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Some overall thoughts on the Leinart situation

Who could have seen this coming? Leading up to the Preseason, Coach Whiz was talking about how happy he was with Leinart's work ethic, his leadership abilities, his performance in the offseason, and how he has earned the right to be the starter. Adrian Wilson was talking about how Leinart has become a better leader and that the team believes in him. Leinart himself took the offensive line to Hawaii with his own money, and he was feeling pretty good about everything. And now he is probably hoping that when he wakes up this all turned out to be one horrible, horrible dream.

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This entire situation has been pretty odd to say the least. I was expecting to see Leinart at least get a couple of regular season games to see if he could be the guy, but surprisingly he was benched after two Preseason games after a decent performance against Houston, and one against Tennessee where he failed to get a first down (even though all of the blame isn't on him, the pass blocking was poor, and there were a couple of plays like one where Breaston ran his route a little bit short of the marker on 3rd down and wasn't able to cross it before he was tackled). Then Anderson came in and showed off his inconsistency, where he can make a good throw then miss an easy one on the next play, but he also showed off the Swagtangibles he has that the coaching staff and apparently the players love so much.

Following this, there were reports coming out that the locker room had no faith in Leinart, a ton of trade rumors, Leinart was angry and he felt like he outpreformed Anderson through the first 3 games, you can even look back at how ESPN's Monday Night Countdown crew was bashing him before the game even started, and Cris Carter possibly started all of drama after he said that Larry Fitzgerald didn't trust in Leinart's arm after a pass in the first Preseason game where he was hit by a defender that went in low after a catch and sprained his MCL.

The thing I'm curious about is why something wasn't done sooner. If the coaching staff had no faith in Matt like we are hearing now, why didn't they go for someone like McNabb, Campbell, or Bulger when they became available? Why wasn't it an open competition from the start either? Looking back at everything, the team was making it look like Leinart had the job unless was completely awful in the preseason, and that is what Leianrt probably thought too. He made it clear that he thought his job during Preseason and Training Camp was mostly to work on his timing with all of the receivers. From all of the reports I heard, Leinart was doing fine with that as well, before the Preseason almost every report from Training Camp I saw said that Leinart was the better Quarterback. Then in the Preseason, Leinart just looks okay, he seemed tentative at times and he wasn't throwing downfield, but he also hardly had any time at all to let the deep routes develop most of the time, and looking back at last night you can see how easily the Redskins were getting through our offensive line and getting pressure on Leinart. That has to be a factor in there somewhere. Not everything that went wrong was necessarily his fault, and you could say the same thing with Anderson. Looking back at the Houston game, both of his picks were on plays where the ball went through the receivers hands (although he did rifle them when he should have thrown a softer pass).

And now, it looks like either Leinart is going to be the backup for Anderson, or he will be gone. A weird turn of events after a very weird week. I also think that the entire situation was handled very poorly by the coaching staff, and Leinart. And right now I'm trying to think of what went wrong.

  • Leinart said that he thought the demotion was for reasons beyond the football field, and Anquan Boldin also said he wasn't surprised by what happened after watching the relationship Leinart and Coach Whiz had. Could it have been something personal with the two of them?
  • Did Matt lose his confidence? Looking back at his rookie year he was willing to take more risks than he did during the Preseason. Even during the Packers Preseason game last year where he had 3 Touchdowns and 350 yards in the second half. You didn't see anything like that this year, did he lose his confidence? Was he too worried about living up to what Kurt Warner did and not making a mistake? Maybe that pass to Fitz was part of it too.
  • Was his attitude part of it? Leinart is more laid back and calm, not a fiery guy like Anderson (who Leinart also described as hyperactvie). There is nothing wrong with being laid back and calm, that is basically how Joe Flacco is in Baltimore and it gave him the nickname "Joe Cool". Does Coach Whiz want someone who shows more emotion to lead the team?
  • Was Leinart even a good fit for the offense that Coach Whiz wants to run? This is the one that I think is the most likely. Matt is a West Coast Offense QB who fit pretty well with the offense that Denny Green wanted to run, and in his rookie year he played well enough on a bad team to show that he had the potential to become a Franchise Quarterback. Now, if Denny Green was still the coach, Leinart could be a pretty good Quarterback right now. Of course that means that we might never have discovered that Warner was still a great Quarterback, and the Cardinals might be a team that was more like the Texans who have put up good offensive numbers over the last couple of years but they have never quite gotten over that hump, but I think that he would have evolved into a pretty good Quarterback if he was the full time starter for the last couple of years. Not as good was Warner was from 2007 to 2009, but still a good Quarterback. And maybe he can wind up going to a team that runs the West Coast Offense, but maybe he just wasn't a good fit for this offense and Anderson was.

