missed field goals in the karma dept.)
Negatives:
- Derek Anderson. Sounds like a broken record, but… He may be an emotional leader on the team, but if he can’t lead them down the field, he needs to lead from the sideline. Pre-season I predicted he’d perform closer to his Pro-Bowl season, but so far I’m not confident.
- More importantly, the line played poorly. At times it was like open season on Anderson. They need to get it together and protect the QB. I wondered if they believed in their QB (unlike Leinert, apparently), maybe they’d perform better. So far that’s not been the case.
-They need to take out Roberts and put somebody else in on punts. LSH? Justin Miller? Anybody that can communicate with the blockers or confidently get the fair catch. Twice in one game? Almost as unreal as Janikowski missing 3 field goals.
We’re lucky to be 2-1. But luck isn’t going to get us in the playoffs. They need to clean up their act and play like they are being paid to do so.

by psknapp on Sep 27, 2010 3:32 PM MDT reply actions  

My wish

If only the coaches had some influence on what goes on, on the field of play? Oh, I forgot that is their job discription. To make things happen on the field of play by training players to adhere to a game plan without causing penalties, great job guys.

by AZ retiree on Sep 27, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember that Raiders fan I know who I posted some quotes from.

He mad.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 27, 2010 4:00 PM MDT reply actions  

He just addted this one too:
“according to Doug Frans of the “Doug & Wolfe show” Az sports fans are the most Honest and loyal in the whole country. LOL. If they are soooo honest will they finally admit the cards got lucky on sunday or do they still believe the cards dominated the whole game? I have the proof they got lucky"

" Where do the other 31 teams consider their 2nd home? U of Phx stadium in Glendale. We all saw proof of that yesterday"

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 28, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Im calling

Your nursing home…

by Cardsfan928 on Sep 27, 2010 11:24 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

QB

Would Trent Green be worth bringing in? Is he a upgrade from DA? Could it hurt to take a look, cause it doesn’t appear that coach Whiz is interested in handing the team over to either rookie?

by rocketsfn on Sep 28, 2010 9:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Edwards, you mean?

I’m for it, either as a backup or alternative starter. Not everyone is, but at this point I don’t believe anyone would be a downgrade.

by tw3kr on Sep 28, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

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