Of course these are all guesses. And like you all have heard from me, I still want Leinart to be the QB, but most of that stems from the fact that I want to see what he can do with a couple of games where they actually gameplan to his strengths, and it would be a shame to just let the former 1st round pick go without a chance to see what he can do this season. There is also the fact that I don't have much faith in Anderson returning to 2007 form after he was slightly outplayed by JaMarcus Russell last season.

When I compare the two of them, Leinart seems like the best chance to win.

I see Matt Leinart as a guy who is like Kyle Orton. Just an average arm, but it can also be an accurate one. And he can do a good job making decisions and not turning the ball over. And even though the two of them don't go deep a lot, they can still throw it deep when they have too. Both of them are capable of putting up big numbers as well, looking at Leinart's 400 yard game against the Vikings in his rookie year, and some of Ortons games last year such as an upset win over the Patriots also apply. But overall, they are both just game managers.

They also have a few pictures of themselves partying floating around on the Internet...

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Then I look at Derek Anderson, and I see a taller version of Rex Grossman. They are both maddeningly inconsistent Quarterbacks who could complete a beautiful deep pass or throw a pick into quadruple coverage any time they drop back to pass. Sometimes you just get nervous watching them, and you start thinking "don't get picked, don't get picked, don't get picked....". While Rex has the "Good Rex, Bad Rex" thing where he can be on fire one week and awful the next thing to him, along with some of the (NSFW Warning) best articles ever written on Kissing Suzy Kolber .com, Anderson is a guy who is more inconsistent in one game than anything else. And we have seen it in the Preseason, he made a perfect throw to Stephen Williams in the Titans game, and then right after that he missed Steve Breaston when he was wide open in the endzone, and he threw behind Williams on a play where he was open in the endzone. You just wonder if he can get his accuracy on throws like those two easy ones fixed up. Those are the kind of passes that Warner or Leinart would easily complete.

I'm also worried about is that we will see a bunch of games like this from Anderson.

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And I don't think I need to tell anyone here where that majestic 10.2 QB rating that Sexy Rexy put up in Week 6 was from...

The difference though is that the Bears had a top 5 defense when the Sex Cannon was doing his thing in 2006, but we don't know if the Defense will be able to make up for turnovers like that if Anderson is still prone to bad decisions like he was last year. And looking at the two of them overall, Leinart is a guy who is safer, but you won't get as many big plays out of him, then Anderson will have more big plays, but there will also be more Picks and bad decisions. The way I look at it, I would rather have a safe game manager than someone who is more of an inconsistent risk taker who can generate big plays.

Now, since it is looking like Anderson will be the QB I will support him even though I am not very optimistic about him returning to 2007 form, but he is the guy now. I wanted Leinart to be the QB, and he won't be unless he stays here and Anderson gets hurt of plays poorly giving Matt a chance to play. And if he leaves, best of luck to him wherever he goes. So, lets just wait and see what happens next.

At this time, I'd say the best thing to do is have Anderson as the starter, keep Leinart as the backup since he has experience and he knows the offense, then have Max Hall as the #3 QB, and try to get John Skelton on the Practice Squad.

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I've seen enough out of Leinart

I have been one of the biggest Leinart apologists out there really hoping and thinking this was going to be his year. I am absolutely shocked at what has happened and I never in a million years envisioned going into the season and Leinart possibly not even being on the team! However, after witnessing his performance in the preseason, along with his attitude after the benching, I believe Coach Whiz is making the right decision. Matt should have never gone to the media and whined and throw his coach under the bus questioning his motives for the move. That’s just not what a franchise QB does. I wish Matt well and I hope he does go somewhere else and succeed, but I really believe he wouldn’t have made it here even if Whiz gave him a chance in the reg season. I agree with your final assessment that he just wasn’t a good fit for this particular offense.

by shazzon1 on Sep 3, 2010 12:39 PM MDT reply actions  

the things I believe!

You took the words right out of my mouth, Matt gives the Cards the best shot at being a winning club. If it is confidence issue, that is something that be worked out through the corse of the season, as he gets more reps in game situations.
The other thing that has been killing me is all the mfers crawling out of the woodwork to kick and question Matt. Right from jump street, all the so called experts were pounding him, body languge? what the F is that. Do these clowns think they have any clue what is going through his head or what goes on in the huddle. I am a hard core Cards fan and will continue to be one, but this whole Wiz Leinart thing has left a bad taste in my mouth when it come to the coaching staff, the O line has been juggled and looks has been rough how is that Matt’s or Dereks fault. One last thing, DA is a career 52% passer, is that going to win games?

by jakenit16 on Sep 3, 2010 12:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Bottom line is he wasn't showing improvement on the field

To his credit, he was doing the right things in the off-season, and like many I thought he was ready to finally take a step forward and play like a first-round Heisman Trophy winner should.

Unfortunately, as we saw in the preseason he’s still the same guy he was when Warner beat him out. Don’t be fooled into thinking he lost his job on the basis of two preseason games, the coaching staff is obviously breaking down tape every night after practice, drilling and testing him on things they need to see improved, etc. In short, a lot that gets missed by the untrained eye.

He was under the tutelage of one of the best QB minds in the business in Whisenhunt, had a front row seat of a future H.O.F QB, and was worked with extensively by Chris Miller. None of it was changing who we’ve seen since 2006. There is an old quote being re-circulated a lot lately by Bill Parcells, but as it’s so applicable here it bears repeating. “When a player shows you who he really is, you better believe him.”

by Long Beach on Sep 3, 2010 1:03 PM MDT reply actions  

That quote could apply to DA too ya know ;-)

I’m not sure why he wasn’t showing improvement on the field. I think I said on here before (I know I said it on another blog) that the problems he has are probably more mental than physical right now. He was probably too worried about making mistakes and he wasn’t willing to go downfield as much as he has before because of it.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Always a possibility

and I’ll give you that about DA, but there is no doubt he is looking more and more like the QB we saw in 2007 as opposed to the last couple of years.

As we discussed before I still wonder why effect, physical or mental, Leinart collarbone injury had on him because he looks so damn cautious all the time. Can’t play football scared, especially at this level.

by Long Beach on Sep 3, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

It could, but before this preseason he was still throwing deep.

He took a couple of shots when he played last year, and the Packers Preseason game I already mentioned. I don’t really know what made him so cautious.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Old saying in sports that seems applicable to him

Thinking instead of reacting. I know he’s been coached up a lot recently but when the whistle blows you’ve got to let your natural reactions take over.

by Long Beach on Sep 3, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah he could be overthinking everything

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Things I believe

Matt’s chicks are way hotter than Orton’s. He showed some swagger then!

by Birdman from Mesa on Sep 3, 2010 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

im disappointed in leinart

I do think he needed some regular season games for us to really see what he was about. But that looks very bleak.

on the otherhand Anderson looked like a complete stud last night. And the slant route pass to becht or spach, whatever, was a perfect 15yd pass. It probably was going 60 to 70 mph lol but a good catching TE or WR would have made that happen.

As good as he looked last night this season should interesting. But it was against 2nd stringers

by fansincejakenrob on Sep 3, 2010 1:23 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

prediction

variations on
“And the slant route pass to becht or spach, whatever, was a perfect 15yd pass. It probably was going 60 to 70 mph lol but a good catching TE or WR would have made that happen.”

are going to be heard a lot around, those are the exact lines that were said over and over in Cleveland, until everyone suddenly went “wait a minute, do we really have 10% receivers who can’t catch a ball, or does the blame, maybe, lie somewhere else”

The WRs might have been in favor of DA, but I wonder how long that lasts after they ALL start getting swamped with a litany of
“that could have been caught”

interesting season coming up

by scsa69 on Sep 3, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like Matt thinks his best chance to be a starter again is if he stays here

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/22913103652

On OTL right now, just said Leinart isn’t pursuing a trade; sources say he believes his best chance to start again this yr is in Arizona

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 1:24 PM MDT reply actions  

Probably, since Hall is a rookie and Whiz might feel more comfortable with someone with more experience behind Anderson

And like I said, Leinart has started before, he knows the system, and he looked good last year against the Titans after hardly getting any reps during the week so they know he can come in cold if he has too.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I’d feel more confident if Leinart had to go in the game cold than I would with Hall. It depends on how well the meeting went and if they got their differences cleared up.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

All sound reasoning

the only question now, is Leinart that much better of an option as back-up over Hall that we risk losing Skelton?

by Long Beach on Sep 3, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

The word on Hall Is he has high football intelligence

The system he played in college is similar to what the Cards have, so makes sense that he’s had such a good camp and preseason. As he stated in his interview during the game (which was better that any interview Leinart has ever given) he already feels pretty comfortable and confidant playing here. Maybe uncle Dan has helped with his training over the years, ingraining some of those intangibles that Whiz likes so much

by Dem_Cardz on Sep 3, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seems like a really smart kid

It is obvious he went to a big time program

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Apparently, there won't be any major news on Leianrt during the presser

And Kent Somers just said on Twitter that is is possible for him to stay on the roster right now.

And here are some quotes from the cardinals message board on Leianrt not looking for a trade:

http://forums.azcardinals.com/showthread.php?t=51188

“Good for him I would do the same thing after being treated the way he was. Like him or not it’s hard to argue he wasn’t fed a line of BS all off-season.”

“Smart move if you ask me. His best chance to succeed is with the Cardinals, and keeping him only makes the Cardinals better IMO.

Dont give me this Hall or Skelton crap. I would love to see those 2 go against prepared first string defenses for 60 minutes."

“Is’s about time Matt took up for himself.Let them cut him.I would refuse to go to any team they tried to trade me to,unless it was where i really wanted to go.”

“ML is doing what is in his best interest and I don’t blame him. He is forcing the Cards to either go forward this year with him at back-up or release him and try to find a veteran back-up on the waiver wire.

I think it is in the Card’s best interest to keep ML as a back-up. Veteran back-ups that know your system are few and far between and ML’s salary this year is not that much out of line with what a good veteran back-up would cost anyway. It hurts nothing to keep him and if something happens to DA, he gets his chance.

Besides, I can’t think of any team that would want him in a trade for just this year and next year his salary balloons, so no team wants that. Just no advantages to any team to take ML at this stage of season. Maybe some time down the road when a starter gets hurt and is out for season and team needs another back-up, they may be interested, but not now."

“If Matt was smart, he would go to the FO and talk to them about fixing his contract. If that’s the holding point, then fix it, stay on the team, and work your butt off to prove you should be the QB here.

He has the talent, he just needs to do what Warner told him to. When you get kicked down, pick yourself back up and keep going for it.

That is if he wants it."

(I’d do that)

“There are exactly two veteran quarterbacks in the game who know the Cardinals system. Leinart and Anderson. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to get past worrying about everybody’s precious feelings and keep the best backup available – Leinart – if he can stuff his ego.”

“I disagree,that would just make Wiz mad.Matt is doing the right thing.If they can’t trade him,they will have to cut him.Then he will be free to either go to another team if he finds one who needs him,or wait untill next season when there will be more need.” (responding to the renegotiate contract post)

“So you’re saying Whisenhunt was straight with him all off season? And you’re saying he has absolutely no reason to distrust the organization? I don’t feel sorry for him in the sense he did not win the job that’s life. If your boss gave you a review and said you’re doing great and the promotion is yours and then fired you 8 weeks later I think you would be a little pissed off.”

“The handwriting is on the wall. Matt’s either gonna be the backup again or will be released/traded. Why is it so necessary for people to take cheap shots at him?”

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 2:55 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't have an account on there

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.

by JoeCB1991 on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

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